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Posted: April 15th, 2019, 1:31 pm
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You believe that?nvr wrote: ↑April 15th, 2019, 7:00 pm I'm sure the appropriate authorities will make sure that classified information which condemns the appropriate authorities will be dealt with swiftly and all personnel and agencies involved reprimanded and improper policies changed. Snowden should have known this. Then he wouldn't have to be hiding in Russia.
I did not say it is easy to do, but becoming a traitor, throwing your future away so you can expose people and get nowhere with it, I recommend a different method.nvr wrote: ↑April 15th, 2019, 7:00 pm I'm sure the appropriate authorities will make sure that classified information which condemns the appropriate authorities will be dealt with swiftly and all personnel and agencies involved reprimanded and improper policies changed. Snowden should have known this. Then he wouldn't have to be hiding in Russia.
How is Julian Assange a traitor?Craig Johnson wrote: ↑April 15th, 2019, 10:43 pmI did not say it is easy to do, but becoming a traitor, throwing your future away so you can expose people and get nowhere with it, I recommend a different method.nvr wrote: ↑April 15th, 2019, 7:00 pm I'm sure the appropriate authorities will make sure that classified information which condemns the appropriate authorities will be dealt with swiftly and all personnel and agencies involved reprimanded and improper policies changed. Snowden should have known this. Then he wouldn't have to be hiding in Russia.
I was being sarcastic.Fiannan wrote: ↑April 15th, 2019, 10:08 pmYou believe that?nvr wrote: ↑April 15th, 2019, 7:00 pm I'm sure the appropriate authorities will make sure that classified information which condemns the appropriate authorities will be dealt with swiftly and all personnel and agencies involved reprimanded and improper policies changed. Snowden should have known this. Then he wouldn't have to be hiding in Russia.
Snowden was mentioned not Assange. However, I feel the same way about Assange, it does not have to be your own country that you betray. He is not righteous to me. Traitor can mean you betray someone or something, it also means being treasonous to your own country. I guess you don't feel that way and would gladly give up your entire life to fraudulently expose your government doing wrong, which to some may seem righteous, but if it were it would not include the loss of your ability to be with your family and every other thing that you treasure in life. But, you can think that way, there are a lot of people who do think that way, I do not, likely because I ran a classified document vault and took an oath to not betray my trust and unlike traitors I took that oath seriously and not deviously, my word and promise means something to me. There are other ways to deal with these matters and those other ways actually work.Robin Hood wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 12:23 amHow is Julian Assange a traitor?Craig Johnson wrote: ↑April 15th, 2019, 10:43 pmI did not say it is easy to do, but becoming a traitor, throwing your future away so you can expose people and get nowhere with it, I recommend a different method.nvr wrote: ↑April 15th, 2019, 7:00 pm I'm sure the appropriate authorities will make sure that classified information which condemns the appropriate authorities will be dealt with swiftly and all personnel and agencies involved reprimanded and improper policies changed. Snowden should have known this. Then he wouldn't have to be hiding in Russia.
Shouldn't all non disclosure agreements be null and void if they are being used to cover up human rights abuses?Craig Johnson wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 8:03 amSnowden was mentioned not Assange. However, I feel the same way about Assange, it does not have to be your own country that you betray. He is not righteous to me. Traitor can mean you betray someone or something, it also means being treasonous to your own country. I guess you don't feel that way and would gladly give up your entire life to fraudulently expose your government doing wrong, which to some may seem righteous, but if it were it would not include the loss of your ability to be with your family and every other thing that you treasure in life. But, you can think that way, there are a lot of people who do think that way, I do not, likely because I ran a classified document vault and took an oath to not betray my trust and unlike traitors I took that oath seriously and not deviously, my word and promise means something to me. There are other ways to deal with these matters and those other ways actually work.Robin Hood wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 12:23 amHow is Julian Assange a traitor?Craig Johnson wrote: ↑April 15th, 2019, 10:43 pmI did not say it is easy to do, but becoming a traitor, throwing your future away so you can expose people and get nowhere with it, I recommend a different method.nvr wrote: ↑April 15th, 2019, 7:00 pm I'm sure the appropriate authorities will make sure that classified information which condemns the appropriate authorities will be dealt with swiftly and all personnel and agencies involved reprimanded and improper policies changed. Snowden should have known this. Then he wouldn't have to be hiding in Russia.
You mean traitors like the people Snowden and Assange exposed?Snowden was mentioned not Assange. However, I feel the same way about Assange, it does not have to be your own country that you betray. He is not righteous to me. Traitor can mean you betray someone or something, it also means being treasonous to your own country.
If you don't give your word you won't have access, if you give your word and break it you will have the law applied to you. If you do a Kishkumen reveal to the King (President) that seems okay to me, as long as you do it appropriately, he knew Kishkumen was going to try to kill the King, that will probably not be part of your situation. In fact of all the documents you ever see you will not likely see anything that you feel is out of order and if you do, you will have to decide what you are going to do, for me, I will go about my reveal in a legal manner since I believe in honoring, obeying and sustaining the law and I don't make qualifiers so that I can get around that commitment.Juliet wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 9:45 amShouldn't all non disclosure agreements be null and void if they are being used to cover up human rights abuses?Craig Johnson wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 8:03 amSnowden was mentioned not Assange. However, I feel the same way about Assange, it does not have to be your own country that you betray. He is not righteous to me. Traitor can mean you betray someone or something, it also means being treasonous to your own country. I guess you don't feel that way and would gladly give up your entire life to fraudulently expose your government doing wrong, which to some may seem righteous, but if it were it would not include the loss of your ability to be with your family and every other thing that you treasure in life. But, you can think that way, there are a lot of people who do think that way, I do not, likely because I ran a classified document vault and took an oath to not betray my trust and unlike traitors I took that oath seriously and not deviously, my word and promise means something to me. There are other ways to deal with these matters and those other ways actually work.Robin Hood wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 12:23 amHow is Julian Assange a traitor?Craig Johnson wrote: ↑April 15th, 2019, 10:43 pm
I did not say it is easy to do, but becoming a traitor, throwing your future away so you can expose people and get nowhere with it, I recommend a different method.
In Helaman chapter 2, Helaman's servant learned the secret sign used by Kishkumen and was able to save Helaman's life by betraying this secret and wicked oath.
A non disclosure agreement cannot be allowed to justify wickedness, and if it does, the good people trying to expose it will lose their life and their family, and that is why most people fall into line.
That is why the whole idea of non disclosure agreements seem like a bad idea to me.
If you need someone to keep your trust, well; a non disclosure agreement is not going to stop a traitor. All it does is give government legal rights to destroy the good people who would never break the contract in the first place if everything was on the up and up.
Michael Jackson's maid is now coming out with the fact that cleaned up boys underwear from his bedroom and closets. But, she signed a non disclosure agreement... So who cares that children were being sexually abused and that she knew he was a predator...
I don't disagree with that assessment and if you read what I wrote you will see that, what I disagree with is the method. There is a right way and a wrong way, there is no need to bring yourself down to the level of those you desire to and should expose.Fiannan wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 9:50 amYou mean traitors like the people Snowden and Assange exposed?Snowden was mentioned not Assange. However, I feel the same way about Assange, it does not have to be your own country that you betray. He is not righteous to me. Traitor can mean you betray someone or something, it also means being treasonous to your own country.
If Snowden had done as you say we would still be being told by the intelligence agencies and their propaganda network, the mainstream media, that allegations of the government spying on Americans were merely "conspiracy theories."Craig Johnson wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 11:38 amI don't disagree with that assessment and if you read what I wrote you will see that, what I disagree with is the method. There is a right way and a wrong way, there is no need to bring yourself down to the level of those you desire to and should expose.Fiannan wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 9:50 amYou mean traitors like the people Snowden and Assange exposed?Snowden was mentioned not Assange. However, I feel the same way about Assange, it does not have to be your own country that you betray. He is not righteous to me. Traitor can mean you betray someone or something, it also means being treasonous to your own country.
You do not know that, therefore it is not true, it is only your prediction. That is like saying Santa was at your house last night and promised you a laptop with classified information and when you get it you will share it.Fiannan wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 1:10 pmIf Snowden had done as you say we would still be being told by the intelligence agencies and their propaganda network, the mainstream media, that allegations of the government spying on Americans were merely "conspiracy theories."Craig Johnson wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 11:38 amI don't disagree with that assessment and if you read what I wrote you will see that, what I disagree with is the method. There is a right way and a wrong way, there is no need to bring yourself down to the level of those you desire to and should expose.Fiannan wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 9:50 amYou mean traitors like the people Snowden and Assange exposed?Snowden was mentioned not Assange. However, I feel the same way about Assange, it does not have to be your own country that you betray. He is not righteous to me. Traitor can mean you betray someone or something, it also means being treasonous to your own country.
And yet the heads of the intelligence agencies continued to lie and lie and lie even after it was shown they were spying.You do not know that, therefore it is not true, it is only your prediction. That is like saying Santa was at your house last night and promised you a laptop with classified information and when you get it you will share it.
Here's the deal, imagine this happening, first you say to yourself, "I have this classified information that proves what's his name committed a treasonous act, I must expose this, I will risk my life in prison over this!" On your way to deliver the info you run into Humjoe Freeger and have talk about what you are thinking of doing. Humjoe says "Wait, I am related to Dergus Fliptip and he can get you in to talk to Senator Wabaslim, he is a straight shooter and all you have to do is speak in general terms and then he can gain access to the documents through other channels and you won't have to go to prison." And you say, "But I want to be famous and have a sex change." And Humjoe says "Oh, well, I can't help you then."Fiannan wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 11:33 pmAnd yet the heads of the intelligence agencies continued to lie and lie and lie even after it was shown they were spying.You do not know that, therefore it is not true, it is only your prediction. That is like saying Santa was at your house last night and promised you a laptop with classified information and when you get it you will share it.
And what does Santa have to do with this?
Edward Snowden never had a sex change.And you say, "But I want to be famous and have a sex change."
"When the wicked rule the people mourn". And " when the blind lead the blind they both fall into the ditch".Craig Johnson wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 8:03 amSnowden was mentioned not Assange. However, I feel the same way about Assange, it does not have to be your own country that you betray. He is not righteous to me. Traitor can mean you betray someone or something, it also means being treasonous to your own country. I guess you don't feel that way and would gladly give up your entire life to fraudulently expose your government doing wrong, which to some may seem righteous, but if it were it would not include the loss of your ability to be with your family and every other thing that you treasure in life. But, you can think that way, there are a lot of people who do think that way, I do not, likely because I ran a classified document vault and took an oath to not betray my trust and unlike traitors I took that oath seriously and not deviously, my word and promise means something to me. There are other ways to deal with these matters and those other ways actually work.Robin Hood wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 12:23 amHow is Julian Assange a traitor?Craig Johnson wrote: ↑April 15th, 2019, 10:43 pmI did not say it is easy to do, but becoming a traitor, throwing your future away so you can expose people and get nowhere with it, I recommend a different method.nvr wrote: ↑April 15th, 2019, 7:00 pm I'm sure the appropriate authorities will make sure that classified information which condemns the appropriate authorities will be dealt with swiftly and all personnel and agencies involved reprimanded and improper policies changed. Snowden should have known this. Then he wouldn't have to be hiding in Russia.
Since you wrote the way you did I feel inclined to provide this answer, I appreciate your tone. It has been a part of what I have done in my life to stand up to corruption, in this effort I got mixed results, but I did get some positive results. I came close to being prosecuted, but because I followed the correct method nothing was able to be done against me. There is a lot of CORRUPTION and just plain evil in the military, government, government contractors (including the MIC), private sector, powerful families, individuals, ancient organizations, false gods, false religions, non-religions and anti-religions. I did what I could do, which was a very small thing, in my estimation. But I did what I did legally and was not trying to become famous nor to ruin my life and privacy. Also, I have always appreciated that the Lord teaches us to do what is right, but He does not teach us to break laws in order to do it, I believe in the Lord, for my part, and I do not believe in the teachings of uninspired persons. Until He tells me it is okay now to break laws I will go on avoiding that. There are ways to do the right thing and keep yourself from being evil yourself, I am only supporting that in what I say about this subject AND I believe and have faith that God will take care of those who need to be revealed that are not within our power to do so. So, does He use evil people to do that? I believe so and I believe the scriptures support that. Should we idolize and support those evil people when they get some good results, no, I don't think so, but we should take notice of what is revealed and see what we can do, legally, to fix these issues that we find out about and get to the bottom of other issues that are likely connected.simpleton wrote: ↑April 18th, 2019, 7:14 am"When the wicked rule the people mourn". And " when the blind lead the blind they both fall into the ditch".Craig Johnson wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 8:03 amSnowden was mentioned not Assange. However, I feel the same way about Assange, it does not have to be your own country that you betray. He is not righteous to me. Traitor can mean you betray someone or something, it also means being treasonous to your own country. I guess you don't feel that way and would gladly give up your entire life to fraudulently expose your government doing wrong, which to some may seem righteous, but if it were it would not include the loss of your ability to be with your family and every other thing that you treasure in life. But, you can think that way, there are a lot of people who do think that way, I do not, likely because I ran a classified document vault and took an oath to not betray my trust and unlike traitors I took that oath seriously and not deviously, my word and promise means something to me. There are other ways to deal with these matters and those other ways actually work.Robin Hood wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 12:23 amHow is Julian Assange a traitor?Craig Johnson wrote: ↑April 15th, 2019, 10:43 pm
I did not say it is easy to do, but becoming a traitor, throwing your future away so you can expose people and get nowhere with it, I recommend a different method.
Yes it is commendable that you are a man of your word in the oath you took to protect " classified documents". But, are those classified documents written for the purpose of undermining and destroying the constitution of these United States? Are those documents written to destroy the freedom of the people of these United States? Do those documents contain the "secret oaths and covenants" from them of old to commit murder, theft, whoredoms etc.?
Just making a point. And I am in no wise accusing you of anything or hinting at all as such.
The very facts are, is that this government of these United States, IMO, is corrupt as hell itself and there are elements within, or "secret combinations" within that are intent on destroying the constitution and the freedoms of this people. And it started clear back in Joseph's day. And the vast majority of our presidents of these United States have been complicit in it, along with various other behind the scenes conspirators. And they all hide behind the word "patriotism", (among others).
The saddest thing of all to me, is that we have joined hands with them, ignorantly or otherwise......
The below is what is going on and happening right now in America...
And it came to pass that Akish gathered in unto the house of Jared all his kinsfolk, and said unto them: Will ye swear unto me that ye will be faithful unto me in the thing which I shall desire of you?
14 And it came to pass that they all sware unto him, by the God of heaven, and also by the heavens, and also by the earth, and by their heads, that whoso should vary from the assistance which Akish desired should lose his head; and whoso should divulge whatsoever thing Akish made known unto them, the same should lose his life.
15 And it came to pass that thus they did agree with Akish. And Akish did administer unto them the oaths which were given by them of old who also sought power, which had been handed down even from Cain, who was a murderer from the beginning.
16 And they were kept up by the power of the devil to administer these oaths unto the people, to keep them in darkness, to help such as sought power to gain power, and to murder, and to plunder, and to lie, and to commit all manner of wickedness and whoredoms.
[/quote]lundbaek wrote: ↑April 18th, 2019, 10:09 am ] I ran a classified document vault and took an oath to not betray my trust and unlike traitors I took that oath seriously and not deviously, my word and promise means something to me.[/color] There are other ways to deal with these matters and those other ways actually work.