Benson against civil rights? Prejudice?

[Thinker]

This is genuinely a question, though admittedly a leading one. I have admired wisdom (especially regarding America and secret combinations) from Benson, so when I just read that he was against civil rights, accusing it of being driven by communist ideas, I was shocked. There are others on this forum who seem to have read more about Benson. Input welcome.

I can see how blacks in America have been duped to support the Democratic Party who originally was pro-slavery. So maybe there’s some truth in Benson’s fear, but was Benson prejudice and was that pushing part of his expressions against civil rights?

[shadow]

This is genuinely a question, though admittedly a leading one. I have admired wisdom (especially regarding America and secret combinations) from Benson, so when I just read that he was against civil rights, accusing it of being driven by communist ideas, I was shocked. There are others on this forum who seem to have read more about Benson. Input welcome.

I can see how blacks in America have been duped to support the Democratic Party who originally was pro-slavery. So maybe there’s some truth in Benson’s fear, but was Benson prejudice and was that pushing part of his expressions against civil rights?

Do you have a quote from Benson? I'd like to read the context.

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Its not wrong to say the civil rights movements which lead to wide spread civil unrest and eventually evolved into the SJW dystopia we live in today may not have been as virtuous as our public school teachers told us in the 90's:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xs5qX8ZSdIQ

[Thinker]

This is genuinely a question, though admittedly a leading one. I have admired wisdom (especially regarding America and secret combinations) from Benson, so when I just read that he was against civil rights, accusing it of being driven by communist ideas, I was shocked. There are others on this forum who seem to have read more about Benson. Input welcome.

I can see how blacks in America have been duped to support the Democratic Party who originally was pro-slavery. So maybe there’s some truth in Benson’s fear, but was Benson prejudice and was that pushing part of his expressions against civil rights?

Do you have a quote from Benson? I'd like to read the context.

In 1965, Benson wrote a book called, Civil Rights: A Tool of Communist Deception
Quotes may be available somewhere out there but the book is out of print.
https://www.amazon.com/Civil-rights-too ... B0007FRU42

Still, I did find his quote:

• ”Would anyone deny that the President [Lyndon Johnson], the chief law enforcer in the United States, belies his position by playing gracious host to the late Martin L. King who has preached disobedience to laws which in his opinion are unjust?” -(Ezra Taft Benson, “It Can Happen Here,” in “An Enemy Hath Done This,” Jerreld L. Newquist, comp. [Salt Lake City, Utah: Parliament Publishers, 1969], pp. 103, 310)

[Thinker]

I just realized, Kirtland brought up a similar topic a while ago, just from a different view...

"As far back as 1928, the communists declared that the cultural, economic, and social differences between the races in America could be exploited by them to create the animosity, fear, and hatred between large segments of our people that would be necessary beginning ingredients for their revolution..."Here is a not often published(this is a conference talk) warning about Satan's mayhem in the last days.https://sites.google.com/site/heavenlybanner/crtool
One of the great anti communist crusaders of the twentieth century pulls back the curtain on Satan's plan to break apart the U.S.A.. Here is evidence of a new bench mark in crazinesshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY8sXdDxXQI.

[tdj]

I think the whole problem with civil rights and equality got in trouble when the government got involved. I think we all can agree that the idea of minorities or certain groups not being allowed to drink out of certain water fountains or eat in restaurants is absurd. Even back when it was going on the VAST majority of people thought it was ridiculous. Thankfully, it was only going on in a very small part of the world, and in a small part of the United States at that. Some militant groups now would have us believe this was a nationwide problem, but it wasn't.
People back in the day had much more common sense then we like to give them credit for, and they were much more right about things then we like to give them credit for. We just don't hear it much, because such speech has basically been banned. It's like if a bilingual parent refused to speak their native tongue in front of their children, but instead only spoke English, well, that's a generation cut off and will never know the language. It only takes ONE generation to lose everything. We've lost SO much, and we don't even truly realize the scope.

[Serragon]

I think Benson's issue is with the method more than the objective.

All of the civil rights movements have eventually morphed into supremacist movements.

[Juliet]

It seems like now days civil law is used to take away all kinds of rights. People are fired for having their speech taken out of context, people are not allowed in public places if they don't adhere to the Center for Disease Control, people are charged with neglect and abuse for letting their kids play outside, they are charged for having a wood stove, moving water in the backyard, not wearing a seat belt, owning a rooster, selling garden goods to their neighbor, collecting rain water, having someone come to your home for a haircut, operating a lemonade stand, bringing a beverage to a football stadium, thinking you have rights to minerals, metals, or oils on your property, not caring for your lawn, watering your lawn too much, owning bumpstocks, not filling out a census survey about your household income and personal information, not paying property tax on vehicle and home yearly,

Where exactly does civil law end and communism begin?

If civil law is related to civil rights then President Benson was right on the money.

[Thinker]

I realize “social justice warring” has gone way too far now. But imagine back in the 1960’s when there was REAL prejudice. I grew up in the 80’s in CA (pretty diverse ethnically) and still noticed and felt tempted to believe it - even ever so subtly.

Was Benson thinking in terms of all-or-nothing (either-or) & insisting civil rights were inseparable to communism? As if it was either civil rights & communism OR no civil rights & no communism? He saw negative potential (maybe even secret plans) for the civil rights movement to warp into some craziness we have today (like ANTIFA mobs & anti-free-speech). His eye seem focused on the future catastrophic possibilities while ignoring the lynching (killings), and other horrible treatment of blacks in his current situation.

[David13]

I think the whole problem with civil rights and equality got in trouble when the government got involved. I think we all can agree that the idea of minorities or certain groups not being allowed to drink out of certain water fountains or eat in restaurants is absurd. Even back when it was going on the VAST majority of people thought it was ridiculous. Thankfully, it was only going on in a very small part of the world, and in a small part of the United States at that. Some militant groups now would have us believe this was a nationwide problem, but it wasn't.
People back in the day had much more common sense then we like to give them credit for, and they were much more right about things then we like to give them credit for. We just don't hear it much, because such speech has basically been banned. It's like if a bilingual parent refused to speak their native tongue in front of their children, but instead only spoke English, well, that's a generation cut off and will never know the language. It only takes ONE generation to lose everything. We've lost SO much, and we don't even truly realize the scope.

Not really true. Segregation was known to be far more rampant in the north than in the south. California was long known as a racially open state, but I can tell you about some rather interesting laws and policies that went on, that people living in Los Angeles today won't believe. But it was true.
dc

[David13]

I just realized, Kirtland brought up a similar topic a while ago, just from a different view...

"As far back as 1928, the communists declared that the cultural, economic, and social differences between the races in America could be exploited by them to create the animosity, fear, and hatred between large segments of our people that would be necessary beginning ingredients for their revolution..."Here is a not often published(this is a conference talk) warning about Satan's mayhem in the last days.https://sites.google.com/site/heavenlybanner/crtool
One of the great anti communist crusaders of the twentieth century pulls back the curtain on Satan's plan to break apart the U.S.A.. Here is evidence of a new bench mark in crazinesshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY8sXdDxXQI.

There is no question but what the civil rights movement was long ago hijacked by the communists/socialists.
dc

[SouEu]

Black Lives Matter is affiliated with the Communist party:

http://www.cpusa.org/article_tag/black-lives-matter/

If you look closely at the pictures of their rallies (riots), and look at the pre-printed posters, you will see certain web addresses on the bottom. Go there and you will see even more.

The communist parties and socialist parties are affiliated with all sorts of civil rights groups, also including Mecha and La Raza. They are all in bed together, to stir up contention and foment hate. Their ultimate goal is to bring down this nation.

[creator]

I agree with Benson on his stance regarding the so-called civil rights movement. Here's more to help better educate you:

...the same masters of deceit are showing the same false solicitude for the unfortunate in the name of civil rights.

Now there is nothing wrong with civil rights; it is what's being done in the name of civil rights that is alarming.

There is no doubt that the so-called civil rights movement as it exists today is used as a Communist program for revolution in America just as agrarian reform was used by the Communists to take over China and Cuba....

This plan is as follows: Using unidentified Communist agents and non-Communist sympathizers in key positions in government, in communications media, and in mass organizations, such as labor unions and civil rights groups, demand more and more government power as the solution to all civil rights problems. Total government is the objective of Communism. Without calling it by name, build Communism piece by piece through mass pressures for presidential decrees, court orders, and legislation that appear to be aimed at improving civil rights and other social reforms. If there is social, economic, or educational discrimination, then advocate more government programs and control.

...

Further encroachment of government should be stopped and the entire process reversed. The solution to most, if not all, of the current problems involving civil rights is less government, not more.

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The success or failure of Americans of all races to meet this challenge may well determine the fate of our country. If we fail, we will all lose our civil rights, black man and white man together, for we will live under perfect Communist equality–the equality of slaves.

Satanic threat to peace, liberty and God's work

Source: Trust Not In the Arm of Flesh by Ezra Taft Benson

[passionflower]

The CPUSA has its membership rather heavy on the black side, and it has always been this way.
In my own mind, I consider this the fulfillment of the D &C 87:4 " And it shall come to pass , after many days, slaves shall rise up against their masters, who shall be marshalled and disciplined for war. "

Just my take on it. When I think of communism, I think of war and revolution. The Communist Manifesto existed way before the war between the states, and Karl Marx talks as if he is a supporter of this war.

[thestock]

President Benson is my favorite 1900's prophet.....he was the MAN! He was not being racist or anything else. He was telling it like it is.....Civil Rights, while decent, was used as a tool by the communists....same thing that we see today with Occupy Wall Street, The Green New Deal, and all the LGBT movement agenda. LGBT is a great example of how you can take a decent thing (treating people who are different) and use it as a tool to oppress, vilify, and eliminate your political foes.

[David13]

The CPUSA has its membership rather heavy on the black side, and it has always been this way.
In my own mind, I consider this the fulfillment of the D &C 87:4 " And it shall come to pass , after many days, slaves shall rise up against their masters, who shall be marshalled and disciplined for war. "

Just my take on it. When I think of communism, I think of war and revolution. The Communist Manifesto existed way before the war between the states, and Karl Marx talks as if he is a supporter of this war.

Passionflower
Without regard to the communist propaganda, people of black skin ceased to be slaves long ago. Unless you think D&C means 'wage slaves'.
dc

[The Airbender]

This is genuinely a question, though admittedly a leading one. I have admired wisdom (especially regarding America and secret combinations) from Benson, so when I just read that he was against civil rights, accusing it of being driven by communist ideas, I was shocked. There are others on this forum who seem to have read more about Benson. Input welcome.

I can see how blacks in America have been duped to support the Democratic Party who originally was pro-slavery. So maybe there’s some truth in Benson’s fear, but was Benson prejudice and was that pushing part of his expressions against civil rights?

I studied this topic for awhile. I don't remember any of the resources or really what the specifics were. Here is what I do remember. I arrived at the conclusion that President Benson was mostly correct. Civil Rights movements were led by evil men with wicked intentions. Sorry, that's really all I have.

There is a right way and a wrong way to go about freedom, and the Civil Rights movements were the wrong way. Like, why does a woman need a seperate vote from men? We say it is evil to keep women from voting but in reality a couple should vote together and the mother raises the boys into men and that is how she votes, etc, etc, etc. I'm all for women voting and freedom, but in such a case the effect is to divide or at least reduce the emphasis from families to individuals.

It was several things like that.

[David13]

This is genuinely a question, though admittedly a leading one. I have admired wisdom (especially regarding America and secret combinations) from Benson, so when I just read that he was against civil rights, accusing it of being driven by communist ideas, I was shocked. There are others on this forum who seem to have read more about Benson. Input welcome.

I can see how blacks in America have been duped to support the Democratic Party who originally was pro-slavery. So maybe there’s some truth in Benson’s fear, but was Benson prejudice and was that pushing part of his expressions against civil rights?

I studied this topic for awhile. I don't remember any of the resources or really what the specifics were. Here is what I do remember. I arrived at the conclusion that President Benson was mostly correct. Civil Rights movements were led by evil men with wicked intentions. Sorry, that's really all I have.

There is a right way and a wrong way to go about freedom, and the Civil Rights movements were the wrong way. Like, why does a woman need a seperate vote from men? We say it is evil to keep women from voting but in reality a couple should vote together and the mother raises the boys into men and that is how she votes, etc, etc, etc. I'm all for women voting and freedom, but in such a case the effect is to divide or at least reduce the emphasis from families to individuals.

It was several things like that.

Exactly. The "independent woman" became too independent.
dc

[Thinker]

I just realized, Kirtland brought up a similar topic a while ago, just from a different view...

"As far back as 1928, the communists declared that the cultural, economic, and social differences between the races in America could be exploited by them to create the animosity, fear, and hatred between large segments of our people that would be necessary beginning ingredients for their revolution..."Here is a not often published(this is a conference talk) warning about Satan's mayhem in the last days.https://sites.google.com/site/heavenlybanner/crtool
One of the great anti communist crusaders of the twentieth century pulls back the curtain on Satan's plan to break apart the U.S.A.. Here is evidence of a new bench mark in crazinesshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY8sXdDxXQI.

There is no question but what the civil rights movement was long ago hijacked by the communists/socialists.
dc

“Hijacked” seems to be the best term - not that civil rights are wrong.

[Thinker]

This is genuinely a question, though admittedly a leading one. I have admired wisdom (especially regarding America and secret combinations) from Benson, so when I just read that he was against civil rights, accusing it of being driven by communist ideas, I was shocked. There are others on this forum who seem to have read more about Benson. Input welcome.

I can see how blacks in America have been duped to support the Democratic Party who originally was pro-slavery. So maybe there’s some truth in Benson’s fear, but was Benson prejudice and was that pushing part of his expressions against civil rights?

I studied this topic for awhile. I don't remember any of the resources or really what the specifics were. Here is what I do remember. I arrived at the conclusion that President Benson was mostly correct. Civil Rights movements were led by evil men with wicked intentions. Sorry, that's really all I have.

There is a right way and a wrong way to go about freedom, and the Civil Rights movements were the wrong way. Like, why does a woman need a seperate vote from men? We say it is evil to keep women from voting but in reality a couple should vote together and the mother raises the boys into men and that is how she votes, etc, etc, etc. I'm all for women voting and freedom, but in such a case the effect is to divide or at least reduce the emphasis from families to individuals.

It was several things like that.

A woman is a separate individual - whether married or not.

I’m wondering if at least some degree of racism and chauvinism colored Benson’s outlook and speeches/writings. I realize both affirmative action etc & feminism have been hijacked or taken to warped extremes, but before the pendulum swung too far the other way.

[David13]

I just realized, Kirtland brought up a similar topic a while ago, just from a different view...

"As far back as 1928, the communists declared that the cultural, economic, and social differences between the races in America could be exploited by them to create the animosity, fear, and hatred between large segments of our people that would be necessary beginning ingredients for their revolution..."Here is a not often published(this is a conference talk) warning about Satan's mayhem in the last days.https://sites.google.com/site/heavenlybanner/crtool
One of the great anti communist crusaders of the twentieth century pulls back the curtain on Satan's plan to break apart the U.S.A.. Here is evidence of a new bench mark in crazinesshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY8sXdDxXQI.

There is no question but what the civil rights movement was long ago hijacked by the communists/socialists.
dc

“Hijacked” seems to be the best term - not that civil rights are wrong.

Civil rights are a good thing.

The most important right a woman has is to defend herself. With deadly force, if necessary, which includes a gun.

The most important civil right we all have is the same. Yes, to carry a gun.

No, civil rights does not mean you get more than one welfare check, since one isn't enough for you. (No, not a personal you. A generic, garden variety you, meaning, someone, anyone.)
dc

[Thinker]

I just realized, Kirtland brought up a similar topic a while ago, just from a different view...

There is no question but what the civil rights movement was long ago hijacked by the communists/socialists.
dc

“Hijacked” seems to be the best term - not that civil rights are wrong.

Civil rights are a good thing.

The most important right a woman has is to defend herself. With deadly force, if necessary, which includes a gun.

The most important civil right we all have is the same. Yes, to carry a gun.

No, civil rights does not mean you get more than one welfare check, since one isn't enough for you. (No, not a personal you. A generic, garden variety you, meaning, someone, anyone.)
dc

Good point.

I also agree with the implication that the “civil rights” movement became warped with hijacking black Americans to support the democrat party, despite them being pro-slavery & despite democrat push to keep them enslaved via welfare.

It seems that “civil rights” are basically the assertion of the bill of rights to everyone... except children under a certain age - they have not been given the right to life due to abortions. You can refer to a precise list of the bill of rights, but not civil rights. Why?

[The Airbender]

There is no question but what the civil rights movement was long ago hijacked by the communists/socialists.
dc

“Hijacked” seems to be the best term - not that civil rights are wrong.

Civil rights are a good thing.

The most important right a woman has is to defend herself. With deadly force, if necessary, which includes a gun.

The most important civil right we all have is the same. Yes, to carry a gun.

No, civil rights does not mean you get more than one welfare check, since one isn't enough for you. (No, not a personal you. A generic, garden variety you, meaning, someone, anyone.)
dc

Good point.

I also agree with the implication that the “civil rights” movement became warped with hijacking black Americans to support the democrat party, despite them being pro-slavery & despite democrat push to keep them enslaved via welfare.

It seems that “civil rights” are basically the assertion of the bill of rights to everyone... except children under a certain age - they have not been given the right to life due to abortions. You can refer to a precise list of the bill of rights, but not civil rights. Why?

Right, we'll the real problem, or a part of it is the fact that we ate calling them civil rights. That means we are petitioning the government to give these rights instead of recognizing the right as natural, or God-given, inalienable.

[Thinker]

Yeah, it seems that “civil rights” are more changing and selectively applied, but essentially the bill of rights are applicable to everyone.

• “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”- US Declaration of Independence

[David13]

Yeah, it seems that “civil rights” are more changing and selectively applied, but essentially the bill of rights are applicable to everyone.

• “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”- US Declaration of Independence

Created equal.

That does not mean to be made equal later in life by government, in some way, such as ... "Affirmative Action", which is nothing but pure racism, and unequal.
dc