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JohnnyL wrote: ↑April 28th, 2019, 9:49 pm

Durzan wrote: ↑April 28th, 2019, 8:29 pm

JohnnyL wrote: ↑April 28th, 2019, 12:31 pm Autism has been cured--many times, different methods. This is FACT.

Dr. Carley cured autism by removing toxins, mostly aluminum (from vaccines): all of her websites were scrubbed from both the internet AND the Wayback Machine, probably the day she "died". Search her name, you can still find other websites that talk about her, and some that might have more about it, such as here: https://www.vaccinefree.info/dr-rebecca-carley.html

The Peak States Institute does it with energy healing: https://www.peakstates.com/autism_longterm.html

Others have used homeopathy: http://www.impossiblecure.com/showstories.php

For more info, you can check out other alternative health websites. You'll likely never hear a "cure" case on a Western medicine website.

1. From a scientific standpoint, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. If Dr. Carley's material was scrubbed and she is dead, then at best the notion of her being able to cure autism via the removal of toxins is inconclusive at best. Conspiracies are notoriously hard to prove.

2. The many experiments cited as establishing a link between aluminum and autism are inconclusive as well, considering the papers were later redacted because of at least a few issues that put the results in doubt. From what I heard, the experiments lacked control factors, among other problems.

3. Energy Healing is not exactly reliable, and by mentioning it in relation to this subject, you lost most of your credibility.mFrom a scientific standpoint is unreliable and dubious in the nature of its effectiveness and reliability, from a spiritual standpoint it has earned the denouncement/cautionary warning of at least one apostle during General Conference in recent years (https://www.lds.org/general-conference/ ... 1?lang=eng), and from an economic standpoint is often associated with frauds, scams, and extortion. Not exactly the best thing to put your trust or faith in, even if modern western medicine is half as corrupt as you and others on this forum seem to believe.

4. What the heck is homeopathy? Probably another form of pseudo-science. Only weakly credible at best.

5. This is the internet. Not everything that you can find online is going to be true. In fact, most of the stuff on the internet probably is partially or completely untrue, exaggerated or underemphasized, taken out of context, or deliberately spun in some form or fashion. If I cannot trust official scientific papers, government websites, and other more traditionally reputable sources, what makes you think it is wise for me to trust some random almost-unknown website or a random blogger? Conspiracies are a never-ending rabbit-hole that is often propelled by leaps and gaps in logic that make the theory far more likely to be untrue than true; and while I am wary of what is officially publicized, I am far more wary of information peddled by lesser-known individuals.

6. The various forms of Autism Spectrum Disorders have been found to be directly linked to at least 18 different genes and have been known to be demonstrably hereditary in nature (it has a tendency to run in the family, as personal experience has dictated) for at least the past decade, if not far longer.

7. There is a general direct association between the age of the mother at a child's birth and the likelihood of developing mental or developmental disorders,including the various forms of Autism Spectrum Disorders. Since in the US, parents are often waiting until they are older to have children, it is reasonable to assume that this is at least one plausible cause that factors into the observed increase in Autistic individuals. Other factors may also contribute.

I skipped most of this response, as I could tell by the first line and the last paragraph that it would have been somewhat pointless; someone with intellectual honesty and maturity likely would have read the links I posted.

Wow, not everything I read on the internet is true? 20+ years of using it, and I learned something new! ;( So are you saying all these things you are referring to aren't true, or did you mean that in a one-sided way? [See how pointless to me that was??]

"...it is reasonable to assume that this is at least one plausible cause that factors into the observed increase in Autistic individuals".
Yes, I agree that it would be "REASONABLE to ASSUME that this is AT LEAST ONE PLAUSIBLE cause that FACTORS into..." But, see all those "not science" parts of that sentence?

Glad I have my own life, where I can decide to actually heal myself and others through the discoveries, sacrifice, vigilance, and goodness of others; instead of reaping the rewards (cough, cough) of companies and individuals spending decades and billions of dollars trying to beat the heck out of "scientific study" till it's a fine bloody pulp, and still not have found a "cure", much less a "help", for _______ (cancer, diabetes, MS, fill in the blank as you'd like); "but be patient, donate more $, we'll get there yet!"

Autism can be healed. It's a fact. It's been done, multiple times, and plenty of documentation is there for "Western science is God" people. But that would never help anyway, right? It's so much easier to just Big Brother or Pharisee it and say it didn't happen, or that it was a lie, or the devil did it, or scrub people's work, or say that the healers and the people they healed never even existed, or just make it "vanish" with the wave of a hand. It's easier on the cognitive dissonance that way, yet it leaves one in darkness. And there is so much darkness nowadays because of this way of "thinking"/ not thinking. This current belief, method, and societal paradigm is non-sustainable in a free world.

You usually show a lot more intellectual depth than this response showed. Your response on the other thread showed it.

harakim wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 3:09 pm

JohnnyL wrote: ↑April 28th, 2019, 9:49 pm

Durzan wrote: ↑April 28th, 2019, 8:29 pm

JohnnyL wrote: ↑April 28th, 2019, 12:31 pm Autism has been cured--many times, different methods. This is FACT.

Dr. Carley cured autism by removing toxins, mostly aluminum (from vaccines): all of her websites were scrubbed from both the internet AND the Wayback Machine, probably the day she "died". Search her name, you can still find other websites that talk about her, and some that might have more about it, such as here: https://www.vaccinefree.info/dr-rebecca-carley.html

The Peak States Institute does it with energy healing: https://www.peakstates.com/autism_longterm.html

Others have used homeopathy: http://www.impossiblecure.com/showstories.php

For more info, you can check out other alternative health websites. You'll likely never hear a "cure" case on a Western medicine website.

1. From a scientific standpoint, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. If Dr. Carley's material was scrubbed and she is dead, then at best the notion of her being able to cure autism via the removal of toxins is inconclusive at best. Conspiracies are notoriously hard to prove.

2. The many experiments cited as establishing a link between aluminum and autism are inconclusive as well, considering the papers were later redacted because of at least a few issues that put the results in doubt. From what I heard, the experiments lacked control factors, among other problems.

3. Energy Healing is not exactly reliable, and by mentioning it in relation to this subject, you lost most of your credibility.mFrom a scientific standpoint is unreliable and dubious in the nature of its effectiveness and reliability, from a spiritual standpoint it has earned the denouncement/cautionary warning of at least one apostle during General Conference in recent years (https://www.lds.org/general-conference/ ... 1?lang=eng), and from an economic standpoint is often associated with frauds, scams, and extortion. Not exactly the best thing to put your trust or faith in, even if modern western medicine is half as corrupt as you and others on this forum seem to believe.

4. What the heck is homeopathy? Probably another form of pseudo-science. Only weakly credible at best.

5. This is the internet. Not everything that you can find online is going to be true. In fact, most of the stuff on the internet probably is partially or completely untrue, exaggerated or underemphasized, taken out of context, or deliberately spun in some form or fashion. If I cannot trust official scientific papers, government websites, and other more traditionally reputable sources, what makes you think it is wise for me to trust some random almost-unknown website or a random blogger? Conspiracies are a never-ending rabbit-hole that is often propelled by leaps and gaps in logic that make the theory far more likely to be untrue than true; and while I am wary of what is officially publicized, I am far more wary of information peddled by lesser-known individuals.

6. The various forms of Autism Spectrum Disorders have been found to be directly linked to at least 18 different genes and have been known to be demonstrably hereditary in nature (it has a tendency to run in the family, as personal experience has dictated) for at least the past decade, if not far longer.

7. There is a general direct association between the age of the mother at a child's birth and the likelihood of developing mental or developmental disorders,including the various forms of Autism Spectrum Disorders. Since in the US, parents are often waiting until they are older to have children, it is reasonable to assume that this is at least one plausible cause that factors into the observed increase in Autistic individuals. Other factors may also contribute.

I skipped most of this response, as I could tell by the first line and the last paragraph that it would have been somewhat pointless; someone with intellectual honesty and maturity likely would have read the links I posted.

Wow, not everything I read on the internet is true? 20+ years of using it, and I learned something new! ;( So are you saying all these things you are referring to aren't true, or did you mean that in a one-sided way? [See how pointless to me that was??]

"...it is reasonable to assume that this is at least one plausible cause that factors into the observed increase in Autistic individuals".
Yes, I agree that it would be "REASONABLE to ASSUME that this is AT LEAST ONE PLAUSIBLE cause that FACTORS into..." But, see all those "not science" parts of that sentence?

Glad I have my own life, where I can decide to actually heal myself and others through the discoveries, sacrifice, vigilance, and goodness of others; instead of reaping the rewards (cough, cough) of companies and individuals spending decades and billions of dollars trying to beat the heck out of "scientific study" till it's a fine bloody pulp, and still not have found a "cure", much less a "help", for _______ (cancer, diabetes, MS, fill in the blank as you'd like); "but be patient, donate more $, we'll get there yet!"

Autism can be healed. It's a fact. It's been done, multiple times, and plenty of documentation is there for "Western science is God" people. But that would never help anyway, right? It's so much easier to just Big Brother or Pharisee it and say it didn't happen, or that it was a lie, or the devil did it, or scrub people's work, or say that the healers and the people they healed never even existed, or just make it "vanish" with the wave of a hand. It's easier on the cognitive dissonance that way, yet it leaves one in darkness. And there is so much darkness nowadays because of this way of "thinking"/ not thinking. This current belief, method, and societal paradigm is non-sustainable in a free world.

You usually show a lot more intellectual depth than this response showed. Your response on the other thread showed it.

His facts are backed up by the priests of science.