Rome: "A hinge point in the history of the church"

[Primary Outcast]

President Nelson speaking about the trip to Rome: "This is a hinge point in the history of the church. Things are going to move forward at an accelerated pace, of which this is a part," he said, later adding, "The church is going to have an unprecedented future, unparalleled; we're just building up to what's ahead now."

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900 ... hotos.html

To me his statement is consistent with the winding up scene as described by Nephi and explained by Hyrum Andrus (starting around 12 minutes)

[friendsofthe]

Yes, the coming of the Bridegroom will be unprecedented and unparalleled.

[endlessQuestions]

President Nelson speaking about the trip to Rome: "This is a hinge point in the history of the church. Things are going to move forward at an accelerated pace, of which this is a part," he said, later adding, "The church is going to have an unprecedented future, unparalleled; we're just building up to what's ahead now."

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900 ... hotos.html

To me his statement is consistent with the winding up scene as described by Nephi and explained by Hyrum Andrus (starting around 12 minutes)

For all those naysayers who say that modern prophets don't prophecy, they're going to need to take a fresh look at their beliefs. In my opinion, of course.

[captainfearnot]

For all those naysayers who say that modern prophets don't prophecy, they're going to need to take a fresh look at their beliefs. In my opinion, of course.

Count me among the naysayers, I guess, because I don't see any prophecy here. "Things are going to move forward at an accelerated pace, of which this is a part," what does that mean, exactly? What "things" and how is "moving forward" defined?

"The church is going to have an unprecedented future, unparalleled; we're just building up to what's ahead now." Again, this statement is vague enough that it could be applied to anything. In fact his whole "prophecy" just sounds like the kind of vague business-speak that you hear in sales meetings when reps don't have any specific numbers to tout.

For example, is Nelson saying that they are going to start dedicating temples at a pace that exceeds the 34 that were dedicated in 2000? Is this a prophecy about numbers of new baptisms or tithing revenue or what? And how far in the future are we talking about? A year, ten years, a hundred?

There is no way to tell whether this "prophecy" actually comes to pass or not, and (in my opinion, of course) that's by design. It sounds like he's saying something bold, but when you unpack what he actually said, it's so vague it could mean anything.

[harakim]

For all those naysayers who say that modern prophets don't prophecy, they're going to need to take a fresh look at their beliefs. In my opinion, of course.

Count me among the naysayers, I guess, because I don't see any prophecy here. "Things are going to move forward at an accelerated pace, of which this is a part," what does that mean, exactly? What "things" and how is "moving forward" defined?

"The church is going to have an unprecedented future, unparalleled; we're just building up to what's ahead now." Again, this statement is vague enough that it could be applied to anything. In fact his whole "prophecy" just sounds like the kind of vague business-speak that you hear in sales meetings when reps don't have any specific numbers to tout.

For example, is Nelson saying that they are going to start dedicating temples at a pace that exceeds the 34 that were dedicated in 2000? Is this a prophecy about numbers of new baptisms or tithing revenue or what? And how far in the future are we talking about? A year, ten years, a hundred?

There is no way to tell whether this "prophecy" actually comes to pass or not, and (in my opinion, of course) that's by design. It sounds like he's saying something bold, but when you unpack what he actually said, it's so vague it could mean anything.

They're going to take over the Catholic Church's position on Earth.

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1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. 11


I think that is talking about the Catholic Church.

[Primary Outcast]

I cannot understand why all Q15 had to go (a great photo op?). President Nelson told Elder Cook a while ago that by revelation he knew that the Q15 had to go to the dedication. There is great significance to this event, I think that in the not so distant future the reason will be obvious. Hopefully they just tell us already at general conference.

[endlessQuestions]

For all those naysayers who say that modern prophets don't prophecy, they're going to need to take a fresh look at their beliefs. In my opinion, of course.

Count me among the naysayers, I guess, because I don't see any prophecy here. "Things are going to move forward at an accelerated pace, of which this is a part," what does that mean, exactly? What "things" and how is "moving forward" defined?

"The church is going to have an unprecedented future, unparalleled; we're just building up to what's ahead now." Again, this statement is vague enough that it could be applied to anything. In fact his whole "prophecy" just sounds like the kind of vague business-speak that you hear in sales meetings when reps don't have any specific numbers to tout.

For example, is Nelson saying that they are going to start dedicating temples at a pace that exceeds the 34 that were dedicated in 2000? Is this a prophecy about numbers of new baptisms or tithing revenue or what? And how far in the future are we talking about? A year, ten years, a hundred?

There is no way to tell whether this "prophecy" actually comes to pass or not, and (in my opinion, of course) that's by design. It sounds like he's saying something bold, but when you unpack what he actually said, it's so vague it could mean anything.

I hear you. I tend to think along those same lines. I'm not sure a prophecy has to have metrics in order to be a prophecy, though. That's just something we're conditioned to expect due to our science-based education.

Not every prophecy is a Samuel the Lamanite, he'll be here in five years kind of prophecy. My personal opinion is that what Pres. Nelson said is specific enough that, for those watching, it will be clear his words are being fulfilled. Could be wrong, though. All I know is that i'm grateful that, for the first time in my life, I feel like I have a prophet who is willing to say something even resembling prophecy. We need prophets!

[WikiUp]

Whay was the date of this presentation? Dr. Andrus died October 2015.

Clothing, hair styles and furnishings are indicative of the 1980's.

[Primary Outcast]

Whay was the date of this presentation? Dr. Andrus died October 2015.

Clothing, hair styles and furnishings are indicative of the 1980's.

I believe that his YouTube videos were recorded in '89 and '93. I think that the video posted above is from the '93 series.

[harakim]

Can someone give me the executive summary?

[Primary Outcast]

He has 16 videos about the last days each about 1.5 hours long and they all expound on the scriptures of the last days in more detail than almost anywhere you will find.

The executive summary is: listen for 1 minute from 11:35 to 12:35

[Original_Intent]

He has 16 videos about the last days each about 1.5 hours long and they all expound on the scriptures of the last days in more detail than almost anywhere you will find.

The executive summary is: listen for 1 minute from 11:35 to 12:35

OK, I have got to say that I am floored.

While reading some of the comments, especially from the naysayers, I was thinking (without having viewed the video) that President Nelson was talking about an acceleration of the polarization of people, and that the US in particular is headed towards Civil War 2.0, and that the divisions that we have seen up until now are going to accelerate, and that also the work will accelerate in that people are going to be sorted. They may not join the church, but the division will be there.

Then I watched the minute of the executive summary that you posted. And all I can say is WOW. Practically verbatim the thoughts that were going thru my mind. I think that we need to be VERY careful about picking sides in the political polarization. There is a certainly a "side" that I feel is more in the right, but we shouldn't blindly align with that side in everything. We need to align to principle, and support correct principles wherever they may be found.

[Original_Intent]

We are in for some very tough times, but ultimately it will work to the benefit of those who support the kingdom. Sadly, I believe it will require suffering some grievous things for us to see our errors and repent of them.

[Primary Outcast]

We are in for some very tough times, but ultimately it will work to the benefit of those who support the kingdom. Sadly, I believe it will require suffering some grievous things for us to see our errors and repent of them.

I have been trying to play out the scenario about how to separate the wheat and the tares. They are so intertwined it seems like an impossible task. I'm sure this has been discussed at length somewhere else on the forum, but here's my take:

1) The righteous will be divided from the wicked along a political issue.
2) The prophet will tell us which side of the issue we must take and it will be a test for even the most devout.
3) The wicked will persecute the righteous in ways none of us have seen before.
4) The righteous are called out to safety.
5) The lost 10 tribes come to Missouri in a manner more spectacular than the parting of the red sea and with the capability of destroying the wicked as a lion among sheep.

[Original_Intent]

We are in for some very tough times, but ultimately it will work to the benefit of those who support the kingdom. Sadly, I believe it will require suffering some grievous things for us to see our errors and repent of them.

I have been trying to play out the scenario about how to separate the wheat and the tares. They are so intertwined it seems like an impossible task. I'm sure this has been discussed at length somewhere else on the forum, but here's my take:

1) The righteous will be divided from the wicked along a political issue.
2) The prophet will tell us which side of the issue we must take and it will be a test for even the most devout.
3) The wicked will persecute the righteous in ways none of us have seen before.
4) The righteous are called out to safety.
5) The lost 10 tribes come to Missouri in a manner more spectacular than the parting of the red sea and with the capability of destroying the wicked as a lion among sheep.

I appreciate what you shared here, and would like to address some of these point by point according to my belief.

1) The righteous will be divided from the wicked along a political issue.
I believe that fundamentally, the issue will be that they will proclaim peace. I believe the division will be so strong that many will simply be unable to - hmmmm not exactly remain neutral, but let's say remain civil. I think most will feel compelled to take a side and possibly even take up arms for the side they think is right. But it will simply be evil destroying evil, and each side will see only the good of their own team, and will feel that armed conflict is "the only way". I am not saying people should not have opinions, but I do believe that those who would not raise up the sword against their brother "must needs flee to Zion." I DO NOT personally believe this will mean not being willing to defend ourselves, as the people of Ammon, but it is a possibility.

2) The prophet will tell us which side of the issue we must take and it will be a test for even the most devout.
See previous paragraph.

3) The wicked will persecute the righteous in ways none of us have seen before.
Not only the righteous. The wicked will persecute the wicked, although people will tribe together to an extent around certain ideologies.

4) The righteous are called out to safety.
Yes, but I doubt it will be in any of the ways that are popularly believed among the "tent city" and/or AVOW folks.

I have no strong opinion or thoughts regarding the 5th point.

[thestock]

For all those naysayers who say that modern prophets don't prophecy, they're going to need to take a fresh look at their beliefs. In my opinion, of course.

Count me among the naysayers, I guess, because I don't see any prophecy here. "Things are going to move forward at an accelerated pace, of which this is a part," what does that mean, exactly? What "things" and how is "moving forward" defined?

"The church is going to have an unprecedented future, unparalleled; we're just building up to what's ahead now." Again, this statement is vague enough that it could be applied to anything. In fact his whole "prophecy" just sounds like the kind of vague business-speak that you hear in sales meetings when reps don't have any specific numbers to tout.

For example, is Nelson saying that they are going to start dedicating temples at a pace that exceeds the 34 that were dedicated in 2000? Is this a prophecy about numbers of new baptisms or tithing revenue or what? And how far in the future are we talking about? A year, ten years, a hundred?

There is no way to tell whether this "prophecy" actually comes to pass or not, and (in my opinion, of course) that's by design. It sounds like he's saying something bold, but when you unpack what he actually said, it's so vague it could mean anything.

They're going to take over the Catholic Church's position on Earth.

13
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. 11


I think that is talking about the Catholic Church.

This is talking about the Kingdom's of Satan that 1) control the ability to buy and sell in the world and 2) control the Military Industrial Complex. Which nation do you suppose this is currently? Which nation do the other nations of the world wonder after?

[Original_Intent]

I don't believe my thinking is right on this, but the EU could represent the beast, and I wonder if the UK/Brexit could represent the head "as it were wounded to death." All kinds of possible meanings for the wound being healed - Brexit overturned? Brexit happens and UK destroyed financially and somehow healed? Other? Like I said, I'm not convinced AT ALL that any of this is correct, it is a very large stretch and speculation at this point.

[True]

I listened to the first two today. Fantastic! Thank you:) His interpretation of Nephi, Isaiah and the Lord is just how I have thought but he has a clearers view of Revelations than I ever had. Loved listening to it!!

[lemuel]

Civil War 2.0 will be Shiz vs. Coriantmur. The only winning move is not to play.

[Fiannan]

I remember as a child when my mom would have some preacher on TV saying that the European nations would unite and usher in wickedness and eventually the Anti-Christ. I thought that was obviously wrong as Europe was a Christian continent. A lot has happened in a few short decades and now it seems it could really happen. In fact, maybe the refugee thing could be the pretext for an eventual union of Europe and northern African nations, Syria and Turkey. Isn't that what the Treaty of Barcelona kinda points to? If European numbers can be decimated through birth control, and people from the former southern portions of the Roman Empire move in and merge their genetics with the remaining European women, then we could see the Roman boundaries return as a natural outcome of cultural merging.

[brianj]

Civil War 2.0 will be Shiz vs. Coriantmur. The only winning move is not to play.

As I recall, Shiz and Coriatumr spent four years gathering everyone in the Jaredite nation, save Ether who hid himself so he wouldn't be involuntarily conscripted. This was not explicitly stated in the Book of Mormon, but as I read Ether 15 I saw a situation where people were given the choice to join an army or be summarily executed. In this situation there was no way to not play.

And Civil War 2.0 will not be wicked versus wicked. It will start out as wicked vs those who will not adopt a wicked lifestyle. Then, when those who are less wicked flee to Zion for safety, the wicked groups that united to fight God's followers will turn on themselves as the Lamanites did after destroying the Nephites.

[tsc]

I believe the language that President Nelson used is both interesting and significant. First, “This is a hinge point in the history of the church”. The word hinge means a point at which a door for example swings, in either direction, open or close. Hinge also means to attach or join. To me this suggests a change, which is not surprising considering all of the changes since President Nelson became prophet. But I believe this will be more significant - how, I am not sure.

“Things are going to move forward at an accelerated pace, of which this is a part”. This to me suggests again that this event is going to be remembered for a long time, not only because of the event itself, but because of what comes next. Do I know what this is, no. But each and every time I hear words like “accelerated” I think of the words by our Savior that He will hasten His work in its time.

The next quote ends with, “we’re just building up to what’s ahead now”. Consider things that “build up”. Weather builds up to become a big storm, water builds up until it floods, human emotions build up and can lead to fighting and war, pressure builds up until it is released, and a story builds up to the climax and the end. Regarding the end, President Hinkley used similar words in his talk in 2001, ‘The Dawning of a Brighter Day’. He said that we are the final chapter, the summation of all mankind. And in 1984 in one of his talks, Elder Maxwell speaking to those in attendance said that they would see events that were part of the winding up scene.

For me it is extremely exciting to believe that the return of our Lord Jesus Christ is getting close, but also brings some concern because of the unknown, specifically when and how. But if we, however, are prepared, we are promised we do not need to fear.

I feel as though the world is extremely wicked, and as bad or worse than the days of Noah. The things we read and hear about such as abortion, homosexuality, pride, extreme wealth, and violence and corruption are among the most wicked acts ever contrived, except they will spread and become even more embraced by those who follow Lucifer, and more pronounced. I hate reading the news but believe it’s important to be informed, although I fully understand that much is exaggerated or covered up.

In ‘The Millenial Messiah’ Elder McKonkie said that evil must have its day, but, in the end evil will destroy evil, and what’s left will be burned at the coming of the Lord.

Please do not take lightly any statement by our prophets and apostles, for they are more in tune to the spirit than most anyone else. They may also not fully reveal all they know as perhaps they have been commanded not to, and that is part of the way that the wheat will be separated from the tares, for it requires faith and patience. We are not to be compelled in all things, but we are here to act rather than to be acted upon.

[GeeR]

I predict that President Nelson words about "This is a hinge point in the history of the church. Things are going to move forward at an accelerated pace, of which this is a part," "The church is going to have an unprecedented future, unparalleled; we're just building up to what's ahead now." I predict these words are not positive words of prophesy but negative words apostasy in the LDS church. Look at how President Nelson and Russell M. Ballard oozed with praise of Pope Francis as “Holy Father” and although “we have doctrinal differences the things we have in common are more important” I just wonder if President Nelson kissed the ring of the Pope and exchanged the Luciferian handgrip. Yes, the overkill of how wonderful Pope Francis is, was nauseating to me, like an inch of rich frosting on a humble cake.
I’ve been keeping tabs on Pope Francis the last few years and he is in a precipitous decline as a Pope when compared to all other Popes. He’s changed the Eucharist and allowed it to be administered by clowns—literally. He has said: “there is no hell,” and when asked about the rightness or wrongness of homosexuality he responded—“who am I to judge.” Then he is quoted to have said that “Christ was a sinner” and that “his mission was a failure, because he ended up dead on the cross.” He also introduced the Tango into the liturgy, no kidding people dancing at mass. He has allowed homosexuals and paedophiles to serve as cardinals and bishops. The orthodox members of the Catholic Church are at their end wits as to how to get rid of Pope Francis, there is no protocol in their church on how to get rid of a renegade Pope. Carlo Vigano was a high ranking church official, only 3rd from the Pope himself, and recently demanded Pope Francis resign for all the corruption that fills the Catholic Church “from top to bottom.” Now VIgano has gone into hiding for fear of his life. In this context we have the LDS leadership show up heaping loads and loads of flattery on “his Holiness.” Does anyone see something wrong with this picture. Are you prepared to be absorbed into this vortex via interfaith projects and the ecumenical goal of building bridges and finding common ground with the Devil.

[BruceRGilbert]

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[Phantom]

Good grief. The extremes some take things here is astounding.

Watch and listen to President Nelson. What he is saying is not inconsequential. If you pray for the spirit, it will be given to you to know and understand what he means. I would recommend you watch and listen to him far more than you are watching and listening to the world.