Why are Utahns so vain?

[eddie]

I’m sure this has been brought up before but I haven’t seen anything. What’s up now with coolscultping and tummy tucks and bOOb jobs and all sorts of other stuff? Why is it so popular here in Utah? Are we really just as shallow as Beverly Hills? Common Draper and Alpine! Does every woman really need to be a barby?

He said they were arrogant. Just sayin...

Most of my companions said the same things about me and I was from Oregon. I was quite a handsome guy on my mission having been quite involved in bodybuilding before my mission. Of course since I was a bit older than usual I was naturally perceived as being brilliant and exceptionally mature. I finally found my way to Utah so that I could be with my own people. There is something very comforting about shared arrogance. I mean really it can be like such a drag to be better than everyone around you, smarter, better looking and not be able to bask in the light of others so richly blessed.

Still it is not always sunny in paradise. I mean even though I am here with so many others who are almost as great as me --- and don't get me wrong it really is a better place to be but they still aren't really as good as I am and so I still suffer a bit with feeling like I could do better if maybe I could find somewhere that really spoke to me. Greatness is somewhat of a burden but those of us so blessed must simply push on. I'm kind of thinking these days that maybe I should consider moving to somewhere where the extremely elite folks gather ... where I can breathe that rarified air of the super wonderful. You know Mr. Or Mrs. Tart I was kind of wondering where you live sounds like just my kind of people. I'm sure I'll feel right at home....

I haven’t laughed so much in a long time! It’s nice to have you come out of the bushes! Do you get the Carly Simon remark? You’re so vain, you probly think this post is about you! Clouds in my coffee, clouds in my coffee! LOL!

[larsenb]

At last! The real brlenox reveals himself. I was waiting for that. But unforunately, it kind of reminds me of "being an army of one". Lots of luck with that one . . . . meaning it could very well be that you simply won't find a society with sufficient numbers to companion with who are also as elevated as yourself

The good news brlenox, displaying this kind of bravado certainly must mean you are feeling fairly healthy. Excellent, if so.

Oh ... you really are too kind but of course since you know me you know how wonderful I am...and don't think for a minute that I can't read between the lines of your post....of course if I find out where this "TARTEN" utopia is, you are welcome to be my neighbor cause I am positive that we could be like peas in a pod of unparalleled greatness...

...and yes, I am feeling a bit better these days. thank you for noting.

I do know. How could I forget. You would never let me The only thing I hold against you was the influence you wielded causing me to waste my vote in 2012.

But do keep the p... and vinegar flowing!

[brlenox]

I’m sure this has been brought up before but I haven’t seen anything. What’s up now with coolscultping and tummy tucks and bOOb jobs and all sorts of other stuff? Why is it so popular here in Utah? Are we really just as shallow as Beverly Hills? Common Draper and Alpine! Does every woman really need to be a barby?

He said they were arrogant. Just sayin...

Most of my companions said the same things about me and I was from Oregon. I was quite a handsome guy on my mission having been quite involved in bodybuilding before my mission. Of course since I was a bit older than usual I was naturally perceived as being brilliant and exceptionally mature. I finally found my way to Utah so that I could be with my own people. There is something very comforting about shared arrogance. I mean really it can be like such a drag to be better than everyone around you, smarter, better looking and not be able to bask in the light of others so richly blessed.

Still it is not always sunny in paradise. I mean even though I am here with so many others who are almost as great as me --- and don't get me wrong it really is a better place to be but they still aren't really as good as I am and so I still suffer a bit with feeling like I could do better if maybe I could find somewhere that really spoke to me. Greatness is somewhat of a burden but those of us so blessed must simply push on. I'm kind of thinking these days that maybe I should consider moving to somewhere where the extremely elite folks gather ... where I can breathe that rarified air of the super wonderful. You know Mr. Or Mrs. Tart I was kind of wondering where you live sounds like just my kind of people. I'm sure I'll feel right at home....

I haven’t laughed so much in a long time! It’s nice to have you come out of the bushes! Do you get the Carly Simon remark? You’re so vain, you probly think this post is about you! Clouds in my coffee, clouds in my coffee! LOL!

It's true I have been laying pretty low and I was hoping that the bushes story wouldn't get out ...but since you've outed me for sure this is not going to pump the reputation much. I've never been fond of the neighbors dog but boy that day he sure caught me looking the wrong way and before I knew it I was caught in a rainbow shower of epic proportions. Who knew a Pomeranian could let loose with such a torrential downpour.

So yeah ... that got me out of the bushes ... in a hurry.

Anyway, I don't want to derail this thread by discussing anything that might be construed as anything less than absolutely positive about this critical and incredibly significant post - I mean when the day is over it's as obvious as that clever little reference that you made...I of course caught the Carly Simon reference since when was vanity more clearly a reference to just one more of my fabulous traits which when coupled with my arrogance just completes the package.

The Benaishtart's ... really I wouldn't have thought they even knew of me. I mean I knew I had made quite an impression around here in my earlier days ...but can you believe it...out of the blue another thread that was clearly all about me. I guess one just never knows. Now the first thread which started innocently enough was really quite sometime ago but it was a special moment and day when I realized just how much the folks around here thought of me...I was warmed in my bosom like never before. A walk down memory lane never hurts and I'll bet the the Tarts might enjoy knowing a bit more about me to see if I can fit into their little neighborhood - you'll have to read a few posts but it is very illuminating:

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[captainfearnot]

My theory about Utah is that virtually everything weird going on there can be explained by the fact that the culture is so homogeneous.

All the stats you hear about how Utah is the highest in this or the lowest in that, it's all stuff that is prevalent (or not) among educated, middle class white people. Because that's what you have in Utah. They don't have all the other demographics to balance it out. So take something like anti-depressant use. It's not that Utahans are more depressed than the rest of the country, it's that this is something that affluent white people are big on, and Utah happens to have one of the highest concentrations of that demographic.

While I was living in Utah I always wondered about how crowded everything was, when there weren't really that many people living there, compared to other places I had lived. Then I realized it only seemed crowded because everyone there was like me and we always wanted to do the same things at the same time. Fads and trends catch on like crazy in Utah, because everyone is attracted to the same kinds of stuff.

I do think that the homogeneity leads to more competitiveness and more conspicuous consumption, keeping up with the Joneses, and maybe the kind of vanity the OP cites. So it wouldn't surprise me if there is even more cosmetic surgery than is accounted for even by demographics. But I still think that's a function of the homogeneous culture. It would be a fascinating social study.

[Yahtzee]

With regard to the first two questions, it’s good to remind ourselves that just because a city becomes a medical mecca for something doesn’t mean that it’s always local residents who are taking advantage of it. In this article by Salt Lake City plastic surgeon York Jay Yates, he estimates that a fifth of his business is from out-of-staters who come to SLC because all the competition among doctors there has driven down prices. Whereas breast augmentation apparently costs between $6,000 and $10,000 elsewhere, the cost in Utah is only about $4,000. (For the record, he says he does see a lot of Mormon clients at his practice, especially young mothers who would like to get their bodies back after childbearing is over.)

https://religionnews.com/2017/03/17/mor ... ry-or-not/
Good article. We're no different than everyone else. Just a cheaper state.

[Zathura]

With regard to the first two questions, it’s good to remind ourselves that just because a city becomes a medical mecca for something doesn’t mean that it’s always local residents who are taking advantage of it. In this article by Salt Lake City plastic surgeon York Jay Yates, he estimates that a fifth of his business is from out-of-staters who come to SLC because all the competition among doctors there has driven down prices. Whereas breast augmentation apparently costs between $6,000 and $10,000 elsewhere, the cost in Utah is only about $4,000. (For the record, he says he does see a lot of Mormon clients at his practice, especially young mothers who would like to get their bodies back after childbearing is over.)

https://religionnews.com/2017/03/17/mor ... ry-or-not/
Good article. We're no different than everyone else. Just a cheaper state.

That’s what I figured. I have a hard time when people say “Utah is x” , “Utahns are y”.

Idk about you guys but it’s kinda the same for me wherever I go ? California, New York, Jersey, Texas etc. There’s always stupid drivers, there’s always inconsiderate people, stuck up rich people etc .

[iWriteStuff]

With regard to the first two questions, it’s good to remind ourselves that just because a city becomes a medical mecca for something doesn’t mean that it’s always local residents who are taking advantage of it. In this article by Salt Lake City plastic surgeon York Jay Yates, he estimates that a fifth of his business is from out-of-staters who come to SLC because all the competition among doctors there has driven down prices. Whereas breast augmentation apparently costs between $6,000 and $10,000 elsewhere, the cost in Utah is only about $4,000. (For the record, he says he does see a lot of Mormon clients at his practice, especially young mothers who would like to get their bodies back after childbearing is over.)

https://religionnews.com/2017/03/17/mor ... ry-or-not/
Good article. We're no different than everyone else. Just a cheaper state.

That’s what I figured. I have a hard time when people say “Utah is x” , “Utahns are y”.

Idk about you guys but it’s kinda the same for me wherever I go ? California, New York, Jersey, Texas etc. There’s always stupid drivers, there’s always inconsiderate people, stuck up rich people etc .

So where do I find this Zion place that's been advertised on every bank building and used car lot in Utah? Is there such a place among the saints any more?

[Zathura]

With regard to the first two questions, it’s good to remind ourselves that just because a city becomes a medical mecca for something doesn’t mean that it’s always local residents who are taking advantage of it. In this article by Salt Lake City plastic surgeon York Jay Yates, he estimates that a fifth of his business is from out-of-staters who come to SLC because all the competition among doctors there has driven down prices. Whereas breast augmentation apparently costs between $6,000 and $10,000 elsewhere, the cost in Utah is only about $4,000. (For the record, he says he does see a lot of Mormon clients at his practice, especially young mothers who would like to get their bodies back after childbearing is over.)

https://religionnews.com/2017/03/17/mor ... ry-or-not/
Good article. We're no different than everyone else. Just a cheaper state.

That’s what I figured. I have a hard time when people say “Utah is x” , “Utahns are y”.

Idk about you guys but it’s kinda the same for me wherever I go ? California, New York, Jersey, Texas etc. There’s always stupid drivers, there’s always inconsiderate people, stuck up rich people etc .

So where do I find this Zion place that's been advertised on every bank building and used car lot in Utah? Is there such a place among the saints any more?

Yeah it’s like 3 hours south of Salt Lake

[RocknRoll]

I’m sure this has been brought up before but I haven’t seen anything. What’s up now with coolscultping and tummy tucks and bOOb jobs and all sorts of other stuff? Why is it so popular here in Utah? Are we really just as shallow as Beverly Hills? Common Draper and Alpine! Does every woman really need to be a barby?

Why do you care? Most of your posts seem to be about women doing something wrong, or something about their bodies etc.. Did you have a female boss at work and you just can't handle it? Seems to me you should find another subject to pray and study about.

Let's try an exercise. Try to make an equal number of complaints about men. Once you do that, try to stop caring about other people's personal decisions. Let me know how it goes!

I've heard there is quite a link to the number of wives having plastic surgery in Utah, and the number of husbands watching porn in Utah. Maybe Benaishtart could tackle that theory.

According to the article Yahtzee posted above, “Utah Mormons’ rate of cosmetic surgery isn’t outsized at all. Among all Utah Mormons, 3.7% have had plastic surgery, slightly less than the 4% national average for all Americans. For Utah women, it’s 5.6%. That’s also a little less than the national average for women, which is 7%.”

So, I guess that theory is blown out of the water.

[EmmaLee]

I’m sure this has been brought up before but I haven’t seen anything. What’s up now with coolscultping and tummy tucks and bOOb jobs and all sorts of other stuff? Why is it so popular here in Utah? Are we really just as shallow as Beverly Hills? Common Draper and Alpine! Does every woman really need to be a barby?

Why do you care? Most of your posts seem to be about women doing something wrong, or something about their bodies etc.. Did you have a female boss at work and you just can't handle it? Seems to me you should find another subject to pray and study about.

Let's try an exercise. Try to make an equal number of complaints about men. Once you do that, try to stop caring about other people's personal decisions. Let me know how it goes!

I've heard there is quite a link to the number of wives having plastic surgery in Utah, and the number of husbands watching porn in Utah. Maybe Benaishtart could tackle that theory.

According to the article Yahtzee posted above, “Utah Mormons’ rate of cosmetic surgery isn’t outsized at all. Among all Utah Mormons, 3.7% have had plastic surgery, slightly less than the 4% national average for all Americans. For Utah women, it’s 5.6%. That’s also a little less than the national average for women, which is 7%.”

So, I guess that theory is blown out of the water.

The links I posted blow those stats out of the water. Guess it all depends on whose surveys and polls and stats you want to believe. As for me, I personally know a dozen or so women in my little Midwest ward alone who have had cosmetic surgery (almost all were boob jobs, and/or tummy tucks - a couple had some facial things done, nose job, etc.). So, just going by the actual facts of the women I know first-hand, the stats are pretty high.

Besides, the "theory" I suggested Benny investigate is the correlation between Mormon wives having cosmetic surgery, and their husbands watching porn (which also bears out with the dozen or so women from my ward I mentioned above, sadly), which you nor anyone else has "blown out of the water".

[Tbone]

Thought I'd just leave this here

[Yahtzee]

Why do you care? Most of your posts seem to be about women doing something wrong, or something about their bodies etc.. Did you have a female boss at work and you just can't handle it? Seems to me you should find another subject to pray and study about.

Let's try an exercise. Try to make an equal number of complaints about men. Once you do that, try to stop caring about other people's personal decisions. Let me know how it goes!

I've heard there is quite a link to the number of wives having plastic surgery in Utah, and the number of husbands watching porn in Utah. Maybe Benaishtart could tackle that theory.

According to the article Yahtzee posted above, “Utah Mormons’ rate of cosmetic surgery isn’t outsized at all. Among all Utah Mormons, 3.7% have had plastic surgery, slightly less than the 4% national average for all Americans. For Utah women, it’s 5.6%. That’s also a little less than the national average for women, which is 7%.”

So, I guess that theory is blown out of the water.

The links I posted blow those stats out of the water. Guess it all depends on whose surveys and polls and stats you want to believe. As for me, I personally know a dozen or so women in my little Midwest ward alone who have had cosmetic surgery (almost all were boob jobs, and/or tummy tucks - a couple had some facial things done, nose job, etc.). So, just going by the actual facts of the women I know first-hand, the stats are pretty high.

Besides, the "theory" I suggested Benny investigate is the correlation between Mormon wives having cosmetic surgery, and their husbands watching porn (which also bears out with the dozen or so women from my ward I mentioned above, sadly), which you nor anyone else has "blown out of the water".

I'm here in the heart of Utah county and know exactly 2 Mormons (and 3 non members) who've had tummy tucks and/or boob jobs (I'm not including post mastectomy people).
Where I'm from in California, it's much higher. So I disagree about personal stories proving a statistic.
The article even says, yes, there's still plenty of vanity. It's just not statistically significant.

[EmmaLee]

I've heard there is quite a link to the number of wives having plastic surgery in Utah, and the number of husbands watching porn in Utah. Maybe Benaishtart could tackle that theory.

According to the article Yahtzee posted above, “Utah Mormons’ rate of cosmetic surgery isn’t outsized at all. Among all Utah Mormons, 3.7% have had plastic surgery, slightly less than the 4% national average for all Americans. For Utah women, it’s 5.6%. That’s also a little less than the national average for women, which is 7%.”

So, I guess that theory is blown out of the water.

The links I posted blow those stats out of the water. Guess it all depends on whose surveys and polls and stats you want to believe. As for me, I personally know a dozen or so women in my little Midwest ward alone who have had cosmetic surgery (almost all were boob jobs, and/or tummy tucks - a couple had some facial things done, nose job, etc.). So, just going by the actual facts of the women I know first-hand, the stats are pretty high.

Besides, the "theory" I suggested Benny investigate is the correlation between Mormon wives having cosmetic surgery, and their husbands watching porn (which also bears out with the dozen or so women from my ward I mentioned above, sadly), which you nor anyone else has "blown out of the water".

I'm here in the heart of Utah county and know exactly 2 Mormons (and 3 non members) who've had tummy tucks and/or boob jobs (I'm not including post mastectomy people).
Where I'm from in California, it's much higher. So I disagree about personal stories proving a statistic.
The article even says, yes, there's still plenty of vanity. It's just not statistically significant.

I don't live in Utah (although most of the people in our ward are from there). I only know one non-member who has had cosmetic surgery (she's a Catholic, not that it matters). Personal stories don't "prove" a statistic - they don't disprove them either. I wonder if you lived in the heart of Salt Lake County (instead of college county), you would know more women who had had surgery. There is a reason that little (population-wise), Mormon Utah is #6 in the entire nation for the number of plastic surgeons. That's a fact, not a statistic.

[iWriteStuff]

This is purely anecdotal, but there are only two women in my ward (I'm not in Utah) that have had "work done" and they are both from Utah County. Both are in their 30's.

It's a shame some husbands can't love their wives for who they are rather than what they look like. Especially after they've given them a healthy posterity.

[RocknRoll]

…there are only two women in my ward (I'm not in Utah) that have had "work done"

How could you possibly know this?

Besides, the "theory" I suggested Benny investigate is the correlation between Mormon wives having cosmetic surgery, and their husbands watching porn (which also bears out with the dozen or so women from my ward I mentioned above, sadly), which you nor anyone else has "blown out of the water".

Same question for you. How could you possibly know that the “dozen or so women from your ward” that have had work done, also have husbands who “watch porn”?

[EmmaLee]

According to the article Yahtzee posted above, “Utah Mormons’ rate of cosmetic surgery isn’t outsized at all. Among all Utah Mormons, 3.7% have had plastic surgery, slightly less than the 4% national average for all Americans. For Utah women, it’s 5.6%. That’s also a little less than the national average for women, which is 7%.”

So, I guess that theory is blown out of the water.

The links I posted blow those stats out of the water. Guess it all depends on whose surveys and polls and stats you want to believe. As for me, I personally know a dozen or so women in my little Midwest ward alone who have had cosmetic surgery (almost all were boob jobs, and/or tummy tucks - a couple had some facial things done, nose job, etc.). So, just going by the actual facts of the women I know first-hand, the stats are pretty high.

Besides, the "theory" I suggested Benny investigate is the correlation between Mormon wives having cosmetic surgery, and their husbands watching porn (which also bears out with the dozen or so women from my ward I mentioned above, sadly), which you nor anyone else has "blown out of the water".

I'm here in the heart of Utah county and know exactly 2 Mormons (and 3 non members) who've had tummy tucks and/or boob jobs (I'm not including post mastectomy people).
Where I'm from in California, it's much higher. So I disagree about personal stories proving a statistic.
The article even says, yes, there's still plenty of vanity. It's just not statistically significant.

I don't live in Utah (although most of the people in our ward are from there). I only know one non-member who has had cosmetic surgery (she's a Catholic, not that it matters). Personal stories don't "prove" a statistic - they don't disprove them either. I wonder if you lived in the heart of Salt Lake County (instead of college county), you would know more women who had had surgery. There is a reason that little (population-wise), Mormon Utah is #6 in the entire nation for the number of plastic surgeons. That's a fact, not a statistic.

To be more clear, the dozen or so LDS women I know who have had cosmetic surgery do not all still currently live in our ward - some have moved away, some remain here - but over the space of years that we've lived in this ward, yes, I have known/know at least a dozen women who have had it. No doubt there are more that have had surgery that I'm not aware of - I only speak of the ones I know of first-hand.

[EmmaLee]

…there are only two women in my ward (I'm not in Utah) that have had "work done"

How could you possibly know this?

Besides, the "theory" I suggested Benny investigate is the correlation between Mormon wives having cosmetic surgery, and their husbands watching porn (which also bears out with the dozen or so women from my ward I mentioned above, sadly), which you nor anyone else has "blown out of the water".

Same question for you. How could you possibly know that the “dozen or so women from your ward” that have had work done, also have husbands who “watch porn”?

That's easy, RocknRoll - they told me. In case you were unaware, most women talk about these things very openly (at least the women I know do) - some even post about it on social media, others have shared it in RS, others have told me directly in personal conversations. Are men really not aware that their wives share this info with others??

[iWriteStuff]

…there are only two women in my ward (I'm not in Utah) that have had "work done"

How could you possibly know this?

They bragged about it to my wife.

As EmmaLee mentioned, women talk about things amongst themselves that I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. Sex life and behaviors, cosmetic surgery, who in the ward is stepping out on their spouse, and of course whose husband has a porn addiction.... I get to hear all this second hand from my wife, of course. I would never hear it from their husbands (partly because I don't hang out with them, I guess....).

[eddie]

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[eddie]

It's not difficult to spot, even if your aren't really looking! From this ( .) ( .) to this. ( . ) ( . ) ( made myself laugh, haha)

[iWriteStuff]

It's not difficult to spot, even if your aren't really looking! From this ( .) ( .) to this. ( . ) ( . ) ( made myself laugh, haha)

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[RocknRoll]

It's not difficult to spot, even if your aren't really looking! From this ( .) ( .) to this. ( . ) ( . ) ( made myself laugh, haha)

I guess I’ll have to pay more attention to the ladies’ breasts in my ward (don’t tell my wife I said that ) because it would take a pretty drastic change for me to notice such a thing. At least if they’re dressed in modest Sunday-go-to-meetin’ dresses.

[buffalo_girl]

Do Utah women get to keep their implants in the Resurrection?

Even when one's superior knowledge/spirituality is, in fact, without disputation, will 'put downs' of those deemed spiritually and/or intellectually inferior impact one's assigned degree of Glory?

[MMbelieve]

It's not difficult to spot, even if your aren't really looking! From this ( .) ( .) to this. ( . ) ( . ) ( made myself laugh, haha)

Are you a guy? Why are you paying that much attention to women who are not your own wife?

[eddie]

It's not difficult to spot, even if your aren't really looking! From this ( .) ( .) to this. ( . ) ( . ) ( made myself laugh, haha)

Are you a guy? Why are you paying that much attention to women who are not your own wife?

Are you serious? haha! I don't answer to you..