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Mumble, mumble. Not quite murmuring as I slink away.B. wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 12:49 pmWhat, you're incapable of expressing disagreement without attacking someone?Craig Johnson wrote: ↑April 15th, 2019, 11:18 pmLet's see how to reply to this, whatever it is, without getting another warning from the BOARD. Nope, can't think of anything.
Just having a moment.Mark wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 12:22 pmThat answer will become obvious as you read the various posts. Some latter day saints and some latter day aints.Craig Johnson wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 9:25 amSo, the church is anti-Christ? Is anyone on this website an actual member of the Church?
...you too can enter the temple if you just pay $6,000 a year to the corporation of the president of the lds church. No thank you. I have spiritual experiences in nature, serving others, in my home and many other places. Why? Because as Christ said,drtanner wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 8:52 amNo what I am saying is no one is telling you how much to pay other than the D&C and the lord. I would encourage you not to rob god and be honest.Thinker wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 8:08 amAre you suggesting be dishonest with my fellowman? - As the church is with sacred money?drtanner wrote: ↑April 15th, 2019, 11:30 pmYou do realize that a bishop does not know how much money is on your tax return right? You could rationalize what you feel is the correct amount of tithing to pay and declare a full tithe and he wouldn't think the lessor. It really is ultimately between you and the Lord and your interpretation of D&C 119:4Thinker wrote: ↑April 15th, 2019, 2:07 pm Craig,
Christ was also called names and predicted that those who taught what he taught, would be hated as you seem to hate me.
Notice how Christ looked on the heart of people - whether they gave a lot or just a widow’s mite. And notice that Christ realized she was giving money to religious leaders who would torture & kill Christ - but he focused on her good heart, even if she didn’t realize their evil.
It’s so sad to see even the temple corrupted. Its not completely corrupted - some godly aspects still - yet, somewhat - especially financially. In our church, in order to get a recommend to enter the temple, you must pay - even if you’re poor - a lot of MONEY. Members are being charged for worthiness - even OVER-charged (income rather than increase). Imagine what Christ would do if he could see how temples are being used to make money...
Bottom line: The temple is used to make money & that is anti-Christ.
There are sacred experiences available in the temple and family history. I have a testimony of those things that is firm and fixed and the same is available to all who will dive into the work that is there.
I didn’t state that the entire church is anti-Christ - only that using the temple to make money is anti-Christ - as in directly against what Christ taught.Craig Johnson wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 9:25 amSo, the church is anti-Christ? Is anyone on this website an actual member of the Church?
That is a new one on me, I did not realize we could be just partially anti-Christ thank you for clearing that up.Thinker wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 5:36 pmI didn’t state that the entire church is anti-Christ - only that using the temple to make money is anti-Christ - as in directly against what Christ taught.Craig Johnson wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 9:25 amSo, the church is anti-Christ? Is anyone on this website an actual member of the Church?
It’s NOT all-or-nothing.
Craig Johnson wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 7:17 pmThat is a new one on me, I did not realize we could be just partially anti-Christ thank you for clearing that up.Thinker wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 5:36 pmI didn’t state that the entire church is anti-Christ - only that using the temple to make money is anti-Christ - as in directly against what Christ taught.Craig Johnson wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 9:25 amSo, the church is anti-Christ? Is anyone on this website an actual member of the Church?
It’s NOT all-or-nothing.
You thought it was all-or-nothing - polarized (like bi-polar) thinking. Based on your sarcasm, you still think that way.Craig Johnson wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 7:17 pmThat is a new one on me, I did not realize we could be just partially anti-Christ thank you for clearing that up.Thinker wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 5:36 pmI didn’t state that the entire church is anti-Christ - only that using the temple to make money is anti-Christ - as in directly against what Christ taught.Craig Johnson wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 9:25 amSo, the church is anti-Christ? Is anyone on this website an actual member of the Church?
It’s NOT all-or-nothing.
Well, I will try not to think it is funny. And we probably won't ever move to Utah, though I am not against it.Thinker wrote: ↑April 18th, 2019, 4:50 pmYou thought it was all-or-nothing - polarized (like bi-polar) thinking. Based on your sarcasm, you still think that way.Craig Johnson wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 7:17 pmThat is a new one on me, I did not realize we could be just partially anti-Christ thank you for clearing that up.Thinker wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 5:36 pmI didn’t state that the entire church is anti-Christ - only that using the temple to make money is anti-Christ - as in directly against what Christ taught.Craig Johnson wrote: ↑April 16th, 2019, 9:25 am
So, the church is anti-Christ? Is anyone on this website an actual member of the Church?
It’s NOT all-or-nothing.
Utah led the entire 50 US states in mental illness and has high rates of suicide. Suicidal thoughts often involve extremes - like one is either completely great - or not worthy of living. All-or-nothing.
Some people seem to think that’s funny.
Craig - I cannot take credit for the word ponderize. It has a bit of a checkered path, thanks to Devin Durant (I think) and a talk he gave at conference a few years back.Craig Johnson wrote: ↑April 14th, 2019, 10:04 amThank you, I am always looking for new words, I plan on using that!
Yeah, I did not know about that until someone notified me above. But I like the word.Obrien wrote: ↑April 19th, 2019, 8:22 pmCraig - I cannot take credit for the word ponderize. It has a bit of a checkered path, thanks to Devin Durant (I think) and a talk he gave at conference a few years back.Craig Johnson wrote: ↑April 14th, 2019, 10:04 amThank you, I am always looking for new words, I plan on using that!