LDS Freedom Forum

markharr wrote: ↑April 15th, 2019, 7:03 am

simpleton wrote: ↑April 14th, 2019, 11:36 pm We are right now, eating and drinking in the spirit of Babylon. But not only that, we are also partaking of the spirit of Sodom and Gomorrah. We are literally doing what Brigham Young foresaw in his dream. You cannot tell a latter day saint from any other typical gentile, infact we go out of our way to fit into the fashions of Babylon. So as he also said " to your tents oh Isreal", maybe thats what we should literally do, go and completely abandon this society and live in tents amongst the Indians. Pick some tribe out in the sticks that has not been infiltrated by the white man, Mexico or south America....

But hey, I like the "good life" of all the conveniences of this modern society so I dont see me going anywhere. But no question, we are not in Zion at all.

I hear lots of people saying this, and nobody leading the way.

Maybe one of us should attempt to LEAD. See where that gets us:

1) We are seen as out-of-step with the Brethren.
2) We are accused of trying to set ourselves up as a light.
3) Too difficult to motivate people, as they are already on a comprehensive program.

The leadership has gotten pretty air-tight control over the flock. No room for any other voices, especially ones proposing difficult things.

"To you tents!!!" - Sorry, zoning laws prohibit such occupation of even private land.

Everything we say under our breath is heard and recorded by our smart phones.

We are in a prison, of sorts, and I don't see much way out of it, unless you want to go down in a landslide of conflict where you loose everything, including your family.

Maybe it's really so that we should just listen to the simple directions of the Brethren and everything will be okay. In my gut, I suspect we may all be toast.

In other news, more members of the church probably watched Game of Thrones this weekend than watched General Conference the weekend before.

Kinda makes ya wanna vomit, don't it?

Chip wrote: ↑April 15th, 2019, 9:58 am

markharr wrote: ↑April 15th, 2019, 7:03 am

simpleton wrote: ↑April 14th, 2019, 11:36 pm We are right now, eating and drinking in the spirit of Babylon. But not only that, we are also partaking of the spirit of Sodom and Gomorrah. We are literally doing what Brigham Young foresaw in his dream. You cannot tell a latter day saint from any other typical gentile, infact we go out of our way to fit into the fashions of Babylon. So as he also said " to your tents oh Isreal", maybe thats what we should literally do, go and completely abandon this society and live in tents amongst the Indians. Pick some tribe out in the sticks that has not been infiltrated by the white man, Mexico or south America....

But hey, I like the "good life" of all the conveniences of this modern society so I dont see me going anywhere. But no question, we are not in Zion at all.

I hear lots of people saying this, and nobody leading the way.

Maybe one of us should attempt to LEAD. See where that gets us:

1) We are seen as out-of-step with the Brethren.
2) We are accused of trying to set ourselves up as a light.
3) Too difficult to motivate people, as they are already on a comprehensive program.

The leadership has gotten pretty air-tight control over the flock. No room for any other voices, especially ones proposing difficult things.

"To you tents!!!" - Sorry, zoning laws prohibit such occupation of even private land.

Everything we say under our breath is heard and recorded by our smart phones.

We are in a prison, of sorts, and I don't see much way out of it, unless you want to go down in a landslide of conflict where you loose everything, including your family.

Maybe it's really so that we should just listen to the simple directions of the Brethren and everything will be okay. In my gut, I suspect we may all be toast.

It can't just be 'one of us'. It has to be a Moses, or a Lehi. It has to be someone called of god.

That is the prophet, or at very least someone called by the prophet.

iWriteStuff wrote: ↑April 15th, 2019, 10:01 am In other news, more members of the church probably watched Game of Thrones this weekend than watched General Conference the weekend before.

Kinda makes ya wanna vomit, don't it?

Not this one.
I don't even know what Game of Thrones is about.
I'm not trying to boast, I'm far from perfect.
But I quit television a couple of years ago and my life is better for it.

Heck.... I don’t know one Bishop who has the intestinal fortitude to preach hellfire and damnation even when they know it’s what the ward needs to hear.

.... probably because once it got back to the SP and Area 70, bye bye to that Bishop....
(Can’t rock the boat...)

JK4Woods wrote: ↑April 15th, 2019, 8:47 pm Heck.... I don’t know one Bishop who has the intestinal fortitude to preach hellfire and damnation even when they know it’s what the ward needs to hear.

.... probably because once it got back to the SP and Area 70, bye bye to that Bishop....
(Can’t rock the boat...)

It's the same in our area. We hear nothing but praise and flattery from our bishop and stake president - "You are all SO wonderful!" "We have the BEST members anywhere!" Etc. ad nauseum. It's been the same for all of the bishops/stake presidents we've had here in the last 31 years - the younger they are, the more they praise and flatter - and they're getting younger and younger. All is well, yea verily.

JK4Woods wrote: ↑April 15th, 2019, 8:47 pm Heck.... I don’t know one Bishop who has the intestinal fortitude to preach hellfire and damnation even when they know it’s what the ward needs to hear.

.... probably because once it got back to the SP and Area 70, bye bye to that Bishop....
(Can’t rock the boat...)

I did it a few times.
Some people were visibly uncomfortable and didn't speak to me for a while, others sent me messages thanking me for saying what needed to be said.

EmmaLee wrote: ↑April 15th, 2019, 9:04 pm

JK4Woods wrote: ↑April 15th, 2019, 8:47 pm Heck.... I don’t know one Bishop who has the intestinal fortitude to preach hellfire and damnation even when they know it’s what the ward needs to hear.

.... probably because once it got back to the SP and Area 70, bye bye to that Bishop....
(Can’t rock the boat...)

It's the same in our area. We hear nothing but praise and flattery from our bishop and stake president - "You are all SO wonderful!" "We have the BEST members anywhere!" Etc. ad nauseum. It's been the same for all of the bishops/stake presidents we've had here in the last 31 years - the younger they are, the more they praise and flatter - and they're getting younger and younger. All is well, yea verily.

We hear that also, all the time. "Oh, the Stake Presidency sends their love, they love you so much, blah blah blah."

I have taken to remarking to people, "yes, they say that, but they never visit".

In Los Angeles, the stake president not only visited, he brought an area 70 with him.

Here, they just don't visit, even tho' it's small town, etc. Oh well ...
dc

Remember what happened when President Benson said that women should put motherhood first as well as families should avoid birth control for selfish reasons?

The Mormons living in the Great and Spacious Building had a fit.

When I joined the Church the young women, Laurels in those days, were shown anti-abortion videos during meetings. Nowadays I doubt most young people know the Church stance on abortion. So we have a generation that has grown up with a fluffy concept of the Gospel so when the Church does issue any statements they have to walk on eggshells so as not to offend them.

This is why I give it a 50-50 chance that in 20 years time you may have a bishop in your ward who is married to a man.

I believe we are only a few years away from fully accepting gay-married couples as members in good standing. We will try to hold our ground on sealings, but........

David13 wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 5:49 am
We hear that also, all the time. "Oh, the Stake Presidency sends their love, they love you so much, blah blah blah."

I've now been serving on the Stake High Council for 6 months. Not once have I heard the SP express his love for the members and ask us to pass it on to the them. So I don't.
However, I have heard my colleagues on the HC do it.

Robin Hood wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 9:16 am

David13 wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 5:49 am
We hear that also, all the time. "Oh, the Stake Presidency sends their love, they love you so much, blah blah blah."

I've now been serving on the Stake High Council for 6 months. Not once have I heard the SP express his love for the members and ask us to pass it on to the them. So I don't.
However, I have heard my colleagues on the HC do it.

My bishop told us in tithing settlement that the Stake Presidency knows us. We looked at each other, then back at the bishop, and said "He greets me like a stranger every time I run into him. And you say he knows us?" I don't really expect us to be besties that hang out on the weekend or anything, but if every time I see him he asks my name, obviously he doesn't know me too well.

Personally, I kinda prefer that over "Ah, Br. IWS. I remember you. Repent, ya filthy heathen!"

It’s just like the post that was on here about the man whose wife was so offended by President Nelson’s talk during General Conference about repentance. She was so offended to hear him talk about the man who wanted to live his life carefree and do whatever essentially in this life but then would hope someone would do his saving ordinances for him and how President Nelson said he didn’t think that’s the way it worked. He talked openly and bluntly about it and people are up in arms and so offended that he’s essentially not saying that everyone is going to be accepted into the kingdom of God. People don’t want to hear truth.

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 6:32 am I believe we are only a few years away from fully accepting gay-married couples as members in good standing.

And when it happens, no one will thank you for calling it out beforehand.

Things can change quickly.

Robin Hood wrote: ↑April 15th, 2019, 7:10 am

David13 wrote: ↑April 14th, 2019, 3:21 pm

Robin Hood wrote: ↑April 14th, 2019, 12:42 pm

David13 wrote: ↑April 14th, 2019, 12:15 pm

Apparently he has some major flaws, but yes, he does speak. One of the things he has said is that he is (perhaps now) barred from entering Great Britain.

And that could be based on statements he made there previously.
dc

He's been banned from a number of countries including Canada, UK, other Europeans countries, and some African ones. He has also been beaten up by US border patrol.

Someone facing that kind of opposition usually speaks a great deal of truth.

In the 'documentary' I saw about him he says himself that homos should kill themselves. No, they should repent. They can and should repent and sin no more.

He says that since he is 'saved' he can never lose that salvation. We don't believe that. We don't believe that once you obtain salvation, you can sin all you want, and it doesn't matter.

I didn't watch the whole video. But I don't agree it's all truth.
dc

Of course. His theology is going to be off in some regards because he is a Independent Fundamental Baptist.

With regards to homosexuals, he believes the Biblical teaching regarding reprobates. The NT clearly indicates that reprobates are unable, or perhaps more accurately, totally unwilling, to repent; and that they glory in their sin. It is this to which he is referring.
Under the OT homosexuals were put to death. This was because God wanted no filthiness in Israel. Pastor Anderson is referring to this in his suicide comment.

So were adulterers, fornicators and blasphemers.

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 6:32 am I believe we are only a few years away from fully accepting gay-married couples as members in good standing. We will try to hold our ground on sealings, but........

One can only hope.

RocknRoll wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 2:58 pm

Robin Hood wrote: ↑April 15th, 2019, 7:10 am

David13 wrote: ↑April 14th, 2019, 3:21 pm

Robin Hood wrote: ↑April 14th, 2019, 12:42 pm

He's been banned from a number of countries including Canada, UK, other Europeans countries, and some African ones. He has also been beaten up by US border patrol.

Someone facing that kind of opposition usually speaks a great deal of truth.

In the 'documentary' I saw about him he says himself that homos should kill themselves. No, they should repent. They can and should repent and sin no more.

He says that since he is 'saved' he can never lose that salvation. We don't believe that. We don't believe that once you obtain salvation, you can sin all you want, and it doesn't matter.

I didn't watch the whole video. But I don't agree it's all truth.
dc

Of course. His theology is going to be off in some regards because he is a Independent Fundamental Baptist.

With regards to homosexuals, he believes the Biblical teaching regarding reprobates. The NT clearly indicates that reprobates are unable, or perhaps more accurately, totally unwilling, to repent; and that they glory in their sin. It is this to which he is referring.
Under the OT homosexuals were put to death. This was because God wanted no filthiness in Israel. Pastor Anderson is referring to this in his suicide comment.

So were adulterers, fornicators and blasphemers.

And your point is.....

Robin Hood wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 4:03 pm

RocknRoll wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 2:58 pm

Robin Hood wrote: ↑April 15th, 2019, 7:10 am

David13 wrote: ↑April 14th, 2019, 3:21 pm


In the 'documentary' I saw about him he says himself that homos should kill themselves. No, they should repent. They can and should repent and sin no more.

He says that since he is 'saved' he can never lose that salvation. We don't believe that. We don't believe that once you obtain salvation, you can sin all you want, and it doesn't matter.

I didn't watch the whole video. But I don't agree it's all truth.
dc

Of course. His theology is going to be off in some regards because he is a Independent Fundamental Baptist.

With regards to homosexuals, he believes the Biblical teaching regarding reprobates. The NT clearly indicates that reprobates are unable, or perhaps more accurately, totally unwilling, to repent; and that they glory in their sin. It is this to which he is referring.
Under the OT homosexuals were put to death. This was because God wanted no filthiness in Israel. Pastor Anderson is referring to this in his suicide comment.

So were adulterers, fornicators and blasphemers.

And your point is.....

I’ve said similar things and my point is why treat homosexuals different than we treat fornicators and adulterers.

It’s a sin, it’s not okay, but neither is adultery and fornication.

About half-of-americas-pastors-are-afraid-to-speak-out-about-controversial-topics. And I add that many Mormons are the same way.

While at a city park a while back I met a young man wearing a "Team Jesus" T-shirt. He was also smoking a "funny, strange" cigar. And I told him that by him smoking a cigar meant to make him high that it didn't match his T-shirt. He looked down at his shirt and stated that I was right. He didn't get mad or upset, merely acknowledged I was right. I suppose it could have gone different but, nevertheless, and in essence I spoke out against what he was doing, and that Jesus didn't like the opposite messages to whatever statement he was trying to send out.

In the Book of Mormon we read:

Mosiah 18:9
9 Yea, and are willing to mourn with those that mourn; yea, and comfort those that stand in need of comfort, and to stand as witnesses of God at all times and in all things, and in all places that ye may be in, even until death, that ye may be redeemed of God, and be numbered with those of the first resurrection, that ye may have eternal life—

I, for one, want eternal life.

Stahura wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 4:18 pm

Robin Hood wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 4:03 pm

RocknRoll wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 2:58 pm

Robin Hood wrote: ↑April 15th, 2019, 7:10 am

Of course. His theology is going to be off in some regards because he is a Independent Fundamental Baptist.

With regards to homosexuals, he believes the Biblical teaching regarding reprobates. The NT clearly indicates that reprobates are unable, or perhaps more accurately, totally unwilling, to repent; and that they glory in their sin. It is this to which he is referring.
Under the OT homosexuals were put to death. This was because God wanted no filthiness in Israel. Pastor Anderson is referring to this in his suicide comment.

So were adulterers, fornicators and blasphemers.

And your point is.....

I’ve said similar things and my point is why treat homosexuals different than we treat fornicators and adulterers.

It’s a sin, it’s not okay, but neither is adultery and fornication.

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you.
The thread is mainly about what pastors are teaching, not what we are teaching.

Christianity is dying, at least in North America, Australia and Europe, because pastors have been silenced on the issue of birth control, reproduction and families.

Who silenced them?

Fiannan wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 11:07 am Christianity is dying, at least in North America, Australia and Europe, because pastors have been silenced on the issue of birth control, reproduction and families.

Who silenced them?

Those pushing political correctness, those seeking evil over good and crooked politicians, all who are following the whisperings of Satan coming from all directions including their own ears.

The terms of the 501c3 have muzzled the churches who accepted the arrangement. Mark Taylor (Trump Prophecy guy) says that God told him that the 501c3 is a contract with Ba'al.

Apparently the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints sees fit to accept the terms of the 501c3. I think it is important that those of us involved in the freedom battle understand why. I don't know why, although I have my personal opinion, in which I am confident mostly because of similar opinions of people who's opinions I take seriously. I urge others to consider why the Church goes along with the 501c3.

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 6:32 am I believe we are only a few years away from fully accepting gay-married couples as members in good standing. We will try to hold our ground on sealings, but........

Is this wishful thinking? Who told us that the Lord's church would condone this?

What's next, live, in the flesh gay sealings in our temples?