Why Rome?

[captainfearnot]

Who was the “designated survivor”?

Good question. Maybe the Presiding Bishopric takes charge while the presidency of the Seventy reconstructs the Quorum of the Twelve?

[LukeAir2008]

Who was the “designated survivor”?

Good question. Maybe the Presiding Bishopric takes charge while the presidency of the Seventy reconstructs the Quorum of the Twelve?

They don’t have the authority to reconstruct the Twelve and even if they did the new Quorum wouldn’t have any keys.

[captainfearnot]

Who was the “designated survivor”?

Good question. Maybe the Presiding Bishopric takes charge while the presidency of the Seventy reconstructs the Quorum of the Twelve?

They don’t have the authority to reconstruct the Twelve and even if they did the new Quorum wouldn’t have any keys.

Yeah, I actually don't have a clue about how any of this would work. But the keys shouldn't be a problem. If we're supposed to have them—Peter, James and John to the rescue. If not, well then I guess God wiped out all 15 apostles in one fell swoop for a reason.

[LukeAir2008]

Who was the “designated survivor”?

Good question. Maybe the Presiding Bishopric takes charge while the presidency of the Seventy reconstructs the Quorum of the Twelve?

They don’t have the authority to reconstruct the Twelve and even if they did the new Quorum wouldn’t have any keys.

Yeah, I actually don't have a clue about how any of this would work. But the keys shouldn't be a problem. If we're supposed to have them—Peter, James and John to the rescue. If not, well then I guess God wiped out all 15 apostles in one fell swoop for a reason.

I’m pretty sure that only the 15 men have the keys given to them when they are ordained. If they’re lost - they’re gone. Moses, Elijah, Abraham etc would have to come back which I dont think would happen.

[LukeAir2008]

I also think Peter, James and John would need to return to reinstate the Apostleship.

[Primary Outcast]

I strongly believe that President Nelson was inspired to take the Q15 to Rome, and if that is true then there must have been a significant reason for it.

1) Maybe the Catholic Church will see a huge falling out soon
2) Maybe the time of the gentiles is being completed
3) Maybe the destruction of Europe is imminent
4) I think that bloodlines have a powerful connection with conversion. Maybe the time for conversion of certain lines has been completed, and it is time for new bloodlines to be converted is beginning.

Because of President Nelson's statements about the future of the church I'm leaning towards #4.

[harakim]

I strongly believe that President Nelson was inspired to take the Q15 to Rome, and if that is true then there must have been a significant reason for it.

1) Maybe the Catholic Church will see a huge falling out soon
2) Maybe the time of the gentiles is being completed
3) Maybe the destruction of Europe is imminent
4) I think that bloodlines have a powerful connection with conversion. Maybe the time for conversion of certain lines has been completed, and it is time for new bloodlines to be converted is beginning.

Because of President Nelson's statements about the future of the church I'm leaning towards #4.

What statements about the future?

[Sasquatch]

Wow, that would be nice! Here in the States we have to fend for ourselves and pay out of our own pockets to work in the temple.

We have the same at the London and Preston temples.

You have accommodation centers at those temples?

Yes we do.
To be honest, until this thread I thought they all had.

The only North American temples that offer accommodations are in Los Angeles, Mexico City, and St George.

For some reason, I had assumed that temples built before the 1990s, especially those outside Utah (Washington DC, Cardston, Dallas, etc), would generally have accommodations.

[BruceRGilbert]

JST, James 2:1. Compare James 2:1

Members should not regard one person more highly than another.

1 My brethren, ye cannot have the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, and yet have respect to persons.

I noted that President Nelson referred to the Pope as "his holiness."

[gkearney]

It is standard protocol to refer to both the Roman Catholic Pope and the Pope Emeritus (Pope Benedict XVI), the Oriental Orthodox Patriarchs, the Patriarch of Constantinople, and the Dalai Lama with the title "His Holiness" or "Your Holiness".

Others that carry the title are the Karmapa, the Je Khenpo in Bhutan, the Caliph of Ahmadiyya Islam, and in Dawoodi Bohra sect of Ismaili Shia for esteemed office of Da'i Al-Mutlaq.

A female equivalent "Her Holiness" for Shinso Ito, the Head Priest of Shinnyo en Temple in Tachikawa, Tokyo

[Original_Intent]

There is something to be said for planting your flag in the belly of the beast. Taking all of the 15 may have been symbolic or there may have been deeper reasons. Seems the Vatican has been making some moves lately towards "one world religion" regardless of their possibly good intentions, there is much in such a move to be concerned about. It is possible even that the Rome temple will cause some backlash against LDS. It seems that President Nelson is saying "This isn't simply another of dozens of temples."

[BruceRGilbert]

There is something to be said for planting your flag in the belly of the beast. Taking all of the 15 may have been symbolic or there may have been deeper reasons. Seems the Vatican has been making some moves lately towards "one world religion" regardless of their possibly good intentions, there is much in such a move to be concerned about. It is possible even that the Rome temple will cause some backlash against LDS. It seems that President Nelson is saying "This isn't simply another of dozens of temples."

Pope Francis was a Jesuit with strong Jewish ties. The likelihood of the implementation of the Noahide Law under Sanhedrin jurisdiction is highly suspect. Such a condition could render Christian worship contrary to Jewish belief under the Law with the potential penalty being death - hence, setting the stage for extreme "Christian" persecution.

[Michelle]

I think the location had more to do with the things we didn't see heralded.

It was made clear by some of the articles that Peter and Paul were there.

In fact, it was said that all of the apostles were there.

I believe it likely that not just all the living apostles, but the ancient apostles, the three Nephites, John the Beloved, and perhaps others were there for a meeting, maybe even Christ. Perhaps that is the significance of the photo. A record of those who were there. The acceleration of events may have to do with them coming together and speaking of how to move forward all together in their different callings at this current time and place in history.

[sushi_chef]

nothing but illuminati ww3 agenda collaboration, ahmen.

""The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other.

Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion… We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil.

Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view.

This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."
"
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/soci ... plar15.htm


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contemporary of brigham albert pike(1809 - 91)
"agentur" of the "Illuminati
https://search.yahoo.co.jp/search?ei=UT ... Illuminati

[Lizzy60]

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VCJ8lCeYH6U/ ... tled-1.jpg

The Pope probably wouldn't approve. Pres Nelson holding Peter's keys.

[sushi_chef]

urrrr...ummmm...., priesthood restoration stuff!!....ummm....
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[Dusty52]

Scotland must have close to 27,000 members the same as Italy, I can't ever imagine a temple north of the border!
It would be interesting to compare and contrast the two sets of members in terms of donations, activity rates, etc

[Sasquatch]

Scotland must have close to 27,000 members the same as Italy, I can't ever imagine a temple north of the border!
It would be interesting to compare and contrast the two sets of members in terms of donations, activity rates, etc

Italy and Scotland both have about 27,000 members.

But, Italy has ten stakes and 101 congregations, while Scotland has five stakes and 41 congregations. So unless the stakes and wards in Italy are smaller, it seems Italy's active membership is roughly twice that of Scotland.

Still I wouldn't be surprised if Scotland gets a temple sometime in the next decade. Heck, I kind of expect Ireland and Wales to have temples in the near future. If Winnipeg will soon have a temple (which will likely serve exactly one stake, and possibly a district) then why shouldn't other countries/states with one or two stakes (Singapore; Tasmania; Jamaica; Fairbanks, Alaska)

[Thinker]

urrrr...ummmm...., priesthood restoration stuff!!....ummm....
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