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I've said it before KoZ, and I'll say again what most people seem to be afraid to say -- because you never seem to just regurgitate the conventional wisdom -- but you seem to have a better grasp of most of this stuff than just about anyone else I've ever run into. Thanks for continuing to share your thoughts and understanding, despite the fact that it virtually always goes against the grain.

I truly wonder that all the time. I see people that are basically asleep in life, wandering around with no apparent purpose. Then there are those that dream and make goals and prepare for a life full of enrichment that will leave a legacy for generations to come. Then there are those that arrive and become broken, whether it be mind or body that get beat upon the rocky shores of life their whole time. I would find myself in the latter. I had a Zone Leader ask us to write down our experiences for a month, both positive and negative. He said he was sure Heavenly Father would bless us with more positive than negative. My negative column far outnumbered the positive. The only reason I stayed on the mission or even in the church, is I know it's true. All I have is hope that some day the Atonement will make things right. Until then, this broken man will remain.

thestock wrote: ↑March 14th, 2019, 12:26 pm None of us knows for sure why, but we all have in common the belief that we kept our first estate and were willing to be tried and tempted in the mortal realm to prove ourselves worthy to return to the presence of God and receive our second estates.

I am here currently to have joy, to enjoy my earthly experience, to grow and nurture my relationship with my wife and my kids, to excel in my professional career, to have as much sex with my wife as I possibly can, to teach my kids the best I can according to the wisdom of my own experience and the gospel truths so they can also live a blessed life.

"None of us knows for sure why"

I think we can know, if not all, at least part of why we are here. Why we specifically chose to come to Earth and get a body.

Christ knew His mission.

Jeremiah was told about his as an adult.

Our patriarchal blessings open up some of the reasons.

I guess part of why I asked is that I am fond of saying, "Life if harder than I though it was going to be. I don't know exactly what I expected, but I know it is harder." There are some things I know, even if I can't quite remember.

I can't be the only one who has had some things I have known about my future since I was a child, even though many things, and most of the details, are obscured by my time and place in mortality.

Yahtzee wrote: ↑March 15th, 2019, 11:20 pm I love this thread because we're going through a rough time right now and I mentioned it to my husband and we both agreed we feel like we came here to get a body and now we're just waiting to die.
Kind of eye opening.

I've been there too often.

My current prayer is to have joy -right now in this life- as well as in the eternities.

Kingdom of ZION wrote: ↑March 16th, 2019, 5:03 am There are many reasons why I have come but to find the one point... it is to fulfill what I was ask to come here for. Then, in the end, to give my life as a testimony and witness of being sent. A trial run for things to come, practice makes perfect so they say! (read the Revelation 6:9-12, KJV, see below)

While here I have needed to remember, how many weaknesses I actually have, and my complete nothingness before G_d. I stand in the nursery barely able to walk, and that only makes me more capable of messing up on a larger scale!

My naivety is legendary... I see others and never stop to think they have different values and commitments. I am almost always disappointed!

This OP question is most pointed when I look around and wonder were have all the adults gone? Zion is but a dream to most people, lacking any willingness to live those laws we were commanded to keep that we might build Zion upon this continent, in this time period, just prior to the return of the true King! He's coming to a wedding, how many of us are making are garments ready, and plans to attend?


Do not think that I alone will be placed upon that altar!
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them (the were sealed to come forth as Third Estate Beings); and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants (other Second Estate Beings) also and their brethren (Fourth Estate Beings), that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled (the Two Witnesses, being set as a type).

Amen Brother! I long for Zion and for a people to long for it as well. I look forward to when the Lord says GO! Hopefully its sooner than later

Was listening to a Hyrum Andrus talk today about Enduring to the End, and he mentioned something I have also felt is very important, that a big part of what we need to do in this life is figure out who we are and "what did the Lord appoint you to do?", what is the thing we agreed to do even before this earth life. More than just receiving a body, but what are we doing with our life.