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NIGHTLIGHT wrote: ↑April 6th, 2019, 3:54 pm Holland is my boy

Yeah, it's gonna take a while for me to fill the mire cuz I ain't for sale.

Stahura wrote: ↑April 6th, 2019, 6:42 pm

John Tavner wrote: ↑April 6th, 2019, 4:08 pm Even a year or two ago I would have loved Elder Holland's talk. However, I found it to be largely Pharisaical and lacking in doctrine. He said a lot of truths, but the meat was missing, it was almost entirely milk. The point of the sacrament is for us to renew our covenant with Christ that we will remember Him and be willing to take upon us His name. This means full submission we are willing to die and receive another baptism of fire. His bread (commandments fill us with knowledge) and His Spirit (His blood cleanses us as we always remember Him). When we do this, our thoughts will naturally go to those who are suffering or need help. When our focus is on Christ and not on the ordinance by itself it gives us an opportunity to gauge whether we have drawn closer or become more like the Lord or fallen farther away. It is a true recovenanting of ourselves to God. Doing those things he mentioned will naturally come when Christ becomes our focul point throughout the week. Not the ordinance itself - all ordinances point to something. If we are not willing to submit our whole self completely and are not willing to take upon ourselves His name, we take the sacrament in vain. This truly means that we are willing to give up the world and all we have for Him. We covenant to follow His commandments (the commandments the Spirit gives us to do i.e. follow the Spirit) all through out the week, and by so doing we obtain His countenance upon us which changes us and by having His Spirit with us, then we become liek Him by remembering Him and having gratitude for all He gives us.

I don’t know if I personally would call I pharisaical. I appreciated the counsel to show up on time and give it more importance and have a little more reverence .

Admittedly I get little from his talks, they sound pretty and always have a funny joke and have fancy words like “fratricide”, but that’s not what I’m looking for.

He’s had a couple fantastic talks that surely comfort people with mental illness and other afflictions .

I can understand that. When I say pharasaical I mean it had emphasis on doing and not becoming. That was my impression, I got excited when he started talking, but was disappointed as it continued. The issues he was addressing in my opinion are more symptoms rather than the issues themself. Though reasonable minds can disagree,. I don't hold anything against him, haha I suppose I was just sharing my stream of consciousness.

I should also add I had spent about two months arguing with our current Elder's quorum over ridiculous ideas to maintain reverance - like someone standing at the podium and declaring revereance. Children standing on the podium with arms crossed. People standing at the doors to declare reverence to those entering the chapel. In my view that is ridiculous and again this is such a focus on reverence rather than Christ. Finally they agreed, I don't feel like going through that again.

capctr wrote: ↑April 6th, 2019, 5:06 pm

caburnha wrote: ↑April 6th, 2019, 4:31 pm

John Tavner wrote: ↑April 6th, 2019, 4:08 pm Even a year or two ago I would have loved Elder Holland's talk. However, I found it to be largely Pharisaical and lacking in doctrine. He said a lot of truths, but the meat was missing, it was almost entirely milk. The point of the sacrament is for us to renew our covenant with Christ that we will remember Him and be willing to take upon us His name. This means full submission we are willing to die and receive another baptism of fire. His bread (commandments fill us with knowledge) and His Spirit (His blood cleanses us as we always remember Him). When we do this, our thoughts will naturally go to those who are suffering or need help. When our focus is on Christ and not on the ordinance by itself it gives us an opportunity to gauge whether we have drawn closer or become more like the Lord or fallen farther away. It is a true recovenanting of ourselves to God. Doing those things he mentioned will naturally come when Christ becomes our focul point throughout the week. Not the ordinance itself - all ordinances point to something. If we are not willing to submit our whole self completely and are not willing to take upon ourselves His name, we take the sacrament in vain. This truly means that we are willing to give up the world and all we have for Him. We covenant to follow His commandments (the commandments the Spirit gives us to do i.e. follow the Spirit) all through out the week, and by so doing we obtain His countenance upon us which changes us and by having His Spirit with us, then we become liek Him by remembering Him and having gratitude for all He gives us.

I hunger to hear the unadulterated doctrine of Christ taught with power. Let's please trust that our coming to Christ with broken hearts can indeed transform our hearts then thoughts then behaviors. If we were to just trust in the new birth Christ offers, instructions on proper behavior and proper mindsets would not be necessary.

I am thinking that we are only being given milk right now because we are all gnawing stubbornly on stupid bones we refuse to let go; pouring milk down our throats while we gnaw might make us us gasp and cough a little, but any meat given us in the midst our stubborn acts could darn well choke us out.

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the "WE" is not just the members, it's the whole church including it's leaders.

The 28th and 29th Chapters of Isaiah refers to our people and nation.

We are still satisfied with the ABC portions of the gospel.
We will not accept the meat portions of the gospel.

Isaiah 28:
9 Whom shall he give instruction?
Whom shall he enlighten with revelation?
Weanlings weaned from milk,those just taken from the breast?
10 For it is but line upon line, line upon line,precept upon precept,
precept upon precept;a trifle here, a trifle there.

Although Jehovah wants to give his people “instruction” and “revelation,” they are but babes and sucklings who haven’t developed far enough to digest more than milk: “Everyone who uses milk is unskillful in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe” (Hebrews 5:13). Ephraim’s mode of learning is still “line upon line, line upon line, precept upon precept, precept upon precept, here a little, there a little” (saw lasaw saw lasaw qaw laqaw qaw laqaw ze‘ir sam ze‘ir sam). Assonance and alliteration parody their rote method of learning that consists of parroting back what their leaders teach.

11 Therefore, by incomprehensible speech
and a strange tongue
must he speak to these people,
12 to whom he said, This is rest; let the weary rest!
This is a respite! But they would not listen.

The lesser portion of Jehovah’s word proves fatefully insufficient to save “these people”—Jehovah’s alienated people—from being slain and taken captive by their enemies (vv 2-3, 13, 22). The only way that remains for Jehovah to speak to his people that may induce them to repent is through the “incomprehensible speech” and “strange tongue” of the alien Assyrian invaders (Isaiah 33:18-19; 54:16-17). Assuming that the lesser law they labor under is, in fact, the whole law, Jehovah’s people who have grown “weary” of it now reject Jehovah’s “rest” and “respite” that characterize his higher law.
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If you study this 28th chapter of Isaiah
it will reveal that every word applies to our church in these days
and to no other people.
Isaiah cites that this people would be given "precept upon precept;
precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little and there a little."
These identical words, were used by the Prophet Joseph Smith among his closing instructions
to the latter day saints, warning us to go forward not backward. D.C.128:21-22 ; 2Nephi 28:30

13 So to them the word of Jehovah remained:
Line upon line, line upon line,
precept upon precept, precept upon precept;
a trifle here, a trifle there, that,
persisting, they might lapse into stumbling
and break themselves,
become ensnared and be taken captive.

Instead of receiving a greater portion of the “word of Jehovah” through divine revelation, the people of Ephraim remain ensconced in its lesser version as that is all they know. The end result is their ruination: “Sanctify Jehovah of Hosts, making him your fear, him your awe. And [to you] he will be a sanctuary, but to the two houses of Israel a stumbling block or obstructing rock, and a snare, catching unawares the inhabitants of Jerusalem. Many will stumble into them, and when they fall shall be broken, and when they become ensnared shall be taken captive” (Isaiah 8:13-15; cf. 5:13; 42:18-25).

14 Therefore hear the word of Jehovah, you scoffers
who preside over these people in Jerusalem.
15 You have supposed, by taking refuge in deception
and hiding behind falsehoods,
to have covenanted with Death,
or reached an understanding with Sheol, that,
should a flooding scourge sweep through the earth,
it shall not reach you.

By seeking “refuge in deception” instead of in Jehovah (Isaiah 4:6; 25:4), and by “hiding behind falsehoods” instead of acknowledging the truth (Isaiah 9:15; 32:6), Ephraim’s leaders rely on their own counsel as epitomized by a “Covenant with Death.” Such a policy leads to death at the hands of Jehovah’s agent of death, the king of Assyria/Babylon, in Jehovah’s Day of Judgment. Having turned into scoffers of Jehovah’s word, they think to escape the “flooding scourge”—the power of the archtyrant (v 2). Rejecting Jehovah’s Covenant of Life (Isaiah 55:3), they end up in Sheol—Hell or the underworld.

caburnha wrote: ↑April 6th, 2019, 5:36 pm

capctr wrote: ↑April 6th, 2019, 5:06 pm

caburnha wrote: ↑April 6th, 2019, 4:31 pm

John Tavner wrote: ↑April 6th, 2019, 4:08 pm Even a year or two ago I would have loved Elder Holland's talk. However, I found it to be largely Pharisaical and lacking in doctrine. He said a lot of truths, but the meat was missing, it was almost entirely milk. The point of the sacrament is for us to renew our covenant with Christ that we will remember Him and be willing to take upon us His name. This means full submission we are willing to die and receive another baptism of fire. His bread (commandments fill us with knowledge) and His Spirit (His blood cleanses us as we always remember Him). When we do this, our thoughts will naturally go to those who are suffering or need help. When our focus is on Christ and not on the ordinance by itself it gives us an opportunity to gauge whether we have drawn closer or become more like the Lord or fallen farther away. It is a true recovenanting of ourselves to God. Doing those things he mentioned will naturally come when Christ becomes our focul point throughout the week. Not the ordinance itself - all ordinances point to something. If we are not willing to submit our whole self completely and are not willing to take upon ourselves His name, we take the sacrament in vain. This truly means that we are willing to give up the world and all we have for Him. We covenant to follow His commandments (the commandments the Spirit gives us to do i.e. follow the Spirit) all through out the week, and by so doing we obtain His countenance upon us which changes us and by having His Spirit with us, then we become liek Him by remembering Him and having gratitude for all He gives us.

I hunger to hear the unadulterated doctrine of Christ taught with power. Let's please trust that our coming to Christ with broken hearts can indeed transform our hearts then thoughts then behaviors. If we were to just trust in the new birth Christ offers, instructions on proper behavior and proper mindsets would not be necessary.

I am thinking that we are only being given milk right now because we are all gnawing stubbornly on stupid bones we refuse to let go; pouring milk down our throats while we gnaw might make us us gasp and cough a little, but any meat given us in the midst our stubborn acts could darn well choke us out.

Maybe... But as Paul says in Hebrews 5:12-14, we ought be better than always needing milk for nourishment. Our spiritual deficiency is evident as "every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe."

The restoration is almost 200 years old. When will we finally be "of full age" and ready for meat? What will it take to ween ourselves off the milk?

It will take our returning to the former things that we have given up.

I find it interesting that many leaders and members of the church quote the "line upon line, precept upon precept" idea from Isaiah, as a good thing, when it's actually used as an example of the way little children learn, when they are not capable of higher knowledge and wiser thinking. That some members are hungry and craving greater knowledge, and frustrated at so many repititious and simple ideas, is their birthright. A few will risk climbing the treacherous mountain to find God, while many will be content to stay in the "safety" of the foothills.

Ahhhh I wanted sooo badly to like all of Pres. Nelson's talk in the priesthood session. Sooo close, so close to being entirely true. Though In my opinion so far, this is the best talk given in conference so far. Something was missing though and I can't put my finger on it.

John Tavner wrote: ↑April 6th, 2019, 7:34 pm Ahhhh I wanted sooo badly to like all of Pres. Nelson's talk in the priesthood session. Sooo close, so close to being entirely true. Though In my opinion so far, this is the best talk with most meat given in conference so far.

I only caught the last half as the Lord saw fit to answer an ongoing prayer during Priesthood session. I loved his talking about young men dressing and preparing their bodies for the world vs the Lord.

What wasn't "entirely true?"

Alaris wrote: ↑April 6th, 2019, 7:36 pm

John Tavner wrote: ↑April 6th, 2019, 7:34 pm Ahhhh I wanted sooo badly to like all of Pres. Nelson's talk in the priesthood session. Sooo close, so close to being entirely true. Though In my opinion so far, this is the best talk with most meat given in conference so far.

I only caught the last half as the Lord saw fit to answer an ongoing prayer during Priesthood session. I loved his talking about young men dressing and preparing their bodies for the world vs the Lord.

What wasn't "entirely true?"

Heart to God, not to wife. Then to wife after God.

Alaris wrote: ↑April 6th, 2019, 7:36 pm

John Tavner wrote: ↑April 6th, 2019, 7:34 pm Ahhhh I wanted sooo badly to like all of Pres. Nelson's talk in the priesthood session. Sooo close, so close to being entirely true. Though In my opinion so far, this is the best talk with most meat given in conference so far.

I only caught the last half as the Lord saw fit to answer an ongoing prayer during Priesthood session. I loved his talking about young men dressing and preparing their bodies for the world vs the Lord.

What wasn't "entirely true?"

Yeah, very profound comment

John Tavner wrote: ↑April 6th, 2019, 7:34 pm Ahhhh I wanted sooo badly to like all of Pres. Nelson's talk in the priesthood session. Sooo close, so close to being entirely true. Though In my opinion so far, this is the best talk given in conference so far. Something was missing though and I can't put my finger on it.

Perhaps it's within....not without.

NIGHTLIGHT wrote: ↑April 6th, 2019, 8:25 pm

John Tavner wrote: ↑April 6th, 2019, 7:34 pm Ahhhh I wanted sooo badly to like all of Pres. Nelson's talk in the priesthood session. Sooo close, so close to being entirely true. Though In my opinion so far, this is the best talk given in conference so far. Something was missing though and I can't put my finger on it.

Perhaps it's within....not without.

Could be, I always try to keep an open mind and the thought occurred to me as well. Only by taking it to the Lord will I found out

Do you sustain your leaders in thought as well as word? What about Father? Do you sustain Him and who He chose?

Teancum wrote: ↑April 6th, 2019, 9:14 pm Do you sustain your leaders in thought as well as word? What about Father? Do you sustain Him and who He chose?

Let me ask you a few questions in response: Do you seek to love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, might, mind, and strength? Do you pray for it daily? Have you become as a little child, willing to submit to the Father in all things? Are you stripped of pride? Have you sung the song of Redeeming love? Do you sing it now? Do you sufficiently remember the Lord's mercy and long-suffering towards men? Do you look forward with an eye of faith, and view this mortal body raised in immortality, and this corruption raised in incorruption, to stand before God to be judged according to the deeds which have been done in the mortal body?
Can you imagine to yourselves that you hear the voice of the Lord, saying unto you, in that day: Come unto me ye blessed, for behold, your works have been the works of righteousness upon the face of the earth? I say unto you, can ye look up to God at that day with a pure heart and clean hands? I say unto you, can you look up, having the image of God engraven upon your countenances? Is there one among you who is not stripped of envy? Is there one among you that doth make a mock of his brother, or that heapeth upon him persecutions?

Teancum wrote: ↑April 6th, 2019, 9:14 pm Do you sustain your leaders in thought as well as word? What about Father? Do you sustain Him and who He chose?

This was one topic in a talk that resonated with me today. The war in heaven was fought with desires, words and thoughts. Those same words and thoughts either sustain or do not sustain here and now. The same war being fought, but now which side do we take? Is our character going to be strong enough to not follow the devil and do what he does / did? I sustain Father in His choice, plan, and servants and trust in Him to make all weak things strong - including weak mortal servants called to lead His church, as well as weak mortal followers.

I invite you to do the same.

I really appreciate some of the comments here, John Tavner, Stahura, some great, great comments. And while it's always possible to have confirmation bias.

Elder Holland's talk did not do it for me. Yet there were some very good talks. I feel a slight call to repentance, so I will repent to try to explain things a little better.

I absolutely 100% believe that it is very important, critical and vital to sustain the Lord's servants, His prophets, and men of God. Lest anyone think I advocate for not doing that-they are unequivocally wrong.

In the coming days, I believe it will be increasingly obvious for those who pay attention and have ears to hear and eyes to see who is a servant of the Lord and who is a servant of the God of this world and who is simply just confused. For those who serve Christ with their heart, might, mind, soul (or those who desire to serve Him) it is their obligation to accept the Lord's servants (mortal though they may be) and reject the servants of the God of this world and those who are simply confused.

How do we come to know who is who? We have Scripture first and foremost to teach us the Doctrine of Christ. If any man preach that which is contrary to the Doctrine of Christ as found in Scriptures then we can surely reject them. The Doctrine of Christ is not found in only the words of Christ that He spoke in his mortal frame; but the whole realm of His Doctrine as revealed in the entire body of Scriptures.

At it's core, the Doctrine of Christ is thus, all men are fallen, we are all sinners, we are all beggers before God, we are all broken. Christ teaches each of us how to become whole, to not be broken, this comes from a broken heart and a contrite spirit. When we have that we have a desire to repent, to change from fallen sinful people into new men and women cleansed of our past wrongs.

It is my hope and my prayer that I am not deceived along with every Disciple of Christ.

We are not yet at a point where some very hard decisions will have to be made; but I think it is very possible in the not too distant future as a body of Saints some very hard decisions will have to be made, those that are both Saints because of the organization and those that are Saints because they are Disciples of Christ.

If the body of the Saints as a whole repents (and I include myself in this), the Lord will be merciful, but if we do not . . .the floodgates are going to be opened. I still believe there is time for the body of the Saints to repent and if we do we will see miracles the likes of which have not been manifested in many, many years. God is being extremely merciful right now, I pray we take this opportunity that He has given us.

But if we do not . . . the righteous (or those who hunger and thirst after righteousness) will flee and then the wicked will destroy the wicked.

Just so everyone knows, I'm a nobody, except one who is a disciple of Christ. . .these are my impressions after Conference that I feel impressed to share.

Teancum wrote: ↑April 6th, 2019, 9:49 pm

Teancum wrote: ↑April 6th, 2019, 9:14 pm Do you sustain your leaders in thought as well as word? What about Father? Do you sustain Him and who He chose?

This was one topic in a talk that resonated with me today. The war in heaven was fought with desires, words and thoughts. Those same words and thoughts either sustain or do not sustain here and now. The same war being fought, but now which side do we take? Is our character going to be strong enough to not follow the devil and do what he does / did? I sustain Father in His choice, plan, and servants and trust in Him to make all weak things strong - including weak mortal servants called to lead His church, as well as weak mortal followers.

I invite you to do the same.

If one loves the Father with every fiber of their being, both spiritually and temporally, they will of course sustain Him. They will sustain true servants of God as well. What does sustain mean? Let us look back at a story of two prophets in the old testament - both were true. One had just finished a mission given him by God, he was told to maintain a fast until he left the land. The another prophet told him (through the instruction of an angel of God to test this other prophet) that he was told to tell the original prophet that he could eat and to spend time with this second prophet. The first prophet, without consulting God did as the second prophet directed. Then the second prophet prophesied that the first prophet would be torn apart by wild beasts for not following the commands of God. The first prophet went on his way and wast torn apart. If the first prophet had not followed the counsel of the second, would he have not sustained him? No, we must sustain God first and love him. If we are not truly seeking the Lord with all our hearts, we will not know or recognize true servants from wolves. How can we tell if a messenger or servant is truly God's? By their message do they teach "come follow me" or do they teach "come follow Christ." Christ is the light, not the individual. Of course all make mistakes, and we should be forgiving of such, nor should we hold it against them, but if the majority of their message is to follow some man vs follow Christ and learn of Christ, then you can know of a surety it is not of God. For all true prophets teach us to come unto Christ.

Prophets merely point the way. Anytime a prophet sets their own self up like a light, they are wrong. Look at Moses. He for a brief moment set himself up as a light to the Israelites and was cursed for it. He claimed to have done those works, but it was the Lord. We are for, all intents and purposes, commanded to not be "of Paul" or "Apollo" or of "John the Baptist" or of "the current prophet" for we are to be of Christ. If we do claim the others, then we are telestial world material (D&C 76). So the most important is to follow is Christ- above all. We are to give Him our entire life and sacrifice all we are for Him. We demonstrate our desire through ordinances and the Spirit. I try to sustain Prophets when they are acting as such i.e. they are speaking with the tongue of angels. I try to always sustain the Lord, but sometimes the world is more attractive to me just like it is for most of us and I do not follow all the promptings the Lord gives me or rather I don't do it as quickly as I should, I put Him off for the world - or in otherwords the world or that object that is taking my time over the Lord becomes my Idol. Thus I do not sustain the Lord in those moments. I repent and must right my heart to give my entire self back to Him and as I remember Him always, then I am able to sustain and do all the things the Lord requires me to do, in those moments I truly sustain the Lord.

Thank you for the invitation.

marc wrote: ↑April 6th, 2019, 7:06 pm

NIGHTLIGHT wrote: ↑April 6th, 2019, 3:54 pm Holland is my boy

Yeah, it's gonna take a while for me to fill the mire cuz I ain't for sale.

Yet all mothers with young children get a free pass.

caburnha wrote: ↑April 6th, 2019, 5:36 pm

capctr wrote: ↑April 6th, 2019, 5:06 pm

caburnha wrote: ↑April 6th, 2019, 4:31 pm

John Tavner wrote: ↑April 6th, 2019, 4:08 pm Even a year or two ago I would have loved Elder Holland's talk. However, I found it to be largely Pharisaical and lacking in doctrine. He said a lot of truths, but the meat was missing, it was almost entirely milk. The point of the sacrament is for us to renew our covenant with Christ that we will remember Him and be willing to take upon us His name. This means full submission we are willing to die and receive another baptism of fire. His bread (commandments fill us with knowledge) and His Spirit (His blood cleanses us as we always remember Him). When we do this, our thoughts will naturally go to those who are suffering or need help. When our focus is on Christ and not on the ordinance by itself it gives us an opportunity to gauge whether we have drawn closer or become more like the Lord or fallen farther away. It is a true recovenanting of ourselves to God. Doing those things he mentioned will naturally come when Christ becomes our focul point throughout the week. Not the ordinance itself - all ordinances point to something. If we are not willing to submit our whole self completely and are not willing to take upon ourselves His name, we take the sacrament in vain. This truly means that we are willing to give up the world and all we have for Him. We covenant to follow His commandments (the commandments the Spirit gives us to do i.e. follow the Spirit) all through out the week, and by so doing we obtain His countenance upon us which changes us and by having His Spirit with us, then we become liek Him by remembering Him and having gratitude for all He gives us.

I hunger to hear the unadulterated doctrine of Christ taught with power. Let's please trust that our coming to Christ with broken hearts can indeed transform our hearts then thoughts then behaviors. If we were to just trust in the new birth Christ offers, instructions on proper behavior and proper mindsets would not be necessary.

I am thinking that we are only being given milk right now because we are all gnawing stubbornly on stupid bones we refuse to let go; pouring milk down our throats while we gnaw might make us us gasp and cough a little, but any meat given us in the midst our stubborn acts could darn well choke us out.

Maybe... But as Paul says in Hebrews 5:12-14, we ought be better than always needing milk for nourishment. Our spiritual deficiency is evident as "every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe."

The restoration is almost 200 years old. When will we finally be "of full age" and ready for meat? What will it take to ween ourselves off the milk?

Because it's a personal thing.
We'll be ready after the cleansing--or meat will cause the cleansing. Then we'll find out that the great majority who unwisely called for meat (meant in general, not personally--this call for "more meat" is a call heard throughout the Church), will have choked on it.

John Tavner wrote: ↑April 6th, 2019, 7:34 pm Ahhhh I wanted sooo badly to like all of Pres. Nelson's talk in the priesthood session. Sooo close, so close to being entirely true. Though In my opinion so far, this is the best talk given in conference so far. Something was missing though and I can't put my finger on it.

It would have been nice to hear this talk in a general session, and have social media and soap operas, talk shows (I never knew how much talk show trash there was until recently), and reality shows included for the women.

It would have been nice to hear a letter from a man trying hard to make it withOUT kids because his wife divorced him for any number of reasons this board has talked about before.

JohnnyL wrote: ↑April 7th, 2019, 8:41 am

John Tavner wrote: ↑April 6th, 2019, 7:34 pm Ahhhh I wanted sooo badly to like all of Pres. Nelson's talk in the priesthood session. Sooo close, so close to being entirely true. Though In my opinion so far, this is the best talk given in conference so far. Something was missing though and I can't put my finger on it.

It would have been nice to hear this talk in a general session, and have social media and soap operas, talk shows (I never knew how much talk show trash there was until recently), and reality shows included for the women.

It would have been nice to hear a letter from a man trying hard to make it withOUT kids because his wife divorced him for any number of reasons this board has talked about before.

I agree. I wonder if there will be a comparable letter from a husband read in the Relief Society General meeting this October? I also wish this talk would have been/would be given in the RS General meeting, AND in one of the sessions today, as ALL members need to hear it, not just the men by any means.

Also, I thought we, the members, were instructed to NEVER write the General Authorities? So how did this letter from a wife complaining that her husband watches sports get through to the President of the Church??? I know firsthand of several cases of members writing apostles (with MUCH greater concerns than this wife), and in every single case, their letter got sent from Church HQ to the member's stake president, who then called them in and scolded them for DARING to write the apostles. So how did this letter of complaint get all the way to President Nelson's desk??

Well perhaps they will. Here is hoping to some good conference sessions today

Love the first part of Renlunds talk. Pushing through instead of turning back will result in great blessings!!

Seek UNTIL you find.

Edit :

The analogy of showing up in Arizona and turning back after the rain VS going and continuing on after the rain hoping for the next rainfall is great.

I’ll be honest, I almost never get anything from Sisters talks. To me, they never seem to expound on much, they just check off the list of the same things you hear in Sunday school, only listing, never expounding. Hollow almost?

I REALLY enjoyed Sister Eubanks talk. Seriously. Loved it! My wife said the same thing.

Lady talking now is on point! I love her