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Aprhys wrote: ↑April 13th, 2019, 9:15 am My wife has been a "special needs" teacher at every level from kindergarten to high school for over 20 years. She highly disagrees with these studies. What has happened is the spectrum for autism has been increased immensely. My adopted so who was born addicted to all sorts of drugs does not have autism by any means. However, too many psychologist, psychiatrists, and neurologists simply diagnose any problem that they don't want to spend the time really digging in to as "autism." Autism is becoming what ADHD was 15 years ago. Kids is acting like a kid? Must be autism. Kid doesn't pay attention in school? Must be autism

mtm411 wrote: ↑April 13th, 2019, 12:04 pm Autism rates soaring are more about genetic selection than anything environmental. Autism is an umbrella diagnosis. They use it for kids who used to be called mentally retarded all the way up to someone who just has some social deficits. Those with social deficits used to get no diagnosis, while the mentally retarded used to be diagnosed as just that. Now it's un pc to diagnose someone as mentally retarded, so they call them autistic instead.

Being mildly to moderately autistic used to mean that your chances for having a romantic partner and reproducing were slight. It just wasn't adaptive when physical strength, tolerance for noise, and social skills were necessary for employment for the majority of people. Being able to read didn't even used to be necessary to put food on the table for your family, let alone talent in advanced mathematics.

Now some who are mildly or moderately autistic are some of the highest paid people in our society. These computer programmers and researchers meet and marry each other, and to no surprise produce children who are at least as autistic as they are, or more severely impaired.

This is why autism is especially soaring in places with economies based on computers like Silicon Valley or Seattle. Those genes are now being passed on.

The other factor is that more babies used to be weeded out before hygiene and modern medicine decreased infant mortality. The weakest died, and often those weak people like those with severe allergies, severe autism, diabetes were the first children to die when viruses came around. Now they grow up and reproduce, and pass their genetics on.

eddie wrote: ↑April 13th, 2019, 12:50 pm

Aprhys wrote: ↑April 13th, 2019, 9:15 am My wife has been a "special needs" teacher at every level from kindergarten to high school for over 20 years. She highly disagrees with these studies. What has happened is the spectrum for autism has been increased immensely. My adopted so who was born addicted to all sorts of drugs does not have autism by any means. However, too many psychologist, psychiatrists, and neurologists simply diagnose any problem that they don't want to spend the time really digging in to as "autism." Autism is becoming what ADHD was 15 years ago. Kids is acting like a kid? Must be autism. Kid doesn't pay attention in school? Must be autism

My closest friend is a special needs teacher and has been for over 20 years at least. She states that in all her time, she has never seen the meltdowns like some of the children are having now, they are different, uncontrollable. We have an autistic child in our immediate family, there is no doubt he is autistic. I was in the Post Office yesterday and a woman was with her young son, I could tell immediately he was autistic. The spectrum is large, but its certainly more discernable than kids acting like kids or not paying attention in school. Perhaps it is being diagnosed incorrectly, but that doesn't take away from the true epidemic of Autism, its real.

mtm411 wrote: ↑April 13th, 2019, 12:04 pm Autism rates soaring are more about genetic selection than anything environmental. Autism is an umbrella diagnosis. They use it for kids who used to be called mentally retarded all the way up to someone who just has some social deficits. Those with social deficits used to get no diagnosis, while the mentally retarded used to be diagnosed as just that. Now it's un pc to diagnose someone as mentally retarded, so they call them autistic instead.

Being mildly to moderately autistic used to mean that your chances for having a romantic partner and reproducing were slight. It just wasn't adaptive when physical strength, tolerance for noise, and social skills were necessary for employment for the majority of people. Being able to read didn't even used to be necessary to put food on the table for your family, let alone talent in advanced mathematics.

Now some who are mildly or moderately autistic are some of the highest paid people in our society. These computer programmers and researchers meet and marry each other, and to no surprise produce children who are at least as autistic as they are, or more severely impaired.

This is why autism is especially soaring in places with economies based on computers like Silicon Valley or Seattle. Those genes are now being passed on.

The other factor is that more babies used to be weeded out before hygiene and modern medicine decreased infant mortality. The weakest died, and often those weak people like those with severe allergies, severe autism, diabetes were the first children to die when viruses came around. Now they grow up and reproduce, and pass their genetics on.

harakim wrote: ↑April 18th, 2019, 10:40 am

mtm411 wrote: ↑April 13th, 2019, 12:04 pm Autism rates soaring are more about genetic selection than anything environmental. Autism is an umbrella diagnosis. They use it for kids who used to be called mentally retarded all the way up to someone who just has some social deficits. Those with social deficits used to get no diagnosis, while the mentally retarded used to be diagnosed as just that. Now it's un pc to diagnose someone as mentally retarded, so they call them autistic instead.

Being mildly to moderately autistic used to mean that your chances for having a romantic partner and reproducing were slight. It just wasn't adaptive when physical strength, tolerance for noise, and social skills were necessary for employment for the majority of people. Being able to read didn't even used to be necessary to put food on the table for your family, let alone talent in advanced mathematics.

Now some who are mildly or moderately autistic are some of the highest paid people in our society. These computer programmers and researchers meet and marry each other, and to no surprise produce children who are at least as autistic as they are, or more severely impaired.

This is why autism is especially soaring in places with economies based on computers like Silicon Valley or Seattle. Those genes are now being passed on.

The other factor is that more babies used to be weeded out before hygiene and modern medicine decreased infant mortality. The weakest died, and often those weak people like those with severe allergies, severe autism, diabetes were the first children to die when viruses came around. Now they grow up and reproduce, and pass their genetics on.

I think it's people ignoring their kids, letting them be raised by TV and then the kids losing trust in them over various things. That's why it's more prevalent among programmers. They typically don't spend as much time with their kids or know how to/care to relate to them.

mtm411 wrote: ↑April 24th, 2019, 3:26 pm That was the go-to theory until the 1960's. I know absolutely loving parents who don't have television or video games that have autistic children. Symptoms are present from just a few months old in most cases. Twins adopted out and raised by different families have autism at the same rate.

I also know a lot of parents who don't put limits on their kids' tv time and are neglectful who don't have autistic kids.

harakim wrote: ↑April 18th, 2019, 10:40 am

mtm411 wrote: ↑April 13th, 2019, 12:04 pm Autism rates soaring are more about genetic selection than anything environmental. Autism is an umbrella diagnosis. They use it for kids who used to be called mentally retarded all the way up to someone who just has some social deficits. Those with social deficits used to get no diagnosis, while the mentally retarded used to be diagnosed as just that. Now it's un pc to diagnose someone as mentally retarded, so they call them autistic instead.

Being mildly to moderately autistic used to mean that your chances for having a romantic partner and reproducing were slight. It just wasn't adaptive when physical strength, tolerance for noise, and social skills were necessary for employment for the majority of people. Being able to read didn't even used to be necessary to put food on the table for your family, let alone talent in advanced mathematics.

Now some who are mildly or moderately autistic are some of the highest paid people in our society. These computer programmers and researchers meet and marry each other, and to no surprise produce children who are at least as autistic as they are, or more severely impaired.

This is why autism is especially soaring in places with economies based on computers like Silicon Valley or Seattle. Those genes are now being passed on.

The other factor is that more babies used to be weeded out before hygiene and modern medicine decreased infant mortality. The weakest died, and often those weak people like those with severe allergies, severe autism, diabetes were the first children to die when viruses came around. Now they grow up and reproduce, and pass their genetics on.

I think it's people ignoring their kids, letting them be raised by TV and then the kids losing trust in them over various things. That's why it's more prevalent among programmers. They typically don't spend as much time with their kids or know how to/care to relate to them.

Durzan wrote: ↑April 27th, 2019, 4:42 pm Autism isn't a disease, it isn't something that you can simply cure; its either a mental disorder (what is the line of thought nowadays) or simply a completely natural recessive phenomenon within the human genotype. At its core, a kid or adult who is on the Autism Spectrum simply processes information differently than most others. Of course, those differences often manifest in abnormal behaviors. Autism has its advantages and disadvantages.

Please stop treating it like it is universally some awful thing. Yes, there are some negative aspects of being autistic, but there are quite often a number of benefits to being autistic as well (depending on the severity and the specifics of the condition of course). Autism is a part of who we are on this Earth, and while we can learn to adapt and cope with the negativities that come from being autistic, it isn't something that can be changed or "cured;" rather it is something that can be compensated for by the Holy Spirit.

eddie wrote: ↑April 27th, 2019, 10:47 pm

Durzan wrote: ↑April 27th, 2019, 4:42 pm Autism isn't a disease, it isn't something that you can simply cure; its either a mental disorder (what is the line of thought nowadays) or simply a completely natural recessive phenomenon within the human genotype. At its core, a kid or adult who is on the Autism Spectrum simply processes information differently than most others. Of course, those differences often manifest in abnormal behaviors. Autism has its advantages and disadvantages.

Please stop treating it like it is universally some awful thing. Yes, there are some negative aspects of being autistic, but there are quite often a number of benefits to being autistic as well (depending on the severity and the specifics of the condition of course). Autism is a part of who we are on this Earth, and while we can learn to adapt and cope with the negativities that come from being autistic, it isn't something that can be changed or "cured;" rather it is something that can be compensated for by the Holy Spirit.

It absolutely astounds me to read such a confident answer as to what Autism is. "A natural recessive phenomenon?" Could you then please explain to me why this phenomenon and behaviors are new?

harakim wrote: ↑April 26th, 2019, 3:12 pm

mtm411 wrote: ↑April 24th, 2019, 3:26 pm That was the go-to theory until the 1960's. I know absolutely loving parents who don't have television or video games that have autistic children. Symptoms are present from just a few months old in most cases. Twins adopted out and raised by different families have autism at the same rate.

I also know a lot of parents who don't put limits on their kids' tv time and are neglectful who don't have autistic kids.

harakim wrote: ↑April 18th, 2019, 10:40 am

mtm411 wrote: ↑April 13th, 2019, 12:04 pm Autism rates soaring are more about genetic selection than anything environmental. Autism is an umbrella diagnosis. They use it for kids who used to be called mentally retarded all the way up to someone who just has some social deficits. Those with social deficits used to get no diagnosis, while the mentally retarded used to be diagnosed as just that. Now it's un pc to diagnose someone as mentally retarded, so they call them autistic instead.

Being mildly to moderately autistic used to mean that your chances for having a romantic partner and reproducing were slight. It just wasn't adaptive when physical strength, tolerance for noise, and social skills were necessary for employment for the majority of people. Being able to read didn't even used to be necessary to put food on the table for your family, let alone talent in advanced mathematics.

Now some who are mildly or moderately autistic are some of the highest paid people in our society. These computer programmers and researchers meet and marry each other, and to no surprise produce children who are at least as autistic as they are, or more severely impaired.

This is why autism is especially soaring in places with economies based on computers like Silicon Valley or Seattle. Those genes are now being passed on.

The other factor is that more babies used to be weeded out before hygiene and modern medicine decreased infant mortality. The weakest died, and often those weak people like those with severe allergies, severe autism, diabetes were the first children to die when viruses came around. Now they grow up and reproduce, and pass their genetics on.

I think it's people ignoring their kids, letting them be raised by TV and then the kids losing trust in them over various things. That's why it's more prevalent among programmers. They typically don't spend as much time with their kids or know how to/care to relate to them.

I guess I've seen a lot of neglectful parents who have autistic kids and not other parents. I know there are other causes of autism.

Durzan wrote: ↑April 28th, 2019, 7:20 am

eddie wrote: ↑April 27th, 2019, 10:47 pm

Durzan wrote: ↑April 27th, 2019, 4:42 pm Autism isn't a disease, it isn't something that you can simply cure; its either a mental disorder (what is the line of thought nowadays) or simply a completely natural recessive phenomenon within the human genotype. At its core, a kid or adult who is on the Autism Spectrum simply processes information differently than most others. Of course, those differences often manifest in abnormal behaviors. Autism has its advantages and disadvantages.

Please stop treating it like it is universally some awful thing. Yes, there are some negative aspects of being autistic, but there are quite often a number of benefits to being autistic as well (depending on the severity and the specifics of the condition of course). Autism is a part of who we are on this Earth, and while we can learn to adapt and cope with the negativities that come from being autistic, it isn't something that can be changed or "cured;" rather it is something that can be compensated for by the Holy Spirit.

It absolutely astounds me to read such a confident answer as to what Autism is. "A natural recessive phenomenon?" Could you then please explain to me why this phenomenon and behaviors are new?

Why would I explain it, when I have no context as to what specifically needs explaining? What exactly makes you think the phenomenon and behaviors are specifically what's new, and not the observation and understanding of the phenomenon as being separate conditions from other mental/developmental disorders? What makes you assume that Autism isn't fundamentally natural in nature (IE a part of our genetics)? An increase in the concentration of people with a high number of Autistic traits among the human population doesn't necessarily mean that Autism is unnatural.

And what makes you think I am "so confident" in my limited and brief assessment? Why the heck does everyone always assume I am confident in my post whenever they read one of my posts meant primarily to inform? Its called the art presentation my friend. Just cause I present something as fact, doesn't necessarily mean that how I present it is an accurate or complete assessment of what exactly I believe about it. IE, I may not be as confident in my explanation as you interpret how I said what I said. Or I may actually be more confident in my judgment.

FYI, I must remind you that I do exhibit traits that would and have defined me as being on the Autism Spectrum (as a person with Asperger Syndrome), and I have quite a few family members and friends who have displayed traits and behaviors that are distinctly autistic as well. So I do have some first-hand experience with the "phenomenon" as you put it.

JohnnyL wrote: ↑April 28th, 2019, 12:31 pm Autism has been cured--many times, different methods. This is FACT.

Dr. Carley cured autism by removing toxins, mostly aluminum (from vaccines): all of her websites were scrubbed from both the internet AND the Wayback Machine, probably the day she "died". Search her name, you can still find other websites that talk about her, and some that might have more about it, such as here: https://www.vaccinefree.info/dr-rebecca-carley.html

The Peak States Institute does it with energy healing: https://www.peakstates.com/autism_longterm.html

Others have used homeopathy: http://www.impossiblecure.com/showstories.php

For more info, you can check out other alternative health websites. You'll likely never hear a "cure" case on a Western medicine website.

Durzan wrote: ↑April 28th, 2019, 8:29 pm

JohnnyL wrote: ↑April 28th, 2019, 12:31 pm Autism has been cured--many times, different methods. This is FACT.

Dr. Carley cured autism by removing toxins, mostly aluminum (from vaccines): all of her websites were scrubbed from both the internet AND the Wayback Machine, probably the day she "died". Search her name, you can still find other websites that talk about her, and some that might have more about it, such as here: https://www.vaccinefree.info/dr-rebecca-carley.html

The Peak States Institute does it with energy healing: https://www.peakstates.com/autism_longterm.html

Others have used homeopathy: http://www.impossiblecure.com/showstories.php

For more info, you can check out other alternative health websites. You'll likely never hear a "cure" case on a Western medicine website.

1. From a scientific standpoint, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. If Dr. Carley's material was scrubbed and she is dead, then at best the notion of her being able to cure autism via the removal of toxins is inconclusive at best. Conspiracies are notoriously hard to prove.

2. The many experiments cited as establishing a link between aluminum and autism are inconclusive as well, considering the papers were later redacted because of at least a few issues that put the results in doubt. From what I heard, the experiments lacked control factors, among other problems.

3. Energy Healing is not exactly reliable, and by mentioning it in relation to this subject, you lost most of your credibility.mFrom a scientific standpoint is unreliable and dubious in the nature of its effectiveness and reliability, from a spiritual standpoint it has earned the denouncement/cautionary warning of at least one apostle during General Conference in recent years (https://www.lds.org/general-conference/ ... 1?lang=eng), and from an economic standpoint is often associated with frauds, scams, and extortion. Not exactly the best thing to put your trust or faith in, even if modern western medicine is half as corrupt as you and others on this forum seem to believe.

4. What the heck is homeopathy? Probably another form of pseudo-science. Only weakly credible at best.

5. This is the internet. Not everything that you can find online is going to be true. In fact, most of the stuff on the internet probably is partially or completely untrue, exaggerated or underemphasized, taken out of context, or deliberately spun in some form or fashion. You mean like these links from the internet that you posted?

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Re: Toxins and Autism, Not Genetics or Bad Parenting, Sheesh!
Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:48 pm

Non-conclusive. Many of these studies have been retracted.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 3417300417
This article has been retracted at the request of the Editor-in-Chief and Authors, due to evidence of incorrect data. The data of gel images in several figures (Fig. 2A and C and Fig. 4 A, B, C and D) are incorrectly presented. Given that the authors can no longer access the original gels and it would be necessary to redo the experiments, it is concluded that the data and results presented in this paper are clearly not reliable. In light of these concerns, the Editor-in-Chief and Authors have jointly decided to retract the article. The scientific community takes a very strong view on this matter and apologies are offered to readers of the journal that this was not detected during the preparation and submission process.
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/ ... study-data

https://retractionwatch.com/2017/12/13/ ... es-autism/ If I cannot trust official scientific papers, government websites, and other more traditionally reputable sources, what makes you think it is wise for me to trust some random almost-unknown website or a random blogger? Conspiracies are a never-ending rabbit-hole that is often propelled by leaps and gaps in logic that make the theory far more likely to be untrue than true; and while I am wary of what is officially publicized, I am far more wary of information peddled by lesser-known individuals.

6. The various forms of Autism Spectrum Disorders have been found to be directly linked to at least 18 different genes and have been known to be demonstrably hereditary in nature (it has a tendency to run in the family, as personal experience has dictated) for at least the past decade, if not far longer.

7. There is a general direct association between the age of the mother at a child's birth and the likelihood of developing mental or developmental disorders,including the various forms of Autism Spectrum Disorders. Since in the US, parents are often waiting until they are older to have children, it is reasonable to assume that this is at least one plausible cause that factors into the observed increase in Autistic individuals. Other factors may also contribute.

Durzan wrote: ↑April 28th, 2019, 8:29 pm

JohnnyL wrote: ↑April 28th, 2019, 12:31 pm Autism has been cured--many times, different methods. This is FACT.

Dr. Carley cured autism by removing toxins, mostly aluminum (from vaccines): all of her websites were scrubbed from both the internet AND the Wayback Machine, probably the day she "died". Search her name, you can still find other websites that talk about her, and some that might have more about it, such as here: https://www.vaccinefree.info/dr-rebecca-carley.html

The Peak States Institute does it with energy healing: https://www.peakstates.com/autism_longterm.html

Others have used homeopathy: http://www.impossiblecure.com/showstories.php

For more info, you can check out other alternative health websites. You'll likely never hear a "cure" case on a Western medicine website.

1. From a scientific standpoint, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. If Dr. Carley's material was scrubbed and she is dead, then at best the notion of her being able to cure autism via the removal of toxins is inconclusive at best. Conspiracies are notoriously hard to prove.

2. The many experiments cited as establishing a link between aluminum and autism are inconclusive as well, considering the papers were later redacted because of at least a few issues that put the results in doubt. From what I heard, the experiments lacked control factors, among other problems.

3. Energy Healing is not exactly reliable, and by mentioning it in relation to this subject, you lost most of your credibility.mFrom a scientific standpoint is unreliable and dubious in the nature of its effectiveness and reliability, from a spiritual standpoint it has earned the denouncement/cautionary warning of at least one apostle during General Conference in recent years (https://www.lds.org/general-conference/ ... 1?lang=eng), and from an economic standpoint is often associated with frauds, scams, and extortion. Not exactly the best thing to put your trust or faith in, even if modern western medicine is half as corrupt as you and others on this forum seem to believe.

4. What the heck is homeopathy? Probably another form of pseudo-science. Only weakly credible at best.

5. This is the internet. Not everything that you can find online is going to be true. In fact, most of the stuff on the internet probably is partially or completely untrue, exaggerated or underemphasized, taken out of context, or deliberately spun in some form or fashion. If I cannot trust official scientific papers, government websites, and other more traditionally reputable sources, what makes you think it is wise for me to trust some random almost-unknown website or a random blogger? Conspiracies are a never-ending rabbit-hole that is often propelled by leaps and gaps in logic that make the theory far more likely to be untrue than true; and while I am wary of what is officially publicized, I am far more wary of information peddled by lesser-known individuals.

6. The various forms of Autism Spectrum Disorders have been found to be directly linked to at least 18 different genes and have been known to be demonstrably hereditary in nature (it has a tendency to run in the family, as personal experience has dictated) for at least the past decade, if not far longer.

7. There is a general direct association between the age of the mother at a child's birth and the likelihood of developing mental or developmental disorders,including the various forms of Autism Spectrum Disorders. Since in the US, parents are often waiting until they are older to have children, it is reasonable to assume that this is at least one plausible cause that factors into the observed increase in Autistic individuals. Other factors may also contribute.