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Chip wrote: ↑April 1st, 2019, 4:08 pm I think for petulant gay men with itchy prostates, there is no long game.

Chip wrote: ↑April 1st, 2019, 4:08 pm I think for petulant gay men with itchy prostates, there is no long game.

Toast wrote: ↑April 1st, 2019, 4:29 pm

Chip wrote: ↑April 1st, 2019, 4:08 pm I think for petulant gay men with itchy prostates, there is no long game.

This is cheap distraction that we should no longer entertain as it's already been covered.

nvr wrote: ↑April 1st, 2019, 12:59 pm Toast, you're wanting to talk about how this could have been written, what circumstances might have lead to some apostle writing it...

In my earnest attempt to protect the Saints from a perilous eternal destiny and abate any further shrinkage in the membership rolls, I felt that I must urgently do my best to save as many souls as possible in what I thought to be the ushering in of the last days, according to prophecy. “If I could keep some of these lost sheep from straying, I could preserve their heavenly inheritance and further bless

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their entire posterity,” I thought. Perhaps I could be the Lord’s Apostle who could find the formula, or the magic arguments, to bring people back to the fold and keep the flock intact. So I set out into enemy territory to learn about Satan’s tactics—to study his playbook and beat him at his own game. Again, I felt this was my duty as a Special Witness to the Lord.

I began to read and study with an open mind, in the way we are told Satan tempts his unwary targets to do. I wanted the same full perspective that those who succumb might experience before their fall.

I can no longer be a part of duping 16 million church members (only about 4 million active) simply because I am too afraid of how it may impact my own family, friends, and future. I can no longer live a lie, now that I know, unequivocally, that it is a lie.

Chip wrote: ↑April 1st, 2019, 6:08 pm

Toast wrote: ↑April 1st, 2019, 4:29 pm

Chip wrote: ↑April 1st, 2019, 4:08 pm I think for petulant gay men with itchy prostates, there is no long game.

This is cheap distraction that we should no longer entertain as it's already been covered.

Hold on, Toast. I thought the whole point of this thread was cheap distraction, as you make ridiculous assertions and pretend to hold court here, as some kind of enlightened arbiter. Your point is purely to cause agitation, though. I don't believe there is a shred of sincerity in anything you've said, beyond your desire to advocate gross sin. We've peeled your onion quite a bit, already, and it's been increasingly rotten.

B. wrote: ↑April 1st, 2019, 7:56 pm It's not that I don't believe an Apostle would or could ever leave the Church, but IF it did happen it would look nothing like that letter.

The letter was clearly written by the type of liberal ex-mormon atheist that spends a lot of time on r/exmormon.

Toast wrote: ↑March 28th, 2019, 6:41 pm I found this letter on another forum and I'm wondering what you guys think? This apostle will be leaving the church and lays out why in his letter. http://confessionofanapostle.ch

Toast wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2019, 6:15 pm

Toast wrote: ↑March 28th, 2019, 6:41 pm I found this letter on another forum and I'm wondering what you guys think? This apostle will be leaving the church and lays out why in his letter. http://confessionofanapostle.ch

Apparently the church shutdown the website. It's back again! Dedicated apostle for sure!
http://confessionofanapostle.ch

Toast wrote: ↑April 1st, 2019, 8:16 pm

B. wrote: ↑April 1st, 2019, 7:56 pm It's not that I don't believe an Apostle would or could ever leave the Church, but IF it did happen it would look nothing like that letter.

The letter was clearly written by the type of liberal ex-mormon atheist that spends a lot of time on r/exmormon.

It could very well have been an exmormon atheist. Why do you think a liberal one? I wouldn't think political affiliation is related to religious beliefs. Well except when the chruch teaches some ultra conservative Rexburg classes. Oh I can't recall what that class was called. I certainly don't remember any political stuff in the letter anyway.

If that's not a letter an Apostle would write, I couldn't imagine what one would look like then.

Alaris wrote: ↑April 4th, 2019, 2:51 am I can't believe this thread is still going.

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 4th, 2019, 4:37 am

Alaris wrote: ↑April 4th, 2019, 2:51 am I can't believe this thread is still going.

It had been dead for two days, but then Toast bumped it. I'd bet he's the author. It's definitely written by someone a lot younger and less experienced than any current Apostle.

Fiannan wrote: ↑April 4th, 2019, 10:02 am

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 4th, 2019, 4:37 am

Alaris wrote: ↑April 4th, 2019, 2:51 am I can't believe this thread is still going.

It had been dead for two days, but then Toast bumped it. I'd bet he's the author. It's definitely written by someone a lot younger and less experienced than any current Apostle.

Or it may be someone else who wrote it, who knows?

Toast wrote: ↑April 4th, 2019, 7:12 pm In other news, it looks like the Apostle's plan to "tarry a bit longer and influence the Church from within" may be working with the recent rollback of the 4 year old policy on LGBT.

• 2016, gay and bisexual men accounted for 82% of HIV diagnoses among males aged 13 and older.
  https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/index.html

• In 2014, gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men accounted for 83% of primary and secondary syphilis cases where sex of sex partner was known in the United States.
  https://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/STD.htm

• Anal sex risks include anal fissures, colon rupture and bacterial infection, and especially in cases of STDs, anal cancer.
  *The anus lacks the natural lubrication the vagina has.
  *The tissue inside the anus is not as well protected as the skin outside the anus.
  *The anus was designed to hold in feces.
  *The anus is full of bacteria.
  https://www.webmd.com/sex/anal-sex-health-concerns

Stahura wrote: ↑March 28th, 2019, 7:02 pm Just read through it. Not a chance it's legit, but I suppose the timing would indicate a departure around General Conference? Regardless, I don't believe it.

Hypothetically If something like this happened, who wants to place bets on how many members leave the church?

I'll throw 4 million out there.

Thinker wrote: ↑April 4th, 2019, 7:32 pm

Toast wrote: ↑April 4th, 2019, 7:12 pm In other news, it looks like the Apostle's plan to "tarry a bit longer and influence the Church from within" may be working with the recent rollback of the 4 year old policy on LGBT.

Do you realize that based on US nation-wide health reports, homosexuality statistically proves to be harmful?
Not only does it have much higher rates of STDs, AIDS/HIV and anal cancer, also even with those relatively few men - who act out homosexuality, who are careful about using protection etc to not spread STDs - also have risks of anal fissures, colon rupture and bacterial infection.

Why would you encourage behavior KNOWN to be harmful??
Why?
Do you hate people so much? Are you blinded by your own homosexual issues?
Or do you want so much to be liked that you go along with the popular thing, even if it means hurting others?
I don't get it.

If you really loved people, you would never encourage behavior so undeniably known to be harmful.

• 2016, gay and bisexual men accounted for 82% of HIV diagnoses among males aged 13 and older.
  https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/index.html

• In 2014, gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men accounted for 83% of primary and secondary syphilis cases where sex of sex partner was known in the United States.
  https://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/STD.htm

• Anal sex risks include anal fissures, colon rupture and bacterial infection, and especially in cases of STDs, anal cancer.
  *The anus lacks the natural lubrication the vagina has.
  *The tissue inside the anus is not as well protected as the skin outside the anus.
  *The anus was designed to hold in feces.
  *The anus is full of bacteria.
  https://www.webmd.com/sex/anal-sex-health-concerns

Why would anyone encourage homosexual behavior, when it's known to be harmful?
It seems to be a hateful, cruel thing to do.
To pretend that it's loving is even more deceptively evil.

Hie'ing to Kolob wrote: ↑April 4th, 2019, 8:40 pm

Stahura wrote: ↑March 28th, 2019, 7:02 pm Just read through it. Not a chance it's legit, but I suppose the timing would indicate a departure around General Conference? Regardless, I don't believe it.

Hypothetically If something like this happened, who wants to place bets on how many members leave the church?

I'll throw 4 million out there.

If it were Deiter U, it would be devastating to all but the ultra-orthodox who would welcome his departure. It would easily erase a couple generations of missionary work. Millions.

Stahura wrote: ↑April 4th, 2019, 8:46 pm

Thinker wrote: ↑April 4th, 2019, 7:32 pm

Toast wrote: ↑April 4th, 2019, 7:12 pm In other news, it looks like the Apostle's plan to "tarry a bit longer and influence the Church from within" may be working with the recent rollback of the 4 year old policy on LGBT.

Do you realize that based on US nation-wide health reports, homosexuality statistically proves to be harmful?
Not only does it have much higher rates of STDs, AIDS/HIV and anal cancer, also even with those relatively few men - who act out homosexuality, who are careful about using protection etc to not spread STDs - also have risks of anal fissures, colon rupture and bacterial infection.

Why would you encourage behavior KNOWN to be harmful??
Why?
Do you hate people so much? Are you blinded by your own homosexual issues?
Or do you want so much to be liked that you go along with the popular thing, even if it means hurting others?
I don't get it.

If you really loved people, you would never encourage behavior so undeniably known to be harmful.

• 2016, gay and bisexual men accounted for 82% of HIV diagnoses among males aged 13 and older.
  https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/index.html

• In 2014, gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men accounted for 83% of primary and secondary syphilis cases where sex of sex partner was known in the United States.
  https://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/STD.htm

• Anal sex risks include anal fissures, colon rupture and bacterial infection, and especially in cases of STDs, anal cancer.
  *The anus lacks the natural lubrication the vagina has.
  *The tissue inside the anus is not as well protected as the skin outside the anus.
  *The anus was designed to hold in feces.
  *The anus is full of bacteria.
  https://www.webmd.com/sex/anal-sex-health-concerns

Why would anyone encourage homosexual behavior, when it's known to be harmful?
It seems to be a hateful, cruel thing to do.
To pretend that it's loving is even more deceptively evil.

Request for Brian to narrow areas where this can be discussedto just outer darkness .save us

dezNatDefender wrote: ↑April 4th, 2019, 8:49 pm

Stahura wrote: ↑April 4th, 2019, 8:46 pm

Thinker wrote: ↑April 4th, 2019, 7:32 pm

Toast wrote: ↑April 4th, 2019, 7:12 pm In other news, it looks like the Apostle's plan to "tarry a bit longer and influence the Church from within" may be working with the recent rollback of the 4 year old policy on LGBT.

Do you realize that based on US nation-wide health reports, homosexuality statistically proves to be harmful?
Not only does it have much higher rates of STDs, AIDS/HIV and anal cancer, also even with those relatively few men - who act out homosexuality, who are careful about using protection etc to not spread STDs - also have risks of anal fissures, colon rupture and bacterial infection.

Why would you encourage behavior KNOWN to be harmful??
Why?
Do you hate people so much? Are you blinded by your own homosexual issues?
Or do you want so much to be liked that you go along with the popular thing, even if it means hurting others?
I don't get it.

If you really loved people, you would never encourage behavior so undeniably known to be harmful.

• 2016, gay and bisexual men accounted for 82% of HIV diagnoses among males aged 13 and older.
  https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/index.html

• In 2014, gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men accounted for 83% of primary and secondary syphilis cases where sex of sex partner was known in the United States.
  https://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/STD.htm

• Anal sex risks include anal fissures, colon rupture and bacterial infection, and especially in cases of STDs, anal cancer.
  *The anus lacks the natural lubrication the vagina has.
  *The tissue inside the anus is not as well protected as the skin outside the anus.
  *The anus was designed to hold in feces.
  *The anus is full of bacteria.
  https://www.webmd.com/sex/anal-sex-health-concerns

Why would anyone encourage homosexual behavior, when it's known to be harmful?
It seems to be a hateful, cruel thing to do.
To pretend that it's loving is even more deceptively evil.

Request for Brian to narrow areas where this can be discussed to just outer darkness .save us

Because you can't stand the truth?

Thinker wrote: ↑April 4th, 2019, 7:32 pm

Toast wrote: ↑April 4th, 2019, 7:12 pm In other news, it looks like the Apostle's plan to "tarry a bit longer and influence the Church from within" may be working with the recent rollback of the 4 year old policy on LGBT.

Do you realize that based on US nation-wide health reports, homosexuality statistically proves to be harmful?
Not only does it have much higher rates of STDs, AIDS/HIV and anal cancer, also even with those relatively few men - who act out homosexuality, who are careful about using protection etc to not spread STDs - also have risks of anal fissures, colon rupture and bacterial infection.

Why would you encourage behavior KNOWN to be harmful??
Why?
Do you hate people so much? Are you blinded by your own homosexual issues?
Or do you want so much to be liked that you go along with the popular thing, even if it means hurting others?
I don't get it.

If you really loved people, you would never encourage behavior so undeniably known to be harmful.

• 2016, gay and bisexual men accounted for 82% of HIV diagnoses among males aged 13 and older.
  https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/index.html

• In 2014, gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men accounted for 83% of primary and secondary syphilis cases where sex of sex partner was known in the United States.
  https://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/STD.htm

• Anal sex risks include anal fissures, colon rupture and bacterial infection, and especially in cases of STDs, anal cancer.
  *The anus lacks the natural lubrication the vagina has.
  *The tissue inside the anus is not as well protected as the skin outside the anus.
  *The anus was designed to hold in feces.
  *The anus is full of bacteria.
  https://www.webmd.com/sex/anal-sex-health-concerns

Why would anyone encourage homosexual behavior, when it's known to be harmful?
It seems to be a hateful, cruel thing to do.
To pretend that it's loving is even more deceptively evil.

Over 90% of anal cancers are caused by HPV. The number of new cases and deaths from anal cancer are increasing each year.

also even with those relatively few men - who act out homosexuality, who are careful about using protection etc to not spread STDs - also have risks of anal fissures, colon rupture and bacterial infection.
...
Do you hate people so much? Are you blinded by your own homosexual issues?
Or do you want so much to be liked that you go along with the popular thing, even if it means hurting others?
...
It seems to be a hateful, cruel thing to do.
To pretend that it's loving is even more deceptively evil.

Toast wrote: ↑April 4th, 2019, 9:40 pm

Thinker wrote: ↑April 4th, 2019, 7:32 pm

Toast wrote: ↑April 4th, 2019, 7:12 pm In other news, it looks like the Apostle's plan to "tarry a bit longer and influence the Church from within" may be working with the recent rollback of the 4 year old policy on LGBT.

Do you realize that based on US nation-wide health reports, homosexuality statistically proves to be harmful?
Not only does it have much higher rates of STDs, AIDS/HIV and anal cancer, also even with those relatively few men - who act out homosexuality, who are careful about using protection etc to not spread STDs - also have risks of anal fissures, colon rupture and bacterial infection.

Why would you encourage behavior KNOWN to be harmful??
Why?
Do you hate people so much? Are you blinded by your own homosexual issues?
Or do you want so much to be liked that you go along with the popular thing, even if it means hurting others?
I don't get it.

If you really loved people, you would never encourage behavior so undeniably known to be harmful.

• 2016, gay and bisexual men accounted for 82% of HIV diagnoses among males aged 13 and older.
  https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/index.html

• In 2014, gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men accounted for 83% of primary and secondary syphilis cases where sex of sex partner was known in the United States.
  https://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/STD.htm

• Anal sex risks include anal fissures, colon rupture and bacterial infection, and especially in cases of STDs, anal cancer.
  *The anus lacks the natural lubrication the vagina has.
  *The tissue inside the anus is not as well protected as the skin outside the anus.
  *The anus was designed to hold in feces.
  *The anus is full of bacteria.
  https://www.webmd.com/sex/anal-sex-health-concerns

Why would anyone encourage homosexual behavior, when it's known to be harmful?
It seems to be a hateful, cruel thing to do.
To pretend that it's loving is even more deceptively evil.

The premise on which you base your argument that "homosexual behavior is statistically known to be harmful" is fallacy.

Again, the claim that anal sex causes anal cancer is false. However, the increased risk of HPV when having gay sex can cause cancer, just as it can in women as well. This has nothing to do with "gay sex" as it's a risk to all people/genders having sex. Therefor, your argument is misleading. Read more at: https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/cau ... and-cancer

Over 90% of anal cancers are caused by HPV. The number of new cases and deaths from anal cancer are increasing each year.

also even with those relatively few men - who act out homosexuality, who are careful about using protection etc to not spread STDs - also have risks of anal fissures, colon rupture and bacterial infection.
...
Do you hate people so much? Are you blinded by your own homosexual issues?
Or do you want so much to be liked that you go along with the popular thing, even if it means hurting others?
...
It seems to be a hateful, cruel thing to do.
To pretend that it's loving is even more deceptively evil.

Women are at a higher risk of getting STDs then men. Using your quoted logic, that means you hate people and your blinded by your heterosexual righteousness because you just go along with the popular thing, even though that hurts people, it's a hateful cruel thing to do. And to pretend that it's loving? That's evil. [end quoted logic] Great argument! (big thumbs up) https://www.verywellhealth.com/can-i-ge ... -sex-49450

Most everything you do in life has risks and because something has slightly more risks then another, doesn't make it evil or wrong necessarily. The fallacy in your logic goes without saying.

Toast wrote: ↑April 4th, 2019, 9:40 pm ...that means you hate people and your blinded by your heterosexual righteousness because you just go along with the popular thing, even though that hurts people, it's a hateful cruel thing to do. And to pretend that it's loving? That's evil.
...

Toast wrote: ↑April 4th, 2019, 9:40 pm

Thinker wrote: ↑April 4th, 2019, 7:32 pm

Toast wrote: ↑April 4th, 2019, 7:12 pm In other news, it looks like the Apostle's plan to "tarry a bit longer and influence the Church from within" may be working with the recent rollback of the 4 year old policy on LGBT.

Do you realize that based on US nation-wide health reports, homosexuality statistically proves to be harmful?
Not only does it have much higher rates of STDs, AIDS/HIV and anal cancer, also even with those relatively few men - who act out homosexuality, who are careful about using protection etc to not spread STDs - also have risks of anal fissures, colon rupture and bacterial infection.

Why would you encourage behavior KNOWN to be harmful??
Why?
Do you hate people so much? Are you blinded by your own homosexual issues?
Or do you want so much to be liked that you go along with the popular thing, even if it means hurting others?
I don't get it.

If you really loved people, you would never encourage behavior so undeniably known to be harmful.

• 2016, gay and bisexual men accounted for 82% of HIV diagnoses among males aged 13 and older.
  https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/index.html

• In 2014, gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men accounted for 83% of primary and secondary syphilis cases where sex of sex partner was known in the United States.
  https://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/STD.htm

• Anal sex risks include anal fissures, colon rupture and bacterial infection, and especially in cases of STDs, anal cancer.
  *The anus lacks the natural lubrication the vagina has.
  *The tissue inside the anus is not as well protected as the skin outside the anus.
  *The anus was designed to hold in feces.
  *The anus is full of bacteria.
  https://www.webmd.com/sex/anal-sex-health-concerns

Why would anyone encourage homosexual behavior, when it's known to be harmful?
It seems to be a hateful, cruel thing to do.
To pretend that it's loving is even more deceptively evil.

The premise on which you base your argument that "homosexual behavior is statistically known to be harmful" is fallacy.

Again, the claim that anal sex causes anal cancer is false. However, the increased risk of HPV when having gay sex can cause cancer, just as it can in women as well. This has nothing to do with "gay sex" as it's a risk to all people/genders having sex. Therefor, your argument is misleading. Read more at: https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/cau ... and-cancer

Over 90% of anal cancers are caused by HPV. The number of new cases and deaths from anal cancer are increasing each year.

also even with those relatively few men - who act out homosexuality, who are careful about using protection etc to not spread STDs - also have risks of anal fissures, colon rupture and bacterial infection.
...
Do you hate people so much? Are you blinded by your own homosexual issues?
Or do you want so much to be liked that you go along with the popular thing, even if it means hurting others?
...
It seems to be a hateful, cruel thing to do.
To pretend that it's loving is even more deceptively evil.

Women are at a higher risk of getting STDs then men. Using your quoted logic, that means you hate people and your blinded by your heterosexual righteousness because you just go along with the popular thing, even though that hurts people, it's a hateful cruel thing to do. And to pretend that it's loving? That's evil. [end quoted logic] Great argument! (big thumbs up) https://www.verywellhealth.com/can-i-ge ... -sex-49450

Most everything you do in life has risks and because something has slightly more risks then another, doesn't make it evil or wrong necessarily. The fallacy in your logic goes without saying.