Gay Conversion Therapy

[Dusty52]

I am not having a go at anything or anyone
I am just try to seek enlightenment on the subject
At the moment I'm trying to put my life in order, with a little help from some of the people on this fantastic forum, I need to get back into the "boat" I want to thank those who have sent me postive thoughts and prayers, they have really made a big difference to me. Then I had a dilemma should I go back to being the old cynical and critical dusty or should I find a new role or path! I considered being a reactionary poster and not posting original thought and content but after communicating with Brian I have decided to do what I have always done, but doing it perhaps less often, its difficult, I've got to curb my inclination to post although I have limitless topics I want to better understand!
we will see how it goes!
To the matter in hand
GCT, I have heard that this is happening within the church, some people are actually going through this process, is this true?

[rimbauer.peter]

As far as I can tell, most of your threads on this forum were quite interesting to read and they got a lot of responses. Being cinical is never a solution although I quote often find myself being one. Critical, on the other hand, can be very useful if used properly. So, if I can have a say in it, keep posting whatever you like.
About the question.
I have been thinking about this issue for quite some time. In my oppinion no matter what weaknesses, sins, natural attitude etc. we have if we want to follow Christ, we need to leave all of them behind. We need to act against our natural instincts, the natural man. So, what I'm trying to say is that there could easily be a lot of other therapies as well: for adulterers, liars, chronic masturbators, drug addicts and so on.

[Dave62]

I have read that it comes down to individual agency. Conversion therapy seems to have a very low success rate unless the patient is fully choosing to participate. Kind of makes sense in the light of personal agency. Sorry but no references to call upon.

[LukeAir2008]

Yes BYU did it back in the 70’s. They would wire your penis up to the electrical power and then show you pornographic images of men and women. If you got an erection when seeing the naked men you would be given an electric shock and this then made you associate gay sexual activity with something very unpleasant. If you were hard core masochist you could up the pain level to give you a real killer jolt.

[dezNatDefender]

Yes BYU did it back in the 70’s. They would wire your penis up to the electrical power and then show you pornographic images of men and women. If you got an erection when seeing the naked men you would begiven an electric shock and this then made you associate gay sexual activity with something very unpleasant. If you were hard core masochist you could up the pain level to give you a real killer jolt.

Psychologists did a lot of horrific things back in the 70s and previously.
Stanford's Prison experiment.
Milgram's obedience experiment.
The Beecher paper (injecting live cancer cells into people).
MK Ultra-it wasn't just a CIA thing, when the drugs first came out "doctors" experimented at Harvard medical school and other schools with hard core narcotics on people.

There is one study performed back in the 50s on homosexuals not using electric shock but pornography and live hookers and the homosexual-after exposure to porn over a period of time and then set up with a night with a hooker- was said to have "performed admirably".There were Nazi like experiments using gas in the USA prior to WW2.

There were lobotomies. If you want something real sick-look at what old Joe Kennedy did to his daughter Rosemary . . . .just sick.

Nobody uses electro-shock therapy anymore . .. except in the mental health professions for people who are mentally ill. It's actually called electroconvulsion therapy (ECT), and it's used to stop psychosis or psychotic behaviors in mentally ill patients. It causes severe brain trauma for these individuals and has very bad consequences.

So if people want to be consistent, then they should be against ECT, not homosexual conversion therapies.

[Lizzy60]

This is currently a hot topic in Utah because there was a bill before the legislature banning any kind of gay therapy. Problems arose when clergy and parents were exempted, meaning a bishop or parent could try to talk a youth out of being gay. However, legitimate therapists were told they couldn't use "talk therapy" and this was debated on the grounds of free speech among other points. The bill was watered down and then shelved.

It really didn't make sense that if you have a young man who is bothered about being gay, and would prefer to be straight, then an untrained and unregulated church leader or parent can use whatever form of conversion therapy they want to try, but the person educated, trained, and licensed to counsel people is not allowed to use any sort of conversion therapy, including just talking about it, even if the youth wants to try to change.

[simpleton]

This is currently a hot topic in Utah because there was a bill before the legislature banning any kind of gay therapy. Problems arose when clergy and parents were exempted, meaning a bishop or parent could try to talk a youth out of being gay. However, legitimate therapists were told they couldn't use "talk therapy" and this was debated on the grounds of free speech among other points. The bill was watered down and then shelved.

It really didn't make sense that if you have a young man who is bothered about being gay, and would prefer to be straight, then an untrained and unregulated church leader or parent can use whatever form of conversion therapy they want to try, but the person educated, trained, and licensed to counsel people is not allowed to use any sort of conversion therapy, including just talking about it, even if the youth wants to try to change.

All of the " educated, trained and licensed counselors" in the world will not not change a sinner that does not genuinely and humbly and honestly appeal to God for deliverance from the evil of sodomy and of course other sins. IMO, an "untrained" man of God, who is truly in posession of Gods Spirit, will "help" the sodomite by far for more than any "trained" counsler or "psychiatrist" or "psychotherapist". And, the man of God will simply command him to repent. And if he refuses to repent, then cometh destruction. Of course that is on Gods time, Not ours.
But with what is going on now in "Zion", we ought to be very alarmed as to the reason/reasons why we are being cursed with this "reprobate spirit" amongst our people......
Apostle Paul has the answer in Roman's 1.....

[Lizzy60]

This is currently a hot topic in Utah because there was a bill before the legislature banning any kind of gay therapy. Problems arose when clergy and parents were exempted, meaning a bishop or parent could try to talk a youth out of being gay. However, legitimate therapists were told they couldn't use "talk therapy" and this was debated on the grounds of free speech among other points. The bill was watered down and then shelved.

It really didn't make sense that if you have a young man who is bothered about being gay, and would prefer to be straight, then an untrained and unregulated church leader or parent can use whatever form of conversion therapy they want to try, but the person educated, trained, and licensed to counsel people is not allowed to use any sort of conversion therapy, including just talking about it, even if the youth wants to try to change.

All of the " educated, trained and licensed counselors" in the world will not not change a sinner that does not genuinely and humbly and honestly appeal to God for deliverance from the evil of sodomy and of course other sins. IMO, an "untrained" man of God, who is truly in posession of Gods Spirit, will "help" the sodomite by far for more than any "trained" counsler or "psychiatrist" or "psychotherapist". And, the man of God will simply command him to repent. And if he refuses to repent, then cometh destruction. Of course that is on Gods time, Not ours.
But with what is going on now in "Zion", we ought to be very alarmed as to the reason/reasons why we are being cursed with this "reprobate spirit" amongst our people......
Apostle Paul has the answer in Roman's 1.....

I agree with you, simpleton. However, the pro-gay groups in Utah have no use, nor any need for repentance. They are constantly saying that homosexuality is the same as being born red-headed or left-handed. It's out of their control, and there's NOTHING wrong with it. Any attempt to cause someone to believe it would be good to repent from homosexual thoughts or actions is abhorred by them. They think that if they could get the lawmakers to ban gay conversion therapy in the medical field, it would also help to discredit bishops or parents who try to counsel LGBT youth.

I should have clarified that it didn't make sense to the trained therapists that bishops or parents could talk to gay youth about things the therapists couldn't, and that's why they opposed the bill, while the Church was not opposing it, as long as the clergy exemption was there.

Have you read what the LDS pro-gay-marriage advocates are saying they believe? It's like night and day, there is no middle ground with them. They are right, gay sex is a beautiful gift from God, and the LDS leadership in SLC are old men, homophobic haters, and are not asking God for further light and knowledge. Rather than being cursed with a "reprobate spirit" amongst our people, they claim that LGBT youth have been preserved to come forth at this time to bring new light and knowledge that there is absolutely nothing wrong or sinful with gay sexual relations. Just as there is nothing wrong or sinful about having red hair. They claim we, as a church, were wrong about blacks, banning them from the temple and priesthood, and we, as a church are wrong about this.

There is no one more clear on the abhorrence God has for homosexual activity (not the person) than I am. I am just gobsmacked that we (church leaders and members) have allowed the pro-gay lobby to be so vocal in church meetings and firesides. We have brought Satan into our midst and thrown him a party.

[simpleton]

This is currently a hot topic in Utah because there was a bill before the legislature banning any kind of gay therapy. Problems arose when clergy and parents were exempted, meaning a bishop or parent could try to talk a youth out of being gay. However, legitimate therapists were told they couldn't use "talk therapy" and this was debated on the grounds of free speech among other points. The bill was watered down and then shelved.

It really didn't make sense that if you have a young man who is bothered about being gay, and would prefer to be straight, then an untrained and unregulated church leader or parent can use whatever form of conversion therapy they want to try, but the person educated, trained, and licensed to counsel people is not allowed to use any sort of conversion therapy, including just talking about it, even if the youth wants to try to change.

All of the " educated, trained and licensed counselors" in the world will not not change a sinner that does not genuinely and humbly and honestly appeal to God for deliverance from the evil of sodomy and of course other sins. IMO, an "untrained" man of God, who is truly in posession of Gods Spirit, will "help" the sodomite by far for more than any "trained" counsler or "psychiatrist" or "psychotherapist". And, the man of God will simply command him to repent. And if he refuses to repent, then cometh destruction. Of course that is on Gods time, Not ours.
But with what is going on now in "Zion", we ought to be very alarmed as to the reason/reasons why we are being cursed with this "reprobate spirit" amongst our people......
Apostle Paul has the answer in Roman's 1.....

I agree with you, simpleton. However, the pro-gay groups in Utah have no use, nor any need for repentance. They are constantly saying that homosexuality is the same as being born red-headed or left-handed. It's out of their control, and there's NOTHING wrong with it. Any attempt to cause someone to believe it would be good to repent from homosexual thoughts or actions is abhorred by them. They think that if they could get the lawmakers to ban gay conversion therapy in the medical field, it would also help to discredit bishops or parents who try to counsel LGBT youth.

I should have clarified that it didn't make sense to the trained therapists that bishops or parents could talk to gay youth about things the therapists couldn't, and that's why they opposed the bill, while the Church was not opposing it, as long as the clergy exemption was there.

Have you read what the LDS pro-gay-marriage advocates are saying they believe? It's like night and day, there is no middle ground with them. They are right, gay sex is a beautiful gift from God, and the LDS leadership in SLC are old men, homophobic haters, and are not asking God for further light and knowledge. Rather than being cursed with a "reprobate spirit" amongst our people, they claim that LGBT youth have been preserved to come forth at this time to bring new light and knowledge that there is absolutely nothing wrong or sinful with gay sexual relations. Just as there is nothing wrong or sinful about having red hair. They claim we, as a church, were wrong about blacks, banning them from the temple and priesthood, and we, as a church are wrong about this.

There is no one more clear on the abhorrence God has for homosexual activity (not the person) than I am. I am just gobsmacked that we (church leaders and members) have allowed the pro-gay lobby to be so vocal in church meetings and firesides. We have brought Satan into our midst and thrown him a party.

The whole thing is a sick mess...

[Lizzy60]

Yep. I just read that students at BYU-Idaho are organizing a group for LGBTQ students and allies. They are raising money with the goal of sponsoring a Pride event in Rexburg, since the closest Pride parade/event is in Salt Lake, and that's too far. One of the rules of their group is no judgement.
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Understanding Sexuality, Gender and Allyship-Rexburg, also known as USGA-Rexburg, is an unofficial group of Brigham Young University-Idaho students and residents of Rexburg who wish to strengthen individuals and the community by providing a place for open, respectful discussions about LGBTQ+ issues.

USGA-Rexburg is a safe place for all. Its purpose is to provide an environment of unconditional acceptance. It is a place where people come to find and further their understanding, compassion, love and empathy without judgement or criticism as well as a vehicle to promote awareness. We ask all involved to participate with an open mind in order to help foster a community where these ideals can be met.
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The Adversary is working overtime to get to our children. Gay marriage, feminism, socialism (communism) are all being embraced by BYU students. FEW will be able to resist, because even BYU Professor Eric Huntsman spoke at the North Star convention this weekend, promoting love and kindness toward LGBTQ students. No one dares call homosexuality a sin any more, as that would be unkind.

[The Airbender]

I know entities both evil and unclean are involved in homosexual attraction as well as a number of traumas from this life and inherited. I mean, no two cases are alike.

However, there almost always needs to be a clearing of negative energy and a casting out of the entities that were attached to that energy.

[Dusty52]

I grew up being told it was learned behaviour and that someone couldn't be born "gay"
I don't know what to think anymore
I've known some people who would regard themselves as"gay" one of them said to me it is almost impossible to try and change preference from being gay to hetrosexual, they said could you turn from hetrosexuality to being gay?
I don't know what to think anymore, all I know is that those who practice it are not doing God's will, they should not be castigated, condemned or demonized afterall they are still God's children and if they can repent and change their ways they can sit in one of the holy temples washed clean from the blood of the lamb, what they do need is our love and support not for what they are doing but for who they are a child of God!

[rimbauer.peter]

All I know is that those who practice it are not doing God's will, they should not be castigated, condemned or demonized afterall they are still God's children and if they can repent and change their ways they can sit in one of the holy temples washed clean from the blood of the lamb, what they do need is our love and support not for what they are doing but for who they are a child of God!

That is light and truth right there!

[simpleton]

I grew up being told it was learned behaviour and that someone couldn't be born "gay"
I don't know what to think anymore
I've known some people who would regard themselves as"gay" one of them said to me it is almost impossible to try and change preference from being gay to hetrosexual, they said could you turn from hetrosexuality to being gay?
I don't know what to think anymore, all I know is that those who practice it are not doing God's will, they should not be castigated, condemned or demonized afterall they are still God's children and if they can repent and change their ways they can sit in one of the holy temples washed clean from the blood of the lamb, what they do need is our love and support not for what they are doing but for who they are a child of God!

But what they are getting is love and support for WHAT they are doing. And that is the overall agenda. And that is what they all want/wanted in the first place. And it is actually the "straight" that are getting castigated, demonized and condemned for not accepting, or for at least not tolerating them. Society is being turned upside down.

[Dusty52]

I take your point, I get what you are saying also
It's a very complex situation there are no easy answers

[Dusty52]

I take your point, I get what you are saying, unfortunately its swung too far the other way now
It's a very complex situation there are no easy answers

[simpleton]

I take your point, I get what you are saying, unfortunately its swung too far the other way now
It's a very complex situation there are no easy answers

Well, Lot was warned to get out as God decreed imminent total destruction. By fire no less.
So maybe we should just get out instead of compromising.
Lehi was warned to get out, so he left as commanded.
Interesting how the righteous leave and the wicked stay put.
The infiltration is just about complete, they are after our children and they have pretty much won the battle for ours and our childrens minds. And that is what the diablo has always wanted.

Vice is a monster of so frightful mien
As to be hated needs but to be seen;
Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face,
We first endure, then pity, then embrace.....

[Thinker]

I take your point, I get what you are saying, unfortunately its swung too far the other way now

A lot of psychological practices in the past were plain wrong. But that doesn’t mean that ALL therapy to correct sexual disorders are wrong. Homosexuality is a disorder - as in not part of the natural order. Left to themselves the human race would die, plus statistically homosexuality kills and makes people suffer - which is also against nature. Homosexual activists use any tiny excuse to see themselves as victims and right - so they blew up past problems to justify, as you mentioned - going too far.

Now, children (who often pretend to be dinosaurs etc) are prohibited from getting any therapy if they get stuck on pretending to be the opposite gender. And some - even parents - praise “coming out” making it more probable their child will get stuck in dysfunctional gender identity disorder - when they get attention. These poor children are led by insane people.

Not many years ago, I took classes that taught us about types of abuse. It was horrible - heart-wrenching. After seeing horrific pictures of abuse, the teacher showed us a child in a dress with long hair & asked us to guess what abuse this child suffered. It turned out this child was a boy but his mom wanted a girl so she dressed him up as a girl. That was considered abuse but now it not only is not considered abuse - it has become against the law for parents to correct particular delusions (gender identity disorder). Indeed - it’s swung way too far.