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In near death experiences, I have never read an account in which someone sees mother in heaven. Why?

Sharper82431 wrote: ↑March 30th, 2019, 5:30 pm In near death experiences, I have never read an account in which someone sees mother in heaven. Why?

She's been veiled, though that may be changing.

Julie Rowe talks about Heavenly Mother in her account. Spencer I think also mentioned Her. You just gotta look. Apparently she doesn’t have light hair like Eve. And she’s always around children. I’d love to know if someone has access to a lengthy description or account as well.

Maybe because the Spirit World right after this life is the “holding cell” for everyone. Seems like our Mother in Heaven would be be way up in the Celestial Kingdom where she would call home.

I kinda doubt she’d come down to the seamier side of post-mortality...

As far as I’ve read, most NDE are a quick view into the Spirit World.

My understanding is that the spiritual degrees are based on relating. A college student can relate well to a kindergartener but the child cannnot so fully relate to the college student. Parents understand their children’s views, but children haven’t yet learned enough to understand all of their parents perspectives. Similarly with our Godly parents and us. This applies also to masculine/feminine relating, which is why marriage between a man and a woman is helpful to our psychological and spiritual growth.

For more in depth regarding the evolution of humanity’s concept of Heavenly Father and Mother...

Spoiler

Carl Jung analyzed the story of Job and saw in it (& other stories) how we make God in our own image. God is God. But how we perceive God is subjectively limited to our own experience, understanding etc. The Flynn Effect suggests each generation has an overall higher IQ. Obviously, how people understood medicine 3,000 years ago is primitive compared to now. As God planned, we progress individually and as a human race (though in some ways it seems we have regressed but that’s another topic).

I’ll try to sum up Jung’s analysis. Basically, at the beginning, God is seen as only that which is outside of us - beyond our control - the stars, the weather, animals etc. More polytheistic. Gradually, some sense of hierarchal values became important - though it was/is a long process of trial & error. God became like a Father figure - pretty harsh and no-nonsense and maybe even unjust - as most fathers were back then. Through Job’s suffering and wrestling with God, he discovered the need of self-reflection that would prevent at least some injustice etc - and that was found in just a glimpse of the compassionate side of God - Sophia (or Astarte, Heavenly Mother) symbolized as a dove. This wiser more compassionate sense of divinity wouldn’t be as well known until Christ - and the parable of his birth from Mary.

It’s like children think in concrete terms, but eventually learn to see the more abstract spirit of things. At first, religious symbols are taken literally but gradually they are “likened” to one.

Benaishtart wrote: ↑March 31st, 2019, 7:20 pm Julie Rowe talks about Heavenly Mother in her account. Spencer I think also mentioned Her. You just gotta look. Apparently she doesn’t have light hair like Eve. And she’s always around children. I’d love to know if someone has access to a lengthy description or account as well.

Here is an account from a sister who claims to have entered the rest of the Lord and have been in the presence of Father and Mother:

"On being in Mother’s presence, “She is love. She is Strength yet so Soft. She is Delicate yet so Strong. She is Bold. She is one with Father…but she is ‘Woman.’ She is God. She is the definition of beauty. She is the most delicate but the most strong. There are not enough words to express the ‘the feeling’ of Mother.”

As you would imagine or expect, “She has a Mother’s touch. A touch that only ‘Woman’ or Mother could have. In that way, She is not the same as Father but that also in no way takes away from Father. She is the ultimate Mother…the woman’s touch…something only She can give and is meant to give. It is her footprint. A touch that is designed to heal in a specific way–a way that every soul needs. There are days when I yearn for Her because there is none like Her or Her touch.”

“Virtue and righteousness is the source of Her power. That power exists in ‘woman’ (the divine feminine). Her power is in righteousness. She can do all things. She says to me, ‘you’re my daughter and there is nothing you cannot do’. This power from virtue and righteousness is what unifies Her and Father.”

“If Father and Mother are one then the only difference between the two is that she is ‘woman.’ They command us to become like the Savior and come unto the Savior first. Following the Savior means becoming an extension of Mother. We are becoming more like her. We are acquiring those divine characteristics. The Savior is how we begin to comprehend Mother. Focus on the Savior. We can come to know that She lives within us. We are created in Her image also. They would never ask us to do something that She and They, Themselves, have not already done.”

For those who have quoted or referenced near death experiences or visions involving our Heavenly Mother, do you have specific sources to attribute? Or for comments such as "Her hair apparently isn't light like Eve's". Eve has a light color of hair? Where is this made clear?

Jamescm wrote: ↑April 9th, 2019, 11:22 am For those who have quoted or referenced near death experiences or visions involving our Heavenly Mother, do you have specific sources to attribute? Or for comments such as "Her hair apparently isn't light like Eve's". Eve has a light color of hair? Where is this made clear?

Here's my source. A great blog with even better study guides on the doctrine of Christ.
https://journeydoctrineofchrist.org/201 ... ly-mother/

Sharper82431 wrote: ↑March 30th, 2019, 5:30 pm In near death experiences, I have never read an account in which someone sees mother in heaven. Why?

I just watched this video this week. She says a being appeared to her and referred to herself in French as her "little mother of the sky". Since the lady was Catholic she assumed it was Mary.

I don't speak French, but in other languages, like Spanish, sky and heaven are the same, so I think she actually saw Heavenly Mother but didn't have the doctrinal foundation to know it.