LDS Freedom Forum

thestock wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 2:22 pm

EmmaLee wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 2:17 pm

thestock wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 1:55 pm

EmmaLee wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 1:15 pm The pro-same-sex marriage members of my ward are not extremists at all. In fact, they are the 'mainstream' members and the leaders of our ward. Just a few examples - 1st counselor in the bishopric (and his very vocal, influential wife), Gospel Doctrine teacher, two of the seminary teachers, youth Sunday school teacher, Primary teacher - lots of influence there, especially with the youth/children - and those are just the more vocal SSM proponents that everybody knows about - I'm sure there are more. And we're in mostly conservative (except the LDS), middle America - fly-over country.

Unless they are promoting those ideas and advocating them to be made doctrinal during church meetings or councils, then who cares what they think, say, or do?
That is exactly what they are doing. If they were just talking about these things on their social media accounts, I wouldn't have even mentioned it. It IS in Church meetings that they are promoting SSM. The pro-SSM women in Relief Society promote these things frequently in there, as well as in Gospel Doctrine.

But trust me, I do get how annoying this is. It annoys me too. I've just become better at not giving a crap what other people think lol.
I need to follow your example in that.

I believe I have spoken at length about the clique of pro-gay marriage, anti-male women that ruled our Relief Society in the ward I just moved from (including the Kate Kelley disciple who I will not name that was specifically told to pipe down or be excommunicated....she chose to pipe-down....sort of). To their credit.....while their social circles and influence was greatly felt in the ward and online, they kept their mouths mostly shut during church meetings and council about those topics. If the people you are referring to have not, I would file an official complaint with your bishop and if he does nothing, I would move on up the chain of command!

EmmaLee wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 2:30 pm

thestock wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 2:22 pm

EmmaLee wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 2:17 pm

thestock wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 1:55 pm

Unless they are promoting those ideas and advocating them to be made doctrinal during church meetings or councils, then who cares what they think, say, or do?
That is exactly what they are doing. If they were just talking about these things on their social media accounts, I wouldn't have even mentioned it. It IS in Church meetings that they are promoting SSM. The pro-SSM women in Relief Society promote these things frequently in there, as well as in Gospel Doctrine.

But trust me, I do get how annoying this is. It annoys me too. I've just become better at not giving a crap what other people think lol.
I need to follow your example in that.

I believe I have spoken at length about the clique of pro-gay marriage, anti-male women that ruled our Relief Society in the ward I just moved from (including the Kate Kelley disciple who I will not name that was specifically told to pipe down or be excommunicated....she chose to pipe-down....sort of). To their credit.....while their social circles and influence was greatly felt in the ward and online, they kept their mouths mostly shut during church meetings and council about those topics. If the people you are referring to have not, I would file an official complaint with your bishop and if he does nothing, I would move on up the chain of command!

I'm not sure why you and others think I haven't already done that - or what you think might be done about it? The ward and stake leaders I have spoken to responded much like some here on this thread. To sum it up - they would rather die than approach these very outspoken, loud, aggressive members (most of whom are women, and one of whom is married to our bishopric 1st counselor - they are all WELL aware - they just don't care). I don't understand why some are surprised this is happening, and that the leaders either just don't care, or they are complicit in their beliefs, or they are too afraid to confront them. Anyway, I don't lay awake worried about any of this, lol - I just wanted to point out that it IS very mainstream, at least in my area. The Lord knows all though - it'll all work out.

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 8:52 am We won't be establishing Zion by embracing sin. There will be no practicing (having same-sex sex) homosexuals in Zion. There will be people who are daily repenting of any and all sin, including same-sex desires. Will a man who covets another man's wife be in Zion if he is not repentant, and if he believes he is not committing a sin?

I sat at the table with a gay friend many times. I cooked many meals for her, as she battled cancer. I was kind and loving, and the Lord approved. However, my friend did not embrace her same-sex attraction, she prayed for healing her entire life, and she served her fellow ward members as well as in the temple.

If I am expected to attend baby showers for two gay men who are adopting a child, or if I am expected to ask my Primary class member to tell the other children what it's like to have two moms, or two dads, count me out. That is embracing and condoning sin.

Homosexual sex acts are Satan's perversion of the God-given attribute of procreation. Dance with the devil if you dare. I won't.

EmmaLee wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 2:30 pm

thestock wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 2:22 pm

EmmaLee wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 2:17 pm

thestock wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 1:55 pm

Unless they are promoting those ideas and advocating them to be made doctrinal during church meetings or councils, then who cares what they think, say, or do?
That is exactly what they are doing. If they were just talking about these things on their social media accounts, I wouldn't have even mentioned it. It IS in Church meetings that they are promoting SSM. The pro-SSM women in Relief Society promote these things frequently in there, as well as in Gospel Doctrine.

But trust me, I do get how annoying this is. It annoys me too. I've just become better at not giving a crap what other people think lol.
I need to follow your example in that.

I believe I have spoken at length about the clique of pro-gay marriage, anti-male women that ruled our Relief Society in the ward I just moved from (including the Kate Kelley disciple who I will not name that was specifically told to pipe down or be excommunicated....she chose to pipe-down....sort of). To their credit.....while their social circles and influence was greatly felt in the ward and online, they kept their mouths mostly shut during church meetings and council about those topics. If the people you are referring to have not, I would file an official complaint with your bishop and if he does nothing, I would move on up the chain of command!

I'm not sure why you and others think I haven't already done that - or what you think might be done about it? The ward and stake leaders I have spoken to responded much like some here on this thread. To sum it up - they would rather die than approach these very outspoken, loud, aggressive members (most of whom are women, and one of whom is married to our bishopric 1st counselor - they are all WELL aware - they just don't care). I don't understand why some are surprised this is happening, and that the leaders either just don't care, or they are complicit in their beliefs, or they are too afraid to confront them. Anyway, I don't lay awake worried about any of this, lol - I just wanted to point out that it IS very mainstream, at least in my area. The Lord knows all though - it'll all work out.

EmmaLee wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 2:30 pm

thestock wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 2:22 pm

EmmaLee wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 2:17 pm

thestock wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 1:55 pm

Unless they are promoting those ideas and advocating them to be made doctrinal during church meetings or councils, then who cares what they think, say, or do?
That is exactly what they are doing. If they were just talking about these things on their social media accounts, I wouldn't have even mentioned it. It IS in Church meetings that they are promoting SSM. The pro-SSM women in Relief Society promote these things frequently in there, as well as in Gospel Doctrine.

But trust me, I do get how annoying this is. It annoys me too. I've just become better at not giving a crap what other people think lol.
I need to follow your example in that.

I believe I have spoken at length about the clique of pro-gay marriage, anti-male women that ruled our Relief Society in the ward I just moved from (including the Kate Kelley disciple who I will not name that was specifically told to pipe down or be excommunicated....she chose to pipe-down....sort of). To their credit.....while their social circles and influence was greatly felt in the ward and online, they kept their mouths mostly shut during church meetings and council about those topics. If the people you are referring to have not, I would file an official complaint with your bishop and if he does nothing, I would move on up the chain of command!

I'm not sure why you and others think I haven't already done that - or what you think might be done about it? The ward and stake leaders I have spoken to responded much like some here on this thread. To sum it up - they would rather die than approach these very outspoken, loud, aggressive members (most of whom are women, and one of whom is married to our bishopric 1st counselor - they are all WELL aware - they just don't care). I don't understand why some are surprised this is happening, and that the leaders either just don't care, or they are complicit in their beliefs, or they are too afraid to confront them. Anyway, I don't lay awake worried about any of this, lol - I just wanted to point out that it IS very mainstream, at least in my area. The Lord knows all though - it'll all work out.

gangbusters wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 1:07 pm

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 10:16 am

gangbusters wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 10:09 am

thestock wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 7:05 am I have never piped in before on this topic....but I see a lot of people on here are very much against A) homosexuals and B) the church becoming more accepting of them.

I could care less what two consenting adult men care to do with themselves. Same for two women. I was originally against gay marriage in all its forms....but over the last few years I have come to understand that the people get the Government they want, and if they want gay marriage, then they should be allowed to have it. The church has stood still that it believes marriage is between a man and a woman, as they should.

What more can you ask? You cannot be on the "anti gay" side of the equation in our society anymore and hold any credibility whatsoever with society. Oh, society is wicked you say? So what does it matter? Well, it matters. We must live IN the world, even if not OF the world. God did not intend for his kingdom to be a miniscule and insignificant gathering of extremely anti-social and xenophobic people living in the wilderness. He wants it to flourish and be the salt of the Earth. Today, that means you cannot be a racist and you cannot be a homophobe. Anyone who is, simply does not understand the gospel. Do you think Christ loves these gay brothers and sisters any less than he loves heterosexuals? Not a chance.

What I am advocating here is that you dont need to be ok with homosexuality....but what I advocate you DO is understand other people have their rights to be gay and even get married, even if those actions are in contrast with your beliefs. They have their agency, and your charge is to not judge them for it. Also, I exhort you to cut the Church some slack.....this is a difficult issue, they are trying their best to hold onto tradition and doctrine in a society and world that is ever moving further away from these things.

Its very much like the race issue. Back in the day it was probably unacceptable to many of our members that black men should ever get the Priesthood. Today, that type of thinking is totally wicked and unacceptable....society did itself and our church a favor by shedding light on the fact that people of all colors and backgrounds deserve the full blessings and opportunities of both society and the gospel.

My views are much in line with yours. I find homosexuality repugnant and an abomination, but people also have their agency. In order for God's judgments to be just, people have to be able to choose what they want. The 2nd great commandment also applies just as much with gays/murderers, etc, as it does to anyone.

Yes, people have their agency. No one here is advocating that we throw them off buildings. However, Tom is saying that we completely accept their depraved lifestyle choice, and if two gay men in your ward adopt a baby, THROW THEM A PARTY!!!

Insanity. Pro-LGBTQ LDS are loving the gays all the way to hell.

Matthew 18:6.
If we teach our children that their LGBTQ desires are righteous and God-given and God-approved, therefore leading them to hell, we will be dragged into hell along with them.
And yes, the pro-LGBTQ LDS allies are teaching the youth that there is no sin in the desires God has given them, and their gay marriages and families have a place in the Celestial Kingdom. This could soon be taught in your ward, and your stake.

I don't disagree. Loving someone and condoning/encouraging are different. If someone asked me, I would never tell them that conduct is right. I teach my kids (all 9 & under) that marriage is between a man and a woman no matter what the law says. Nevertheless, we don't withhold love from anyone. And yes I do agree that to many misguided people in the Church and out, love = acceptance. Not the case.

Egoof wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 2:56 pm

EmmaLee wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 2:30 pm

thestock wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 2:22 pm

EmmaLee wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 2:17 pm

I believe I have spoken at length about the clique of pro-gay marriage, anti-male women that ruled our Relief Society in the ward I just moved from (including the Kate Kelley disciple who I will not name that was specifically told to pipe down or be excommunicated....she chose to pipe-down....sort of). To their credit.....while their social circles and influence was greatly felt in the ward and online, they kept their mouths mostly shut during church meetings and council about those topics. If the people you are referring to have not, I would file an official complaint with your bishop and if he does nothing, I would move on up the chain of command!

I'm not sure why you and others think I haven't already done that - or what you think might be done about it? The ward and stake leaders I have spoken to responded much like some here on this thread. To sum it up - they would rather die than approach these very outspoken, loud, aggressive members (most of whom are women, and one of whom is married to our bishopric 1st counselor - they are all WELL aware - they just don't care). I don't understand why some are surprised this is happening, and that the leaders either just don't care, or they are complicit in their beliefs, or they are too afraid to confront them. Anyway, I don't lay awake worried about any of this, lol - I just wanted to point out that it IS very mainstream, at least in my area. The Lord knows all though - it'll all work out.

That's really surprising to me. I know much has been said about a pro-gay ward in Riverton but I live here in American Fork, UT and I haven't encountered this pro-gay attitude at all in church meetings. There is talk of loving them and so forth but no one in ANY of the wards I have been in for the last 10 years here in Utah have openly advocated during a church meeting that the church should embrace gay marriage.

I have an cousin who is gay and an Aunt who I believe to show support for him has pretty well kicked herself out of the church because of her support for gay marriage and that agenda. I believe that is what is happening MUCH more often is these people are seperating themselves from the church through inactivity or even asking for their names to be removed from the records. I don't believe for one second that the church will ever accept gay marriage or try and perform that in a temple (heaven forbid, literally) and I think WAY to much time is being spent by a lot of people either hoping for or against this topic. I do admit that I get angry when I think how far our society has fallen and the evil agendas that keep advancing farther and farther but my responsibility is to my wife and children and I will just keep teaching correct principles in the sphere of influence that I have.

thestock wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 7:05 am They have their agency, and your charge is to not judge them for it.

setyourselffree wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 2:55 pm

EmmaLee wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 2:30 pm

thestock wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 2:22 pm

EmmaLee wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 2:17 pm

I believe I have spoken at length about the clique of pro-gay marriage, anti-male women that ruled our Relief Society in the ward I just moved from (including the Kate Kelley disciple who I will not name that was specifically told to pipe down or be excommunicated....she chose to pipe-down....sort of). To their credit.....while their social circles and influence was greatly felt in the ward and online, they kept their mouths mostly shut during church meetings and council about those topics. If the people you are referring to have not, I would file an official complaint with your bishop and if he does nothing, I would move on up the chain of command!

I'm not sure why you and others think I haven't already done that - or what you think might be done about it? The ward and stake leaders I have spoken to responded much like some here on this thread. To sum it up - they would rather die than approach these very outspoken, loud, aggressive members (most of whom are women, and one of whom is married to our bishopric 1st counselor - they are all WELL aware - they just don't care). I don't understand why some are surprised this is happening, and that the leaders either just don't care, or they are complicit in their beliefs, or they are too afraid to confront them. Anyway, I don't lay awake worried about any of this, lol - I just wanted to point out that it IS very mainstream, at least in my area. The Lord knows all though - it'll all work out.

I have never been in a ward or stake where any member has advocated for Gay marriage.
So therefore, it's not happening anywhere? Not sure what you're point is. I'm glad you don't have this going on in your ward/stake (that you know of....). Just because you aren't aware of it happening in your area, doesn't mean it isn't happening in other areas.

That kind of talk needs to be reprimanded.
Agreed.

I have been in a Stake where a Bishop (who is a good friend of mine) came out as Gay. He has a lovely family and wife who he is committed to. His wife loves him and if they are faithful will have eternal life. He has come out and advocated for gay members of the church. He has written several articles about it. He has Gay thoughts. He was not the Bishop much longer after that. Once again he is a faithful covenant keeping member who also is gay.
Okay.... not sure what that has to do with anything I've said, but it's a good story.

drtanner wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 9:18 am They have not “lowered” anything, the consequences for this sin has not changed an ounce despite what you will try and make others think.

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 2:16 pm

setyourselffree wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 2:03 pm

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 11:58 am Thestock,

Do you have access to Facebook? Mormons Building Bridges has a public page, and browsing there will show you what's going on in the most prominent LDS LGBTQ group. Also, check out the Facebook page of Lets Love Better. Hundreds of stories of gay LDS, celebrating their gayness, their authenticity, their same-sex marriages.

Then there's Bryce Cook and his ALL group in Arizona, Richard Ostler with his Listen Learn and Love podcasts, Affirmation, Latter-Gay Saints podcasts, Mama Dragons, Papa Dragons, and more.

None of them have said they've been counseled to tone down their very public pro-LGBTQ rhetoric, and believe me, if they were counseled to do so, there would be hell to pay.
Susie Augenstein, a very vocal LGBTQ ally says that the Apostles know exactly who she is and what she is doing, and they can't touch her. She sent their ward's very pro-gay Sunday presentation to them, and they denied her permission to publish the video (taken in a church building) but said she could publish the printed versions of the talks. If you haven't read what went on in her ward in Riverton last year, you really don't understand how mainstream this in becoming in the Church. Maybe not in your ward, but definitely in many others. Did you know BYU has a gay club? Yep. Mainstream.

I'm not trying to be rude. You seem to be obsessed with gay people. If you spend this much time researching and looking at gay sites.

I have a good reason to care about this issue. Not a family member who is gay or anything like that, but revelation about the eventual downfall of the US, and what will happen in the Church.

However, it only takes a few minutes a day to check Mormons Building Bridges, and their posts of events, etc, from the other groups. I have not listened to any of the podcasts. A synopsis gives a good idea of the content without having to spend an hour or more listening to their blather.

I AM wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 8:50 am

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 5:24 pm

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 5:04 pm

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 4:47 pm Here is an opinion piece published in the Deseret News today. Because of who Tom is (brother of D. Todd), and the subject matter, I'm sure this had approval pretty far up the leadership ladder.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900 ... j_yOxnQy_M

Approval from guys like this:

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/ ... n?lang=eng

Lizzy you are so worried that the church is going to adopt gay marriage. Not going to happen.

Yes, it's going to happen. It will either be because they are losing more members by not accepting gay marriage than by holding the line, or it will be because the LDS church is perceived by almost the entire First World as another hateful Westboro Baptist Church.

The only way it won't happen is if that Julie Rowe Earthquake demolishes SLC beforehand

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someone else's thoughts that I copied
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"THREE AND A HALF YEARS
There will be a 3.5 year period of warning before God's judgment is poured out on the earth.
It is my current understanding that this period will begin with the closing of the LDS temples, probably due to government pressure to seal homosexuals there or risk substantial penalty.
The 3.5 year period will end, according to my current understanding, with the performance of a homosexual sealing in an LDS temple.

Until the LDS temples close, I strongly believe that any disasters the US may face, including financial distress that could exceed that sustained after the 2008 collapse, will be very very minimal compared to what comes after the end of the 3.5 year period, though taken in abstract any of the warnings may seem quite extreme to those directly involved."

end quote

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 2:16 pm I have a good reason to care about this issue. Not a family member who is gay or anything like that, but revelation about the eventual downfall of the US, and what will happen in the Church.

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 10:16 am However, Tom is saying that we completely accept their depraved lifestyle choice, and if two gay men in your ward adopt a baby, THROW THEM A PARTY!!!

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 11:58 am
Susie Augenstein, a very vocal LGBTQ ally says that the Apostles know exactly who she is and what she is doing, and they can't touch her. She sent their ward's very pro-gay Sunday presentation to them, and they denied her permission to publish the video (taken in a church building) but said she could publish the printed versions of the talks.

ori wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 3:46 pm

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 11:58 am
Susie Augenstein, a very vocal LGBTQ ally says that the Apostles know exactly who she is and what she is doing, and they can't touch her. She sent their ward's very pro-gay Sunday presentation to them, and they denied her permission to publish the video (taken in a church building) but said she could publish the printed versions of the talks.

What is this going on? I haven't heard about it.

Lord of my dogs wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 2:48 pm

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 8:52 am We won't be establishing Zion by embracing sin. There will be no practicing (having same-sex sex) homosexuals in Zion. There will be people who are daily repenting of any and all sin, including same-sex desires. Will a man who covets another man's wife be in Zion if he is not repentant, and if he believes he is not committing a sin?

I sat at the table with a gay friend many times. I cooked many meals for her, as she battled cancer. I was kind and loving, and the Lord approved. However, my friend did not embrace her same-sex attraction, she prayed for healing her entire life, and she served her fellow ward members as well as in the temple.

If I am expected to attend baby showers for two gay men who are adopting a child, or if I am expected to ask my Primary class member to tell the other children what it's like to have two moms, or two dads, count me out. That is embracing and condoning sin.

Homosexual sex acts are Satan's perversion of the God-given attribute of procreation. Dance with the devil if you dare. I won't.

People in Zion in that day will consist of a tithe of a tithe. More will come through the gathering and cleansing.

No sins of any sinners will abide that day without repentance.

Karakorum wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 4:05 pm

Lord of my dogs wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 2:48 pm

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 8:52 am We won't be establishing Zion by embracing sin. There will be no practicing (having same-sex sex) homosexuals in Zion. There will be people who are daily repenting of any and all sin, including same-sex desires. Will a man who covets another man's wife be in Zion if he is not repentant, and if he believes he is not committing a sin?

I sat at the table with a gay friend many times. I cooked many meals for her, as she battled cancer. I was kind and loving, and the Lord approved. However, my friend did not embrace her same-sex attraction, she prayed for healing her entire life, and she served her fellow ward members as well as in the temple.

If I am expected to attend baby showers for two gay men who are adopting a child, or if I am expected to ask my Primary class member to tell the other children what it's like to have two moms, or two dads, count me out. That is embracing and condoning sin.

Homosexual sex acts are Satan's perversion of the God-given attribute of procreation. Dance with the devil if you dare. I won't.

People in Zion in that day will consist of a tithe of a tithe. More will come through the gathering and cleansing.

No sins of any sinners will abide that day without repentance.

Agreed.

As can be seen in this thread the topic of homosexuality, gay marriage, etc will be (IMO) one of the greatest tools for sifting the membership of the church prior to the tribulations. The tribulations will further trim the membership of the church and greatly trim the population of the Earth. The second coming itself will settle the issue once and for all for those mortals still walking the Earth. People who deal with homosexual urges and temptations will need to seek to change via Christ's grace or there will be no place for them in Zion. This is the same reality all people who struggle with issues of morality are facing. Lust will have no place in Zion.

sunfly wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 3:31 pm Lizzy,
I agree this is probably one of the most difficult and defining issues of our time. I don’t believe the gospel will ever go where some of these groups want it to go. I feel like you do feel they will. I respect that, who knows what will happen, it’s interesting for sure. I suspect it will end up something in the middle.

I was though fascinated by what you said about revelation about judgements and downfall. I respect if you don’t want to expound upon that and share more, but if you do, I think most people would love to hear your thoughts.

thestock wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 2:04 pm They inflitrate the church as much as any sinner....and all sinners need the church.

setyourselffree wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 4:27 pm
Neither will laziness, idleness, lying, inappropriate speaking, looking at your cell phone to much, getting angry often, gossiping, evil speaking of the lords anointed, backbiting, not following directions well, the kind of stuff we are doing right now, and every other sin you can think of.

setyourselffree wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 4:28 pm In fact from reading comments on here I don't know of anyone who is prepared to go to Zion.

Thinker wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 5:01 pm There is definitely a strategic homosexual agenda - even layed out openly by themselves back in 1987. Note how many sick goals they’ve already accomplished...

“We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, in your movie theater bathrooms, in your army bunkhouses, in your truck stops, in your all male clubs, in your houses of Congress, wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us.

Women, you cry for freedom. You say you are no longer satisfied with men; they make you unhappy. We, connoisseurs of the masculine face, the masculine physique, shall take your men from you then. We will amuse them; we will instruct them; we will embrace them when they weep. Women, you say you wish to live with each other instead of with men. Then go and be with each other. We shall give your men pleasures they have never known because we are foremost men too, and only one man knows how to truly please another man; only one man can understand the depth and feeling, the mind and body of another man.

All laws banning homosexual activity will be revoked. Instead, legislation shall be passed which engenders love between men.

All homosexuals must stand together as brothers; we must be united artistically, philosophically, socially, politically and financially. We will triumph only when we present a common face to the vicious heterosexual enemy.

If you dare to cry sodomite, fairy, queer, at us, we will stab you in your cowardly hearts and defile your dead, puny bodies.

We shall write poems of the love between men; we shall stage plays in which man openly caresses man; we shall make films about the love between heroic men which will replace the cheap, superficial, sentimental, insipid, juvenile, heterosexual infatuations presently dominating your cinema screens. We shall sculpt statues of beautiful young men, of bold athletes which will be placed in your parks, your squares, your plazas. The museums of the world will be filled only with paintings of graceful, naked lads.

Our writers and artists will make love between men fashionable and de rigueur, and we will succeed because we are adept at setting styles. We will eliminate heterosexual liaisons through usage of the devices of wit and ridicule, devices which we are skilled in employing.

We will unmask the powerful homosexuals who masquerade as heterosexuals. You will be shocked and frightened when you find that your presidents and their sons, your industrialists, your senators,your mayors, your generals, your athletes, your film stars, your television personalities, your civic leaders, your priests are not the safe, familiar, bourgeois, heterosexual figures you assumed them to be. We are everywhere; we have infiltrated your ranks. Be careful when you speak of homosexuals because we are always among you; we may be sitting across the desk from you; we may be sleeping in the same bed with you.

There will be no compromises. We are not middle-class weaklings. Highly intelligent, we are the natural aristocrats of the human race, and steely-minded aristocrats never settle for less. Those who oppose us will be exiled.

We shall raise vast private armies, as Mishima did, to defeat you. We shall conquer the world because warriors inspired by and banded together by homosexual love and honor are invincible as were the ancient Greek soldiers.

The family unit-spawning ground of lies, betrayals, mediocrity, hypocrisy and violence--will be abolished. The family unit, which only dampens imagination and curbs free will, must be eliminated. Perfect boys will be conceived and grown in the genetic laboratory. They will be bonded together in communal setting, under the control and instruction of homosexual savants.

All churches who condemn us will be closed. Our only gods are handsome young men. We adhere to a cult of beauty, moral and esthetic. All that is ugly and vulgar and banal will be annihilated. Since we are alienated from middle-class heterosexual conventions, we are free to live our lives according to the dictates of the pure imagination. For us too much is not enough.

The exquisite society to emerge will be governed by an elite comprised of gay poets. One of the major requirements for a position of power in the new society of homoeroticism will be indulgence in the Greek passion. Any man contaminated with heterosexual lust will be automatically barred from a position of influence. All males who insist on remaining stupidly heterosexual will be tried in homosexual courts of justice and will become invisible men.

"We shall rewrite history, history filled and debased with your heterosexual lies and distortions. We shall portray the homosexuality of the great leaders and thinkers who have shaped the world. We will demonstrate that homosexuality and intelligence and imagination are inextricably linked, and that homosexuality is a requirement for true nobility, true beauty in a man.

"We shall be victorious because we are fueled with the ferocious bitterness of the oppressed who have been forced to play seemingly bit parts in your dumb, heterosexual shows throughout the ages. We too are capable of firing guns and manning the barricades of the ultimate revolution.

Tremble, hetero swine, when we appear before you without our masks.”
-Michael Swift - Boston Gay Community News - February 15-21, 1987
(From the Traditional Values Coalition Special Report, Vol. 18., No. 10)
http://blessedcause.org/protest/Gay%20Manifesto.htm