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Priesthood last night, his talk was on repentance.....just saying!

So what have you done to prepare?

I agree. Time is running out.

Any one of us could die tomorrow, so yep, time is running out - faster for some than others. Best to just live each day as if it could be your last.

We all have limited time in our own lives. But I’m guessing the topic is about the “last days, kingdom of God - Christ’s 2nd coming.”

First, realize that this doctrine is counter to Christ’s teachings. I wonder how many members, if placed in similar situations, would be as Christ’s followers before - who upon realizing Christ was saving them spiritually not physically - turned on him and joined the mob in shouting, “Crucify him!” Sadly, based on their behavior in prioritizing praise of the church over God - I’d guess many. Christ clearly explained,

• “And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” - Luke 17:20-21

Secondly, judgment day is unique to each person. To wait for the world to go to hell and for a Savior to fix it all is wrong - contrary to Christ and God. Christ didn’t do that. Christ did all he could to improve conditions - to make this world heaven on earth. And he asked us to do likewise.

Heaven’s reward fallacy is a common thinking distortion:

EmmaLee wrote: ↑April 7th, 2019, 3:07 pm Any one of us could die tomorrow, so yep, time is running out - faster for some than others. Best to just live each day as if it could be your last.

Is that how how you think he meant it? I wonder about these things. Surely he must know that when he says something like that, it carries a great deal of weight.

There are other threads here that show that many members on LDSFF and youtubers at large (haha) are in tune with this idea that time is running out.

"Time is running out" isn't how I would phrase it, however. I do believe the time and season has shifted from the Law of the Gospel / Level 5 /Ephraim / LDS to the time and season of the Law of Chastity / 144,000 / Level 6, etc. The sacred role of women and their divine empowerment will likely continue to shine brighter imho, the 144,000 are likely to start laying the ground work, and the Davidic Servant will likely come to light during this time and season which will likley end with his fulfilling of Yom Kippur which will transition to level 7 / 7th day where God walks with man again on Earth as he did on the 7th day of creation. So much more to write about this - so much more, but headache > more writing.

We are one important step closer. There is a monumental shift behind the scenes. I agree with KoZ's thread about the war happening behind the veil that will trickle to our side sooner; and there's the 3 days of darkness thread by IAM that shows quite a few women dreaming dreams per Joel 2:

And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

This scripture of course aligns with the changing time and season to the sixth level, the seraphim, who see, third eye chakra which is both revelation and understanding, etc. etc. etc.

I wish I could post all of my thoughts in all these threads. Maybe when this headache subsides I can begin to start chipping away at this redwood of thoughts going through my mind.

endlessismyname wrote: ↑April 7th, 2019, 3:38 pm

EmmaLee wrote: ↑April 7th, 2019, 3:07 pm Any one of us could die tomorrow, so yep, time is running out - faster for some than others. Best to just live each day as if it could be your last.

Is that how how you think he meant it? I wonder about these things. Surely he must know that when he says something like that, it carries a great deal of weight.

I try not to read things into what they say. It's an ambiguous statement - time is very different to God than to us - some people will think the 2nd Coming will be next year because of it, you'll have people think all kinds of things - but will it change people's behaviors? Probably not. In which case, what was the point? Like I said, any of us could die tomorrow. Can't imagine anyone having a problem with living each day like it's their last, but some here will find a way to have a problem with it, no doubt.

EmmaLee wrote: ↑April 7th, 2019, 7:45 pm

endlessismyname wrote: ↑April 7th, 2019, 3:38 pm

EmmaLee wrote: ↑April 7th, 2019, 3:07 pm Any one of us could die tomorrow, so yep, time is running out - faster for some than others. Best to just live each day as if it could be your last.

Is that how how you think he meant it? I wonder about these things. Surely he must know that when he says something like that, it carries a great deal of weight.

I try not to read things into what they say. It's an ambiguous statement - time is very different to God than to us - some people will think the 2nd Coming will be next year because of it, you'll have people think all kinds of things - but will it change people's behaviors? Probably not. In which case, what was the point? Like I said, any of us could die tomorrow. Can't imagine anyone having a problem with living each day like it's their last, but some here will find a way to have a problem with it, no doubt.

Good points.

EmmaLee wrote: ↑April 7th, 2019, 7:45 pm

endlessismyname wrote: ↑April 7th, 2019, 3:38 pm

EmmaLee wrote: ↑April 7th, 2019, 3:07 pm Any one of us could die tomorrow, so yep, time is running out - faster for some than others. Best to just live each day as if it could be your last.

Is that how how you think he meant it? I wonder about these things. Surely he must know that when he says something like that, it carries a great deal of weight.

I try not to read things into what they say. It's an ambiguous statement - time is very different to God than to us - some people will think the 2nd Coming will be next year because of it, you'll have people think all kinds of things - but will it change people's behaviors? Probably not. In which case, what was the point? Like I said, any of us could die tomorrow. Can't imagine anyone having a problem with living each day like it's their last, but some here will find a way to have a problem with it, no doubt.

I believe it does change most peoples behaviors because so many are procrastinators. We wait until crunch time to get it done. A warning that time is running out is merciful to those who want to wait or need a kick to get serious before it is indeed too late. I believe it will be too late for covenant makers before its too late for those who havent made covenants. If we wait until we see it on the horizon then yea, it may not even matter if we straigten up at that point because its more fear than desire.

I do agree with your statement of not waiting because we do not know on an individual basis when our time is up. The second coming is a different thing though, people die every day but the Savior will come back in power once. If this is what he meant vs the sinple fact of stop procrastinating (so were not lost in the storm coming). Eitherway, I appreciate the prophet and apostle trying to give the people a warning and encouraging us to be prepared.

Time marches on.

ajax wrote: ↑April 7th, 2019, 8:28 pmTime marches on.

For whom the bell tolls...

MMbelieve wrote: ↑April 7th, 2019, 8:19 pm

EmmaLee wrote: ↑April 7th, 2019, 7:45 pm

endlessismyname wrote: ↑April 7th, 2019, 3:38 pm

EmmaLee wrote: ↑April 7th, 2019, 3:07 pm Any one of us could die tomorrow, so yep, time is running out - faster for some than others. Best to just live each day as if it could be your last.

Is that how how you think he meant it? I wonder about these things. Surely he must know that when he says something like that, it carries a great deal of weight.

I try not to read things into what they say. It's an ambiguous statement - time is very different to God than to us - some people will think the 2nd Coming will be next year because of it, you'll have people think all kinds of things - but will it change people's behaviors? Probably not. In which case, what was the point? Like I said, any of us could die tomorrow. Can't imagine anyone having a problem with living each day like it's their last, but some here will find a way to have a problem with it, no doubt.

I believe it does change most peoples behaviors because so many are procrastinators. We wait until crunch time to get it done. A warning that time is running out is merciful to those who want to wait or need a kick to get serious before it is indeed too late. I believe it will be too late for covenant makers before its too late for those who havent made covenants. If we wait until we see it on the horizon then yea, it may not even matter if we straigten up at that point because its more fear than desire.

I do agree with your statement of not waiting because we do not know on an individual basis when our time is up. The second coming is a different thing though, people die every day but the Savior will come back in power once. If this is what he meant vs the sinple fact of stop procrastinating (so were not lost in the storm coming). Eitherway, I appreciate the prophet and apostle trying to give the people a warning and encouraging us to be prepared.

I guess if that's what some people need, then so be it - different strokes for different folks. Maybe because I'm on the downhill side of life, and having just experienced the first of my siblings dying in January (who was the exact same age as my husband is), I tend to focus on real life situations more than something that may happen decades or even further away. I'm not sure why anything I said would inspire anyone to wait to change/repent, etc. On the contrary, what I said/believe is that we should change/repent TODAY. At any rate, I'm 53 years old and every prophet since I've been alive (born in 1965) has said "time is running out" - it's kind of their job.

Yes, obviously, we're closer to the 2nd Coming now than we were in '65 - that, however, does not mean it will occur any time soon. When I was a teenager/young adult, the Church leaders and members were MORE excited and anticipating the 2nd Coming than people are today - every single stake conference revolved around that topic, for years, and we had an apostle at ALL of them back then in Phoenix - everybody just "knew" it was going to happen any day. There is literally nothing being said today by Church leaders that wasn't also said back then (and even in my parent's youth). Nothing new under the sun. Having said that, I hope (probably more than most) and wish that the Savior would return soon - it's my fondest desire - but I try not to live my life based on that desire, because I've seen so many people waste their lives (intentionally miss out on things, put things off, etc.) that have done so. They obsessed over something that never happened, and were filled with regret when they looked back and realized how much they missed; sad. But yes, anything the leaders of the Church say that will help people to improve their lives is a good thing.

I should have read your comments before I replied, KoZ. What he said.

Kingdom of ZION wrote: ↑April 7th, 2019, 8:38 pm The only person(s) time is really running out for, is the adversary and his followers!

Is the end of time upon us? NO! The Millennial realm gives us another 1000 years of time, to prefect our natures. But will everyone make it into that realm? NO! So, time is running out for those who have not repented sufficiently yet to make it into that realm. If you are one of those people, then I can understand one feeling that they are running out of time right now. However, if you know the Messiah, and His desires and will for you, and you are seeking to do it with all of your heart, and you are fighting the good fight, then time is irrelevant!

Do I wish the Messiah to give us more time to remain in this evil society and world? I know that I am doing what I can do, to help others here to have faith, but the end of this realm will come at the appointed time, no matter what I desire! SO am I running out of time? NO! Because it really does not matter... if I am called home, having fulfilled what I was appointed to do, I am find with it. We all pass into that place eventually no matter whether you like it or not. As I have not yet fulfilled what I believe I am here to do... I am not ready yet to go home, but even then, it is not my decision. I will do what I can do to bring Zion, until I am no longer here!!!!

So you don't believe time is running out for people who have learned gospel truth then fallen away from it? For people who feel a desire to learn about the gospel but procrastinate because they don't want to risk having to change? Or for people at church who go through the motions but haven't taken the effort to learn how to receive and recognize personal revelation?

I get the impression that time is running short. That what we have been taught about how we all need to pay the price to receive and recognize personal inspiration is true, but we're running out of time to do so. That time to repent is running out. That bad things are coming soon and time is close to running out on people to do what they've been counseled to do; if they continue procrastinating then they will have a much more difficult time surviving and enduring the coming tribulations because they don't have the amount of inspiration that will be necessary.

If you disagree with me, I would love to know why. But if your reason for disagreeing is because you don't believe the prophecies of end-times tribulations are true then you aren't going to persuade me.

Wasn't even close to a favorite talk, but I needed to hear "time is running out". My testimony is shaken and I finally understand why and what I need to do. But it's some hard repenting that I've been procrastinating for years. I could keep procrastinating easily for decades more till my deathbed. I still fulfill my callings, pay tithing, read my scriptures, pray with my family ... all the while growing farther apart from my God. So whether the Savior returns soon or not, i feel like I'm running out of time to fix this or I'll simply give up all together and miss out on the most important relationship in my life.
I've had more honest prayers the last 2 days then I've had in years. My relationship with God is so strained right now that I needed someone closer to Him to give me that sense of urgency.

Yahtzee wrote: ↑April 9th, 2019, 12:36 am Wasn't even close to a favorite talk, but I needed to hear "time is running out". My testimony is shaken and I finally understand why and what I need to do. But it's some hard repenting that I've been procrastinating for years. I could keep procrastinating easily for decades more till my deathbed. I still fulfill my callings, pay tithing, read my scriptures, pray with my family ... all the while growing farther apart from my God. So whether the Savior returns soon or not, i feel like I'm running out of time to fix this or I'll simply give up all together and miss out on the most important relationship in my life.
I've had more honest prayers the last 2 days then I've had in years. My relationship with God is so strained right now that I needed someone closer to Him to give me that sense of urgency.

Your relationship with God can pick up faster if you thank Him for everything, especially those things that have caused the strain. You don't have to feel it, but you do have to say it.

endlessismyname wrote: ↑April 7th, 2019, 11:52 am What say ye?

It always has been.

brianj wrote: ↑April 8th, 2019, 10:03 pm

Kingdom of ZION wrote: ↑April 7th, 2019, 8:38 pm The only person(s) time is really running out for, is the adversary and his followers!

Is the end of time upon us? NO! The Millennial realm gives us another 1000 years of time, to prefect our natures. But will everyone make it into that realm? NO! So, time is running out for those who have not repented sufficiently yet to make it into that realm. If you are one of those people, then I can understand one feeling that they are running out of time right now. However, if you know the Messiah, and His desires and will for you, and you are seeking to do it with all of your heart, and you are fighting the good fight, then time is irrelevant!

Do I wish the Messiah to give us more time to remain in this evil society and world? I know that I am doing what I can do, to help others here to have faith, but the end of this realm will come at the appointed time, no matter what I desire! SO am I running out of time? NO! Because it really does not matter... if I am called home, having fulfilled what I was appointed to do, I am find with it. We all pass into that place eventually no matter whether you like it or not. As I have not yet fulfilled what I believe I am here to do... I am not ready yet to go home, but even then, it is not my decision. I will do what I can do to bring Zion, until I am no longer here!!!!

I will comment below:

So you don't believe time is running out for people who have learned gospel truth then fallen away from it?

No! What ever give you that Idea? That is just another scenario of one who has not repented enough: "Is the end of time upon us? NO! The Millennial realm gives us another 1000 years of time, to prefect our natures. But will everyone make it into that realm? NO! So, time is running out for those who have not repented sufficiently yet to make it into that realm."

One must after excepting the Gospel, 'Endure unto the end'... Their end being the end of their life or path to make it where they want to go. For some it is all they way, for others it is to that place that is comfortable and more easier to obtain.

For people who feel a desire to learn about the gospel but procrastinate because they don't want to risk having to change? Or for people at church who go through the motions but haven't taken the effort to learn how to receive and recognize personal revelation?

They will receive their just rewards (here and in the life to come), or the lack thereof... the path to hell is lined by those with good intentions never acted upon.

I get the impression that time is running short.

Time... that was my point, Time will not end at the Second Coming. It will continue until the end of the Millennial realm. However, is time running out for some, most assuredly, but for a few, time is just a passing of the present, one aging, and the seeking and experiencing the Spirit and Messiah's will.

That what we have been taught about how we all need to pay the price to receive and recognize personal inspiration is true, but we're running out of time to do so.

Yes, those who procrastinate their day of repentance, shall fall short of glory, the next Estate, or realm/kingdom they are working on qualifying for. Yet, can anyone do everything they desire and complete it all perfectly? No, only the Messiah and Adam did so.

We need to do all we can, and hope it is sufficient. A few here will arrive to know that they have done so, I have a few more things to do before I will arrive to that place.

That time to repent is running out. That bad things are coming soon and time is close to running out on people to do what they've been counseled to do; if they continue procrastinating then they will have a much more difficult time surviving and enduring the coming tribulations because they don't have the amount of inspiration that will be necessary.

Yes, we are on the same page! I was pointing out that for some, time is NOT running out, because it is not about time for them. It is their journey to fulfill their destiny. That is how it was for the Messiah, and the few their be that find that strait and narrow path.

If you disagree with me, I would love to know why.

I agree with you on time for most people, as we know the world is going to hell. I was just trying to get you to see for those on the path of eternal progression, time is not the issue, it is not a mind set of fear, it is a knowledge of where one is at and worrying about the things of today, rather than what might happen tomorrow.

But if your reason for disagreeing is because you don't believe the prophecies of end-times tribulations are true then you aren't going to persuade me.

What was it that I said that implied in the slightest that I do not belief in end-time Prophesies. The End Time Tribulations, is the wrath of Satan (the 3 1/2 years of hell on earth that is coming). I have been very open about it, and said in past times here, that it will start in the springs of 2024, when the daily sacrifices will be stop, and the anti-Christ will stand in the rebuilt third Jewish Temple, and proclaim himself to be god! It is called the 'abomination that make desolate'.

So, the question here is not are most people running out of time for them... because we know it is. The real question is: "Are you felling like your running out of time?" If so, you might not be right with G_d! If you are living in fear of the future, is fear from the Messiah? Does it come from Him or the adversary? It comes from the adversary!

If you are right with the Messiah, then you should not be walking in fear but rejoicing for the blessings He has so graciously poured out on your behave and seeking to build His kingdom with all your heart! And time is not a fact, it will be as He has foreseen and commanded (revealed).

Shalom Shalom

President Nelson, in the priesthood session, said, “[The Lord] needs men who are determined to keep themselves sexually pure—worthy men who can be called upon at a moment’s notice to give blessings with pure hearts, clean minds, and willing hands.” I don’t know about the timing of the global second coming, but the fulfillment of this came just a couple of hours after the priesthood meeting. I got a call from a friend to come and give a blessing. This talk gave me confidence to give that blessing. I felt the Lord’s confirmation that I would be guided by the spirit and it turned out to be a very sweet experience for all of us.

I am grateful for a prophet who invites us to be ready to minister in the Lord’s service.