Homeschool

harakim · Post by **harakim** » March 13th, 2019, 1:24 pm

Is anyone here serious about homeschool?

LadyT · Post by **LadyT** » March 13th, 2019, 1:35 pm

No. I home schooled high school. I do not have the personality to do it for my kids.

EmmaLee · Post by **EmmaLee** » March 13th, 2019, 1:43 pm

I home-schooled our children all during their elementary years - got them off on the right foot, so to speak, with a basic understanding of how to learn and setting the foundation on all subjects. I took it very seriously and was devoted full-time to home-schooling our boys. It comes with pros and cons, like everything, but was well worth it - and I highly recommend homeschooling in this day and age especially. If you're committed and are not afraid to work, you can do it. So many incredible resources these days, too. I home-schooled during the mid-late 90's and early 2000's, when it was still fairly new (and around here, it was VERY new, and exactly NO other LDS families doing it, unlike today).

John Tavner · Post by **John Tavner** » March 13th, 2019, 1:45 pm

Yeah, homeschooling I think is the only way to help keep children unspotted from the world and not let the thoughts of babylon in. Otherwise they will somehow be infiltrated whether we like it or not.

JK4Woods · Post by **JK4Woods** » March 13th, 2019, 1:58 pm

My sister had four kids. The two oldest went thru public school. The final two were home schooled to protect them from the “naughty” culture at high school.

The first two became productive members of society in every sense.

The other two, well... one has been in and out of jail, married and divorced, and still works at the minimum wage pizza joint since teenager years ten years ago. While the other homeschooled boy ran away at 18 and hasn’t spoken to his mom or dad for twenty years.

I think it is best to immerse in regular society and train them in the gospel to recognize truth, and how to pray and get answers.

John Tavner · Post by **John Tavner** » March 13th, 2019, 2:23 pm

I will completely and utterly contradict JK and state unequivocally if the Spirit is prompting you to homeschool, do it. I know a lot of people that went to public school that did NOT become productive members of society. If you are following the Spirit, it will work out.

setyourselffree · Post by **setyourselffree** » March 13th, 2019, 2:28 pm

I've never met a kid who was home schooled that didn't turn out to be..............

Juliet · Post by **Juliet** » March 13th, 2019, 2:31 pm

I would follow the spirit on this. We homeschool but it isn't something that I make a big deal about. People are so intimidated and the fact is you could do it after work each day. It isn't that hard.

Teaching them to read is important, and from then on it's a timer and a book, a paper, and a dictionary. They read and write on their own and then I will help with the math lesson. When it comes time for the state testing, we use the California online test. We go through the concepts they will be tested on for a week, such as reading Roman numerals or saying "have not" instead of "has not". So far the tests are getting pretty good results for the 2 to 3 hours a day they do homeschool. I figure it's a good trade off to spend a couple hours a day with your kids plus you get to sleep in and not have a hectic schedule. Sometimes I feel bad for how tired kids are when in elementary school. And we wonder why so many have chronic fatigue. The adrenal glands were not meant to operate all the time.

When I went to school all day was wasted and you wouldn't concentrate until you came home and did homework anyway. When we learned how to use commas my senior year of high school, I had to sigh. Why have we been at school for 13 years and are still learning to use commas? We could have been out playing for all those years!

I also notice the main learning during the year happens during summer time when it is too hot to be outside all day. Spring time, they don't concentrate as well and would rather be out playing all day. So I adjust accordingly. We work harder in summer and take it easier in spring.

eddie · Post by **eddie** » March 13th, 2019, 2:41 pm

If I still had school age children I would not let them attend public school. I did home school for a couple of years, it was very difficult, but workable.

Blessourlove · Post by **Blessourlove** » March 13th, 2019, 3:13 pm

We homeschool. My older kids were in public school for quite a few years. I had always wanted to homeschool, but the answer from the Lord was to put them in school. So I was very very involved (even almost ran for school board). Finally the Lord gave us the answer it was time I could pull them out. This is our third year. My oldest is in tenth grade. It isn’t easy sometimes, but it is well worth it.

I have pretty strong opinions on it. Many of the early prophets had strong opinions on the idea of public school as well. I had always taught my kids to question what they were being taught at school. There are a lot of falsehoods being taught-everything from innocent opinions by teachers (overpopulation, evolution from monkeys) to straight up lies in textbooks.

4Joshua8 · Post by **4Joshua8** » March 13th, 2019, 3:20 pm

Yes. Dead serious about it. My kids are too young now, but we aren't even considering public school as an option for when they get a bit older.

tmac · Post by **tmac** » March 13th, 2019, 3:23 pm

My wife and I homeschooled all our children.

Although they all spent some time in public school in elementary, we made the conscious decision that no matter where we were or what we were doing we would not let our kids go to Jr. High or Middle School, where as far as I'm concerned kids are just warehoused, trying to kind of keep them out of too much trouble, until they grow up a little bit, but is where they also pick up a lot of very serious negative socialization. When we first pulled our oldest son out when he would have gone into 7th grade, it really hurt my best friend's feelings, who was the public school district superintendent. But he got over it.

Anyway, all of our kids had the option of returning to public school for high school, but none of them really did. Our daughter tried it and thought it was a complete joke, and a waste of so much productive time. When we moved to this location (which was one of the reasons even our younger kids dropped out of public school at that point, because no one could bear the thought of having them jump into a new school midstream), there was a strong contingency of home-schooling families in this area, who among other things, had a youth drama club and did Shakespearean plays, from which they received some acclaim -- including in Cedar City among the Shakespearean movers and shakers. All of those kids have gone on to do good things in life, and and are just as productive members of society as anyone else.

My wife and I regularly have people tell us that they have always thought that all home-schooled kids were weird until they met our kids. But part of the issue is that, among other things, although my primary occupation is rancher, I am also an attorney, and do quite a bit of writing for a relatively prominent magazine. Although one of our great loves is ranching and production agriculture, we care deeply about literacy, and we are very active in local political issues.

All of our kids have done just fine in college. One recently completed an MPA, and landed a good job in administration at UVU (although the high cost of living in Utah Valley doesn't help). Our youngest son was slow to learn to read (public school would not have been able to deal with him). He hated school of every kind, including homeschool, and at 15 decided he just wanted to be done, so crammed for the GED, and then just started working until he went on his mission. But we made him take the SAT, just in case he wanted to consider doing something like that when he got home.

By the time he got home from his mission, he was sufficiently brain-washed (especially by two MPs, for whom he served as AP for over a year) all he could think about was getting as much college education as possible. He had been convinced that he would forever be a second-rate citizen in life if he didn't graduate from BYU, so he applied, but with his credentials, not surprisingly was not accepted. So he has been going to UVU for a year or so, and based on his good performance there has recently received word that he has now been accepted at BYU, which has taken a huge load off his mind. His new wife is also in nursing school at BYU.

I juxtapose all of this with an acquaintance of mine who I just had a good visit with yesterday. He dropped out of high school. If there had been a most likely to fail award, voted on by fellow students and faculty, he probably would have received it. He's 40 something now. He has no college education, and has struggled with substance abuse at times. But he has several very successful business ventures. Right now is running a crew of approximately 15 Peruvian sheep shearers. He will net over $200,000 in 4-5 months. Plus he has a concrete crew that he runs in the summer time. And he buys and sells sheep and goats on the side. He grosses well over $1M/year, and probably makes more money than almost anyone he went to high school with, and probably makes more than all my kids and sons-in-law will make with their fancy college degrees and steady, secure jobs. He knows how to think outside the box, how to run a crew of men, and how to make money, better than almost anyone I know -- all stuff they don't teach in school or college.

I know it's not for everyone, but it really bothers me when people think they know so much (primarily condemning homeschooling) about things they really have not the slightest clue about.

Juliet · Post by **Juliet** » March 13th, 2019, 3:48 pm

Blessourlove wrote: ↑March 13th, 2019, 3:13 pm We homeschool. My older kids were in public school for quite a few years. I had always wanted to homeschool, but the answer from the Lord was to put them in school. So I was very very involved (even almost ran for school board). Finally the Lord gave us the answer it was time I could pull them out. This is our third year. My oldest is in tenth grade. It isn’t easy sometimes, but it is well worth it.

I have pretty strong opinions on it. Many of the early prophets had strong opinions on the idea of public school as well. I had always taught my kids to question what they were being taught at school. There are a lot of falsehoods being taught-everything from innocent opinions by teachers (overpopulation, evolution from monkeys) to straight up lies in textbooks.

Thanks for your service to the community, school board and children. I am sure you were indispensable to people's lives. It is pretty rough out there.

ElizaRSkousen · Post by **ElizaRSkousen** » March 13th, 2019, 8:28 pm

I was going to start a homeschool thread!

There is no other option as far as we are concerned.

We teach our kids that “real life” is the gospel.

I have ready many books on all different types of homeschooling methods, and have picked and chosen what I like best.

Unfortunately some people use homeschooling as an excuse to be lazy.

I take the advice to “train up a child in the way he should go” very seriously.

creator · Post by **creator** » March 13th, 2019, 8:58 pm

The Matrix is real.

It's the lies of the world all around us. Public schools teach lies, the government spreads lies and propaganda (even creating laws that support the lie), the intellectuals and scientists of the world spread lies, governments at every level are destroying freedom, even religions are spreading Satan's doctrine; Satan is in control.

Whether or not parents are homeschooling, we have a huge responsibility to deprogram our children from the darkness, lies and brainwashing of mainstream society.

Michelle · Post by **Michelle** » March 13th, 2019, 9:00 pm

Yes. Very.

tmac · Post by **tmac** » March 13th, 2019, 9:53 pm

The Matrix is real.

It's the lies of the world all around us. Public schools teach lies, the government spreads lies and propaganda (even creating laws that support the lie), the intellectuals and scientists of the world spread lies, governments at every level are destroying freedom, even religions are spreading Satan's doctrine; Satan is in control.

Whether or not parents are homeschooling, we have a huge responsibility to deprogram our children from the darkness, lies and brainwashing of mainstream society.

Brian, the man, nails it ^^^^^^!

The single biggest factor in the success and/or effect of a child's education -- whether derived from home school or public education -- is parental involvement and the role of the parent(s). Aside from all the other good reasons to home school, why put yourself and your family at such a disadvantage in terms of overcoming the world by just standing back and letting public schools, the adversary, and "The Agenda" have its way with your most precious possessions -- your children. Watch "The Agenda."

A friend of my analogizes homeschooling to a greenhouse, and calls home schooled kids greenhouse kids. How many of you would just go out and plant a tomato seed in the dirt to try to get a good start in life by getting stunted by the climate, weeds, and everything else. That's why many plants are started in a greenhouse, to limit the opposition/competition, and allow them to become strong enough to be transplanted in that same dirt, and by then be prepared to overcome the same forces that would have stunted or destroyed them earlier in the process. Same with kids.

It can certainly happen a lot sooner, but Jr. High is capable of destroying any kid. Believe me, I'm a product of that whole scenario, and I've been working on trying to overcome it the rest of my life.

Fiannan · Post by **Fiannan** » March 13th, 2019, 11:13 pm

B. wrote: ↑March 13th, 2019, 8:58 pm The Matrix is real.

It's the lies of the world all around us. Public schools teach lies, the government spreads lies and propaganda (even creating laws that support the lie), the intellectuals and scientists of the world spread lies, governments at every level are destroying freedom, even religions are spreading Satan's doctrine; Satan is in control.

Whether or not parents are homeschooling, we have a huge responsibility to deprogram our children from the darkness, lies and brainwashing of mainstream society.

That is a tough task but is necessary. Too many members think that Satan is all gargoyles and growling when, in truth, Satan's message is sold as a means to help everyone be happy, equal and feel validated. There is more Satanism contained in one typical hour of daytime TV than in a 24-hour marathon of R-rated horror movies. The same is true of children's TV. Yet members will look at this garbage with not the slightest spiritual discernment or film analysis. In the case of the latter I have known many non-religious couples who have taught their kids how to analyze commercials and TV shows and their kids have way more discernment in regards to recognizing evil than most people I know who are religious, in any sense of the word.

Fiannan · Post by **Fiannan** » March 13th, 2019, 11:19 pm

The single biggest factor in the success and/or effect of a child's education -- whether derived from home school or public education -- is parental involvement and the role of the parent(s).

Wrong, it is genetics - and that being their IQ. Second is parental involvement. That is essential to steer a child to enhance whatever IQ they are blessed with. No matter what, a parent must cultivate a strong work ethic in children and a competitive sense. The world owes nobody anything and therefore we cannot expect children to turn our great if we have not given them the tools to do so.

lost ark · Post by **lost ark** » March 13th, 2019, 11:54 pm

Very serious about homeschooling. My husband and I and the three oldest children would have to be dead before the two girls in high school would enter a public school.

But there's more to education than jumping through somebody else's hoops.
#1 son spent the most time in public school, got scholarships, has about a semester or two to graduate. But he's been pretty much disabled with his illness and is at home. So we can't comment on how things are working out for the first homeschool graduate.
#2 son was in p.s. through 5th grade. He wasn't a great homeschool student and often fell asleep when he should have been studying. He's more of a hands-on kind of guy. He worked at an auto repair shop for one semester to see if he wanted to go into that. One day he brought a roadkill fox home on his way home from early morning seminary and taught himself how to tan the hide. He didn't do a great job, but it lasted a few years. Quit piano lessons, much to my sorrow. Did well enough on the ACT to get accepted to BYU. Served an honorable mission (and taught his grandparents the gospel and baptized his grandma). Transferred to another school post-mission that offered a full-ride scholarship in mining. He's been on the dean's list every semester but one and built a very beautiful tiny house in his spare time. He graduates in two months.

#1 daughter totally played around in high school and would not do a lot of the work I wanted her to do, especially math. She decided to work post-high school and then decided to serve a mission. Returned home, worked her tail off, did the Pathways program, saved $25K, and is now going to BYU-I. She was planning on something to do with life sciences, but is finding those classes a challenge and isn't sure she wants to continue down that path. She decided to take Russian for fun, like her mom did 35 years ago. And like her mom, she looks around and wonders what's wrong with everyone else, why are they struggling with something so simple to learn? So maybe she just has a talent for languages and an anti-talent for math and chemistry.
#2 daughter has always been a good student and is doing well with her BYU-I concurrent enrollment classes, getting all As.
#3 daughter messes around a bit. Were she my oldest, I would have worried. But not now.

All the children have rock solid testimonies. Each child has his/her distinct personality and talents. They need to be able to develop them. As someone who was the valedictorian of her high school class and did absolutely everything by the book, I'm convinced that public school is not the way to build character or learn what really matters in life, or even in individual subjects. I'm appalled at what passes for writing among students today.

As far as difficulties go, yeah, the first year was really hard. It was hard for me to sacrifice so much of my time and develop patience. Get past that, and it's so much easier than dealing with the horrors of the public school system.

Lost Ark
prepschooldaily.blogspot.com

tmac · Post by **tmac** » March 14th, 2019, 10:45 am

The single biggest factor in the success and/or effect of a child's education -- whether derived from home school or public education -- is parental involvement and the role of the parent(s).

Wrong, it is genetics - and that being their IQ.

I beg to differ. I didn't say success in life. I said "success and/or effect of a child's education." I would argue that the Einsteins of the world, and those with high IQs are potentially much less dependent upon parental involvement for the "success and/or effect" of their educations. But for the rest of us lower IQ folks, it is parental influence and involvement that makes up most of the difference in terms of the success and/or effect of the education we receive.

In an earlier post I talked about our younger son, who was slow to read. There is nothing wrong with his IQ, but he simply wasn't ready to start reading. Continuation in the public school system would have been a total disaster for him, as he would have been stigmatized in a one-size-fits-all system, and treated like there was something wrong with him or his IQ. It was only the efforts of a patient and loving mother that ultimately brought his true potential out and turned him into a voracious reader, and now a very successful university student with aspirations of going on to graduate or professional school -- although I don't really know why, because the high-school drop-out sheep shearer / concrete guy that I spoke about in an earlier post makes more money than my son would probably ever make after all the years and money/debt that graduate/professional school can buy. But somewhere he's been brainwashed too (MPs?).

Serragon · Post by **Serragon** » March 14th, 2019, 12:28 pm

They are not public schools. They are government schools.

Therefore, they teach what the government wants you to know. What the advocates for social justice have figured out awhile ago is that if you infiltrate positions of administration in the school system, you get to decide what is taught. This teaching is then given the weight of authority and truth because it is backed by the government.

Schools are primarily a place to indoctrinate your kids. I live in a very small town with a high school enrollment of about 50 students. As I walk through the halls of our local high school, I am bombarded by posters about bullying, consent, rape, racism, etc. Everything screams you are a powerless victim of society and your only refuge is through social justice ideology. And traditional parental and family structure is part of the oppression.

Our local womens shelter has an office in the school with a counselor present to "help" your kids with abuse situations without parent consent or notification. We also have a very feminist DA in our county. Together, this DA and this counselor have attempted to put a boy on trial for first degree rape. Luckily it was thrown out of court by the judge. It was simply a case of regret on the part of the female student. The counselor told her that regret meant that the boy used his privilege and power to pressure you and it was actually rape.

Our local LGTBQ advocacy group sends in a counselor once per week to help kids navigate their "journey along the gender and sexuality spectrums". Again, this is done without parent consent or notification.

The local doctors coop has an office in the school with a nurse present to help the kids navigate through issues of birth control without the consent or notification of parents.

I understand the idea that it is good to have our kids in the world to be a good influence. I also understand the idea that it is important to expose our kids to opposing ideas to help them test their ideas and values. But I feel that things have moved so far that the environment is no longer safe for this.

Government schools are nothing more than indoctrination camps. They are a place for social scientists to experiment on your kids with no regrets or second thoughts because what they are doing is "good".

In my experience, most parents either don't know how bad things actually are or think these things are no big deal since they teach differently at home. Both are mistaken. There is a vast difference in our ward between what parents think their kids believe and what they actually believe.

Fiannan · Post by **Fiannan** » March 14th, 2019, 4:33 pm

I beg to differ. I didn't say success in life. I said "success and/or effect of a child's education." I would argue that the Einsteins of the world, and those with high IQs are potentially much less dependent upon parental involvement for the "success and/or effect" of their educations. But for the rest of us lower IQ folks, it is parental influence and involvement that makes up most of the difference in terms of the success and/or effect of the education we receive.

I noted that the parental influences come in as to the value a child places on morality and work ethic. But studies on adopted siblings raised apart tend to show a high correlation between school performance and overall aptitudes and genetics, and twins raised apart the effect is even greater. And while I have not run across any studies on children from egg and sperm donations, that will come as more and more of these children exist and have grown to maturity I am sure, I have read many accounts of groups of kids from the same donor discovering each other and, despite widely ranging home environments, they tend to share surprising levels of similarity in regards to IQ, likes and dislikes, and subjects they do well in.

harakim · Post by **harakim** » March 14th, 2019, 7:33 pm

Fiannan wrote: ↑March 14th, 2019, 4:33 pm
I beg to differ. I didn't say success in life. I said "success and/or effect of a child's education." I would argue that the Einsteins of the world, and those with high IQs are potentially much less dependent upon parental involvement for the "success and/or effect" of their educations. But for the rest of us lower IQ folks, it is parental influence and involvement that makes up most of the difference in terms of the success and/or effect of the education we receive.
I noted that the parental influences come in as to the value a child places on morality and work ethic. But studies on adopted siblings raised apart tend to show a high correlation between school performance and overall aptitudes and genetics, and twins raised apart the effect is even greater. And while I have not run across any studies on children from egg and sperm donations, that will come as more and more of these children exist and have grown to maturity I am sure, I have read many accounts of groups of kids from the same donor discovering each other and, despite widely ranging home environments, they tend to share surprising levels of similarity in regards to IQ, likes and dislikes, and subjects they do well in.

People like to say that IQ is the most important factor, but I happen to know I have the lowest tested IQ in my family. However, if you asked anyone who knows me, I'm pretty sure they would say I am the smartest. There is one MAJOR reason: my mom believed in me and so I became what she thought I could become. The only thing that stunted me was that she disappeared when I was in middle school or so.

JohnnyL · Post by **JohnnyL** » March 15th, 2019, 10:12 am

harakim wrote: ↑March 14th, 2019, 7:33 pm
Fiannan wrote: ↑March 14th, 2019, 4:33 pm
I beg to differ. I didn't say success in life. I said "success and/or effect of a child's education." I would argue that the Einsteins of the world, and those with high IQs are potentially much less dependent upon parental involvement for the "success and/or effect" of their educations. But for the rest of us lower IQ folks, it is parental influence and involvement that makes up most of the difference in terms of the success and/or effect of the education we receive.
I noted that the parental influences come in as to the value a child places on morality and work ethic. But studies on adopted siblings raised apart tend to show a high correlation between school performance and overall aptitudes and genetics, and twins raised apart the effect is even greater. And while I have not run across any studies on children from egg and sperm donations, that will come as more and more of these children exist and have grown to maturity I am sure, I have read many accounts of groups of kids from the same donor discovering each other and, despite widely ranging home environments, they tend to share surprising levels of similarity in regards to IQ, likes and dislikes, and subjects they do well in.
People like to say that IQ is the most important factor, but I happen to know I have the lowest tested IQ in my family. However, if you asked anyone who knows me, I'm pretty sure they would say I am the smartest. There is one MAJOR reason: my mom believed in me and so I became what she thought I could become. The only thing that stunted me was that she disappeared when I was in middle school or so.

In fact, the biggest research of the year a few years ago was just that: believing in someone is the most powerful influence on learning/ success.

Fiannan, how did you miss that one?

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