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setyourselffree wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 10:06 pm

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 10:04 pm

Stahura wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 9:56 pm

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 9:21 pm

Funny stuff.
Truth is truth and what I stated is truth.

Nope

Are you suggesting this scriptures is false?

27 And the righteous shall be gathered on my right hand unto eternal life; and the wicked on my left hand will I be ashamed to own before the Father;
28 Wherefore I will say unto them—Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.

What is the definition of Eternal life?

To live with God in eternity. I like to insert the word "spiritual" in-between so it says "eternal spiritual life". The antonym phrase would thus be "eternal spiritual death".

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 10:12 pm

setyourselffree wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 10:06 pm

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 10:04 pm

Stahura wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 9:56 pm

Nope

Are you suggesting this scriptures is false?

27 And the righteous shall be gathered on my right hand unto eternal life; and the wicked on my left hand will I be ashamed to own before the Father;
28 Wherefore I will say unto them—Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.

What is the definition of Eternal life?

To live with God in eternity. I like to insert the word "spiritual" in-between so it says "eternal spiritual life". The antonym phrase would thus be "eternal spiritual death".

So have you repented for every conceivable sin committed since you turned nine (or whenever the age of accountability starts) so you don't end up in perdition? Remember, only one sin will keep you out of God's presence. And you said God can not save the wicked. One sin to our charge will render us wicked by what you suggest and by what you have stated. One sin will put us on the right hand of the Father.
Do you really want to keep saying God can not save the wicked because the wicked are all sons of perdition? Do you want one forgotten sin to make you perdition? Could happen you know! It's easy to look at others and call them wicked, but what about the person in the mirror that forgot to repent for one single sin?

Doctrine and Covenants 1:31
31 For I the Lord cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance;

Lev. 5:17
17 ¶ And if a soul sin, and commit any of these things which are forbidden to be done by the commandments of the Lord; though he wist it not, yet is he guilty, and shall bear his iniquity.

wist = understanding, intelligence, or sagacity; astuteness.

Hey everyone, what is the lowest hell? I thought hell is hell, one level?

Deut. 32:22
22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 10:50 pm

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 10:12 pm

setyourselffree wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 10:06 pm

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 10:04 pm

Are you suggesting this scriptures is false?

27 And the righteous shall be gathered on my right hand unto eternal life; and the wicked on my left hand will I be ashamed to own before the Father;
28 Wherefore I will say unto them—Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.

What is the definition of Eternal life?

To live with God in eternity. I like to insert the word "spiritual" in-between so it says "eternal spiritual life". The antonym phrase would thus be "eternal spiritual death".

So have you repented for every conceivable sin committed since you turned nine (or whenever the age of accountability starts) so you don't end up in perdition? Remember, only one sin will keep you out of God's presence. And you said God can not save the wicked. One sin to our charge will render us wicked by what you suggest and by what you have stated. One sin will put us on the right hand of the Father.
Do you really want to keep saying God can not save the wicked?

God cannot nor willnot save the person who hasn't repented from "all" their sins. That's a scriptural fact and an eternal truth.

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 10:56 pm

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 10:50 pm

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 10:12 pm

setyourselffree wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 10:06 pm

What is the definition of Eternal life?

To live with God in eternity. I like to insert the word "spiritual" in-between so it says "eternal spiritual life". The antonym phrase would thus be "eternal spiritual death".

So have you repented for every conceivable sin committed since you turned nine (or whenever the age of accountability starts) so you don't end up in perdition? Remember, only one sin will keep you out of God's presence. And you said God can not save the wicked. One sin to our charge will render us wicked by what you suggest and by what you have stated. One sin will put us on the right hand of the Father.
Do you really want to keep saying God can not save the wicked?

God cannot nor willnot save the person who hasn't repented from "all" their sins. That's a scriptural fact and an eternal truth.

That was not my question. Read my post again. Dodging all truth is not to be humble enough to accept error. Do you assume you are perfect, without just one forgotten sin?

Doctrine and Covenants 1:31
31 For I the Lord cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance;

Lev. 5:17
17 ¶ And if a soul sin, and commit any of these things which are forbidden to be done by the commandments of the Lord; though he wist it not, yet is he guilty, and shall bear his iniquity.

wist = understanding, intelligence, or sagacity; astuteness.

There are others wanting to know the answer to this question as well. Are you perfect in every way?

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 11:07 pm

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 10:56 pm

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 10:50 pm

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 10:12 pm

To live with God in eternity. I like to insert the word "spiritual" in-between so it says "eternal spiritual life". The antonym phrase would thus be "eternal spiritual death".

So have you repented for every conceivable sin committed since you turned nine (or whenever the age of accountability starts) so you don't end up in perdition? Remember, only one sin will keep you out of God's presence. And you said God can not save the wicked. One sin to our charge will render us wicked by what you suggest and by what you have stated. One sin will put us on the right hand of the Father.
Do you really want to keep saying God can not save the wicked?

God cannot nor willnot save the person who hasn't repented from "all" their sins. That's a scriptural fact and an eternal truth.

That was not my question. Read my post again. Dodging all truth is not to be humble enough to accept error. Do you assume you are perfect, without just one forgotten sin?

Doctrine and Covenants 1:31
31 For I the Lord cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance;

Lev. 5:17
17 ¶ And if a soul sin, and commit any of these things which are forbidden to be done by the commandments of the Lord; though he wist it not, yet is he guilty, and shall bear his iniquity.

wist = understanding, intelligence, or sagacity; astuteness.

There are others wanting to know the answer to this question as well. Are you perfect in every way?

We cannot become perfect (without sin) in this short life. Our progress will continue into the spirit world and then to the millennium. We will have that time to repent from all sin.

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 11:15 pm

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 11:07 pm

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 10:56 pm

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 10:50 pm
So have you repented for every conceivable sin committed since you turned nine (or whenever the age of accountability starts) so you don't end up in perdition? Remember, only one sin will keep you out of God's presence. And you said God can not save the wicked. One sin to our charge will render us wicked by what you suggest and by what you have stated. One sin will put us on the right hand of the Father.
Do you really want to keep saying God can not save the wicked?

God cannot nor willnot save the person who hasn't repented from "all" their sins. That's a scriptural fact and an eternal truth.

That was not my question. Read my post again. Dodging all truth is not to be humble enough to accept error. Do you assume you are perfect, without just one forgotten sin?

Doctrine and Covenants 1:31
31 For I the Lord cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance;

Lev. 5:17
17 ¶ And if a soul sin, and commit any of these things which are forbidden to be done by the commandments of the Lord; though he wist it not, yet is he guilty, and shall bear his iniquity.

wist = understanding, intelligence, or sagacity; astuteness.

There are others wanting to know the answer to this question as well. Are you perfect in every way?

We cannot become perfect (without sin) in this short life. Our progress will continue into the spirit world and then to the millennium. We will have that time to repent from all sin.

What are the sources for this notion? This definitely is not what scripture teaches us.

Alma 12:24
24 And we see that death comes upon mankind, yea, the death which has been spoken of by Amulek, which is the temporal death; nevertheless there was a space granted unto man in which he might repent; therefore this life became a probationary state; a time to prepare to meet God; a time to prepare for that endless state which has been spoken of by us, which is after the resurrection of the dead.

Therefore, we must repent in this life time, this is our probation, a time to prepare to meet God. Not any time afterward. Are you implying you are perfect enough, now, to not become perdition, by your own words?

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 11:19 pm

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 11:15 pm

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 11:07 pm

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 10:56 pm
God cannot nor willnot save the person who hasn't repented from "all" their sins. That's a scriptural fact and an eternal truth.

That was not my question. Read my post again. Dodging all truth is not to be humble enough to accept error. Do you assume you are perfect, without just one forgotten sin?

Doctrine and Covenants 1:31
31 For I the Lord cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance;

Lev. 5:17
17 ¶ And if a soul sin, and commit any of these things which are forbidden to be done by the commandments of the Lord; though he wist it not, yet is he guilty, and shall bear his iniquity.

wist = understanding, intelligence, or sagacity; astuteness.

There are others wanting to know the answer to this question as well. Are you perfect in every way?

We cannot become perfect (without sin) in this short life. Our progress will continue into the spirit world and then to the millennium. We will have that time to repent from all sin.

What are the sources for this notion?

Well, D&C 138 teaches that repentance is possible after death. D&C 77 teaches that during the millennium Christ will complete the salvation of man.

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 11:25 pm

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 11:19 pm

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 11:15 pm

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 11:07 pm
That was not my question. Read my post again. Dodging all truth is not to be humble enough to accept error. Do you assume you are perfect, without just one forgotten sin?

Doctrine and Covenants 1:31
31 For I the Lord cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance;

Lev. 5:17
17 ¶ And if a soul sin, and commit any of these things which are forbidden to be done by the commandments of the Lord; though he wist it not, yet is he guilty, and shall bear his iniquity.

wist = understanding, intelligence, or sagacity; astuteness.

There are others wanting to know the answer to this question as well. Are you perfect in every way?

We cannot become perfect (without sin) in this short life. Our progress will continue into the spirit world and then to the millennium. We will have that time to repent from all sin.

What are the sources for this notion?

Well, D&C 138 teaches that repentance is possible after death. D&C 77 teaches that during the millennium Christ will complete the salvation of man.

Which verses in each case?

Alma 12:24
24 And we see that death comes upon mankind, yea, the death which has been spoken of by Amulek, which is the temporal death; nevertheless there was a space granted unto man in which he might repent; therefore this life became a probationary state; a time to prepare to meet God; a time to prepare for that endless state which has been spoken of by us, which is after the resurrection of the dead.

Alma 34:32 (32–35)
32 For behold, this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God; yea, behold the day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors.
33 And now, as I said unto you before, as ye have had so many witnesses, therefore, I beseech of you that ye do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end; for after this day of life, which is given us to prepare for eternity, behold, if we do not improve our time while in this life, then cometh the night of darkness wherein there can be no labor performed.
34 Ye cannot say, when ye are brought to that awful crisis, that I will repent, that I will return to my God. Nay, ye cannot say this; for that same spirit which doth possess your bodies at the time that ye go out of this life, that same spirit will have power to possess your body in that eternal world.
35 For behold, if ye have procrastinated the day of your repentance even until death, behold, ye have become subjected to the spirit of the devil, and he doth seal you his; therefore, the Spirit of the Lord hath withdrawn from you, and hath no place in you, and the devil hath all power over you; and this is the final state of the wicked.

This is serious stuff. To wait and repent after this life doesn't work according to the above passage.

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 11:37 pm Alma 34:32 (32–35)
32 For behold, this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God; yea, behold the day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors.
33 And now, as I said unto you before, as ye have had so many witnesses, therefore, I beseech of you that ye do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end; for after this day of life, which is given us to prepare for eternity, behold, if we do not improve our time while in this life, then cometh the night of darkness wherein there can be no labor performed.
34 Ye cannot say, when ye are brought to that awful crisis, that I will repent, that I will return to my God. Nay, ye cannot say this; for that same spirit which doth possess your bodies at the time that ye go out of this life, that same spirit will have power to possess your body in that eternal world.
35 For behold, if ye have procrastinated the day of your repentance even until death, behold, ye have become subjected to the spirit of the devil, and he doth seal you his; therefore, the Spirit of the Lord hath withdrawn from you, and hath no place in you, and the devil hath all power over you; and this is the final state of the wicked.

This is serious stuff. To wait and repent after this life doesn't work according to the above passage.

You gotta remember that this scripture was recorded by the Nephites before the prison doors were opened after Christ died and went to the spirit world to commission the work to allow the prisoners to go free. The Nephites just didn't know about the great work for the dead at that point.

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 26th, 2019, 6:22 am

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 11:37 pm Alma 34:32 (32–35)
32 For behold, this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God; yea, behold the day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors.
33 And now, as I said unto you before, as ye have had so many witnesses, therefore, I beseech of you that ye do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end; for after this day of life, which is given us to prepare for eternity, behold, if we do not improve our time while in this life, then cometh the night of darkness wherein there can be no labor performed.
34 Ye cannot say, when ye are brought to that awful crisis, that I will repent, that I will return to my God. Nay, ye cannot say this; for that same spirit which doth possess your bodies at the time that ye go out of this life, that same spirit will have power to possess your body in that eternal world.
35 For behold, if ye have procrastinated the day of your repentance even until death, behold, ye have become subjected to the spirit of the devil, and he doth seal you his; therefore, the Spirit of the Lord hath withdrawn from you, and hath no place in you, and the devil hath all power over you; and this is the final state of the wicked.

This is serious stuff. To wait and repent after this life doesn't work according to the above passage.

You gotta remember that this scripture was recorded by the Nephites before the prison doors were opened after Christ died and went to the spirit world to commission the work to allow the prisoners to go free. The Nephites just didn't know about the great work for the dead at that point.

You're just making that up, right?

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 26th, 2019, 6:50 am

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 26th, 2019, 6:22 am

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 11:37 pm Alma 34:32 (32–35)
32 For behold, this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God; yea, behold the day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors.
33 And now, as I said unto you before, as ye have had so many witnesses, therefore, I beseech of you that ye do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end; for after this day of life, which is given us to prepare for eternity, behold, if we do not improve our time while in this life, then cometh the night of darkness wherein there can be no labor performed.
34 Ye cannot say, when ye are brought to that awful crisis, that I will repent, that I will return to my God. Nay, ye cannot say this; for that same spirit which doth possess your bodies at the time that ye go out of this life, that same spirit will have power to possess your body in that eternal world.
35 For behold, if ye have procrastinated the day of your repentance even until death, behold, ye have become subjected to the spirit of the devil, and he doth seal you his; therefore, the Spirit of the Lord hath withdrawn from you, and hath no place in you, and the devil hath all power over you; and this is the final state of the wicked.

This is serious stuff. To wait and repent after this life doesn't work according to the above passage.

You gotta remember that this scripture was recorded by the Nephites before the prison doors were opened after Christ died and went to the spirit world to commission the work to allow the prisoners to go free. The Nephites just didn't know about the great work for the dead at that point.

You're just making that up, right?

No. The Nephites we're wholly unaware that repentance and acceptance of the gospel was possible after death.

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 26th, 2019, 7:16 am

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 26th, 2019, 6:50 am

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 26th, 2019, 6:22 am

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑April 25th, 2019, 11:37 pm Alma 34:32 (32–35)
32 For behold, this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God; yea, behold the day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors.
33 And now, as I said unto you before, as ye have had so many witnesses, therefore, I beseech of you that ye do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end; for after this day of life, which is given us to prepare for eternity, behold, if we do not improve our time while in this life, then cometh the night of darkness wherein there can be no labor performed.
34 Ye cannot say, when ye are brought to that awful crisis, that I will repent, that I will return to my God. Nay, ye cannot say this; for that same spirit which doth possess your bodies at the time that ye go out of this life, that same spirit will have power to possess your body in that eternal world.
35 For behold, if ye have procrastinated the day of your repentance even until death, behold, ye have become subjected to the spirit of the devil, and he doth seal you his; therefore, the Spirit of the Lord hath withdrawn from you, and hath no place in you, and the devil hath all power over you; and this is the final state of the wicked.

This is serious stuff. To wait and repent after this life doesn't work according to the above passage.

You gotta remember that this scripture was recorded by the Nephites before the prison doors were opened after Christ died and went to the spirit world to commission the work to allow the prisoners to go free. The Nephites just didn't know about the great work for the dead at that point.

You're just making that up, right?

No. The Nephites we're wholly unaware that repentance and acceptance of the gospel was possible after death.

How in the world could you possibly know what God revealed to them? How many times did they write that they were constrained by the Spirit in what they could record on their plates? When the plates were compiled and abridged, what things might God have told them to leave out, or to put in the sealed portion?

Example: the Brother of Jared sees the resurrected Christ, BEFORE Christ came to Earth, died, and was resurrected.

You believe you know more than than the Nephites. Seriously?

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 26th, 2019, 7:24 am

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 26th, 2019, 7:16 am

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 26th, 2019, 6:50 am

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 26th, 2019, 6:22 am

You gotta remember that this scripture was recorded by the Nephites before the prison doors were opened after Christ died and went to the spirit world to commission the work to allow the prisoners to go free. The Nephites just didn't know about the great work for the dead at that point.

You're just making that up, right?

No. The Nephites we're wholly unaware that repentance and acceptance of the gospel was possible after death.

How in the world could you possibly know what God revealed to them? How many times did they write that they were constrained by the Spirit in what they could record on their plates? When the plates were compiled and abridged, what things might God have told them to leave out, or to put in the sealed portion?

Example: the Brother of Jared sees the resurrected Christ, BEFORE Christ came to Earth, died, and was resurrected.

You believe you know more than than the Nephites. Seriously?

Let me rephrase-

From reading the Nephites records we have it's apparent that they did not record on those plates which we now have, the work for the salvation of the dead. As such, if one were to solely read the Book of Mormon, by itself, with no other scripture such as the D&C, one would come away with the belief that repentance was not possible after death. But, because we have the D&C and modern revelation we know that repentance is indeed possible after death and that the devil can't seal them his.

President Nelson disagrees with Cheetos. But Cheetos has faith in President Nelson as a prophet, seer and revelator. What a dilemma.
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Thankfully, I am not this man’s judge. But I do question the efficacy of proxy temple work for a man who had the opportunity to be baptized in this life—to be ordained to the priesthood and receive temple blessings while here in mortality—but who made the conscious decision to reject that course.

My dear brothers and sisters, Jesus Christ invites us to take the covenant path back home to our Heavenly Parents and be with those we love. He invites us to “come, follow me.”

Now, as President of His Church, I plead with you who have distanced yourselves from the Church and with you who have not yet really sought to know that the Savior’s Church has been restored. Do the spiritual work to find out for yourselves, and please do it now. Time is running out.

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/ ... n?lang=eng
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"Time is running out." Sounds like Alma 34:32.

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 26th, 2019, 8:09 am President Nelson disagrees with Cheetos. But Cheetos has faith in President Nelson as a prophet, seer and revelator. What a dilemma.
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Thankfully, I am not this man’s judge. But I do question the efficacy of proxy temple work for a man who had the opportunity to be baptized in this life—to be ordained to the priesthood and receive temple blessings while here in mortality—but who made the conscious decision to reject that course.

My dear brothers and sisters, Jesus Christ invites us to take the covenant path back home to our Heavenly Parents and be with those we love. He invites us to “come, follow me.”

Now, as President of His Church, I plead with you who have distanced yourselves from the Church and with you who have not yet really sought to know that the Savior’s Church has been restored. Do the spiritual work to find out for yourselves, and please do it now. Time is running out.

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/ ... n?lang=eng
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"Time is running out." Sounds like Alma 34:32.

So, just throw out D&C 138? We are talking about if it's possible to repent after death. D&C 138 says yes it's a reality.

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 26th, 2019, 8:15 am

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 26th, 2019, 8:09 am President Nelson disagrees with Cheetos. But Cheetos has faith in President Nelson as a prophet, seer and revelator. What a dilemma.
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Thankfully, I am not this man’s judge. But I do question the efficacy of proxy temple work for a man who had the opportunity to be baptized in this life—to be ordained to the priesthood and receive temple blessings while here in mortality—but who made the conscious decision to reject that course.

My dear brothers and sisters, Jesus Christ invites us to take the covenant path back home to our Heavenly Parents and be with those we love. He invites us to “come, follow me.”

Now, as President of His Church, I plead with you who have distanced yourselves from the Church and with you who have not yet really sought to know that the Savior’s Church has been restored. Do the spiritual work to find out for yourselves, and please do it now. Time is running out.

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/ ... n?lang=eng
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"Time is running out." Sounds like Alma 34:32.

So, just throw out D&C 138? We are talking about if it's possible to repent after death. D&C 138 says yes it's a reality.

I didn't say one way or the other. I'm just saying that you are fundamentally in disagreement with a firm statement made by President Nelson in the most recent General Conference. Many LDS will regard his statement as modern-day scripture.

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 26th, 2019, 8:20 am

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 26th, 2019, 8:15 am

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 26th, 2019, 8:09 am President Nelson disagrees with Cheetos. But Cheetos has faith in President Nelson as a prophet, seer and revelator. What a dilemma.
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Thankfully, I am not this man’s judge. But I do question the efficacy of proxy temple work for a man who had the opportunity to be baptized in this life—to be ordained to the priesthood and receive temple blessings while here in mortality—but who made the conscious decision to reject that course.

My dear brothers and sisters, Jesus Christ invites us to take the covenant path back home to our Heavenly Parents and be with those we love. He invites us to “come, follow me.”

Now, as President of His Church, I plead with you who have distanced yourselves from the Church and with you who have not yet really sought to know that the Savior’s Church has been restored. Do the spiritual work to find out for yourselves, and please do it now. Time is running out.

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/ ... n?lang=eng
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"Time is running out." Sounds like Alma 34:32.

So, just throw out D&C 138? We are talking about if it's possible to repent after death. D&C 138 says yes it's a reality.

I didn't say one way or the other. I'm just saying that you are fundamentally in disagreement with a firm statement made by President Nelson in the most recent General Conference. Many LDS will regard his statement as modern-day scripture.

I will stick with canonized scripture.

So, you must believe we have to be literally perfect at death because repentance from any other sin isn't possible after death. Good luck with that idea, no one would make it to heaven.

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 26th, 2019, 8:43 am So, you must believe we have to be literally perfect at death because repentance from any other sin isn't possible after death. Good luck with that idea, no one would make it to heaven.

The Atonement

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 26th, 2019, 8:41 am

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 26th, 2019, 8:20 am

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 26th, 2019, 8:15 am

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 26th, 2019, 8:09 am President Nelson disagrees with Cheetos. But Cheetos has faith in President Nelson as a prophet, seer and revelator. What a dilemma.
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Thankfully, I am not this man’s judge. But I do question the efficacy of proxy temple work for a man who had the opportunity to be baptized in this life—to be ordained to the priesthood and receive temple blessings while here in mortality—but who made the conscious decision to reject that course.

My dear brothers and sisters, Jesus Christ invites us to take the covenant path back home to our Heavenly Parents and be with those we love. He invites us to “come, follow me.”

Now, as President of His Church, I plead with you who have distanced yourselves from the Church and with you who have not yet really sought to know that the Savior’s Church has been restored. Do the spiritual work to find out for yourselves, and please do it now. Time is running out.

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/ ... n?lang=eng
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"Time is running out." Sounds like Alma 34:32.

So, just throw out D&C 138? We are talking about if it's possible to repent after death. D&C 138 says yes it's a reality.

I didn't say one way or the other. I'm just saying that you are fundamentally in disagreement with a firm statement made by President Nelson in the most recent General Conference. Many LDS will regard his statement as modern-day scripture.

I will stick with canonized scripture.

Then you believe that Nelson taught false doctrine. Okaaaaaaaay.

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 26th, 2019, 8:53 am

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 26th, 2019, 8:43 am So, you must believe we have to be literally perfect at death because repentance from any other sin isn't possible after death. Good luck with that idea, no one would make it to heaven.

The Atonement

The atonement only works for when one repents. Otherwise they remain in their fallen spiritual state.

Cheetos,

Do you have faith in Pres Nelson?

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 26th, 2019, 8:54 am

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 26th, 2019, 8:41 am

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 26th, 2019, 8:20 am

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 26th, 2019, 8:15 am
So, just throw out D&C 138? We are talking about if it's possible to repent after death. D&C 138 says yes it's a reality.

I didn't say one way or the other. I'm just saying that you are fundamentally in disagreement with a firm statement made by President Nelson in the most recent General Conference. Many LDS will regard his statement as modern-day scripture.

I will stick with canonized scripture.

Then you believe that Nelson taught false doctrine. Okaaaaaaaay.

I believe section 138.
You must admit then that you dismiss section 138 as false doctrine.