2018 Statistical Report From 2019 Gen Conf

[h_p]

https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/ ... cal-report

Interesting facts:
1. Children of Record added: 102,102 is the lowest since 2007. This number has been trending downwards since its peak of 116,409 in 2014. I'm assuming this is children blessed, not baptized. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
2. Convert baptisms are slightly up since last year, reversing a downward trend since 2014. Excluding 2017, it's still the lowest since 1987.
3. Number of full-time missionaries is still trending downwards from its peak of 85,147 in 2014, but still above the pre-surge levels. In 2012, we had 58,990.
4. Number of convert baptisms per missionary per year was 3.6, which is the highest it's been since 2012 (it was 4.62 then), but still among the lowest rates on record. Number of missionaries does not correlate with number of baptisms. Total convert baptisms actually dropped during the first two years of the surge.
5. The "attrition rate" spiked in 2018 to 140,868, up from 104,748 in 2017. This is the highest on record, beating the 2014 record of 122,903. I define attrition rate as difference in total membership between current and previous year, minus children of record and convert baptisms. So this would include deaths as well as resignations and excommunications, but it's the best I can do with the limited stats they provide nowadays.

[Toast]

https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/ ... cal-report

Interesting facts:
1. Children of Record added: 102,102 is the lowest since 2007. This number has been trending downwards since its peak of 116,409 in 2014. I'm assuming this is children blessed, not baptized. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
2. Convert baptisms are slightly up since last year, reversing a downward trend since 2014. Excluding 2017, it's still the lowest since 1987.
3. Number of full-time missionaries is still trending downwards from its peak of 85,147 in 2014, but still above the pre-surge levels. In 2012, we had 58,990.
4. Number of convert baptisms per missionary per year was 3.6, which is the highest it's been since 2012 (it was 4.62 then), but still among the lowest rates on record. Number of missionaries does not correlate with number of baptisms. Total convert baptisms actually dropped during the first two years of the surge.
5. The "attrition rate" spiked in 2018 to 140,868, up from 104,748 in 2017. This is the highest on record, beating the 2014 record of 122,903. I define attrition rate as difference in total membership between current and previous year, minus children of record and convert baptisms. So this would include deaths as well as resignations and excommunications, but it's the best I can do with the limited stats they provide nowadays.

I think the alleged apostate Apostle's letter answers why there are declining numbers quite accurately. There's a lot of good stuff in it, it really covers a lot of topics and issues. Sorry it's quite long but it's relevant.

How is it that these once faithful members have become so quickly committed to their now secular
viewpoints, that they would risk losing their family and business relationships, their friends, and even
their eternal salvation?

In attempting to answer this question, it became evident to me that truth seekers now have easy and
unprecedented access to information. The Internet plays a significant role in this, along with the
proliferation of cell towers and general social connectivity across the globe. More important though, is
the demand for information. As we learn new things, we are answering questions, and that often
creates new questions in the learning process, which equates to more demand for information.

Social Media outlets are forums for incessant debate about history and the evidence for that history.
Yes, there are false and perverted arguments made for and against any topic in this information age, but
it is important to note that the vetting process is there working within it all, and any determined and
studious person who digs deep enough will find enough data, for and against a topic, to decide for him
or herself what the truth is—at least enough to be mentally satisfied. Learning is inhibited when we
cease to ask the questions, or we settle on conclusions given to us by others without verifying or
analyzing them for ourselves.

Unfortunately, much of our LDS Church history has been somewhat inaccessible or deemphasized by the
Church, applying the reasoning that it is not faith promoting, or it would be too confusing for the Saints
to assimilate or process. The Church is exactly right. It is not faith promoting, and it is confusing to
understand, in the context of the way our past LDS leaders and Church historians have weaved the
narrative. Today’s religious leaders, in all faiths, can no longer cherry-pick only the lovely verses from
the Bible or other scriptures to make the case for their topic du jour. The context of all scripture, or
historical stories and anecdotes, can be tested right there in the Church pew with an immediate Google
search. And if not checked there at Church, any inquisitor can do full and comprehensive research of
the claims made when they get home, all in the span of an evening.

[Zathura]

https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/ ... cal-report

Interesting facts:
1. Children of Record added: 102,102 is the lowest since 2007. This number has been trending downwards since its peak of 116,409 in 2014. I'm assuming this is children blessed, not baptized. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
2. Convert baptisms are slightly up since last year, reversing a downward trend since 2014. Excluding 2017, it's still the lowest since 1987.
3. Number of full-time missionaries is still trending downwards from its peak of 85,147 in 2014, but still above the pre-surge levels. In 2012, we had 58,990.
4. Number of convert baptisms per missionary per year was 3.6, which is the highest it's been since 2012 (it was 4.62 then), but still among the lowest rates on record. Number of missionaries does not correlate with number of baptisms. Total convert baptisms actually dropped during the first two years of the surge.
5. The "attrition rate" spiked in 2018 to 140,868, up from 104,748 in 2017. This is the highest on record, beating the 2014 record of 122,903. I define attrition rate as difference in total membership between current and previous year, minus children of record and convert baptisms. So this would include deaths as well as resignations and excommunications, but it's the best I can do with the limited stats they provide nowadays.

I think the alleged apostate Apostle's letter answers why there are declining numbers quite accurately. There's a lot of good stuff in it, it really covers a lot of topics and issues. Sorry it's quite long but it's relevant.

How is it that these once faithful members have become so quickly committed to their now secular
viewpoints, that they would risk losing their family and business relationships, their friends, and even
their eternal salvation?

In attempting to answer this question, it became evident to me that truth seekers now have easy and
unprecedented access to information. The Internet plays a significant role in this, along with the
proliferation of cell towers and general social connectivity across the globe. More important though, is
the demand for information. As we learn new things, we are answering questions, and that often
creates new questions in the learning process, which equates to more demand for information.

Social Media outlets are forums for incessant debate about history and the evidence for that history.
Yes, there are false and perverted arguments made for and against any topic in this information age, but
it is important to note that the vetting process is there working within it all, and any determined and
studious person who digs deep enough will find enough data, for and against a topic, to decide for him
or herself what the truth is—at least enough to be mentally satisfied. Learning is inhibited when we
cease to ask the questions, or we settle on conclusions given to us by others without verifying or
analyzing them for ourselves.

Unfortunately, much of our LDS Church history has been somewhat inaccessible or deemphasized by the
Church, applying the reasoning that it is not faith promoting, or it would be too confusing for the Saints
to assimilate or process. The Church is exactly right. It is not faith promoting, and it is confusing to
understand, in the context of the way our past LDS leaders and Church historians have weaved the
narrative. Today’s religious leaders, in all faiths, can no longer cherry-pick only the lovely verses from
the Bible or other scriptures to make the case for their topic du jour. The context of all scripture, or
historical stories and anecdotes, can be tested right there in the Church pew with an immediate Google
search. And if not checked there at Church, any inquisitor can do full and comprehensive research of
the claims made when they get home, all in the span of an evening.

look, the people who don't acknowledge some of the stuff in the "letter" are either fools or they simply refuse to look because they don't want to face uncomfortable truths.

The Church has obvious issues, much of the criticism is fair and true.

Likewise, the people who gobble everything up they read that trashes Joseph Smith are fools as well. Most of the trash people bring up about Joseph Smith are sources who never once told the given story until 30 years after he died, or the source is someone who had previously signed an affidavit and testified in court the exact opposite story before defaming his reputation later in life. If you want to invite people to read this stuff, I invite you to read the rebuttals because most of it regarding Joseph Smith is on shaky ground.

There is a very strong argument for the foundation of the Church being legitimate and Joseph Smith being innocent of polygamy and these nonsense stories you see posted around r/exmormon. Most of the Church's issues can be traced back to Brigham Young, not Joseph Smith.(everything from blacks and priesthood to the treatment of women to the judgmental culture )Most instances of issues with Church history occurred because of an effort to make it appear that Joseph had taught things that he never taught, which includes fabricating scripture, journal entries and marriages. If you hide things, they'll eventually be brought to light and there's only so much you can do to control it at that point, and this is what's happening to the Church.

[Zathura]

https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/ ... cal-report

Interesting facts:
1. Children of Record added: 102,102 is the lowest since 2007. This number has been trending downwards since its peak of 116,409 in 2014. I'm assuming this is children blessed, not baptized. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
2. Convert baptisms are slightly up since last year, reversing a downward trend since 2014. Excluding 2017, it's still the lowest since 1987.
3. Number of full-time missionaries is still trending downwards from its peak of 85,147 in 2014, but still above the pre-surge levels. In 2012, we had 58,990.
4. Number of convert baptisms per missionary per year was 3.6, which is the highest it's been since 2012 (it was 4.62 then), but still among the lowest rates on record. Number of missionaries does not correlate with number of baptisms. Total convert baptisms actually dropped during the first two years of the surge.
5. The "attrition rate" spiked in 2018 to 140,868, up from 104,748 in 2017. This is the highest on record, beating the 2014 record of 122,903. I define attrition rate as difference in total membership between current and previous year, minus children of record and convert baptisms. So this would include deaths as well as resignations and excommunications, but it's the best I can do with the limited stats they provide nowadays.

Regarding number 4,

I think they have simply milked so many areas for everything it's worth. Especially small areas. I had an area in Washington where my companion had literally knocked on every door in the town, and his companion before him had done the same before he arrived, and he had only been there for 3 months. I'm sure if one day there are missionaries in areas that have never known Mormonism, they would have crazy baptism numbers for a time.

Elsewhere I have stated my opinion that these numbers are also an indicator that the Missionaries do not have the power that they should have. Because of a misunderstanding of priesthood , power, the Doctrine of Christ, many go and come back without ever truly becoming Converted to Jesus Christ and being Sanctified which is what will bring miracles. Instead of being Born of God and fasting UNTIL you receive great downpourings of the Spirit, they are taught to obey mission rules and expect miracles to come.(there are obvious exceptions, I've heard fantastic stories about certain mission presidents)

[Fiannan]

Number of births to members is down, thus children of record numbers are down. That will mean missionary work will be down.

I think that 30 years ago the goal of the Church was to spread the Gospel far and wide. With so many members opting away from large families the goal will soon be to hold onto what we have and not go into decline.

[Fiannan]

I think the alleged apostate Apostle's letter answers why there are declining numbers quite accurately. There's a lot of good stuff in it, it really covers a lot of topics and issues.

Not gonna click. Sorry.

[JohnnyL]

https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/ ... cal-report

Interesting facts:
1. Children of Record added: 102,102 is the lowest since 2007. This number has been trending downwards since its peak of 116,409 in 2014. I'm assuming this is children blessed, not baptized. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
2. Convert baptisms are slightly up since last year, reversing a downward trend since 2014. Excluding 2017, it's still the lowest since 1987.
3. Number of full-time missionaries is still trending downwards from its peak of 85,147 in 2014, but still above the pre-surge levels. In 2012, we had 58,990.
4. Number of convert baptisms per missionary per year was 3.6, which is the highest it's been since 2012 (it was 4.62 then), but still among the lowest rates on record. Number of missionaries does not correlate with number of baptisms. Total convert baptisms actually dropped during the first two years of the surge.
5. The "attrition rate" spiked in 2018 to 140,868, up from 104,748 in 2017. This is the highest on record, beating the 2014 record of 122,903. I define attrition rate as difference in total membership between current and previous year, minus children of record and convert baptisms. So this would include deaths as well as resignations and excommunications, but it's the best I can do with the limited stats they provide nowadays.

I think the alleged apostate Apostle's letter answers why there are declining numbers quite accurately. There's a lot of good stuff in it, it really covers a lot of topics and issues. Sorry it's quite long but it's relevant.

How is it that these once faithful members have become so quickly committed to their now secular
viewpoints, that they would risk losing their family and business relationships, their friends, and even
their eternal salvation?

In attempting to answer this question, it became evident to me that truth seekers now have easy and
unprecedented access to information. The Internet plays a significant role in this, along with the
proliferation of cell towers and general social connectivity across the globe. More important though, is
the demand for information. As we learn new things, we are answering questions, and that often
creates new questions in the learning process, which equates to more demand for information.

Social Media outlets are forums for incessant debate about history and the evidence for that history.
Yes, there are false and perverted arguments made for and against any topic in this information age, but
it is important to note that the vetting process is there working within it all, and any determined and
studious person who digs deep enough will find enough data, for and against a topic, to decide for him
or herself what the truth is—at least enough to be mentally satisfied. Learning is inhibited when we
cease to ask the questions, or we settle on conclusions given to us by others without verifying or
analyzing them for ourselves.

Unfortunately, much of our LDS Church history has been somewhat inaccessible or deemphasized by the
Church, applying the reasoning that it is not faith promoting, or it would be too confusing for the Saints
to assimilate or process. The Church is exactly right. It is not faith promoting, and it is confusing to
understand, in the context of the way our past LDS leaders and Church historians have weaved the
narrative. Today’s religious leaders, in all faiths, can no longer cherry-pick only the lovely verses from
the Bible or other scriptures to make the case for their topic du jour. The context of all scripture, or
historical stories and anecdotes, can be tested right there in the Church pew with an immediate Google
search. And if not checked there at Church, any inquisitor can do full and comprehensive research of
the claims made when they get home, all in the span of an evening.

Well, I guess today we'll find out if it's alleged or not...

[JohnnyL]

I believe the Church will continue much as is, number-wise, and will get even worse during tribulations, especially for Ephraimic Gentiles (starting with -50% (of the active?) and through persecutions and killings)--and then natural disasters and more will start happening all over the world. Then deserts will blossom as the rose. I think dedicatory blessings/ prayers give insight to some of that. Anyway, even without so many problems, work in the vineyard will continue, and many places are growing rapidly, and others have barely started to grow (India, China).
I don't worry much about the numbers.

[h_p]

Number of births to members is down, thus children of record numbers are down. That will mean missionary work will be down.

Makes sense. I think so, too. I think it could also indicate a higher inactivity rate among members, since they wouldn't be having their children blessed or baptized, but the parents are still listed as members. It's hard to tell exactly how much each factor contributes with so little information in the stats, though. Back in the 70's the statistical reports had all kinds of information in them. Nowadays, only bishoprics and stake presidencies have access to it, and it only covers their own wards and stakes.

I don't worry much about the numbers.

Numbers are numbers, true, but what they represent is important. For every 2 people baptized or blessed into the church last year, 1 person left. And for every person who leaves, an unknown number just fade away without taking any action. That tells me there are a lot of people in the church that aren't finding what they're looking for, and that's really sad to me.

[JohnnyL]

I don't worry much about the numbers.

Numbers are numbers, true, but what they represent is important. For every 2 people baptized or blessed into the church last year, 1 person left. And for every person who leaves, an unknown number just fade away without taking any action. That tells me there are a lot of people in the church that aren't finding what they're looking for, and that's really sad to me.

About the numbers--two main things, I think, that can be done about it--better missionary work (like Elder Cook's talk), and better ministering. Both being talked about a lot this GC. Other people leave for various reasons that are purely personal, or in other words, not much anyone can do about them. Never in it, girl/boyfriend is a non-member (and besides, sex is exciting), not wanting to deal with family pressure, joined for wrong reasons, not willing to repent, etc.--parable of the seeds, Jesus said it well. People trying to find something in the Church they'll never find, because wickedness never was and never will be happiness.

[Fiannan]

Well, I guess today we'll find out if it's alleged or not...

You never know. Maybe "The Apostle" is a fan of "The Americans" and is working with the KGB, FSB, CIA, or some LGBTQRGHRTPDNRMOUSE organization to promote his agenda behind the scenes.

[Fiannan]

About the numbers--two main things, I think, that can be done about it--better missionary work (like Elder Cook's talk), and better ministering.

Won't save the day. Nope. We have more missionaries out there than ever and our ratio of converts to missionaries is pretty pathetic. Here is what might do the trick.

1) Stop harping on men. First thing out of the Saturday session was a reference to porn. And since it is rare for the elderly Church leaders to realize just how much young women are fans of porn nowadays the assumption is going to be that it is men being referenced.
One can still urge men to do better but maybe our leaders need to look at how Jordan Peterson does it. He mixes the message to do better with male-affirmation. Women also like his message. That is how to keep the young men we have so they can stay in the Church long enough to marry one of the surplus women we have.

2) Re-emphasize the purpose of life - marriage, making babies and having strong families.

3) Start dwelling on positive aspects of the Gospel. The world is bad, to be sure, but it is also filled with fantastic opportunities and beautiful people. Make people leave Conference with a smile on their face.

[JohnnyL]

About the numbers--two main things, I think, that can be done about it--better missionary work (like Elder Cook's talk), and better ministering.

Won't save the day. Nope. We have more missionaries out there than ever and our ratio of converts to missionaries is pretty pathetic. Here is what might do the trick.

1) Stop harping on men. First thing out of the Saturday session was a reference to porn. And since it is rare for the elderly Church leaders to realize just how much young women are fans of porn nowadays the assumption is going to be that it is men being referenced.
One can still urge men to do better but maybe our leaders need to look at how Jordan Peterson does it. He mixes the message to do better with male-affirmation. Women also like his message. That is how to keep the young men we have so they can stay in the Church long enough to marry one of the surplus women we have.

2) Re-emphasize the purpose of life - marriage, making babies and having strong families.

3) Start dwelling on positive aspects of the Gospel. The world is bad, to be sure, but it is also filled with fantastic opportunities and beautiful people. Make people leave Conference with a smile on their face.

I think those things would help.
It would be wonderful for every LDS to listen to JP and Ben Shapiro as part of SS lesson, special firesides, whatever.

Still: more missionaries =/= better missionary work. Better missionary work, not more missionaries.

[Toast]

look, the people who don't acknowledge some of the stuff in the "letter" are either fools or they simply refuse to look because they don't want to face uncomfortable truths.

The Church has obvious issues, much of the criticism is fair and true.

Likewise, the people who gobble everything up they read that trashes Joseph Smith are fools as well. Most of the trash people bring up about Joseph Smith are sources who never once told the given story until 30 years after he died, or the source is someone who had previously signed an affidavit and testified in court the exact opposite story before defaming his reputation later in life. If you want to invite people to read this stuff, I invite you to read the rebuttals because most of it regarding Joseph Smith is on shaky ground.

There is a very strong argument for the foundation of the Church being legitimate and Joseph Smith being innocent of polygamy and these nonsense stories you see posted around r/exmormon. Most of the Church's issues can be traced back to Brigham Young, not Joseph Smith.(everything from blacks and priesthood to the treatment of women to the judgmental culture )Most instances of issues with Church history occurred because of an effort to make it appear that Joseph had taught things that he never taught, which includes fabricating scripture, journal entries and marriages. If you hide things, they'll eventually be brought to light and there's only so much you can do to control it at that point, and this is what's happening to the Church.

I firmly disagree that there's a "very strong argument for the foundation of the Church being legitimate and Joseph Smith being innocent of polygamy". It's quite the opposite, but this thread isn't about that so I digress.

Won't save the day. Nope. We have more missionaries out there than ever and our ratio of converts to missionaries is pretty pathetic. Here is what might do the trick.

1) Stop harping on men. First thing out of the Saturday session was a reference to porn. And since it is rare for the elderly Church leaders to realize just how much young women are fans of porn nowadays the assumption is going to be that it is men being referenced.
One can still urge men to do better but maybe our leaders need to look at how Jordan Peterson does it. He mixes the message to do better with male-affirmation. Women also like his message. That is how to keep the young men we have so they can stay in the Church long enough to marry one of the surplus women we have.

2) Re-emphasize the purpose of life - marriage, making babies and having strong families.

3) Start dwelling on positive aspects of the Gospel. The world is bad, to be sure, but it is also filled with fantastic opportunities and beautiful people. Make people leave Conference with a smile on their face.

The church has one of the most aggressive missionary programs in the world. Yet for being the one and only true church, the "ratio of converts to missionaries is pretty pathetic". Interesting, the church is very small to start with, perhaps the church just isn't relevant in the 21st century. Here's some thoughts that might help the hemorrhaging membership rolls.

1. Allow men and women to masturbate as it's a healthy normal thing to do. Stop being at odds with biology. If you don't have anybody, then you have to take care of yourself! Also, stop with the attitude of "That is how to keep the young men we have so they can stay in the Church long enough to marry one of the surplus women we have" so they'll be locked in.

2. Drop the "religious myth elements of the organization". Stop preaching that the purpose of life is to get married ASAP and make as many babies as possible. This results in young people getting in over their heads and marrying people they barley know or aren't in love with or are not financially capable of having children, so they can get into "the highest kingdom of heaven" etc. People would be foolish to let a Treasure Digger's fabricated book tell them the purpose of life and make massive commitments based on such. I do love the emphasize on strong families. I was shocked to see the lack of that when I left the sheltered Mormon bubble.

3. "Start dwelling on positive aspects of the Gospel. The world is bad". Acknowledge all the endless factually incorrect and questionable issues regarding the BOM, Joseph Smith's history, and the church's history. Stop sweeping everything under the rug. Stop teaching that the BOM is literal.

Some other thoughts that might help with the hemorrhaging membership rolls:

Look at the science of LGBT people, wake up, then treat them equally.

Treat women equally. Give them priestesshood and roles that men have. Stop the idea that women should obey their husband for all eternity.

Stop claiming the prophets are seers and revelators that talk to God. They obviously are not.

Be transparent about the church's finances.

Stop the polygamy that's still practiced in the temple.


All these things are highly unpopular with people who are outside of the church.

***Edit: Actually, you need to marry multiple wives to reach the highest kingdom of heaven, not just one!***

[Zathura]

I firmly disagree that there's a "very strong argument for the foundation of the Church being legitimate and Joseph Smith being innocent of polygamy". It's quite the opposite, but this thread isn't about that so I digress.

Well you're being intellectually dishonest if you haven't studied the rebuttals and sources I'm telling you about while claiming you somehow know the rebuttals aren't valid and have no idea about the sources I'm discussing. There's no point in debating when any given party is doing such a thing. Just look at the democrats and republicans running around citing only sources that confirm their biases. You're wasting your time and our time as much as these politicians are by doing what you're doing at this point.

[Zathura]

Look at the science of LGBT people, wake up, then treat them equally.

You bring up many valid points, some of which I agree, some I don't, some seem unimportant to me.

If you are discussing Science and LGBT and Biology in the same sentence, I have one question for you.

Do you believe in "Gender Fluidity"? It's one thing to talk about whether or not you are "born gay" and that in nature "gay acts" occur all the time, it's another to literally change science in the name of "Social Justice" and preach gender fluidity "46 genders".

If so, you've lost all credibility for me and you'll prove yourself to be yet another sheep that's been blinded by "Group think" and you're no better than the right wingers and left wingers that spend their lives in an echo chamber and refuse to accept that they are wrong on some things and find middle ground.

[ori]

2) Re-emphasize the purpose of life - marriage, making babies and having strong families.

3) Start dwelling on positive aspects of the Gospel. The world is bad, to be sure, but it is also filled with fantastic opportunities and beautiful people. Make people leave Conference with a smile on their face.

I really love these two. Especially number (2) "marriage, making babies and having strong families". I have a sizable family (I live in Utah and, while not the largest family in the ward, many people in the ward erroneously think that we are the largest family -- it's a pretty big family - hint: there aren't enough seat belts in any minivan for my family). So I know a thing or two about having a large family. We homeschool. We regularly eat dinner together. We have FHE together. We go on frequent family vacations together. We don't watch much TV. We hold regular scripture time together. So I know a thing or two about tight-knit families.

And lemme tell you--it's a blast. Kids are the best. They just bring so much love into the house. Teaching the older ones to help the younger ones is so fulfilling. Teaching everyone to get along and care for each other and help each other just makes my heart burst from love. Family is the best, I don't understand why anyone wants to limit their kids to just 2-3. It makes no sense to me. My marriage and family is the best thing that ever happened to me.

[creator]

The church has one of the most aggressive missionary programs in the world. Yet for being the one and only true church, the "ratio of converts to missionaries is pretty pathetic". Interesting, the church is very small to start with, perhaps the church just isn't relevant in the 21st century. Here's some thoughts that might help the hemorrhaging membership rolls. ...

New order Mormonism is so dark. It's darkness, as opposed to light. I want more light and truth, what was originally restored through Joseph Smith, not a Church that caves to the darkness just to please the world. Unfortunately the NOM's are winning in regards to which side the Church has been pandering to.

[drtanner]

The church has one of the most aggressive missionary programs in the world. Yet for being the one and only true church, the "ratio of converts to missionaries is pretty pathetic". Interesting, the church is very small to start with, perhaps the church just isn't relevant in the 21st century. Here's some thoughts that might help the hemorrhaging membership rolls. ...

New order Mormonism is so dark. It's darkness, as opposed to light. I want more light and truth, what was originally restored through Joseph Smith, not a Church that caves to the darkness just to please the world. Unfortunately the NOM's are winning in regards to which side the Church has been pandering to.

Looking forward to the day when we get rid of all the “ites” instead of adding to them.

[Toast]

Family is the best, I don't understand why anyone wants to limit their kids to just 2-3. It makes no sense to me. My marriage and family is the best thing that ever happened to me.

People might want to limit them for practical reasons like, not being financially able, giving birth so many times is hard on the body, simply not wanting more, other priorities in life like traveling, etc. I personally don't want any kids as I have other things in life that I can't do with kids. There's too many people in the world anyway, lots of kiddos need adopting.

A Mormon once told me that I was being selfish for not having kids. Am I selfish?

[Fiannan]

I personally don't want any kids as I have other things in life that I can't do with kids. There's too many people in the world anyway, lots of kiddos need adopting.

A Mormon once told me that I was being selfish for not having kids. Am I selfish?

Wow, you are a perfect product of NWO conditioning.

Macron and Merkle would love your life goals.

[Elizabeth]

Yes.

A Mormon once told me that I was being selfish for not having kids. Am I selfish?

[ori]

Wow, you are a perfect product of NWO conditioning.

Macron and Merkle would love your life goals.

Who are these people and what are their goals? Should I know who they are?

[Lizzy60]

Wow, you are a perfect product of NWO conditioning.

Macron and Merkle would love your life goals.

Who are these people and what are their goals? Should I know who they are?

The leader of France and the leader of Germany.
May I ask how old you are?

[ori]

I knew Macron was the leader of France but wasn’t sure if it was the same Macron being referenced. I’m not clear on what his goals are, or how it applies to “NWO conditioning”