LDS Freedom Forum

Do any BoM warnings to the Gentiles refer to the LDS, meaning to members and esp leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

Or...

Are the mainstream LDS exempt from all the unflattering warnings and prophecies painstakingly preserved in the BoM for the readers of the book, who, happen to be the ones reading the book in the first place!?


"Gentiles" appears 108 times in the BoM, starting in 1 Nephi 10 and ending in Ether 12:39, which is actually the words of Moroni.

I challenge every reader of this post to read all 108 references and to prayerfully ask God if the reference was meant for you and the institutional Church (inclusive of the leaders).

This will take you many hours, but if you accept the challenge, it may very well lead to the most spiritual and enlightening experiences you've ever had in studying the scriptures. It could change your life and bring you to your knees in repentance, thus causing you to face God in your awful situation, pleading for help and deliverance, and then being swallowed up in the mercies of Christ, as He brings you into exquisite joy, just as exquisite was your pain at realizing your awful state.

Download the CITATION INDEX app. It's a GREAT app for searching terms and phrases in LDS scriptures and in GC talks. If somebody knows of a better search app, please advise.


Moroni says, "And this cometh unto you, O ye Gentiles, that ye may know the decrees of God --- that ye may repent, and not continue in your iniquities until the fulness of come, that ye may not bring down the fulness of the wrath of God upon you as the inhabitants of the land have hitherto done."

Take that quote above in Ether 2:11. Does this apply to Mormons, or is Moroni talking about all the non mainstream LDS Mormons?


Great question and scriptural study exercise for all who want to research the 108 appearances in the BoM.

Funny thing, this is a verboten topic and verboten study focus in the Church. NEVER will you find ANY encouragement or the hint whatsoever that the mainstream LDS "Gentile" Church is in need of repentance or of setting in order. That CANNOT be allowed in the manuals. You might ask, Why that would be?!

Do any BoM warnings to the Gentiles refer to the LDS?

Unquestionably Yes.

They refer to anyone to anyone who is not repentant in this land. We are not exempt.

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 11:23 am They refer to anyone to anyone who is not repentant in this land. We are not exempt.

Indeed. Yes sir.

Mind sharing the verses that apply to the mainstream Mormons then? Or are the mainstream Mormon leaders exempt from these warnings, meaning they need no repentance?

I figured you'd answer the way you did. And I'm glad to see it, but I encourage you to go all the way, and not just stop.

Christ wants to walk with you to Emmaus. He wants to share much with you /all of us. The walk can be unnerving and uncomfortable, but wouldn't it be worth it to hear all He has to say, and then to arrive, where He takes up His abode with you, and breaks bread, revealing Himself? What a reward for going all the way!

Let's see what the prophets you hold so dearly in the BoM have to say about the need for the Gentile Mormons to repent.

This could be a very interesting discussion!

Or will it turn to, "Your interpretation is off base. You are twisting the scriptures to conform to what you want them to say"?

Or can we let the Scriptures speak for themselves?

topcat wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 11:29 am

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 11:23 am They refer to anyone to anyone who is not repentant in this land. We are not exempt.

Indeed. Yes sir.

Mind sharing the verses that apply to the mainstream Mormons then? Or are the mainstream Mormon leaders exempt from these warnings, meaning they need no repentance?

I figured you'd answer the way you did. And I'm glad to see it, but I encourage you to go all the way, and not just stop.

Christ wants to walk with you to Emmaus. He wants to share much with you /all of us. The walk can be unnerving and uncomfortable, but wouldn't it be worth it to hear all He has to say, and then to arrive, where He takes up His abode with you, and breaks bread, revealing Himself? What a reward for going all the way!

Let's see what the prophets you hold so dearly in the BoM have to say about the need for the Gentile Mormons to repent.

This could be a very interesting discussion!

Or will it turn to, "Your interpretation is off base. You are twisting the scriptures to conform to what you want them to say"?

Or can we let the Scriptures speak for themselves?

I believe part of the reason Christ has called the leaders of the church he has is not because they are perfect but because they do consistently repent and are trying everyday to become like him. They also encourage us to do the same thing.

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 11:51 am

topcat wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 11:29 am

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 11:23 am They refer to anyone to anyone who is not repentant in this land. We are not exempt.

Indeed. Yes sir.

Mind sharing the verses that apply to the mainstream Mormons then? Or are the mainstream Mormon leaders exempt from these warnings, meaning they need no repentance?

I figured you'd answer the way you did. And I'm glad to see it, but I encourage you to go all the way, and not just stop.

Christ wants to walk with you to Emmaus. He wants to share much with you /all of us. The walk can be unnerving and uncomfortable, but wouldn't it be worth it to hear all He has to say, and then to arrive, where He takes up His abode with you, and breaks bread, revealing Himself? What a reward for going all the way!

Let's see what the prophets you hold so dearly in the BoM have to say about the need for the Gentile Mormons to repent.

This could be a very interesting discussion!

Or will it turn to, "Your interpretation is off base. You are twisting the scriptures to conform to what you want them to say"?

Or can we let the Scriptures speak for themselves?

I believe part of the reason Christ has called the leaders of the church he has is not because they are perfect but because they do consistently repent and are trying everyday to become like him. They also encourage us to do the same thing.

Would you be so kind as to share which of the 108 references to Gentiles refers to them (not necessarily ALL of them, but some of them would be nice)? Since you are very well versed in the Scriptures and esp the BoM, I believe you will be able to do this without much effort (that's a compliment).

topcat wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 11:58 am

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 11:51 am

topcat wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 11:29 am

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 11:23 am They refer to anyone to anyone who is not repentant in this land. We are not exempt.

Indeed. Yes sir.

Mind sharing the verses that apply to the mainstream Mormons then? Or are the mainstream Mormon leaders exempt from these warnings, meaning they need no repentance?

I figured you'd answer the way you did. And I'm glad to see it, but I encourage you to go all the way, and not just stop.

Christ wants to walk with you to Emmaus. He wants to share much with you /all of us. The walk can be unnerving and uncomfortable, but wouldn't it be worth it to hear all He has to say, and then to arrive, where He takes up His abode with you, and breaks bread, revealing Himself? What a reward for going all the way!

Let's see what the prophets you hold so dearly in the BoM have to say about the need for the Gentile Mormons to repent.

This could be a very interesting discussion!

Or will it turn to, "Your interpretation is off base. You are twisting the scriptures to conform to what you want them to say"?

Or can we let the Scriptures speak for themselves?

I believe part of the reason Christ has called the leaders of the church he has is not because they are perfect but because they do consistently repent and are trying everyday to become like him. They also encourage us to do the same thing.

Would you be so kind as to share which of the 108 references to Gentiles refers to them (not necessarily ALL of them, but some of them would be nice)? Since you are very well versed in the Scriptures and esp the BoM, I believe you will be able to do this without much effort (that's a compliment).

To them? Meaning which vs. refer to the leaders?

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 12:11 pm

topcat wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 11:58 am

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 11:51 am

topcat wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 11:29 am

Indeed. Yes sir.

Mind sharing the verses that apply to the mainstream Mormons then? Or are the mainstream Mormon leaders exempt from these warnings, meaning they need no repentance?

I figured you'd answer the way you did. And I'm glad to see it, but I encourage you to go all the way, and not just stop.

Christ wants to walk with you to Emmaus. He wants to share much with you /all of us. The walk can be unnerving and uncomfortable, but wouldn't it be worth it to hear all He has to say, and then to arrive, where He takes up His abode with you, and breaks bread, revealing Himself? What a reward for going all the way!

Let's see what the prophets you hold so dearly in the BoM have to say about the need for the Gentile Mormons to repent.

This could be a very interesting discussion!

Or will it turn to, "Your interpretation is off base. You are twisting the scriptures to conform to what you want them to say"?

Or can we let the Scriptures speak for themselves?

I believe part of the reason Christ has called the leaders of the church he has is not because they are perfect but because they do consistently repent and are trying everyday to become like him. They also encourage us to do the same thing.

Would you be so kind as to share which of the 108 references to Gentiles refers to them (not necessarily ALL of them, but some of them would be nice)? Since you are very well versed in the Scriptures and esp the BoM, I believe you will be able to do this without much effort (that's a compliment).

To them? Meaning which vs. refer to the leaders?

Yes please. Which verses apply to the Gentile Mormon leaders, or it could be worded this way: which of the warnings to the Gentiles do not exclude the modern Mormon Gentile leaders?

In fact, do you exclude the modern Mormon Gentile leaders from any of the warnings?Which verses are they exempt from?

When it comes to comparisons, I like to focus on the events in 3 Nephi. I think there are a lot of parallels from that time and today:


3 Nephi 6:

10 But it came to pass in the twenty and ninth year there began to be some disputings among the people; and some were lifted up unto pride and boastings because of their exceedingly great riches, yea, even unto great persecutions;

11 For there were many merchants in the land, and also many lawyers, and many officers.

12 And the people began to be distinguished by ranks, according to their riches and their chances for learning; yea, some were ignorant because of their poverty, and others did receive great learning because of their riches.

13 Some were lifted up in pride, and others were exceedingly humble; some did return railing for railing, while others would receive railing and persecution and all manner of afflictions, and would not turn and revile again, but were humble and penitent before God.

14 And thus there became a great inequality in all the land, insomuch that the church began to be broken up; yea, insomuch that in the thirtieth year the church was broken up in all the land save it were among a few of the Lamanites who were converted unto the true faith; and they would not depart from it, for they were firm, and steadfast, and immovable, willing with all diligence to keep the commandments of the Lord.

15 Now the cause of this iniquity of the people was this—Satan had great power, unto the stirring up of the people to do all manner of iniquity, and to the puffing them up with pride, tempting them to seek for power, and authority, and riches, and the vain things of the world.

16 And thus Satan did lead away the hearts of the people to do all manner of iniquity; therefore they had enjoyed peace but a few years.

17 And thus, in the commencement of the thirtieth year—the people having been delivered up for the space of a long time to be carried about by the temptations of the devil whithersoever he desired to carry them, and to do whatsoever iniquity he desired they should—and thus in the commencement of this, the thirtieth year, they were in a state of awful wickedness.

18 Now they did not sin ignorantly, for they knew the will of God concerning them, for it had been taught unto them; therefore they did wilfully rebel against God.

If LDS are spiritually grafted into the house of Israel, then the only way the those versus would apply to them is if they were spiritually ungrafted somehow. I guess that would happen through excommunication. Other wise no LDS are not gentiles.

topcat wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 11:14 am Do any BoM warnings to the Gentiles refer to the LDS, meaning to members and esp leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

Or...

Are the mainstream LDS exempt from all the unflattering warnings and prophecies painstakingly preserved in the BoM for the readers of the book, who, happen to be the ones reading the book in the first place!?


"Gentiles" appears 108 times in the BoM, starting in 1 Nephi 10 and ending in Ether 12:39, which is actually the words of Moroni.

I challenge every reader of this post to read all 108 references and to prayerfully ask God if the reference was meant for you and the institutional Church (inclusive of the leaders).

This will take you many hours, but if you accept the challenge, it may very well lead to the most spiritual and enlightening experiences you've ever had in studying the scriptures. It could change your life and bring you to your knees in repentance, thus causing you to face God in your awful situation, pleading for help and deliverance, and then being swallowed up in the mercies of Christ, as He brings you into exquisite joy, just as exquisite was your pain at realizing your awful state.

Download the CITATION INDEX app. It's a GREAT app for searching terms and phrases in LDS scriptures and in GC talks. If somebody knows of a better search app, please advise.


Moroni says, "And this cometh unto you, O ye Gentiles, that ye may know the decrees of God --- that ye may repent, and not continue in your iniquities until the fulness of come, that ye may not bring down the fulness of the wrath of God upon you as the inhabitants of the land have hitherto done."

Take that quote above in Ether 2:11. Does this apply to Mormons, or is Moroni talking about all the non mainstream LDS Mormons?


Great question and scriptural study exercise for all who want to research the 108 appearances in the BoM.

Funny thing, this is a verboten topic and verboten study focus in the Church. NEVER will you find ANY encouragement or the hint whatsoever that the mainstream LDS "Gentile" Church is in need of repentance or of setting in order. That CANNOT be allowed in the manuals. You might ask, Why that would be?!

No, Ether 2:11 does not speak exclusively to the LDS. The previous verses speak of those who serve Christ escaping this judgment. Members of the church serve Christ and thus, no, the gentiles spoken of here do not mean members of our church or even the leadership.

topcat wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 12:16 pm

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 12:11 pm

topcat wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 11:58 am

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 11:51 am

I believe part of the reason Christ has called the leaders of the church he has is not because they are perfect but because they do consistently repent and are trying everyday to become like him. They also encourage us to do the same thing.

Would you be so kind as to share which of the 108 references to Gentiles refers to them (not necessarily ALL of them, but some of them would be nice)? Since you are very well versed in the Scriptures and esp the BoM, I believe you will be able to do this without much effort (that's a compliment).

To them? Meaning which vs. refer to the leaders?

Yes please. Which verses apply to the Gentile Mormon leaders, or it could be worded this way: which of the warnings to the Gentiles do not exclude the modern Mormon Gentile leaders?

In fact, do you exclude the modern Mormon Gentile leaders from any of the warnings?Which verses are they exempt from?

When has a leader ever been exempt from any warning in scripture? I know what your trying to get at and your asking the wrong question.

The warnings are specifically meant for those that would read the book and believe it as scripture.

topcat wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 11:14 am Do any BoM warnings to the Gentiles refer to the LDS, meaning to members and esp leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

In general... no.

Mindfields wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 1:02 pm The warnings are specifically meant for those that would read the book and believe it as scripture.

That does seem to make sense, because why would God bother to give the warnings if the people that needed to be warned would never read the book?

It follows that those reading the book would be the ones God was trying to communicate and get his message of repentance to.

Only one Gentile people calls themselves Zion in the last days (2 Nephi 28:24-32)
Only one Gentile people received the fullness in the last days - which could be lost (3 Nephi 16:10-11)
Only one Gentile people receives the covenant "salt" in the last days - which could lose its savor (3 Nephi 16:13-15)
Only one Gentile people is being denied the sealed book of the Brother of Jared - for lack of repentance (Ether 4)
Only one Gentile people has tried to justify itself in taking multiple wives (Jacob 1:12-15, Mosiah 11:1-4, Ether 10:2-6)
Only one Gentile people can be considered the "holy church of God" - which then pollutes it (Mormon 8:38)
Only one Gentile people have denied the gifts that were promised so fully (Mormon 9:15-26, Moroni 7:27-39)
Only one Gentile people was spoken to by Moroni "as though I spake from the dead" (Mormon 8:35, 9:30)

Yeah, the BoM warnings, cursings, and wo's are for the LDS.... Unfortunately, we like to think the blessings are all that apply to us, while mostly ignoring the conditions upon which those blessings were predicated.

Here’s an alternate view for those considering.

By definition, Gentile is used as “a person who is not a member of one’s own religion”, and even “non-Mormon”. So, I don’t see any yet that fit gentile as being us “Mormons”.

Can you give at least ten verses that undoubtedly point to your definition (that Gentiles are us members of the church)?

I think we can at least see that most, if not all, prophecies in the Book of Mormon are yet to be fulfilled. And it especially means that the church is not in apostasy.

Jonesy wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 7:53 pm Here’s an alternate view for those considering.

By definition, Gentile is used as “a person who is not a member of one’s own religion”, and even “non-Mormon”. So, I don’t see any yet that fit gentile as being us “Mormons”.

Can you give at least ten verses that undoubtedly point to your definition (that Gentiles are us members of the church)?

I think we can at least see that most, if not all, prophecies in the Book of Mormon are yet to be fulfilled. And it especially means that the church is not in apostasy.

Yeah it is called the title page of the Book of Mormon.
Wherefore, it is an abridgment of the record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites—Written to the Lamanites, who are a remnant of the house of Israel; and also to Jew and Gentile—Written by way of commandment, and also by the spirit of prophecy and of revelation—Written and sealed up, and hid up unto the Lord, that they might not be destroyed—To come forth by the gift and power of God unto the interpretation thereof—Sealed by the hand of Moroni, and hid up unto the Lord, to come forth in due time by way of the Gentile—The interpretation thereof by the gift of God.

An abridgment taken from the Book of Ether also, which is a record of the people of Jared, who were scattered at the time the Lord confounded the language of the people, when they were building a tower to get to heaven—Which is to show unto the remnant of the house of Israel what great things the Lord hath done for their fathers; and that they may know the covenants of the Lord, that they are not cast off forever—And also to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God, manifesting himself unto all nations—And now, if there are faults they are the mistakes of men; wherefore, condemn not the things of God, that ye may be found spotless at the judgment-seat of Christ.

Jonesy wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 7:53 pm Here’s an alternate view for those considering.

By definition, Gentile is used as “a person who is not a member of one’s own religion”, and even “non-Mormon”. So, I don’t see any yet that fit gentile as being us “Mormons”.

Can you give at least ten verses that undoubtedly point to your definition (that Gentiles are us members of the church)?

I think we can at least see that most, if not all, prophecies in the Book of Mormon are yet to be fulfilled. And it especially means that the church is not in apostasy.

The words given are plain as day.

If it's not plain then it would be closer to parabolic. And so if you're saying it's parabolic, then what are the chances you can see the meaning? Parables are given so that only those with eyes can see. I guess be glad you can't see. Perhaps ignorance brings comfort.

I am left to mourn because of the unbelief, and the wickedness, and the ignorance, and the stiffneckedness of men; for they will not search knowledge, nor understand great knowledge, when it is given unto them in plainness, even as plain as word can be.

John Tavner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 8:25 pm

Jonesy wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 7:53 pm Here’s an alternate view for those considering.

By definition, Gentile is used as “a person who is not a member of one’s own religion”, and even “non-Mormon”. So, I don’t see any yet that fit gentile as being us “Mormons”.

Can you give at least ten verses that undoubtedly point to your definition (that Gentiles are us members of the church)?

I think we can at least see that most, if not all, prophecies in the Book of Mormon are yet to be fulfilled. And it especially means that the church is not in apostasy.

Yeah it is called the title page of the Book of Mormon.
Wherefore, it is an abridgment of the record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites—Written to the Lamanites, who are a remnant of the house of Israel; and also to Jew and Gentile—Written by way of commandment, and also by the spirit of prophecy and of revelation—Written and sealed up, and hid up unto the Lord, that they might not be destroyed—To come forth by the gift and power of God unto the interpretation thereof—Sealed by the hand of Moroni, and hid up unto the Lord, to come forth in due time by way of the Gentile—The interpretation thereof by the gift of God.

An abridgment taken from the Book of Ether also, which is a record of the people of Jared, who were scattered at the time the Lord confounded the language of the people, when they were building a tower to get to heaven—Which is to show unto the remnant of the house of Israel what great things the Lord hath done for their fathers; and that they may know the covenants of the Lord, that they are not cast off forever—And also to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God, manifesting himself unto all nations—And now, if there are faults they are the mistakes of men; wherefore, condemn not the things of God, that ye may be found spotless at the judgment-seat of Christ.

Okay, let me clarify. I was speaking to the prophecies in the Book of Mormon that allude to the future apostasy (which is where I thought this was going—maybe not). My point being that the church is not in apostasy.

If that’s not enough, here’s some more for those considering.

Jonesy wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 10:04 pm

John Tavner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 8:25 pm

Jonesy wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 7:53 pm Here’s an alternate view for those considering.

By definition, Gentile is used as “a person who is not a member of one’s own religion”, and even “non-Mormon”. So, I don’t see any yet that fit gentile as being us “Mormons”.

Can you give at least ten verses that undoubtedly point to your definition (that Gentiles are us members of the church)?

I think we can at least see that most, if not all, prophecies in the Book of Mormon are yet to be fulfilled. And it especially means that the church is not in apostasy.

Yeah it is called the title page of the Book of Mormon.
Wherefore, it is an abridgment of the record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites—Written to the Lamanites, who are a remnant of the house of Israel; and also to Jew and Gentile—Written by way of commandment, and also by the spirit of prophecy and of revelation—Written and sealed up, and hid up unto the Lord, that they might not be destroyed—To come forth by the gift and power of God unto the interpretation thereof—Sealed by the hand of Moroni, and hid up unto the Lord, to come forth in due time by way of the Gentile—The interpretation thereof by the gift of God.

An abridgment taken from the Book of Ether also, which is a record of the people of Jared, who were scattered at the time the Lord confounded the language of the people, when they were building a tower to get to heaven—Which is to show unto the remnant of the house of Israel what great things the Lord hath done for their fathers; and that they may know the covenants of the Lord, that they are not cast off forever—And also to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God, manifesting himself unto all nations—And now, if there are faults they are the mistakes of men; wherefore, condemn not the things of God, that ye may be found spotless at the judgment-seat of Christ.

Okay, let me clarify. I was speaking to the prophecies in the Book of Mormon that allude to the future apostasy (which is where I thought this was going—maybe not). My point being that the church is not in apostasy.

If that’s not enough, here’s some more for those considering.

That's a protected blog... Any way to get access?

caburnha wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 10:24 pm

Jonesy wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 10:04 pm

John Tavner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 8:25 pm

Jonesy wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 7:53 pm Here’s an alternate view for those considering.

By definition, Gentile is used as “a person who is not a member of one’s own religion”, and even “non-Mormon”. So, I don’t see any yet that fit gentile as being us “Mormons”.

Can you give at least ten verses that undoubtedly point to your definition (that Gentiles are us members of the church)?

I think we can at least see that most, if not all, prophecies in the Book of Mormon are yet to be fulfilled. And it especially means that the church is not in apostasy.

Yeah it is called the title page of the Book of Mormon.
Wherefore, it is an abridgment of the record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites—Written to the Lamanites, who are a remnant of the house of Israel; and also to Jew and Gentile—Written by way of commandment, and also by the spirit of prophecy and of revelation—Written and sealed up, and hid up unto the Lord, that they might not be destroyed—To come forth by the gift and power of God unto the interpretation thereof—Sealed by the hand of Moroni, and hid up unto the Lord, to come forth in due time by way of the Gentile—The interpretation thereof by the gift of God.

An abridgment taken from the Book of Ether also, which is a record of the people of Jared, who were scattered at the time the Lord confounded the language of the people, when they were building a tower to get to heaven—Which is to show unto the remnant of the house of Israel what great things the Lord hath done for their fathers; and that they may know the covenants of the Lord, that they are not cast off forever—And also to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God, manifesting himself unto all nations—And now, if there are faults they are the mistakes of men; wherefore, condemn not the things of God, that ye may be found spotless at the judgment-seat of Christ.

Okay, let me clarify. I was speaking to the prophecies in the Book of Mormon that allude to the future apostasy (which is where I thought this was going—maybe not). My point being that the church is not in apostasy.

If that’s not enough, here’s some more for those considering.

That's a protected blog... Any way to get access?

Really??? Does it give you an option to request access? I wonder if you may have to create a Wordpress account. Is the first link I gave like that as well? How about this?

Mindfields wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 1:02 pm The warnings are specifically meant for those that would read the book and believe it as scripture.

------------
so true my friend, so true.


viewtopic.php?f=14&t=50596&p=914209&hil ... od#p914209

Someone made this comment some time ago.

"Mormons today dwindle in unbelief. There is a pervasive belief among us that we are God's chosen people and therefore unavoidably in the right way. So when we read the BOM giving desperate warnings about the churches in the last days, we automatically assume those warnings apply to all churches but our own.
We tend to apply the most important lessons of the book to everyone else but ourselves.
Its a great example of standing on the rameumptom. Read Alma Chapter 31. Its a story of who?... That's right... The Mormons.

You would think that it would be odd to the Mormons that so much effort was wasted warning those who will never read the book."

"Do any BoM warnings to the Gentiles refer to the LDS?"
ALL

Not only are the gentiles of the Book of Mormon the gentiles of the latter-days, but the day of the gentiles has passed and upon His house it will begin. The center of the latter-day saints is going to be hit first and hard with the tribulations. Why? Why else dos God destroy a people unless they are wicked and unrepentant? Hard to repent if you don't even know you are living in sin and unbelief.