LDS Freedom Forum

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 3:55 pm

Hosh4710 wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 2:59 pm

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 9:03 am

Hosh4710 wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 8:44 am

But the warnings and cries of repentance are never for the WHOLE church? Just for certain individuals?

Do we have the sealed plates? Have we established zion?

Are there still many many saints striving with all their heart for these things? Are the leaders honest in heart, full of Charity and speaking on behalf of the lord? Does the church still have the authority the keys and the vehicle for the fullness of the gospel and it’s blessings?

I choose to have hope and faith and sustain and support the leaders that this church will prepare the world for the Lord’s return, rather than rail on perceived weakness, create division, and sit around and wait for something else all the while crying that we need a servant to set the church in order. How about we all just do what the leaders are asking. REPENT!

I get it. Before I had a change of heart and viewed things the way I used to, I would have said the same thing. I would have rejected anything that sounded negative against the church or its leaders. I never realized that by rejecting what I thought was negative, I was rejecting the very thing that was holding me back from receiving more of Gods word. Sometimes its ok to focus on the negative. Maybe the negative is not always "negative", we just perceive it that way because it threatens what we have spent our whole lives believing.

Can I ask you just one more question? You say that the Church as a whole (including its leaders) are not who these warnings are for. You say that there will never be another people who take the torch and run with it, but it will be us (the gentiles) who continue with the torch through the tribulation and on to build Zion. Can you please just consider the following:

3 Nephi 16

10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

11 And then will I remember my covenant which I have made unto my people, O house of Israel, and I will bring my gospel unto them.

13 But if the Gentiles will repent and return unto me, saith the Father, behold they shall be numbered among my people, O house of Israel.

15 But If they will not turn unto me, and hearken unto my voice, I will suffer them, yea, I will suffer my people, O house of Israel, that they shall go through among them, and shall tread them down, and they shall be as salt that hath lost its savor, which is thenceforth good for nothing but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of my people, O house of Israel.

I have to ask you... WHO IS THE SALT?

D&C 101

39 When men are called unto mine everlasting gospel, and covenant with an everlasting covenant, they are accounted as the salt of the earth and the savor of men;

40 They are called to be the savor of men; therefore, if that salt of the earth lose its savor, behold, it is thenceforth good for nothing only to be cast out and trodden under the feet of men.

Can you PLEASE prayerfully consider this? The Salt always has, and always will refer to Gods Covenant people. Re-read that last verse I posted from 3 Nephi 16. It is so clear that we are the salt. He is not referring to "the other Gentile churches", He is speaking to the Gentiles that are the Salt. He says that If the Gentiles do not repent, THEY SHALL BE AS SALT THAT HAS LOST ITS SAVOR. In that very chapter we then read what will happen next! The gospel will be taken from among us and given back to THEM. Who is them?

Please do not pawn this off as Gileadi rhetoric. This is not from Gileadi, this is directly word for word in 3 Nephi 16. It could not be more clear. Will you please at least consider it? Even if it sounds negative, would it really hurt to pray about it?

It is clear to you who have made up your mind, but you forgot to highlight the part of the verse that makes it clear who this particular scripture is referring to.

3 Nephi 16

10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

Are the leaders of this church full of pride, lyings, deceits, mischief, hypocrisy, MURDERS, priestcrafts WHOREDOMS, and SECRET ABOMINATIONS, and reject the gospel of Jesus CHRIST?

Do you know many members murdering and a part of secret abominations? And I will pray, that you may be able to discern truth from error.

Hosh4710 wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 6:22 pm

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 3:55 pm

Hosh4710 wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 2:59 pm

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 9:03 am

Do we have the sealed plates? Have we established zion?

Are there still many many saints striving with all their heart for these things? Are the leaders honest in heart, full of Charity and speaking on behalf of the lord? Does the church still have the authority the keys and the vehicle for the fullness of the gospel and it’s blessings?

I choose to have hope and faith and sustain and support the leaders that this church will prepare the world for the Lord’s return, rather than rail on perceived weakness, create division, and sit around and wait for something else all the while crying that we need a servant to set the church in order. How about we all just do what the leaders are asking. REPENT!

I get it. Before I had a change of heart and viewed things the way I used to, I would have said the same thing. I would have rejected anything that sounded negative against the church or its leaders. I never realized that by rejecting what I thought was negative, I was rejecting the very thing that was holding me back from receiving more of Gods word. Sometimes its ok to focus on the negative. Maybe the negative is not always "negative", we just perceive it that way because it threatens what we have spent our whole lives believing.

Can I ask you just one more question? You say that the Church as a whole (including its leaders) are not who these warnings are for. You say that there will never be another people who take the torch and run with it, but it will be us (the gentiles) who continue with the torch through the tribulation and on to build Zion. Can you please just consider the following:

3 Nephi 16

10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

11 And then will I remember my covenant which I have made unto my people, O house of Israel, and I will bring my gospel unto them.

13 But if the Gentiles will repent and return unto me, saith the Father, behold they shall be numbered among my people, O house of Israel.

15 But If they will not turn unto me, and hearken unto my voice, I will suffer them, yea, I will suffer my people, O house of Israel, that they shall go through among them, and shall tread them down, and they shall be as salt that hath lost its savor, which is thenceforth good for nothing but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of my people, O house of Israel.

I have to ask you... WHO IS THE SALT?

D&C 101

39 When men are called unto mine everlasting gospel, and covenant with an everlasting covenant, they are accounted as the salt of the earth and the savor of men;

40 They are called to be the savor of men; therefore, if that salt of the earth lose its savor, behold, it is thenceforth good for nothing only to be cast out and trodden under the feet of men.

Can you PLEASE prayerfully consider this? The Salt always has, and always will refer to Gods Covenant people. Re-read that last verse I posted from 3 Nephi 16. It is so clear that we are the salt. He is not referring to "the other Gentile churches", He is speaking to the Gentiles that are the Salt. He says that If the Gentiles do not repent, THEY SHALL BE AS SALT THAT HAS LOST ITS SAVOR. In that very chapter we then read what will happen next! The gospel will be taken from among us and given back to THEM. Who is them?

Please do not pawn this off as Gileadi rhetoric. This is not from Gileadi, this is directly word for word in 3 Nephi 16. It could not be more clear. Will you please at least consider it? Even if it sounds negative, would it really hurt to pray about it?

It is clear to you who have made up your mind, but you forgot to highlight the part of the verse that makes it clear who this particular scripture is referring to.

3 Nephi 16

10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

Are the leaders of this church full of pride, lyings, deceits, mischief, hypocrisy, MURDERS, priestcrafts WHOREDOMS, and SECRET ABOMINATIONS, and reject the gospel of Jesus CHRIST?

Do you know many members murdering and a part of secret abominations? And I will pray, that you may be able to discern truth from error.

You sure are good at avoiding questions. This chapter says there are a people in the last days who are the SALT and they will lose there savor. Then the Gospel will be taken from among them and given to another. Who will the gospel be taken from? THE SALT. Who else could this be in the last days? What other candidate is there? I listed D&C 101 as a reference to you can't avoid the definition of what it means to be the Salt. You claim its not us, then who?? Can you answer this? If you can't, then maybe its worth looking into.

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 11:11 am

I AM wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 10:45 am

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 9:03 am

Hosh4710 wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 8:44 am

But the warnings and cries of repentance are never for the WHOLE church? Just for certain individuals?

Do we have the sealed plates? Have we established zion?

Are there still many many saints striving with all their heart for these things? Are the leaders honest in heart, full of Charity and speaking on behalf of the lord? Does the church still have the authority the keys and the vehicle for the fullness of the gospel and it’s blessings?

I choose to have hope and faith and sustain and support the leaders that this church will prepare the world for the Lord’s return, rather than rail on perceived weakness, create division, and sit around and wait for something else all the while crying that we need a servant to set the church in order. How about we all just do what the leaders are asking. REPENT!

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you know, you are a piece of work.
DO YOU EVEN READ THE SCRIPTURES !
NO ! I didn't think so.

Is this really warranted? Don’t be upset if I don’t agree with your Avraham Gileadi interpretation of Isaiah. I have full faith and confidence that the leaders who have been called will warn us and have warned us of destruction that will come our way if we don’t make changes. Let’s not forget “time is running out”

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 6:34 pm

Hosh4710 wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 6:22 pm

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 3:55 pm

Hosh4710 wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 2:59 pm

I get it. Before I had a change of heart and viewed things the way I used to, I would have said the same thing. I would have rejected anything that sounded negative against the church or its leaders. I never realized that by rejecting what I thought was negative, I was rejecting the very thing that was holding me back from receiving more of Gods word. Sometimes its ok to focus on the negative. Maybe the negative is not always "negative", we just perceive it that way because it threatens what we have spent our whole lives believing.

Can I ask you just one more question? You say that the Church as a whole (including its leaders) are not who these warnings are for. You say that there will never be another people who take the torch and run with it, but it will be us (the gentiles) who continue with the torch through the tribulation and on to build Zion. Can you please just consider the following:

3 Nephi 16

10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

11 And then will I remember my covenant which I have made unto my people, O house of Israel, and I will bring my gospel unto them.

13 But if the Gentiles will repent and return unto me, saith the Father, behold they shall be numbered among my people, O house of Israel.

15 But If they will not turn unto me, and hearken unto my voice, I will suffer them, yea, I will suffer my people, O house of Israel, that they shall go through among them, and shall tread them down, and they shall be as salt that hath lost its savor, which is thenceforth good for nothing but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of my people, O house of Israel.

I have to ask you... WHO IS THE SALT?

D&C 101

39 When men are called unto mine everlasting gospel, and covenant with an everlasting covenant, they are accounted as the salt of the earth and the savor of men;

40 They are called to be the savor of men; therefore, if that salt of the earth lose its savor, behold, it is thenceforth good for nothing only to be cast out and trodden under the feet of men.

Can you PLEASE prayerfully consider this? The Salt always has, and always will refer to Gods Covenant people. Re-read that last verse I posted from 3 Nephi 16. It is so clear that we are the salt. He is not referring to "the other Gentile churches", He is speaking to the Gentiles that are the Salt. He says that If the Gentiles do not repent, THEY SHALL BE AS SALT THAT HAS LOST ITS SAVOR. In that very chapter we then read what will happen next! The gospel will be taken from among us and given back to THEM. Who is them?

Please do not pawn this off as Gileadi rhetoric. This is not from Gileadi, this is directly word for word in 3 Nephi 16. It could not be more clear. Will you please at least consider it? Even if it sounds negative, would it really hurt to pray about it?

It is clear to you who have made up your mind, but you forgot to highlight the part of the verse that makes it clear who this particular scripture is referring to.

3 Nephi 16

10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

Are the leaders of this church full of pride, lyings, deceits, mischief, hypocrisy, MURDERS, priestcrafts WHOREDOMS, and SECRET ABOMINATIONS, and reject the gospel of Jesus CHRIST?

Do you know many members murdering and a part of secret abominations? And I will pray, that you may be able to discern truth from error.

You sure are good at avoiding questions. This chapter says there are a people in the last days who are the SALT and they will lose there savor. Then the Gospel will be taken from among them and given to another. Who will the gospel be taken from? THE SALT. Who else could this be in the last days? What other candidate is there? I listed D&C 101 as a reference to you can't avoid the definition of what it means to be the Salt. You claim its not us, then who?? Can you answer this? If you can't, then maybe its worth looking into.

The gospel will be taken from the gentile nation, I’ve already answered this.

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 3:55 pm

Hosh4710 wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 2:59 pm

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 9:03 am

Hosh4710 wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 8:44 am

But the warnings and cries of repentance are never for the WHOLE church? Just for certain individuals?

Do we have the sealed plates? Have we established zion?

Are there still many many saints striving with all their heart for these things? Are the leaders honest in heart, full of Charity and speaking on behalf of the lord? Does the church still have the authority the keys and the vehicle for the fullness of the gospel and it’s blessings?

I choose to have hope and faith and sustain and support the leaders that this church will prepare the world for the Lord’s return, rather than rail on perceived weakness, create division, and sit around and wait for something else all the while crying that we need a servant to set the church in order. How about we all just do what the leaders are asking. REPENT!

I get it. Before I had a change of heart and viewed things the way I used to, I would have said the same thing. I would have rejected anything that sounded negative against the church or its leaders. I never realized that by rejecting what I thought was negative, I was rejecting the very thing that was holding me back from receiving more of Gods word. Sometimes its ok to focus on the negative. Maybe the negative is not always "negative", we just perceive it that way because it threatens what we have spent our whole lives believing.

Can I ask you just one more question? You say that the Church as a whole (including its leaders) are not who these warnings are for. You say that there will never be another people who take the torch and run with it, but it will be us (the gentiles) who continue with the torch through the tribulation and on to build Zion. Can you please just consider the following:

3 Nephi 16

10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

11 And then will I remember my covenant which I have made unto my people, O house of Israel, and I will bring my gospel unto them.

13 But if the Gentiles will repent and return unto me, saith the Father, behold they shall be numbered among my people, O house of Israel.

15 But If they will not turn unto me, and hearken unto my voice, I will suffer them, yea, I will suffer my people, O house of Israel, that they shall go through among them, and shall tread them down, and they shall be as salt that hath lost its savor, which is thenceforth good for nothing but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of my people, O house of Israel.

I have to ask you... WHO IS THE SALT?

D&C 101

39 When men are called unto mine everlasting gospel, and covenant with an everlasting covenant, they are accounted as the salt of the earth and the savor of men;

40 They are called to be the savor of men; therefore, if that salt of the earth lose its savor, behold, it is thenceforth good for nothing only to be cast out and trodden under the feet of men.

Can you PLEASE prayerfully consider this? The Salt always has, and always will refer to Gods Covenant people. Re-read that last verse I posted from 3 Nephi 16. It is so clear that we are the salt. He is not referring to "the other Gentile churches", He is speaking to the Gentiles that are the Salt. He says that If the Gentiles do not repent, THEY SHALL BE AS SALT THAT HAS LOST ITS SAVOR. In that very chapter we then read what will happen next! The gospel will be taken from among us and given back to THEM. Who is them?

Please do not pawn this off as Gileadi rhetoric. This is not from Gileadi, this is directly word for word in 3 Nephi 16. It could not be more clear. Will you please at least consider it? Even if it sounds negative, would it really hurt to pray about it?

It is clear to you who have made up your mind, but you forgot to highlight the part of the verse that makes it clear who this particular scripture is referring to.

3 Nephi 16

10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

Are the leaders of this church full of pride, lyings, deceits, mischief, hypocrisy, MURDERS, priestcrafts WHOREDOMS, and SECRET ABOMINATIONS, and reject the gospel of Jesus CHRIST?

Do you know many members murdering and a part of secret abominations? And I will pray, that you may be able to discern truth from error.

I AM wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 6:45 pm

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 11:11 am

I AM wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 10:45 am

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 9:03 am

Do we have the sealed plates? Have we established zion?

Are there still many many saints striving with all their heart for these things? Are the leaders honest in heart, full of Charity and speaking on behalf of the lord? Does the church still have the authority the keys and the vehicle for the fullness of the gospel and it’s blessings?

I choose to have hope and faith and sustain and support the leaders that this church will prepare the world for the Lord’s return, rather than rail on perceived weakness, create division, and sit around and wait for something else all the while crying that we need a servant to set the church in order. How about we all just do what the leaders are asking. REPENT!

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you know, you are a piece of work.
DO YOU EVEN READ THE SCRIPTURES !
NO ! I didn't think so.

Is this really warranted? Don’t be upset if I don’t agree with your Avraham Gileadi interpretation of Isaiah. I have full faith and confidence that the leaders who have been called will warn us and have warned us of destruction that will come our way if we don’t make changes. Let’s not forget “time is running out”

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amazing !
and I'm not upset at all,
and if Gileadi's interpretation is sooooo wrong, I would really like to hear the correct interpretation,
(at least according to you) - this ought to be good.

and you said "I have full faith and confidence that the leaders who have been called will warn us "

HOW ? in the World can they warn us when we are not receiving revelation ? !
The scriptures are warning them, and us; and
WHY WOULD THE LORD WANT TO WARN US OF THE TRIBULATIONS AND JUDGMENTS AND DESTRUCTION
THAT IS COMING - WHEN IT US THEY ARE COMING UPON ! ! !

All our scriptures are so FULL OF WARNINGS FOR US
and you, like most members think they don't apply to you -
you are special - you are a member of the restored gospel,
so how could they be talking about you.
amazing !
you sit back asleep and say:
2 Nephi 28:21,24,25
21 And others will he pacify,
and lull them away into carnal security,
that they will say: All is well in Zion;
yea, Zion prospereth, all is well—
and thus the devil cheateth their souls,
and leadeth them away carefully down to hell.
24 Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!
25 Wo be unto him that crieth: All is well!

- Isn't it time to wake up ! WAKE UP !

2 Nephi 1:13
13 O that ye would awake; awake from a deep sleep, yea,
even from the sleep of hell,
and shake off the awful chains by which ye are bound,
which are the chains which bind
the children of men, that they are carried away captive down
to the eternal gulf of misery and woe.


Why as members do we always feel that
the sun revolves around us.
Just because we have the restored gospel.
That, just as the children of Abraham said:
"we are the children of Abraham that God
has covenanted with and that he would bless
his seed forever."
Us members say -
"We have the restored gospel and it will
never be taken from the earth again."

Matthew 3:9 (KJV)
9 And think not to say within yourselves,
We have Abraham to our father:
for I say unto you, that God is able
of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

It won't be taken from the earth again.
The Lord will take it FROM us.

Isaiah 49:3 1 Nephi 21:3
3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant,
O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
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We had our chance.
The gospel and the power and authority is now
going back to the House of Israel

"I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them."

3 Nephi 16:10,11,12
10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father,
I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

11 And then will I remember my covenant which I have made unto my people, O house of Israel, and I will bring my gospel unto them.
12 And I will show unto thee, O house of Israel, that the Gentiles shall not have power over you; but I will remember my covenant unto you, O house of Israel, and ye shall come unto the knowledge of the fulness of my gospel.
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I've already gone over this in great lengths in this forum before
and don't want to waste my time on this every time someone comes along
and thinks just because they're a member and then from the House of Israel
that none of the things mentioned in our scriptures about Gentiles apply
to them.
This is ridiculous, and really shows that they are proud, as members are,
and haven't really studied the scriptures.

I've posted this before.

The Times of the Gentiles is coming to an end.
When the arm of the Lord falls on the Gentiles, and the church
for falling short of the great responsibilities of have the restored gospel,
and the judgments we were warned about in the Book of Mormon
begin on the church and come down upon the church and the rest of the Gentiles in America,
and then the World,
you will know with certainty that you ARE a Gentile.

A Latter-day LDS Leader has stated “We are those Gentiles of whom Nephi speaks. We have received in this age of restoration the fulness of the everlasting gospel. It is now beginning to go from us to the Lamanites and to the Jews. But the great day of the Lamanites and the great day of the Jews both lie ahead…” (McConkie, Millennial Messiah, p 238)

"If we are to accept the blessings pronounced to the “Gentiles” in the Book of Mormon, should we not seriously consider the warnings to the “Gentiles” that are pronounced throughout the Book of Mormon?
The following is Jesus Christ speaking to the Latter-day Gentiles…"


THIS PROVES - FOR NOW - THE CHURCH AND IT'S MEMBERS ARE GENTILES

At that day WHEN the Gentiles shall reject my gospel.
Can you reject a gift not offered you?
Only the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has had the fulness of the gospel revealed to them,
so only we can reject it?

Jesus doesn't say "if" - He says"WHEN"
3 Nephi 16
10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

Christ didn't only say "sin against my gospel", but he continued and said -
" and shall reject the fulness of my gospel"
Why does He make this distinction ?
So I ask you, how can a non-member or a person that knows nothing of the Book of Mormon
"reject the fulness of my gospel" ?

D&C 45:28-31
28 And when the times of the Gentiles is come in, a light shall break forth among them that sit in darkness, and it shall be the fulness of my gospel;
29 BUT THEY RECEIVE IT NOT;
for they perceive not the light, and they turn their hearts from me because of the precepts of men.
30 And in that generation shall the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
31 And there shall be men standing in that generation, that shall not pass until they shall see an overflowing scourge; for a desolating sickness shall cover the land.

I AM wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 6:51 pm

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 3:55 pm

Hosh4710 wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 2:59 pm

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 9:03 am

Do we have the sealed plates? Have we established zion?

Are there still many many saints striving with all their heart for these things? Are the leaders honest in heart, full of Charity and speaking on behalf of the lord? Does the church still have the authority the keys and the vehicle for the fullness of the gospel and it’s blessings?

I choose to have hope and faith and sustain and support the leaders that this church will prepare the world for the Lord’s return, rather than rail on perceived weakness, create division, and sit around and wait for something else all the while crying that we need a servant to set the church in order. How about we all just do what the leaders are asking. REPENT!

I get it. Before I had a change of heart and viewed things the way I used to, I would have said the same thing. I would have rejected anything that sounded negative against the church or its leaders. I never realized that by rejecting what I thought was negative, I was rejecting the very thing that was holding me back from receiving more of Gods word. Sometimes its ok to focus on the negative. Maybe the negative is not always "negative", we just perceive it that way because it threatens what we have spent our whole lives believing.

Can I ask you just one more question? You say that the Church as a whole (including its leaders) are not who these warnings are for. You say that there will never be another people who take the torch and run with it, but it will be us (the gentiles) who continue with the torch through the tribulation and on to build Zion. Can you please just consider the following:

3 Nephi 16

10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

11 And then will I remember my covenant which I have made unto my people, O house of Israel, and I will bring my gospel unto them.

13 But if the Gentiles will repent and return unto me, saith the Father, behold they shall be numbered among my people, O house of Israel.

15 But If they will not turn unto me, and hearken unto my voice, I will suffer them, yea, I will suffer my people, O house of Israel, that they shall go through among them, and shall tread them down, and they shall be as salt that hath lost its savor, which is thenceforth good for nothing but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of my people, O house of Israel.

I have to ask you... WHO IS THE SALT?

D&C 101

39 When men are called unto mine everlasting gospel, and covenant with an everlasting covenant, they are accounted as the salt of the earth and the savor of men;

40 They are called to be the savor of men; therefore, if that salt of the earth lose its savor, behold, it is thenceforth good for nothing only to be cast out and trodden under the feet of men.

Can you PLEASE prayerfully consider this? The Salt always has, and always will refer to Gods Covenant people. Re-read that last verse I posted from 3 Nephi 16. It is so clear that we are the salt. He is not referring to "the other Gentile churches", He is speaking to the Gentiles that are the Salt. He says that If the Gentiles do not repent, THEY SHALL BE AS SALT THAT HAS LOST ITS SAVOR. In that very chapter we then read what will happen next! The gospel will be taken from among us and given back to THEM. Who is them?

Please do not pawn this off as Gileadi rhetoric. This is not from Gileadi, this is directly word for word in 3 Nephi 16. It could not be more clear. Will you please at least consider it? Even if it sounds negative, would it really hurt to pray about it?

It is clear to you who have made up your mind, but you forgot to highlight the part of the verse that makes it clear who this particular scripture is referring to.

3 Nephi 16

10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

Are the leaders of this church full of pride, lyings, deceits, mischief, hypocrisy, MURDERS, priestcrafts WHOREDOMS, and SECRET ABOMINATIONS, and reject the gospel of Jesus CHRIST?

Do you know many members murdering and a part of secret abominations? And I will pray, that you may be able to discern truth from error.

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"At that day WHEN the Gentiles shall reject the fulness of my gospel"
Can you reject a gift not offered you?
Only the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has had the fulness of the gospel revealed to them,
so only we can reject it?

Jesus doesn't say "if" - He says"WHEN"
3 Nephi 16
10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

Christ didn't only say "sin against my gospel", but he continued and said -
" and shall reject the fulness of my gospel"
Why does He make this distinction ?
So I ask you, how can a non-member or a person that knows nothing of the Book of Mormon
"reject the fulness of my gospel" ?

D&C 45:28-31
28 And when the times of the Gentiles is come in, a light shall break forth among them that sit in darkness, and it shall be the fulness of my gospel;
29 BUT THEY RECEIVE IT NOT;
for they perceive not the light, and they turn their hearts from me because of the precepts of men.
30 And in that generation shall the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
31 And there shall be men standing in that generation, that shall not pass until they shall see an overflowing scourge; for a desolating sickness shall cover the land.

I AM wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 6:45 pm

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 11:11 am

I AM wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 10:45 am

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 9:03 am

Do we have the sealed plates? Have we established zion?

Are there still many many saints striving with all their heart for these things? Are the leaders honest in heart, full of Charity and speaking on behalf of the lord? Does the church still have the authority the keys and the vehicle for the fullness of the gospel and it’s blessings?

I choose to have hope and faith and sustain and support the leaders that this church will prepare the world for the Lord’s return, rather than rail on perceived weakness, create division, and sit around and wait for something else all the while crying that we need a servant to set the church in order. How about we all just do what the leaders are asking. REPENT!

-------------
you know, you are a piece of work.
DO YOU EVEN READ THE SCRIPTURES !
NO ! I didn't think so.

Is this really warranted? Don’t be upset if I don’t agree with your Avraham Gileadi interpretation of Isaiah. I have full faith and confidence that the leaders who have been called will warn us and have warned us of destruction that will come our way if we don’t make changes. Let’s not forget “time is running out”

------------
amazing !
and I'm not upset at all,
and if Gileadi's interpretation is sooooo wrong, I would really like to hear the correct interpretation,
(at least according to you) - this ought to be good.

and you said "I have full faith and confidence that the leaders who have been called will warn us "

HOW ? in the World can they warn us when we are not receiving revelation ? !
The scriptures are warning them, and us; and
WHY WOULD THE LORD WANT TO WARN US OF THE TRIBULATIONS AND JUDGMENTS AND DESTRUCTION
THAT IS COMING - WHEN IT US THEY ARE COMING UPON ! ! !

All our scriptures are so FULL OF WARNINGS FOR US
and you, like most members think they don't apply to you -
you are special - you are a member of the restored gospel,
so how could they be talking about you.
amazing !
you sit back asleep and say:
2 Nephi 28:21,24,25
21 And others will he pacify,
and lull them away into carnal security,
that they will say: All is well in Zion;
yea, Zion prospereth, all is well—
and thus the devil cheateth their souls,
and leadeth them away carefully down to hell.
24 Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!
25 Wo be unto him that crieth: All is well!

- Isn't it time to wake up ! WAKE UP !
Listen to conference, none of the leaders are preaching this, in fact the opposite, REPENT

2 Nephi 1:13
13 O that ye would awake; awake from a deep sleep, yea,
even from the sleep of hell,
and shake off the awful chains by which ye are bound,
which are the chains which bind
the children of men, that they are carried away captive down
to the eternal gulf of misery and woe.


Why as members do we always feel that
the sun revolves around us.
Just because we have the restored gospel.
Hasty Generalization I would say we have been taught and believe that we have an obligation to warn our neighbor and we are only as good as the sincerity of our repentance.
That, just as the children of Abraham said:
"we are the children of Abraham that God
has covenanted with and that he would bless
his seed forever."
Us members say -
"We have the restored gospel and it will
never be taken from the earth again."


Matthew 3:9 (KJV)
9 And think not to say within yourselves,
We have Abraham to our father:
for I say unto you, that God is able
of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

It won't be taken from the earth again.
The Lord will take it FROM us.

Isaiah 49:3 1 Nephi 21:3
3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant,
O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
---------------------------------------------------------
We had our chance.
The gospel and the power and authority is now
going back to the House of Israel

"I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them."
The gentile nation not the leadership of the church

3 Nephi 16:10,11,12
10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father,
I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.
See above and an even more obvious scripture that this is referring to the gentile nation in light of the leadership not guilty of these things despite some very weak attempts at making others think so.

11 And then will I remember my covenant which I have made unto my people, O house of Israel, and I will bring my gospel unto them.
12 And I will show unto thee, O house of Israel, that the Gentiles shall not have power over you; but I will remember my covenant unto you, O house of Israel, and ye shall come unto the knowledge of the fulness of my gospel.
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viewtopic.php?f=14&t=50834&p=915790&hil ... er#p915790

I've already gone over this in great lengths in this forum before
and don't want to waste my time on this every time someone comes along
and thinks just because they're a member and then from the House of Israel
that none of the things mentioned in our scriptures about Gentiles apply
to them.
This is ridiculous, and really shows that they are proud, as members are,
and haven't really studied the scriptures.
Yes I will agree you keep trying to pound this square peg into a circle but sometimes folks don't agree because it does not fit

I've posted this before.

The Times of the Gentiles is coming to an end.
When the arm of the Lord falls on the Gentiles, and the church
for falling short of the great responsibilities of have the restored gospel,
and the judgments we were warned about in the Book of Mormon
begin on the church and come down upon the church and the rest of the Gentiles in America,
and then the World,
you will know with certainty that you ARE a Gentile.

A Latter-day LDS Leader has stated “We are those Gentiles of whom Nephi speaks. We have received in this age of restoration the fulness of the everlasting gospel. It is now beginning to go from us to the Lamanites and to the Jews. But the great day of the Lamanites and the great day of the Jews both lie ahead…” (McConkie, Millennial Messiah, p 238) Yes there are multiple definitions of the word in the book of mormon and if you understand anything about how Nephi classifies the people of the world you will see how this makes sense.

"If we are to accept the blessings pronounced to the “Gentiles” in the Book of Mormon, should we not seriously consider the warnings to the “Gentiles” that are pronounced throughout the Book of Mormon?
The following is Jesus Christ speaking to the Latter-day Gentiles…"


THIS PROVES - FOR NOW - THE CHURCH AND IT'S MEMBERS ARE GENTILES

At that day WHEN the Gentiles shall reject my gospel.
Can you reject a gift not offered you?
Only the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has had the fulness of the gospel revealed to them,
so only we can reject it?
Certainly easy to see how this applies to the gentile nation

Jesus doesn't say "if" - He says"WHEN"
3 Nephi 16
10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

Christ didn't only say "sin against my gospel", but he continued and said -
" and shall reject the fulness of my gospel"
Why does He make this distinction ?
So I ask you, how can a non-member or a person that knows nothing of the Book of Mormon
"reject the fulness of my gospel" ?
If you have ever served a mission you will see how they reject the fullness of the gospel all the time

D&C 45:28-31
28 And when the times of the Gentiles is come in, a light shall break forth among them that sit in darkness, and it shall be the fulness of my gospel;
29 BUT THEY RECEIVE IT NOT;
for they perceive not the light, and they turn their hearts from me because of the precepts of men.
30 And in that generation shall the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
31 And there shall be men standing in that generation, that shall not pass until they shall see an overflowing scourge; for a desolating sickness shall cover the land.

I AM wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 6:45 pm

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 11:11 am

I AM wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 10:45 am

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 9:03 am

Do we have the sealed plates? Have we established zion?

Are there still many many saints striving with all their heart for these things? Are the leaders honest in heart, full of Charity and speaking on behalf of the lord? Does the church still have the authority the keys and the vehicle for the fullness of the gospel and it’s blessings?

I choose to have hope and faith and sustain and support the leaders that this church will prepare the world for the Lord’s return, rather than rail on perceived weakness, create division, and sit around and wait for something else all the while crying that we need a servant to set the church in order. How about we all just do what the leaders are asking. REPENT!

-------------
you know, you are a piece of work.
DO YOU EVEN READ THE SCRIPTURES !
NO ! I didn't think so.

Is this really warranted? Don’t be upset if I don’t agree with your Avraham Gileadi interpretation of Isaiah. I have full faith and confidence that the leaders who have been called will warn us and have warned us of destruction that will come our way if we don’t make changes. Let’s not forget “time is running out”

------------
amazing !
and I'm not upset at all,
and if Gileadi's interpretation is sooooo wrong, I would really like to hear the correct interpretation,
(at least according to you) - this ought to be good.

and you said "I have full faith and confidence that the leaders who have been called will warn us "

HOW ? in the World can they warn us when we are not receiving revelation ? !
The scriptures are warning them, and us; and
WHY WOULD THE LORD WANT TO WARN US OF THE TRIBULATIONS AND JUDGMENTS AND DESTRUCTION
THAT IS COMING - WHEN IT US THEY ARE COMING UPON ! ! !

All our scriptures are so FULL OF WARNINGS FOR US
and you, like most members think they don't apply to you -
you are special - you are a member of the restored gospel,
so how could they be talking about you.
amazing !
you sit back asleep and say:
2 Nephi 28:21,24,25
21 And others will he pacify,
and lull them away into carnal security,
that they will say: All is well in Zion;
yea, Zion prospereth, all is well—
and thus the devil cheateth their souls,
and leadeth them away carefully down to hell.
24 Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!
25 Wo be unto him that crieth: All is well!

- Isn't it time to wake up ! WAKE UP !
Listen to conference, none of the leaders are preaching this, in fact the opposite, REPENT

2 Nephi 1:13
13 O that ye would awake; awake from a deep sleep, yea,
even from the sleep of hell,
and shake off the awful chains by which ye are bound,
which are the chains which bind
the children of men, that they are carried away captive down
to the eternal gulf of misery and woe.


Why as members do we always feel that
the sun revolves around us.
Just because we have the restored gospel.
Hasty Generalization I would say we have been taught and believe that we have an obligation to warn our neighbor and we are only as good as the sincerity of our repentance.
That, just as the children of Abraham said:
"we are the children of Abraham that God
has covenanted with and that he would bless
his seed forever."
Us members say -
"We have the restored gospel and it will
never be taken from the earth again."


Matthew 3:9 (KJV)
9 And think not to say within yourselves,
We have Abraham to our father:
for I say unto you, that God is able
of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

It won't be taken from the earth again.
The Lord will take it FROM us.

Isaiah 49:3 1 Nephi 21:3
3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant,
O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
---------------------------------------------------------
We had our chance.
The gospel and the power and authority is now
going back to the House of Israel

"I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them."
The gentile nation not the leadership of the church

3 Nephi 16:10,11,12
10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father,
I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.
See above and an even more obvious scripture that this is referring to the gentile nation in light of the leadership not guilty of these things despite some very weak attempts at making others think so.

11 And then will I remember my covenant which I have made unto my people, O house of Israel, and I will bring my gospel unto them.
12 And I will show unto thee, O house of Israel, that the Gentiles shall not have power over you; but I will remember my covenant unto you, O house of Israel, and ye shall come unto the knowledge of the fulness of my gospel.
--------------

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=50834&p=915790&hil ... er#p915790

I've already gone over this in great lengths in this forum before
and don't want to waste my time on this every time someone comes along
and thinks just because they're a member and then from the House of Israel
that none of the things mentioned in our scriptures about Gentiles apply
to them.
This is ridiculous, and really shows that they are proud, as members are,
and haven't really studied the scriptures.
Yes I will agree you keep trying to pound this square peg into a circle but sometimes folks don't agree because it does not fit

I've posted this before.

The Times of the Gentiles is coming to an end.
When the arm of the Lord falls on the Gentiles, and the church
for falling short of the great responsibilities of have the restored gospel,
and the judgments we were warned about in the Book of Mormon
begin on the church and come down upon the church and the rest of the Gentiles in America,
and then the World,
you will know with certainty that you ARE a Gentile.

A Latter-day LDS Leader has stated “We are those Gentiles of whom Nephi speaks. We have received in this age of restoration the fulness of the everlasting gospel. It is now beginning to go from us to the Lamanites and to the Jews. But the great day of the Lamanites and the great day of the Jews both lie ahead…” (McConkie, Millennial Messiah, p 238) Yes there are multiple definitions of the word in the book of mormon and if you understand anything about how Nephi classifies the people of the world you will see how this makes sense.

"If we are to accept the blessings pronounced to the “Gentiles” in the Book of Mormon, should we not seriously consider the warnings to the “Gentiles” that are pronounced throughout the Book of Mormon?
The following is Jesus Christ speaking to the Latter-day Gentiles…"


THIS PROVES - FOR NOW - THE CHURCH AND IT'S MEMBERS ARE GENTILES

At that day WHEN the Gentiles shall reject my gospel.
Can you reject a gift not offered you?
Only the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has had the fulness of the gospel revealed to them,
so only we can reject it?
Certainly easy to see how this applies to the gentile nation

Jesus doesn't say "if" - He says"WHEN"
3 Nephi 16
10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

Christ didn't only say "sin against my gospel", but he continued and said -
" and shall reject the fulness of my gospel"
Why does He make this distinction ?
So I ask you, how can a non-member or a person that knows nothing of the Book of Mormon
"reject the fulness of my gospel" ?
If you have ever served a mission you will see how they reject the fullness of the gospel all the time

D&C 45:28-31
28 And when the times of the Gentiles is come in, a light shall break forth among them that sit in darkness, and it shall be the fulness of my gospel;
29 BUT THEY RECEIVE IT NOT;
for they perceive not the light, and they turn their hearts from me because of the precepts of men.
30 And in that generation shall the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
31 And there shall be men standing in that generation, that shall not pass until they shall see an overflowing scourge; for a desolating sickness shall cover the land.

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 7:34 pm

I AM wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 6:45 pm

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 11:11 am

I AM wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 10:45 am
-------------
you know, you are a piece of work.
DO YOU EVEN READ THE SCRIPTURES !
NO ! I didn't think so.

Is this really warranted? Don’t be upset if I don’t agree with your Avraham Gileadi interpretation of Isaiah. I have full faith and confidence that the leaders who have been called will warn us and have warned us of destruction that will come our way if we don’t make changes. Let’s not forget “time is running out”

------------
amazing !
and I'm not upset at all,
and if Gileadi's interpretation is sooooo wrong, I would really like to hear the correct interpretation,
(at least according to you) - this ought to be good.

and you said "I have full faith and confidence that the leaders who have been called will warn us "

HOW ? in the World can they warn us when we are not receiving revelation ? !
The scriptures are warning them, and us; and
WHY WOULD THE LORD WANT TO WARN US OF THE TRIBULATIONS AND JUDGMENTS AND DESTRUCTION
THAT IS COMING - WHEN IT US THEY ARE COMING UPON ! ! !

All our scriptures are so FULL OF WARNINGS FOR US
and you, like most members think they don't apply to you -
you are special - you are a member of the restored gospel,
so how could they be talking about you.
amazing !
you sit back asleep and say:
2 Nephi 28:21,24,25
21 And others will he pacify,
and lull them away into carnal security,
that they will say: All is well in Zion;
yea, Zion prospereth, all is well—
and thus the devil cheateth their souls,
and leadeth them away carefully down to hell.
24 Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!
25 Wo be unto him that crieth: All is well!

- Isn't it time to wake up ! WAKE UP !
Listen to conference, none of the leaders are preaching this, in fact the opposite, REPENT

2 Nephi 1:13
13 O that ye would awake; awake from a deep sleep, yea,
even from the sleep of hell,
and shake off the awful chains by which ye are bound,
which are the chains which bind
the children of men, that they are carried away captive down
to the eternal gulf of misery and woe.


Why as members do we always feel that
the sun revolves around us.
Just because we have the restored gospel.
Hasty Generalization I would say we have been taught and believe that we have an obligation to warn our neighbor and we are only as good as the sincerity of our repentance.
That, just as the children of Abraham said:
"we are the children of Abraham that God
has covenanted with and that he would bless
his seed forever."
Us members say -
"We have the restored gospel and it will
never be taken from the earth again."


Matthew 3:9 (KJV)
9 And think not to say within yourselves,
We have Abraham to our father:
for I say unto you, that God is able
of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

It won't be taken from the earth again.
The Lord will take it FROM us.

Isaiah 49:3 1 Nephi 21:3
3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant,
O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
---------------------------------------------------------
We had our chance.
The gospel and the power and authority is now
going back to the House of Israel

"I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them."
The gentile nation not the leadership of the church

3 Nephi 16:10,11,12
10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father,
I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.
See above and an even more obvious scripture that this is referring to the gentile nation in light of the leadership not guilty of these things despite some very weak attempts at making others think so.

11 And then will I remember my covenant which I have made unto my people, O house of Israel, and I will bring my gospel unto them.
12 And I will show unto thee, O house of Israel, that the Gentiles shall not have power over you; but I will remember my covenant unto you, O house of Israel, and ye shall come unto the knowledge of the fulness of my gospel.
--------------

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=50834&p=915790&hil ... er#p915790

I've already gone over this in great lengths in this forum before
and don't want to waste my time on this every time someone comes along
and thinks just because they're a member and then from the House of Israel
that none of the things mentioned in our scriptures about Gentiles apply
to them.
This is ridiculous, and really shows that they are proud, as members are,
and haven't really studied the scriptures.
Yes I will agree you keep trying to pound this square peg into a circle but sometimes folks don't agree because it does not fit

I've posted this before.

The Times of the Gentiles is coming to an end.
When the arm of the Lord falls on the Gentiles, and the church
for falling short of the great responsibilities of have the restored gospel,
and the judgments we were warned about in the Book of Mormon
begin on the church and come down upon the church and the rest of the Gentiles in America,
and then the World,
you will know with certainty that you ARE a Gentile.

A Latter-day LDS Leader has stated “We are those Gentiles of whom Nephi speaks. We have received in this age of restoration the fulness of the everlasting gospel. It is now beginning to go from us to the Lamanites and to the Jews. But the great day of the Lamanites and the great day of the Jews both lie ahead…” (McConkie, Millennial Messiah, p 238) Yes there are multiple definitions of the word in the book of mormon and if you understand anything about how Nephi classifies the people of the world you will see how this makes sense.

"If we are to accept the blessings pronounced to the “Gentiles” in the Book of Mormon, should we not seriously consider the warnings to the “Gentiles” that are pronounced throughout the Book of Mormon?
The following is Jesus Christ speaking to the Latter-day Gentiles…"


THIS PROVES - FOR NOW - THE CHURCH AND IT'S MEMBERS ARE GENTILES

At that day WHEN the Gentiles shall reject my gospel.
Can you reject a gift not offered you?
Only the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has had the fulness of the gospel revealed to them,
so only we can reject it?
Certainly easy to see how this applies to the gentile nation

Jesus doesn't say "if" - He says"WHEN"
3 Nephi 16
10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

Christ didn't only say "sin against my gospel", but he continued and said -
" and shall reject the fulness of my gospel"
Why does He make this distinction ?
So I ask you, how can a non-member or a person that knows nothing of the Book of Mormon
"reject the fulness of my gospel" ?
If you have ever served a mission you will see how they reject the fullness of the gospel all the time

D&C 45:28-31
28 And when the times of the Gentiles is come in, a light shall break forth among them that sit in darkness, and it shall be the fulness of my gospel;
29 BUT THEY RECEIVE IT NOT;
for they perceive not the light, and they turn their hearts from me because of the precepts of men.
30 And in that generation shall the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
31 And there shall be men standing in that generation, that shall not pass until they shall see an overflowing scourge; for a desolating sickness shall cover the land.

There is nothing here, and individuals have an opportunity to gain a witness for themselves about those who lead the church. If they do they will receive truth and hopefully follow the counsel to Gather Israel on both sides of the veil, Start to Establish Zion, and prepare the world for the 2nd coming.

Hosh4710 wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 7:43 pm

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 7:34 pm

I AM wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 6:45 pm

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 11:11 am

Is this really warranted? Don’t be upset if I don’t agree with your Avraham Gileadi interpretation of Isaiah. I have full faith and confidence that the leaders who have been called will warn us and have warned us of destruction that will come our way if we don’t make changes. Let’s not forget “time is running out”

------------
amazing !
and I'm not upset at all,
and if Gileadi's interpretation is sooooo wrong, I would really like to hear the correct interpretation,
(at least according to you) - this ought to be good.

and you said "I have full faith and confidence that the leaders who have been called will warn us "

HOW ? in the World can they warn us when we are not receiving revelation ? !
The scriptures are warning them, and us; and
WHY WOULD THE LORD WANT TO WARN US OF THE TRIBULATIONS AND JUDGMENTS AND DESTRUCTION
THAT IS COMING - WHEN IT US THEY ARE COMING UPON ! ! !

All our scriptures are so FULL OF WARNINGS FOR US
and you, like most members think they don't apply to you -
you are special - you are a member of the restored gospel,
so how could they be talking about you.
amazing !
you sit back asleep and say:
2 Nephi 28:21,24,25
21 And others will he pacify,
and lull them away into carnal security,
that they will say: All is well in Zion;
yea, Zion prospereth, all is well—
and thus the devil cheateth their souls,
and leadeth them away carefully down to hell.
24 Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!
25 Wo be unto him that crieth: All is well!

- Isn't it time to wake up ! WAKE UP !
Listen to conference, none of the leaders are preaching this, in fact the opposite, REPENT

2 Nephi 1:13
13 O that ye would awake; awake from a deep sleep, yea,
even from the sleep of hell,
and shake off the awful chains by which ye are bound,
which are the chains which bind
the children of men, that they are carried away captive down
to the eternal gulf of misery and woe.


Why as members do we always feel that
the sun revolves around us.
Just because we have the restored gospel.
Hasty Generalization I would say we have been taught and believe that we have an obligation to warn our neighbor and we are only as good as the sincerity of our repentance.
That, just as the children of Abraham said:
"we are the children of Abraham that God
has covenanted with and that he would bless
his seed forever."
Us members say -
"We have the restored gospel and it will
never be taken from the earth again."


Matthew 3:9 (KJV)
9 And think not to say within yourselves,
We have Abraham to our father:
for I say unto you, that God is able
of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

It won't be taken from the earth again.
The Lord will take it FROM us.

Isaiah 49:3 1 Nephi 21:3
3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant,
O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
---------------------------------------------------------
We had our chance.
The gospel and the power and authority is now
going back to the House of Israel

"I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them."
The gentile nation not the leadership of the church

3 Nephi 16:10,11,12
10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father,
I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.
See above and an even more obvious scripture that this is referring to the gentile nation in light of the leadership not guilty of these things despite some very weak attempts at making others think so.

11 And then will I remember my covenant which I have made unto my people, O house of Israel, and I will bring my gospel unto them.
12 And I will show unto thee, O house of Israel, that the Gentiles shall not have power over you; but I will remember my covenant unto you, O house of Israel, and ye shall come unto the knowledge of the fulness of my gospel.
--------------

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=50834&p=915790&hil ... er#p915790

I've already gone over this in great lengths in this forum before
and don't want to waste my time on this every time someone comes along
and thinks just because they're a member and then from the House of Israel
that none of the things mentioned in our scriptures about Gentiles apply
to them.
This is ridiculous, and really shows that they are proud, as members are,
and haven't really studied the scriptures.
Yes I will agree you keep trying to pound this square peg into a circle but sometimes folks don't agree because it does not fit

I've posted this before.

The Times of the Gentiles is coming to an end.
When the arm of the Lord falls on the Gentiles, and the church
for falling short of the great responsibilities of have the restored gospel,
and the judgments we were warned about in the Book of Mormon
begin on the church and come down upon the church and the rest of the Gentiles in America,
and then the World,
you will know with certainty that you ARE a Gentile.

A Latter-day LDS Leader has stated “We are those Gentiles of whom Nephi speaks. We have received in this age of restoration the fulness of the everlasting gospel. It is now beginning to go from us to the Lamanites and to the Jews. But the great day of the Lamanites and the great day of the Jews both lie ahead…” (McConkie, Millennial Messiah, p 238) Yes there are multiple definitions of the word in the book of mormon and if you understand anything about how Nephi classifies the people of the world you will see how this makes sense.

"If we are to accept the blessings pronounced to the “Gentiles” in the Book of Mormon, should we not seriously consider the warnings to the “Gentiles” that are pronounced throughout the Book of Mormon?
The following is Jesus Christ speaking to the Latter-day Gentiles…"


THIS PROVES - FOR NOW - THE CHURCH AND IT'S MEMBERS ARE GENTILES

At that day WHEN the Gentiles shall reject my gospel.
Can you reject a gift not offered you?
Only the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has had the fulness of the gospel revealed to them,
so only we can reject it?
Certainly easy to see how this applies to the gentile nation

Jesus doesn't say "if" - He says"WHEN"
3 Nephi 16
10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

Christ didn't only say "sin against my gospel", but he continued and said -
" and shall reject the fulness of my gospel"
Why does He make this distinction ?
So I ask you, how can a non-member or a person that knows nothing of the Book of Mormon
"reject the fulness of my gospel" ?
If you have ever served a mission you will see how they reject the fullness of the gospel all the time

D&C 45:28-31
28 And when the times of the Gentiles is come in, a light shall break forth among them that sit in darkness, and it shall be the fulness of my gospel;
29 BUT THEY RECEIVE IT NOT;
for they perceive not the light, and they turn their hearts from me because of the precepts of men.
30 And in that generation shall the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
31 And there shall be men standing in that generation, that shall not pass until they shall see an overflowing scourge; for a desolating sickness shall cover the land.

There is nothing here, and individuals have an opportunity to gain a witness for themselves about those who lead the church. If they do they will receive truth and hopefully follow the counsel to Gather Israel on both sides of the veil, Start to Establish Zion, and prepare the world for the 2nd coming.

Soooo..... Who is the Salt?

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 7:49 pm

Hosh4710 wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 7:43 pm

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 7:34 pm

I AM wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 6:45 pm
------------
amazing !
and I'm not upset at all,
and if Gileadi's interpretation is sooooo wrong, I would really like to hear the correct interpretation,
(at least according to you) - this ought to be good.

and you said "I have full faith and confidence that the leaders who have been called will warn us "

HOW ? in the World can they warn us when we are not receiving revelation ? !
The scriptures are warning them, and us; and
WHY WOULD THE LORD WANT TO WARN US OF THE TRIBULATIONS AND JUDGMENTS AND DESTRUCTION
THAT IS COMING - WHEN IT US THEY ARE COMING UPON ! ! !

All our scriptures are so FULL OF WARNINGS FOR US
and you, like most members think they don't apply to you -
you are special - you are a member of the restored gospel,
so how could they be talking about you.
amazing !
you sit back asleep and say:
2 Nephi 28:21,24,25
21 And others will he pacify,
and lull them away into carnal security,
that they will say: All is well in Zion;
yea, Zion prospereth, all is well—
and thus the devil cheateth their souls,
and leadeth them away carefully down to hell.
24 Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!
25 Wo be unto him that crieth: All is well!

- Isn't it time to wake up ! WAKE UP !
Listen to conference, none of the leaders are preaching this, in fact the opposite, REPENT

2 Nephi 1:13
13 O that ye would awake; awake from a deep sleep, yea,
even from the sleep of hell,
and shake off the awful chains by which ye are bound,
which are the chains which bind
the children of men, that they are carried away captive down
to the eternal gulf of misery and woe.


Why as members do we always feel that
the sun revolves around us.
Just because we have the restored gospel.
Hasty Generalization I would say we have been taught and believe that we have an obligation to warn our neighbor and we are only as good as the sincerity of our repentance.
That, just as the children of Abraham said:
"we are the children of Abraham that God
has covenanted with and that he would bless
his seed forever."
Us members say -
"We have the restored gospel and it will
never be taken from the earth again."


Matthew 3:9 (KJV)
9 And think not to say within yourselves,
We have Abraham to our father:
for I say unto you, that God is able
of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

It won't be taken from the earth again.
The Lord will take it FROM us.

Isaiah 49:3 1 Nephi 21:3
3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant,
O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
---------------------------------------------------------
We had our chance.
The gospel and the power and authority is now
going back to the House of Israel

"I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them."
The gentile nation not the leadership of the church

3 Nephi 16:10,11,12
10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father,
I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.
See above and an even more obvious scripture that this is referring to the gentile nation in light of the leadership not guilty of these things despite some very weak attempts at making others think so.

11 And then will I remember my covenant which I have made unto my people, O house of Israel, and I will bring my gospel unto them.
12 And I will show unto thee, O house of Israel, that the Gentiles shall not have power over you; but I will remember my covenant unto you, O house of Israel, and ye shall come unto the knowledge of the fulness of my gospel.
--------------

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=50834&p=915790&hil ... er#p915790

I've already gone over this in great lengths in this forum before
and don't want to waste my time on this every time someone comes along
and thinks just because they're a member and then from the House of Israel
that none of the things mentioned in our scriptures about Gentiles apply
to them.
This is ridiculous, and really shows that they are proud, as members are,
and haven't really studied the scriptures.
Yes I will agree you keep trying to pound this square peg into a circle but sometimes folks don't agree because it does not fit

I've posted this before.

The Times of the Gentiles is coming to an end.
When the arm of the Lord falls on the Gentiles, and the church
for falling short of the great responsibilities of have the restored gospel,
and the judgments we were warned about in the Book of Mormon
begin on the church and come down upon the church and the rest of the Gentiles in America,
and then the World,
you will know with certainty that you ARE a Gentile.

A Latter-day LDS Leader has stated “We are those Gentiles of whom Nephi speaks. We have received in this age of restoration the fulness of the everlasting gospel. It is now beginning to go from us to the Lamanites and to the Jews. But the great day of the Lamanites and the great day of the Jews both lie ahead…” (McConkie, Millennial Messiah, p 238) Yes there are multiple definitions of the word in the book of mormon and if you understand anything about how Nephi classifies the people of the world you will see how this makes sense.

"If we are to accept the blessings pronounced to the “Gentiles” in the Book of Mormon, should we not seriously consider the warnings to the “Gentiles” that are pronounced throughout the Book of Mormon?
The following is Jesus Christ speaking to the Latter-day Gentiles…"


THIS PROVES - FOR NOW - THE CHURCH AND IT'S MEMBERS ARE GENTILES

At that day WHEN the Gentiles shall reject my gospel.
Can you reject a gift not offered you?
Only the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has had the fulness of the gospel revealed to them,
so only we can reject it?
Certainly easy to see how this applies to the gentile nation

Jesus doesn't say "if" - He says"WHEN"
3 Nephi 16
10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

Christ didn't only say "sin against my gospel", but he continued and said -
" and shall reject the fulness of my gospel"
Why does He make this distinction ?
So I ask you, how can a non-member or a person that knows nothing of the Book of Mormon
"reject the fulness of my gospel" ?
If you have ever served a mission you will see how they reject the fullness of the gospel all the time

D&C 45:28-31
28 And when the times of the Gentiles is come in, a light shall break forth among them that sit in darkness, and it shall be the fulness of my gospel;
29 BUT THEY RECEIVE IT NOT;
for they perceive not the light, and they turn their hearts from me because of the precepts of men.
30 And in that generation shall the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
31 And there shall be men standing in that generation, that shall not pass until they shall see an overflowing scourge; for a desolating sickness shall cover the land.

There is nothing here, and individuals have an opportunity to gain a witness for themselves about those who lead the church. If they do they will receive truth and hopefully follow the counsel to Gather Israel on both sides of the veil, Start to Establish Zion, and prepare the world for the 2nd coming.

Soooo..... Who is the Salt?

Once again... the gentile nation referred to in the scripture.

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 7:49 pm

Hosh4710 wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 7:43 pm

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 7:34 pm

I AM wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 6:45 pm
------------
amazing !
and I'm not upset at all,
and if Gileadi's interpretation is sooooo wrong, I would really like to hear the correct interpretation,
(at least according to you) - this ought to be good.

and you said "I have full faith and confidence that the leaders who have been called will warn us "

HOW ? in the World can they warn us when we are not receiving revelation ? !
The scriptures are warning them, and us; and
WHY WOULD THE LORD WANT TO WARN US OF THE TRIBULATIONS AND JUDGMENTS AND DESTRUCTION
THAT IS COMING - WHEN IT US THEY ARE COMING UPON ! ! !

All our scriptures are so FULL OF WARNINGS FOR US
and you, like most members think they don't apply to you -
you are special - you are a member of the restored gospel,
so how could they be talking about you.
amazing !
you sit back asleep and say:
2 Nephi 28:21,24,25
21 And others will he pacify,
and lull them away into carnal security,
that they will say: All is well in Zion;
yea, Zion prospereth, all is well—
and thus the devil cheateth their souls,
and leadeth them away carefully down to hell.
24 Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!
25 Wo be unto him that crieth: All is well!

- Isn't it time to wake up ! WAKE UP !
Listen to conference, none of the leaders are preaching this, in fact the opposite, REPENT

2 Nephi 1:13
13 O that ye would awake; awake from a deep sleep, yea,
even from the sleep of hell,
and shake off the awful chains by which ye are bound,
which are the chains which bind
the children of men, that they are carried away captive down
to the eternal gulf of misery and woe.


Why as members do we always feel that
the sun revolves around us.
Just because we have the restored gospel.
Hasty Generalization I would say we have been taught and believe that we have an obligation to warn our neighbor and we are only as good as the sincerity of our repentance.
That, just as the children of Abraham said:
"we are the children of Abraham that God
has covenanted with and that he would bless
his seed forever."
Us members say -
"We have the restored gospel and it will
never be taken from the earth again."


Matthew 3:9 (KJV)
9 And think not to say within yourselves,
We have Abraham to our father:
for I say unto you, that God is able
of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

It won't be taken from the earth again.
The Lord will take it FROM us.

Isaiah 49:3 1 Nephi 21:3
3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant,
O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
---------------------------------------------------------
We had our chance.
The gospel and the power and authority is now
going back to the House of Israel

"I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them."
The gentile nation not the leadership of the church

3 Nephi 16:10,11,12
10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father,
I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.
See above and an even more obvious scripture that this is referring to the gentile nation in light of the leadership not guilty of these things despite some very weak attempts at making others think so.

11 And then will I remember my covenant which I have made unto my people, O house of Israel, and I will bring my gospel unto them.
12 And I will show unto thee, O house of Israel, that the Gentiles shall not have power over you; but I will remember my covenant unto you, O house of Israel, and ye shall come unto the knowledge of the fulness of my gospel.
--------------

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=50834&p=915790&hil ... er#p915790

I've already gone over this in great lengths in this forum before
and don't want to waste my time on this every time someone comes along
and thinks just because they're a member and then from the House of Israel
that none of the things mentioned in our scriptures about Gentiles apply
to them.
This is ridiculous, and really shows that they are proud, as members are,
and haven't really studied the scriptures.
Yes I will agree you keep trying to pound this square peg into a circle but sometimes folks don't agree because it does not fit

I've posted this before.

The Times of the Gentiles is coming to an end.
When the arm of the Lord falls on the Gentiles, and the church
for falling short of the great responsibilities of have the restored gospel,
and the judgments we were warned about in the Book of Mormon
begin on the church and come down upon the church and the rest of the Gentiles in America,
and then the World,
you will know with certainty that you ARE a Gentile.

A Latter-day LDS Leader has stated “We are those Gentiles of whom Nephi speaks. We have received in this age of restoration the fulness of the everlasting gospel. It is now beginning to go from us to the Lamanites and to the Jews. But the great day of the Lamanites and the great day of the Jews both lie ahead…” (McConkie, Millennial Messiah, p 238) Yes there are multiple definitions of the word in the book of mormon and if you understand anything about how Nephi classifies the people of the world you will see how this makes sense.

"If we are to accept the blessings pronounced to the “Gentiles” in the Book of Mormon, should we not seriously consider the warnings to the “Gentiles” that are pronounced throughout the Book of Mormon?
The following is Jesus Christ speaking to the Latter-day Gentiles…"


THIS PROVES - FOR NOW - THE CHURCH AND IT'S MEMBERS ARE GENTILES

At that day WHEN the Gentiles shall reject my gospel.
Can you reject a gift not offered you?
Only the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has had the fulness of the gospel revealed to them,
so only we can reject it?
Certainly easy to see how this applies to the gentile nation

Jesus doesn't say "if" - He says"WHEN"
3 Nephi 16
10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

Christ didn't only say "sin against my gospel", but he continued and said -
" and shall reject the fulness of my gospel"
Why does He make this distinction ?
So I ask you, how can a non-member or a person that knows nothing of the Book of Mormon
"reject the fulness of my gospel" ?
If you have ever served a mission you will see how they reject the fullness of the gospel all the time

D&C 45:28-31
28 And when the times of the Gentiles is come in, a light shall break forth among them that sit in darkness, and it shall be the fulness of my gospel;
29 BUT THEY RECEIVE IT NOT;
for they perceive not the light, and they turn their hearts from me because of the precepts of men.
30 And in that generation shall the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
31 And there shall be men standing in that generation, that shall not pass until they shall see an overflowing scourge; for a desolating sickness shall cover the land.

There is nothing here, and individuals have an opportunity to gain a witness for themselves about those who lead the church. If they do they will receive truth and hopefully follow the counsel to Gather Israel on both sides of the veil, Start to Establish Zion, and prepare the world for the 2nd coming.

Soooo..... Who is the Salt?

Once again... the gentile nation referred to in the scripture.

topcat wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 6:59 pm

I AM wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 6:45 pm

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 11:11 am

I AM wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 10:45 am
-------------
you know, you are a piece of work.
DO YOU EVEN READ THE SCRIPTURES !
NO ! I didn't think so.

Is this really warranted? Don’t be upset if I don’t agree with your Avraham Gileadi interpretation of Isaiah. I have full faith and confidence that the leaders who have been called will warn us and have warned us of destruction that will come our way if we don’t make changes. Let’s not forget “time is running out”

------------
amazing !
and I'm not upset at all,
and if Gileadi's interpretation is sooooo wrong, I would really like to hear the correct interpretation,
(at least according to you) - this ought to be good.

and you said "I have full faith and confidence that the leaders who have been called will warn us "

HOW ? in the World can they warn us when we are not receiving revelation ? !
The scriptures are warning them, and us; and
WHY WOULD THE LORD WANT TO WARN US OF THE TRIBULATIONS AND JUDGMENTS AND DESTRUCTION
THAT IS COMING - WHEN IT US THEY ARE COMING UPON ! ! !

All our scriptures are so FULL OF WARNINGS FOR US
and you, like most members think they don't apply to you -
you are special - you are a member of the restored gospel,
so how could they be talking about you.
amazing !
you sit back asleep and say:
2 Nephi 28:21,24,25
21 And others will he pacify,
and lull them away into carnal security,
that they will say: All is well in Zion;
yea, Zion prospereth, all is well—
and thus the devil cheateth their souls,
and leadeth them away carefully down to hell.
24 Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!
25 Wo be unto him that crieth: All is well!

- Isn't it time to wake up ! WAKE UP !

2 Nephi 1:13
13 O that ye would awake; awake from a deep sleep, yea,
even from the sleep of hell,
and shake off the awful chains by which ye are bound,
which are the chains which bind
the children of men, that they are carried away captive down
to the eternal gulf of misery and woe.


Why as members do we always feel that
the sun revolves around us.
Just because we have the restored gospel.
That, just as the children of Abraham said:
"we are the children of Abraham that God
has covenanted with and that he would bless
his seed forever."
Us members say -
"We have the restored gospel and it will
never be taken from the earth again."

Matthew 3:9 (KJV)
9 And think not to say within yourselves,
We have Abraham to our father:
for I say unto you, that God is able
of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

It won't be taken from the earth again.
The Lord will take it FROM us.

Isaiah 49:3 1 Nephi 21:3
3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant,
O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
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We had our chance.
The gospel and the power and authority is now
going back to the House of Israel

"I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them."

3 Nephi 16:10,11,12
10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father,
I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

11 And then will I remember my covenant which I have made unto my people, O house of Israel, and I will bring my gospel unto them.
12 And I will show unto thee, O house of Israel, that the Gentiles shall not have power over you; but I will remember my covenant unto you, O house of Israel, and ye shall come unto the knowledge of the fulness of my gospel.
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I've already gone over this in great lengths in this forum before
and don't want to waste my time on this every time someone comes along
and thinks just because they're a member and then from the House of Israel
that none of the things mentioned in our scriptures about Gentiles apply
to them.
This is ridiculous, and really shows that they are proud, as members are,
and haven't really studied the scriptures.

I've posted this before.

The Times of the Gentiles is coming to an end.
When the arm of the Lord falls on the Gentiles, and the church
for falling short of the great responsibilities of have the restored gospel,
and the judgments we were warned about in the Book of Mormon
begin on the church and come down upon the church and the rest of the Gentiles in America,
and then the World,
you will know with certainty that you ARE a Gentile.

A Latter-day LDS Leader has stated “We are those Gentiles of whom Nephi speaks. We have received in this age of restoration the fulness of the everlasting gospel. It is now beginning to go from us to the Lamanites and to the Jews. But the great day of the Lamanites and the great day of the Jews both lie ahead…” (McConkie, Millennial Messiah, p 238)

"If we are to accept the blessings pronounced to the “Gentiles” in the Book of Mormon, should we not seriously consider the warnings to the “Gentiles” that are pronounced throughout the Book of Mormon?
The following is Jesus Christ speaking to the Latter-day Gentiles…"


THIS PROVES - FOR NOW - THE CHURCH AND IT'S MEMBERS ARE GENTILES

At that day WHEN the Gentiles shall reject my gospel.
Can you reject a gift not offered you?
Only the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has had the fulness of the gospel revealed to them,
so only we can reject it?

Jesus doesn't say "if" - He says"WHEN"
3 Nephi 16
10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

Christ didn't only say "sin against my gospel", but he continued and said -
" and shall reject the fulness of my gospel"
Why does He make this distinction ?
So I ask you, how can a non-member or a person that knows nothing of the Book of Mormon
"reject the fulness of my gospel" ?

D&C 45:28-31
28 And when the times of the Gentiles is come in, a light shall break forth among them that sit in darkness, and it shall be the fulness of my gospel;
29 BUT THEY RECEIVE IT NOT;
for they perceive not the light, and they turn their hearts from me because of the precepts of men.
30 And in that generation shall the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
31 And there shall be men standing in that generation, that shall not pass until they shall see an overflowing scourge; for a desolating sickness shall cover the land.

Very well organized and well said. The scriptures do speak quite plainly that I feel it's impossible to misunderstand. The only way to misunderstand is to be absolutely sure in your unbelief that the leaders cannot lead us astray. Belief trumps truth every single time.

And if your belief is incorrect, then you will miss out on the truth.

If anybody here thinks that the Gentiles exclude the mainstream LDS Mormons, then please rebut each one of the scriptures contained in this comment. There are several others that you could add as well to prove that we are the Gentiles. But surely this suffices. If you cannot rebut these plain scriptures, then perhaps you might reconsider your belief.

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 7:34 pm

I AM wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 6:45 pm

drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 11:11 am

I AM wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 10:45 am
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you know, you are a piece of work.
DO YOU EVEN READ THE SCRIPTURES !
NO ! I didn't think so.

Is this really warranted? Don’t be upset if I don’t agree with your Avraham Gileadi interpretation of Isaiah. I have full faith and confidence that the leaders who have been called will warn us and have warned us of destruction that will come our way if we don’t make changes. Let’s not forget “time is running out”

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amazing !
and I'm not upset at all,
and if Gileadi's interpretation is sooooo wrong, I would really like to hear the correct interpretation,
(at least according to you) - this ought to be good.

and you said "I have full faith and confidence that the leaders who have been called will warn us "

HOW ? in the World can they warn us when we are not receiving revelation ? !
The scriptures are warning them, and us; and
WHY WOULD THE LORD WANT TO WARN US OF THE TRIBULATIONS AND JUDGMENTS AND DESTRUCTION
THAT IS COMING - WHEN IT US THEY ARE COMING UPON ! ! !

All our scriptures are so FULL OF WARNINGS FOR US
and you, like most members think they don't apply to you -
you are special - you are a member of the restored gospel,
so how could they be talking about you.
amazing !
you sit back asleep and say:
2 Nephi 28:21,24,25
21 And others will he pacify,
and lull them away into carnal security,
that they will say: All is well in Zion;
yea, Zion prospereth, all is well—
and thus the devil cheateth their souls,
and leadeth them away carefully down to hell.
24 Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!
25 Wo be unto him that crieth: All is well!

- Isn't it time to wake up ! WAKE UP !
Listen to conference, none of the leaders are preaching this, in fact the opposite, REPENT

2 Nephi 1:13
13 O that ye would awake; awake from a deep sleep, yea,
even from the sleep of hell,
and shake off the awful chains by which ye are bound,
which are the chains which bind
the children of men, that they are carried away captive down
to the eternal gulf of misery and woe.


Why as members do we always feel that
the sun revolves around us.
Just because we have the restored gospel.
Hasty Generalization I would say we have been taught and believe that we have an obligation to warn our neighbor and we are only as good as the sincerity of our repentance.
That, just as the children of Abraham said:
"we are the children of Abraham that God
has covenanted with and that he would bless
his seed forever."
Us members say -
"We have the restored gospel and it will
never be taken from the earth again."


Matthew 3:9 (KJV)
9 And think not to say within yourselves,
We have Abraham to our father:
for I say unto you, that God is able
of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

It won't be taken from the earth again.
The Lord will take it FROM us.

Isaiah 49:3 1 Nephi 21:3
3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant,
O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
---------------------------------------------------------
We had our chance.
The gospel and the power and authority is now
going back to the House of Israel

"I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them."
The gentile nation not the leadership of the church

3 Nephi 16:10,11,12
10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father,
I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.
See above and an even more obvious scripture that this is referring to the gentile nation in light of the leadership not guilty of these things despite some very weak attempts at making others think so.

11 And then will I remember my covenant which I have made unto my people, O house of Israel, and I will bring my gospel unto them.
12 And I will show unto thee, O house of Israel, that the Gentiles shall not have power over you; but I will remember my covenant unto you, O house of Israel, and ye shall come unto the knowledge of the fulness of my gospel.
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I've already gone over this in great lengths in this forum before
and don't want to waste my time on this every time someone comes along
and thinks just because they're a member and then from the House of Israel
that none of the things mentioned in our scriptures about Gentiles apply
to them.
This is ridiculous, and really shows that they are proud, as members are,
and haven't really studied the scriptures.
Yes I will agree you keep trying to pound this square peg into a circle but sometimes folks don't agree because it does not fit

I've posted this before.

The Times of the Gentiles is coming to an end.
When the arm of the Lord falls on the Gentiles, and the church
for falling short of the great responsibilities of have the restored gospel,
and the judgments we were warned about in the Book of Mormon
begin on the church and come down upon the church and the rest of the Gentiles in America,
and then the World,
you will know with certainty that you ARE a Gentile.

A Latter-day LDS Leader has stated “We are those Gentiles of whom Nephi speaks. We have received in this age of restoration the fulness of the everlasting gospel. It is now beginning to go from us to the Lamanites and to the Jews. But the great day of the Lamanites and the great day of the Jews both lie ahead…” (McConkie, Millennial Messiah, p 238) Yes there are multiple definitions of the word in the book of mormon and if you understand anything about how Nephi classifies the people of the world you will see how this makes sense.

"If we are to accept the blessings pronounced to the “Gentiles” in the Book of Mormon, should we not seriously consider the warnings to the “Gentiles” that are pronounced throughout the Book of Mormon?
The following is Jesus Christ speaking to the Latter-day Gentiles…"


THIS PROVES - FOR NOW - THE CHURCH AND IT'S MEMBERS ARE GENTILES

At that day WHEN the Gentiles shall reject my gospel.
Can you reject a gift not offered you?
Only the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has had the fulness of the gospel revealed to them,
so only we can reject it?
Certainly easy to see how this applies to the gentile nation

Jesus doesn't say "if" - He says"WHEN"
3 Nephi 16
10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

Christ didn't only say "sin against my gospel", but he continued and said -
" and shall reject the fulness of my gospel"
Why does He make this distinction ?
So I ask you, how can a non-member or a person that knows nothing of the Book of Mormon
"reject the fulness of my gospel" ?
If you have ever served a mission you will see how they reject the fullness of the gospel all the time

D&C 45:28-31
28 And when the times of the Gentiles is come in, a light shall break forth among them that sit in darkness, and it shall be the fulness of my gospel;
29 BUT THEY RECEIVE IT NOT;
for they perceive not the light, and they turn their hearts from me because of the precepts of men.
30 And in that generation shall the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
31 And there shall be men standing in that generation, that shall not pass until they shall see an overflowing scourge; for a desolating sickness shall cover the land.

There is nothing here, and individuals have an opportunity to gain a witness for themselves about those who lead the church. If they do they will receive truth and hopefully follow the counsel to Gather Israel on both sides of the veil, Start to Establish Zion, and prepare the world for the 2nd coming. Keys are here to stay until Christ comes.

topcat wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 6:59 pmIf anybody here thinks that the Gentiles exclude the mainstream LDS Mormons, then please rebut each one of the scriptures contained in this comment. There are several others that you could add as well to prove that we are the Gentiles. But surely this suffices. If you cannot rebut these plain scriptures, then perhaps you might reconsider your belief.

topcat wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 7:04 pmWho is the salt? If it's not us Mormons, then who is it? You got to hand it to Jesus. He made sure that Joseph Smith wrote the word WHEN and not IF.

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 8:55 pm

topcat wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 7:04 pmWho is the salt? If it's not us Mormons, then who is it? You got to hand it to Jesus. He made sure that Joseph Smith wrote the word WHEN and not IF.

Righteous men and women, living the gospel of Jesus Christ and making covenants with him are the salt of the earth.

Hosh4710 wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 9:24 pm

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 8:55 pm

topcat wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 7:04 pmWho is the salt? If it's not us Mormons, then who is it? You got to hand it to Jesus. He made sure that Joseph Smith wrote the word WHEN and not IF.

Righteous men and women, living the gospel of Jesus Christ and making covenants with him are the salt of the earth.

Finally someone gets it! Now reconcile this with what has been written in this thread about 3 Nephi 16. Who is the Salt that shall lose its Savor in the last days? Who is it that the Lord takes the fullness away from to give it to another people (3Nephi 16: 10-15)?

You have the right definition (based off D&C 101), now connect the dots!

Hosh4710 wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 9:24 pmWho is it that the Lord takes the fullness away from to give it to another people (3Nephi 16: 10-15)?

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 9:44 pm

Hosh4710 wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 9:24 pm

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 8:55 pm

topcat wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 7:04 pmWho is the salt? If it's not us Mormons, then who is it? You got to hand it to Jesus. He made sure that Joseph Smith wrote the word WHEN and not IF.

Righteous men and women, living the gospel of Jesus Christ and making covenants with him are the salt of the earth.

Finally someone gets it! Now reconcile this with what has been written in this thread about 3 Nephi 16. Who is the Salt that shall lose its Savor in the last days? Who is it that the Lord takes the fullness away from to give it to another people (3Nephi 16: 10-15)?

You have the right definition (based off D&C 101), now connect the dots!

It's very simple. Faithful members of the church are among the House of Israel. Unfaithful members (and the term faithful includes making and keeping covenants, living the gospel of Jesus Christ the very best they are able, standing as witnesses for Christ, Mosiah 18:9) may not be considered as part of the House of Israel because of their lackadaisical lifestyle.

Unfaithful members that do not keep their covenants, etc. are the salt that loses its savor. They may once have lived the gospel and been very good members, but through non commitment lose their savor because they no longer can...

Matthew 5:16
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Now what better savor can one think of than this?

Hosh4710 wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 9:58 pm

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 9:44 pm

Hosh4710 wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 9:24 pm

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 8:55 pm
Righteous men and women, living the gospel of Jesus Christ and making covenants with him are the salt of the earth.

Finally someone gets it! Now reconcile this with what has been written in this thread about 3 Nephi 16. Who is the Salt that shall lose its Savor in the last days? Who is it that the Lord takes the fullness away from to give it to another people (3Nephi 16: 10-15)?

You have the right definition (based off D&C 101), now connect the dots!

It's very simple. Faithful members of the church are among the House of Israel. Unfaithful members (and the term faithful includes making and keeping covenants, living the gospel of Jesus Christ the very best they are able, standing as witnesses for Christ, Mosiah 18:9) may not be considered as part of the House of Israel because of their lackadaisical lifestyle.

Unfaithful members that do not keep their covenants, etc. are the salt that loses its savor. They may once have lived the gospel and been very good members, but through non commitment lose their savor because they no longer can...

Matthew 5:16
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Now what better savor can one think of than this?

So what it should say is, "Then those who have been numbered among the house of Israel (who are the Salt of the last days according to you) who do not remain true to their covenants and do not repent, thus reverting back to Gentiles status, shall be as Salt that has lost its savor." Unfortunately it does not say that. It says then shall they (THE GENTILES) be as SALT that has lost its savor. The way you say it is changing the scriptures. Its simple, Why don't you just let the scriptures say what they say?