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How far does the Atonement reach
Posted: April 5th, 2019, 1:48 pm
by Shaffer89
I have heard mention that the Atonement of Jesus Christ is farther reaching than we can comprehend, and that it's affects reach more than just our world or sphere. However in all that I have read and studied at this point in my life I have not come across anything scriptural that references the atonement outside of our world, or at least if I did I haven't understood.
From what I have read it seems like the Atonement was necessary to redeem this fallen world and all the creations that fell when Adam fell, and from what I understand his fall effected all that he had dominion over. Accordingly the atonement is applied to all of that dominion, since this is where the Atonement was performed.
Now the only way my mind understands how it could affect more than this world is very well outlined in the Michael's Dominion thread (
https://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=50454) which, as I am always glad to find, includes a lot more than I had previously considered.
However I am looking for the more traditional (if it can be called that) beliefs on the vastness of the atonement.
Does it affect all of the creations that Christ took part in? is that the general idea of the belief?
What are your beliefs/speculations on how far the the atonement reaches?
Re: How far does the Atonement reach
Posted: April 5th, 2019, 2:53 pm
by Durzan
Shaffer89 wrote: ↑April 5th, 2019, 1:48 pm
I have heard mention that the Atonement of Jesus Christ is farther reaching than we can comprehend, and that it's affects reach more than just our world or sphere. However in all that I have read and studied at this point in my life I have not come across anything scriptural that references the atonement outside of our world, or at least if I did I haven't understood.
From what I have read it seems like the Atonement was necessary to redeem this fallen world and all the creations that fell when Adam fell, and from what I understand his fall effected all that he had dominion over. Accordingly the atonement is applied to all of that dominion, since this is where the Atonement was performed.
Now the only way my mind understands how it could affect more than this world is very well outlined in the Michael's Dominion thread (
https://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=50454) which, as I am always glad to find, includes a lot more than I had previously considered.
However I am looking for the more traditional (if it can be called that) beliefs on the vastness of the atonement.
Does it affect all of the creations that Christ took part in? is that the general idea of the belief?
What are your beliefs/speculations on how far the the atonement reaches?
It for sure extends to all creations of Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ in this cycle of creation of the current cycle of Eternity, excluding the Sons of Perdition (the deliberate rebels who constantly and actively fight against God, seek to overthrow Him, cause as much harm as possible to His children and relish in it, and have no desire at all to stop). Anything within those bounds is for sure covered by the Atonement; but anything outside those bounds (if there indeed is anything outside those bounds) is not.
For all intents and purposes, the Atonement is indeed infinite to our limited mortal view, but that doesn't mean that there aren't any limits on it... just those limits are far above our comprehension. Infinity is just another number to Heavenly Father.
Re: How far does the Atonement reach
Posted: April 6th, 2019, 2:29 am
by inho
This is what I wrote in the thread
The Saviour's Atonement:
inho wrote: ↑July 13th, 2018, 10:55 am
Scriptures make it clear that Saviour is the creator of many worlds:
And worlds without number have I created; and I also created them for mine own purpose; and by the Son I created them, which is mine Only Begotten
Moses 1:32–33
That by him, and through him, and of him, the worlds are and were created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God
D&C 76:22–24
Since he is the creator and thus involved with other worlds, one could think that he is also the redeemer of those worlds.
When this question was asked in
November 1985 issue of New Era, professor Larry C. Porter quoted the above scriptures in his answer. He also pointed out that during the Nauvoo period
Times and Seasons published a poetic rendition of "the Vision", i.e. D&C 76. In this poetic version, Prophet says:
By him, of him, and through him, the worlds were all made,
Even all that career in the heavens so broad,
Whose inhabitants, too, from the first to the last,
Are sav’d by the very same Saviour of ours;
And, of course, are begotten God’s daughters and sons.
By the very same truths, and the very same pow’rs.