Data on Unvaccinated Children

[PressingForward]

I think most foreign countries do not require immunizations for entering and even residing, though I don't know about missionary work.

My sister and her family are in Ghana for about 6 months, the visas for that country do require vaccinations. It isn't just a church requirement.

Those of us that have traveled abroad understand this I guess. Only thing that ever made me sick was malaria pills, it subsided after a week, but dang it was not fun. I think I’ll get the shot if ever I need next time

[eddie]

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The preservatives they put in Vaccines such as Mercury do cause Autism, Mercury is one of the most toxic substances known to man and they inject it into a baby. It passes through the blood brain barrier and damages the brain. Until you have seen it happen and suffered the consequences of a child who was normal until the vaccine, then you don't have any idea of what you speak! I believe it will be exposed someday, it is criminal what they have done to our children. I don't trust the FDA or the CDC or scientists who concoct the results, I believe what I have seen with my own two eyes.

[JohnnyL]

I think most foreign countries do not require immunizations for entering and even residing, though I don't know about missionary work.

My sister and her family are in Ghana for about 6 months, the visas for that country do require vaccinations. It isn't just a church requirement.

Didn't know, so I wrote as I did. I've traveled to many countries as a tourist, and never been asked about vaccinations.

[JohnnyL]

I inform you that vaccinations are NOT required for missionaries. You can call the missionary department to check. (I have checked.)

As then Elder Ballard and others have said, the church is not in the business of non-spiritual, non-mission supporting things, including knowledge, programs, etc. So yes, they even admit they are not as knowledgeable as others in many things. Not too shocking, is it? Where would it end, and how much would it cost (in effort, time, money, etc.), to teach things that are not fundamental or even supporting of the Church's mission?
Do you believe they are infallible?

Do you believe it might be hard even for them to unlearn untruth? Any seeker of truth has done it, but it usually takes time, reasons, and more.
In general, speaking of people, I can tell you that many can't unlearn untruth, because those untruths have become a part of their belief system, identity, and lives.

Johnny,
While vaccinations are not required to serve in your home country, the Church most certainly does REQUIRE vaccination for most foreign missions. Refuse vaccines for the country you are called to serve in and you WILL be re assigned to your home country.
PERIOD.

Actually, not right. If you'll check the other threads on this, there are members on this forum who are certain, by experience (not someone's someone's someone), that going foreign restriction is not necessarily true. Did you talk to the Missionary Department, and they said that?

So, if you refuse vaccines for the USA... where will you serve??
Are you also saying that serving in the USA is a punishment? I know someone whose family was freaking out about the possibility of going to certain foreign countries. When he got a mission call to the USA, there was celebration.
In addition, the people who refuse vaccinations will likely refuse to go to the hospital, or pay the bill.

I think most foreign countries do not require immunizations for entering and even residing, though I don't know about missionary work.

BTW, pulling wisdom teeth is optional, too. Once again, you can also check with the Missionary Department on that.

I'm seeing a pattern here--you are certain about something incorrect, then correct yourself and are certain about something incorrect. As with vaccinations, you MUST do your own research on some things; you cannot rely with surety on rumors and probabilities and even sown lies.

http://www.immunize-utah.org/pdf/Missio ... elines.pdf

Johnny,
Please get your information from the church. I have a nephew serving in Laos, one in Dominican Republic. One returned from serving in Seattle that had an original call to the Congo, but my SIL is an antivaxxer and so he was reassigned.
But you can BELIEVE whatever you like.

So I guess we can write off those who served foreign, as "never existed."

Any working link to possibly a Church website, so I can "get [my] information from the church"?

[shadow]

BYU is not the Lord's university. UofU is.

The brethren haven't received a revelation that vaccines are good. The bretheen do their best but they aren't perfect. The Word of Wisdom is the best we have when it comes to these things, and personal revelation.

People are called on missions, they aren't called to an area like the Congo. They are assigned to locations. Assignments can change but the call remains. Being "called" to serve a mission does not ever require vaccines.

Yes, I'm against vaccines for MY family. Personal revelation led me on this path. I was actually neutral on vaccines, was vaccinated myself when I was hit with a ton of bricks not to vaccinate my newborn. I thought it was odd so I vaxed her. Shes now allergic to peanuts. My Dr even told me that her allergy was most likely a result of vaccines. I regret being rebellious.

Take it to God. If you get a stupor of thought then get vaccinated. I think it's mostly harmless in many cases. In some cases, they're deadly. Provably deadly. Read the ingredients and tell me they aren't poisonous. Only a liar will claim they aren't poison.

[kittycat51]

I thought it was odd so I vaxed her. Shes now allergic to peanuts. My Dr even told me that her allergy was most likely a result of vaccines. I regret being rebellious.

That's always sad! (I love peanut butter so much, I would hate to not be able to have it in my house)

What most people don't realize is the MOST probable reason peanut allergies are on the rise is because many vaccines are cultured in peanut oil.

...Consider this: Peanut oils were first used as carriers in influenza vaccines in the mid-1960s, thought to enhance the vaccine’s strength. Before that, anaphylactic shock “syndrome” from exposure to nuts was virtually nonexistent. Nobody was fainting and suffering from respiratory distress and experiencing convulsions just because somebody ate a Snickers bar on the other side of the room.

Today, peanut allergy is the #1 cause of death from food reactions, and it’s primarily among children. Coincidence? The reaction surge kicked into full force in the early 1990s. Is that because the mandated schedule of CDC-approved vaccines for children (before they turn age 7) doubled from the 1980s? It has more than doubled again since then! Take a look.

1980: 20 vaccines
1995: 40 vaccines
2011 – 2017: 68 vaccines (36 of those vaccines are administered before the age of 18 months)

That means nearly all of the vaccines given in the first 7 years of life in 1995 are now ALL given in the first 18 months of life. Maybe we should rename the top 8 food allergies “serum sickness.” Then the root cause would be realized and maybe doctors who actually understand nutrition (naturopaths) could step in and do something to reverse the “epidemic.”

As discovered over 100 years ago by Dr Charles Richet, anaphylactic reactions to certain foods are a result of intact proteins that bypass the digestive system and find their way into the blood. This is a universal trigger for allergic reactions in all animals. Interesting. The initial “sensitization” involves injection, which creates the hypersensitivity, and the later violent and sometimes deadly reaction comes from eating the same food. Dr. Richet worked primarily with eggs, milk and meat proteins.

Bacteria, viruses, pathogens and parasites thrive in egg and milk, and are carried like a time release capsule in peanut oil
Peanut adjuvants in vaccines in America is a huge secret. Vaccine manufacturers are NOT required anymore to disclose all of the ingredients in vaccines, and they are also NOT allowed to be sued by anyone, ever, for injuries from reactions to the injections. The full formula for any vaccine is never revealed on the vaccine insert information page, because the full formula contains “proprietary” information and is protected as intellectual property.

The FDA admits peanut protein traces persist in vaccines today. This is exactly why doctors are directed to inject vaccines intramuscular rather than intravenous, because there’s a better chance of absorption of intact proteins and less chance of a bad reaction. Still, no money has ever been allocated from the National Institute of Health (NIH) or the CDC to study the obvious connection between vaccine food protein excipients and food allergies. (The vaccine industry will never allow the unvaccinated population to serve as a control group for this testing, knowing the results that will be found.) It’s obvious that medical extremism is at an all-time high right now in America. You really have to look out for yourself and your family.

Important considerations regarding food allergies in relation to common vaccine ingredients
Initial warning signs and symptoms of allergic reactions to foods found in vaccines include mouth tingling, itching or metallic taste; also hives. Got wheat allergies? Is the allergy really to wheat or is it to yeast protein and yeast extract, that are both common ingredients in vaccines? Just check experimental jabs like the Cholera vaccine, Hep B, HPV, Meningococcal and Pneumococcal.

Got milk and dairy allergies? Check vaccines for casein derivatives called Miller or Mueller medium, and also lactose in the Hib vaccine. Plus, casamino acids are derived from cow’s milk, such as in DTaP vaccine. Many parents report children’s allergic reaction to the DTaP jab immediately after injection. Also beware because there is hydrolyzed casein in the meningococcus vaccine.

Got soy allergies? Did you know that Soy peptone broth is used in vaccines to enrich salmonella and cultivate microorganisms, including fungi?

Got fish allergies? Some oral vaccines contain fish oil. Allergic to shellfish? Read this informative blog at Cure Zone about the link to certain vaccines.

Got egg allergies? Eggs are in all flu vaccines and the yellow fever jab. Egg proteins are present in the final product also.

Also, children with the following allergies should have their parents check every single vaccine insert, including flu shots, for the following popular allergens that are found in many vaccines or the packaging, vial or syringe stopper: Latex, mercury, gelatin, antibiotics, formaldehyde, fetal cells from abortions, aluminum, MSG (monosodium glutamate), African Green Monkey kidney cells and polysorbate 80.

Vaccines are also now linked to learning disabilities, not just allergies! Look into natural immunity builders that have worked for millennia, including oil of oregano, chaga mushrooms, vitamin D3 and vitamin C. Maybe the secret to immunity and avoiding creating food allergies is to never inject food proteins, heavy metal toxins, gelatin, urea (animal urine) and other known carcinogens (like methyl mercury, aluminum and formaldehyde) into your muscle tissue. This is worthy of much careful consideration.https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-09-18- ... cines.html

In response to anybody who is pro-vaccine.... Something for them to consider. Bill Gates one of the BIGGEST vaccine pushers in the world, because of the "good" it does; He did NOT VACCINATE his own children. Why? GOOD QUESTION. Bill Gates is a eugenicist. He has said on more than one occasion that the world needs to lower the population. That's certainly strange. You can hear him on YouTube say

"The world today has 6.8 billion people... that's headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent."

Think about it...

[shadow]

Bill Gates one of the BIGGEST vaccine pushers in the world, because of the "good" it does; He did NOT VACCINATE his own children.

I didn't know he didn't vaccinate his kids, not that I ever looked into it.
Dr. Oz doesn't vaccinate his kids but he deflects blame to his wife.

[Rand]

This winter while walking on my driveway I slipped on the ice and fell. It was painful. Darn gravity. Then I got thinking: The theory of universal gravitation is just a theory. I don't have to believe in it. It is taught by professors at universities and we all know how corrupt the university system is. Those professors are paid thus there must be conflict of interest and corruption. Can't trust them. The physicist who professionally research gravity are paid for by grants from the National Science Foundation. So obviously we cant trust them. Big money, big corruption. Also those physicists belong to associations like the American Physical Society . Thus cant trust them. The best of these scientists belong to the National Academy of Sciences which must be a corrupt organization since they teach about things like gravity, vaccines, climate change, and other things I don't believe in. The articles in scientific journals discussing gravity are anonymously peer reviewed, but they are all in on the conspiracy so cant trust them. But if I look hard enough on youtube I am sure I can find one video or podcast that agrees that the theory of gravity is wrong. Life is so much easier now that I don't have to worry about pesky science and its theories. Leave me much more time to go out to the orchard and pick cherries.

(I hope I don't have to say it explicitly, but all of the above is sarcasm yet matches so much of what can be found in todays society)

... the media also always tells the truth...

[ori]

I was vaccine injured. My life was near ruined because of them. So I personally KNOW they are not necessarily safe. Doesn’t mean you shouldn’t get them. Do your own research. But as for me and my house ... NO WAY. All the media bias in the world won’t make me change my mind... I have a very, very personal relationship with vaccine damage.

Also, I’m tired of the media calling us pro-vaccine safety people “uneducated”. I graduated magna cum laude (ie “with great distinction”) with a Bachelor of Science degree in Computer Science from BYU with a full ride scholarship. A great many of the “uneducated” “anti-vaxxers” are actually quite well educated. But that doesn’t fit the media narrative.

[BackBlast]

Yes. So I would include AMA as a valid source. I also would tend to listen to the American Heart Association over say a study issued by a big tobacco firm etc.

Any source can provide you a good study. Any source can provide for you a bad study. Some may well be more likely than the other from various sources, but that does not prove anything one way or the other for a particular study. This shifts the topic of the debate to be about the source rather than the information itself, and that's wrong.

There are things that interested parties and partial vaxxers have looked for, for years. What are the actual risks involved in injecting adjuvants and toxic stabilizers and preservatives into infants? Those are the numbers I want to weigh against the effects of the diseases we are attempting to mitigate. Nobody can give me those answers. Little factoids like not knowing the actual quantity of say, aluminum, going into an infant when it is approaching the toxic level for an adult even when ingested rather than injected. The front line medical professional's rational for these kinds of questions can be summed up in "shut up and do it because it's convenient for me" rather than a reasoned or rational response to a very rational and logical concern. Some are more respectful than that, but that is the jist of it having gone through 8 children and trying to get information about every potential vaccine...

So, when I look at a study done by anyone I ask a few questions. Does this study truly feature a completely unvaccinated control group? No? Then it doesn't tell me the actual risks involved and simply cannot by definition. I haven't found any mainstream medicine studies that do this, I've heard about one and it showed significant risk and it is rarely cited. Number two, does this study include a long range health assessment with respect to potential long term vaccine damage? 5 years? 10? 20? This is also rarely looked at, especially since it also requires the inclusion of an unvaccinated control group.

Then there are issues of failure to report adverse reactions observed frequently within the medical community. We could get really really good data if things like this were carefully reported, cataloged, and then given to potential users. But from personal observation of the front line medical professionals, they'll wave off reactions as anything but the vaccine because they are "safe". It's circular reasoning. Of course they're "safe" if everyone just ignores the side effects.

[eddie]

FAILURE is the key word. There are many things I don't understand. first of all, we can get a ticket for not wearing a seat belt but school buses don't have seat belts. Banks have armed security,
people can carry a gun, but we can't have armed guards at our schools? Oh yeah, the " This is a no gun zone," sign should do it! We let prayer among other things be taken out of school, and we allow the FDA to cause brain damage to our children in the name of preserving their vaccines and making more money, are we stupid?? Our children are the future!

[JohnnyL]

From the "Unvaccinated Minors" thread, since this deals with this thread topic, Data on Unvaccinated Children, but with a change. I realized no pro-vaxxer would go read the article on the link, so I've posted the pertinent data:

https://web.archive.org/web/20180928120 ... -is-sicker

A pilot study of 666 homeschooled six to 12-year-olds from four American states published on April 27th in the Journal of Translational Sciences, compared 261 unvaccinated children with 405 partially or fully vaccinated children, and assessed their overall health based on their mothers' reports of vaccinations and physician-diagnosed illnesses. What it found about increases in immune-mediated diseases like allergies and neurodevelopmental diseases including autism, should make all parents think twice before they ever vaccinate again:

*Vaccinated children were over four-fold more likely to be diagnosed on the Autism Spectrum (OR 4.3)

*Vaccinated children were 30-fold more likely to be diagnosed with allergic rhinitis (hay fever) than non-vaccinated children

* Vaccinated children were 22-fold more likely to require an allergy medication than unvaccinated children

*Vaccinated children were over five-fold more likely to be diagnosed with a learning disability than unvaccinated children (OR 5.2)

*Vaccinated children were 340 percent more likely to be diagnosed with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder than unvaccinated children (OR 4.3)

* Vaccinated children were 5.9-fold more likely to have been diagnosed with pneumonia than unvaccinated children

*Vaccinated children were 3.8-fold more likely to be diagnosed with middle ear infection (otitis media) than unvaccinated children (OR 3.8)

*Vaccinated children were 700 percent more likely to have had surgery to insert ear drainage tubes than unvaccinated children (OR 8.1)

* Vaccinated children were 2.4-fold more likely to have been diagnosed with any chronic illness than unvaccinated children.

So, if you want your child's chances for autism, rhinitis, allergies, learning disabilities, ADHD, pneumonia, ear infections, ear tubes, and chronic illnesses to increase dramatically--yes, go ahead and get those vaccinations.

[Juliet]

From the "Unvaccinated Minors" thread, since this deals with this thread topic, Data on Unvaccinated Children, but with a change. I realized no pro-vaxxer would go read the article on the link, so I've posted the pertinent data:

https://web.archive.org/web/20180928120 ... -is-sicker

A pilot study of 666 homeschooled six to 12-year-olds from four American states published on April 27th in the Journal of Translational Sciences, compared 261 unvaccinated children with 405 partially or fully vaccinated children, and assessed their overall health based on their mothers' reports of vaccinations and physician-diagnosed illnesses. What it found about increases in immune-mediated diseases like allergies and neurodevelopmental diseases including autism, should make all parents think twice before they ever vaccinate again:

*Vaccinated children were over four-fold more likely to be diagnosed on the Autism Spectrum (OR 4.3)

*Vaccinated children were 30-fold more likely to be diagnosed with allergic rhinitis (hay fever) than non-vaccinated children

* Vaccinated children were 22-fold more likely to require an allergy medication than unvaccinated children

*Vaccinated children were over five-fold more likely to be diagnosed with a learning disability than unvaccinated children (OR 5.2)

*Vaccinated children were 340 percent more likely to be diagnosed with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder than unvaccinated children (OR 4.3)

* Vaccinated children were 5.9-fold more likely to have been diagnosed with pneumonia than unvaccinated children

*Vaccinated children were 3.8-fold more likely to be diagnosed with middle ear infection (otitis media) than unvaccinated children (OR 3.8)

*Vaccinated children were 700 percent more likely to have had surgery to insert ear drainage tubes than unvaccinated children (OR 8.1)

* Vaccinated children were 2.4-fold more likely to have been diagnosed with any chronic illness than unvaccinated children.

So, if you want your child's chances for autism, rhinitis, allergies, learning disabilities, ADHD, pneumonia, ear infections, ear tubes, and chronic illnesses to increase dramatically--yes, go ahead and get those vaccinations.

If the results were reversed, the media would say they are cause and effect. But because it is unvaccinated children fairing better, they will chalk it up to correlation.