Why Rome?

[EmmaLee]

I mean, I don't see why someone would have a complaint about a temple in Rome. I do understand why someone would ask why there are SEVENTEEN in Utah though.

With three more announced for Utah, making a total of 20 temples in Utah alone.

[harakim]

Most of mainland Europe can get to Rome relatively easily

Not really.

A friend of mine from Sweden went to the open house, was a full day's drive. Us Canadians are used to also driving farther distances too. People in the UK have no sense of day driving distances. Members in Winnipeg have to travel to Toronto for a temple if they wish to stay in Canada, which is nearly the same distance as Sweden to Rome.

Why wouldn't you go to Regina or even Alberta?

[Sunain]

I had the same thoughts about staffing the Rome temple (and all other temples where there are so few members). I know here in the Midwestern U.S. (where there are far more members than in Italy), we have to make appointments/reservations to do temple work, so the workers will know how many staff they will need for any given session, etc. You can't just show up at a temple and attend a session, in other words. And yes, the temples around here are closed for most of the day during the week. Our 'assigned' temple is Winter Quarters in Omaha, and we live 2 1/2 hours away (assuming the roads aren't ice, then it's a 3 1/2+ hour drive) - and several of our friends are workers in that temple and drive out to serve on Saturday's. They have to leave here Friday, spend the night in a motel (at their expense, of course), serve on Saturday, then drive back late Saturday night. They all do this 2-4 weekends every month, which incurs a fair amount of cost between motels, food, and gas money. Other members from other areas in our temple district do the same, as there is no way the temple could be fully staffed and functional just with the members in the Omaha area. I imagine it will be the same for the Rome temple (and all other temples outside the MorCor).

The Rome Temple has a Accommodation Center, "A lodging facility for temple workers and patrons who must travel long distances to Rome" to help alleviate that issue. Apparently it's part of one of the new buildings on the temple complex.

I mean, I don't see why someone would have a complaint about a temple in Rome. I do understand why someone would ask why there are SEVENTEEN in Utah though.

Salt Lake will be closed for 3 years as will St George. Those are 2 of the busiest temples in the world. I remember as a missionary in Salt Lake that the Provo Temple was operating at 120% while I was at the MTC and we could only go once while in the MTC. Salt Lake we had to go to the 7am session on Monday's, if we were lucky to get a spot. They prioritized missionaries and general authorities and others would have to wait till the next session.
With the newly announced temples in Utah, I think that will probably be the last ones will see built there though as capacity problems should be fixed.

[harakim]

I mean, I don't see why someone would have a complaint about a temple in Rome. I do understand why someone would ask why there are SEVENTEEN in Utah though.

1 temple for 27000 people (1/27000)

20 temples for 2000000 people (1/100000)

[Sunain]

Why wouldn't you go to Regina or even Alberta?

Sorry meant to say had instead of have before those temples were built recently. Many members still go to Toronto because of accommodations and to do other things on the trip.

[harakim]

Why wouldn't you go to Regina or even Alberta?

Sorry meant to say had instead of have before those temples were built recently. Many members still go to Toronto because of accommodations and to do other things on the trip.

So... BEFORE 1913?

[Zathura]

I had the same thoughts about staffing the Rome temple (and all other temples where there are so few members). I know here in the Midwestern U.S. (where there are far more members than in Italy), we have to make appointments/reservations to do temple work, so the workers will know how many staff they will need for any given session, etc. You can't just show up at a temple and attend a session, in other words. And yes, the temples around here are closed for most of the day during the week. Our 'assigned' temple is Winter Quarters in Omaha, and we live 2 1/2 hours away (assuming the roads aren't ice, then it's a 3 1/2+ hour drive) - and several of our friends are workers in that temple and drive out to serve on Saturday's. They have to leave here Friday, spend the night in a motel (at their expense, of course), serve on Saturday, then drive back late Saturday night. They all do this 2-4 weekends every month, which incurs a fair amount of cost between motels, food, and gas money. Other members from other areas in our temple district do the same, as there is no way the temple could be fully staffed and functional just with the members in the Omaha area. I imagine it will be the same for the Rome temple (and all other temples outside the MorCor).

The Rome Temple has a Accommodation Center, "A lodging facility for temple workers and patrons who must travel long distances to Rome" to help alleviate that issue. Apparently it's part of one of the new buildings on the temple complex.

I mean, I don't see why someone would have a complaint about a temple in Rome. I do understand why someone would ask why there are SEVENTEEN in Utah though.

Salt Lake will be closed for 3 years as will St George. Those are 2 of the busiest temples in the world. I remember as a missionary in Salt Lake that the Provo Temple was operating at 120% while I was at the MTC and we could only go once while in the MTC. Salt Lake we had to go to the 7am session on Monday's, if we were lucky to get a spot. They prioritized missionaries and general authorities and others would have to wait till the next session.
With the newly announced temples in Utah, I think that will probably be the last ones will see built there though as capacity problems should be fixed.

Yeah, Provo was nuts when I was there. Speaking of Provo, I love that breakfast.

[EmmaLee]

I had the same thoughts about staffing the Rome temple (and all other temples where there are so few members). I know here in the Midwestern U.S. (where there are far more members than in Italy), we have to make appointments/reservations to do temple work, so the workers will know how many staff they will need for any given session, etc. You can't just show up at a temple and attend a session, in other words. And yes, the temples around here are closed for most of the day during the week. Our 'assigned' temple is Winter Quarters in Omaha, and we live 2 1/2 hours away (assuming the roads aren't ice, then it's a 3 1/2+ hour drive) - and several of our friends are workers in that temple and drive out to serve on Saturday's. They have to leave here Friday, spend the night in a motel (at their expense, of course), serve on Saturday, then drive back late Saturday night. They all do this 2-4 weekends every month, which incurs a fair amount of cost between motels, food, and gas money. Other members from other areas in our temple district do the same, as there is no way the temple could be fully staffed and functional just with the members in the Omaha area. I imagine it will be the same for the Rome temple (and all other temples outside the MorCor).

The Rome Temple has a Accommodation Center, "A lodging facility for temple workers and patrons who must travel long distances to Rome" to help alleviate that issue. Apparently it's part of one of the new buildings on the temple complex.

Wow, that would be nice! Here in the States we have to fend for ourselves and pay out of our own pockets to work in the temple.

[Robin Hood]

Why spend 100 million plus on a building in a predominantly Catholic country where only 0.04% of the population are mormon? there are approximately only 27,000 members, the church has been in that country for 169 years, its not working is it?
Flogging a dead horse comes to mind
They are not interested!
87% of the population classify themselves Catholic (Population of Italy 60.59 million)
It's a no brainer!

Yes Dusty, with you, flogging a dead horse does come to mind.

This is so short-sighted.
Just because this generation of Italians don't appear to be interested in the restored gospel, who's to say that a future one won't?

Are you replying to me or Dusty?

Both

[Robin Hood]

I had the same thoughts about staffing the Rome temple (and all other temples where there are so few members). I know here in the Midwestern U.S. (where there are far more members than in Italy), we have to make appointments/reservations to do temple work, so the workers will know how many staff they will need for any given session, etc. You can't just show up at a temple and attend a session, in other words. And yes, the temples around here are closed for most of the day during the week. Our 'assigned' temple is Winter Quarters in Omaha, and we live 2 1/2 hours away (assuming the roads aren't ice, then it's a 3 1/2+ hour drive) - and several of our friends are workers in that temple and drive out to serve on Saturday's. They have to leave here Friday, spend the night in a motel (at their expense, of course), serve on Saturday, then drive back late Saturday night. They all do this 2-4 weekends every month, which incurs a fair amount of cost between motels, food, and gas money. Other members from other areas in our temple district do the same, as there is no way the temple could be fully staffed and functional just with the members in the Omaha area. I imagine it will be the same for the Rome temple (and all other temples outside the MorCor).

The Rome Temple has a Accommodation Center, "A lodging facility for temple workers and patrons who must travel long distances to Rome" to help alleviate that issue. Apparently it's part of one of the new buildings on the temple complex.

Wow, that would be nice! Here in the States we have to fend for ourselves and pay out of our own pockets to work in the temple.

We have the same at the London and Preston temples.

[PressingForward]

I mean, I don't see why someone would have a complaint about a temple in Rome. I do understand why someone would ask why there are SEVENTEEN in Utah though.

1 temple for 27000 people (1/27000)

20 temples for 200000 people (1/100000)

20 temples for 200000 equals 1 per 10000 folks.......

[harakim]

I mean, I don't see why someone would have a complaint about a temple in Rome. I do understand why someone would ask why there are SEVENTEEN in Utah though.

1 temple for 27000 people (1/27000)

20 temples for 200000 people (1/100000)

20 temples for 200000 equals 1 per 10000 folks.......

I corrected my post. It's 2 000 000, not 200 000

[Robin Hood]

Most of mainland Europe can get to Rome relatively easily

Not really.

A friend of mine from Sweden went to the open house, was a full day's drive. Us Canadians are used to also driving farther distances too. People in the UK have no sense of day driving distances. Members in Winnipeg had to travel to Toronto for a temple if they wish to stay in Canada, which is nearly the same distance as Sweden to Rome.

edit: past tense

You can't drive from Sweden to Rome in a day. Even if you drove not stop (no toilet break, no rest, no food stops etc) and encountered no traffic delays, road works etc, it would still take 27 hours.
Europeans generally do not attempt to drive such long distances. Driving in Europe is very different to driving in Canada or the US. Believe me, I've done it.

My son is married to a Canadian. When her father came over for a visit he categorically refused to drive here. He was too frightened.

[EmmaLee]

I had the same thoughts about staffing the Rome temple (and all other temples where there are so few members). I know here in the Midwestern U.S. (where there are far more members than in Italy), we have to make appointments/reservations to do temple work, so the workers will know how many staff they will need for any given session, etc. You can't just show up at a temple and attend a session, in other words. And yes, the temples around here are closed for most of the day during the week. Our 'assigned' temple is Winter Quarters in Omaha, and we live 2 1/2 hours away (assuming the roads aren't ice, then it's a 3 1/2+ hour drive) - and several of our friends are workers in that temple and drive out to serve on Saturday's. They have to leave here Friday, spend the night in a motel (at their expense, of course), serve on Saturday, then drive back late Saturday night. They all do this 2-4 weekends every month, which incurs a fair amount of cost between motels, food, and gas money. Other members from other areas in our temple district do the same, as there is no way the temple could be fully staffed and functional just with the members in the Omaha area. I imagine it will be the same for the Rome temple (and all other temples outside the MorCor).

The Rome Temple has a Accommodation Center, "A lodging facility for temple workers and patrons who must travel long distances to Rome" to help alleviate that issue. Apparently it's part of one of the new buildings on the temple complex.

Wow, that would be nice! Here in the States we have to fend for ourselves and pay out of our own pockets to work in the temple.

We have the same at the London and Preston temples.

You have accommodation centers at those temples?

[Robin Hood]

The Rome Temple has a Accommodation Center, "A lodging facility for temple workers and patrons who must travel long distances to Rome" to help alleviate that issue. Apparently it's part of one of the new buildings on the temple complex.

Wow, that would be nice! Here in the States we have to fend for ourselves and pay out of our own pockets to work in the temple.

We have the same at the London and Preston temples.

You have accommodation centers at those temples?

Yes we do.
To be honest, until this thread I thought they all had.

[Sunain]

You can't drive from Sweden to Rome in a day. Even if you drove not stop (no toilet break, no rest, no food stops etc) and encountered no traffic delays, road works etc, it would still take 27 hours.
Europeans generally do not attempt to drive such long distances. Driving in Europe is very different to driving in Canada or the US. Believe me, I've done it.

My son is married to a Canadian. When her father came over for a visit he categorically refused to drive here. He was too frightened.

According to him, 23 hours, 3 drivers from Gothenburg. It was very common here in Canada before we got the Toronto Temple for members to cycle drivers to go to Cardston or DC. Road works did slow them though. Canadian driving is also different than Ontario driving.

[PressingForward]

Most of mainland Europe can get to Rome relatively easily

We drove all over Europe when we lived in Germany. It did stink to drive an American car
In the UK though since you drive on the wrong side of the road!
It made passing a faith type experience!

Not really.

A friend of mine from Sweden went to the open house, was a full day's drive. Us Canadians are used to also driving farther distances too. People in the UK have no sense of day driving distances. Members in Winnipeg had to travel to Toronto for a temple if they wish to stay in Canada, which is nearly the same distance as Sweden to Rome.

edit: past tense

You can't drive from Sweden to Rome in a day. Even if you drove not stop (no toilet break, no rest, no food stops etc) and encountered no traffic delays, road works etc, it would still take 27 hours.
Europeans generally do not attempt to drive such long distances. Driving in Europe is very different to driving in Canada or the US. Believe me, I've done it.

My son is married to a Canadian. When her father came over for a visit he categorically refused to drive here. He was too frightened.

[Robin Hood]

You can't drive from Sweden to Rome in a day. Even if you drove not stop (no toilet break, no rest, no food stops etc) and encountered no traffic delays, road works etc, it would still take 27 hours.
Europeans generally do not attempt to drive such long distances. Driving in Europe is very different to driving in Canada or the US. Believe me, I've done it.

My son is married to a Canadian. When her father came over for a visit he categorically refused to drive here. He was too frightened.

According to him, 23 hours, 3 drivers from Gothenburg. It was very common here in Canada before we got the Toronto Temple for members to cycle drivers to go to Cardston or DC. Road works did slow them though. Canadian driving is also different than Ontario driving.

I am assuming Stockholm as the starting point and according to route planner, the very best time would be 26 hours and 41 minutes. If Gothenburg, then 23 hours and 56 minutes but that is assuming no stops for the toilet or refueling.
I think your friend is mistaken.

[kgrigio]

I served in Italy as a missionary in 1993 and the Rome temple is and will be a great blessing to those saints. I am beyond thrilled for them. Dusty's constant harping on anything the church does is typical Dusty, low on facts and long on emotion. Yes, the church has been in Italy for a long time, but keep in mind that a lot of the early saints that converted in Italy in the late 1800's and early 1900's immigrated to the US and to the Salt Lake Valley. In fact, a number of members and new converts today choose to immigrate to the US or other northern European countries as there are just more opportunities. I am constantly amazed at how many Italians I encounters when I make business trips to England, Germany, and France.

In addition, the Catholic church has been extremely antagonistic towards the church for a very, very long time. I am actually stunned they allowed the temple project when it was announced 10 years or so ago. In the city of Taranto, it was a miracle when the city allowed the name of the street leading up to the new chapel to be named Via Lorenzo Snow, back when the chapel was built in the late 80's. I think part of the city allowing it was the chapel was built pretty far out of the way and isolated. Unfortunately, this isolation created a long, unlit road that Italians often used for romantic endeavors in their vehicles. I saw many a bare bum when walking to the church in the evenings. Not exactly the best image for that building.

I know the temple has created an air of excitement and I know the saints there are extremely faithful and this will further solidify their faith and bring power and influence into their lives. When I was serving there, on Sicily and in the Puglia, when a temple trip came up the members heeded the call and did what it took to make the trip to Bern so I feel confident they will keep the temple busy enough, maybe not Salt Lake Valley busy, but busy enough to meet the needs of the members in Italy and those visiting. I only pray one day I can go visit the temple with my wife and see some of the fruits of the work I performed while there.

[EmmaLee]

Wow, that would be nice! Here in the States we have to fend for ourselves and pay out of our own pockets to work in the temple.

We have the same at the London and Preston temples.

You have accommodation centers at those temples?

Yes we do.
To be honest, until this thread I thought they all had.

Cool! That's nice for you guys. But nope, we don't have them here - at least not at any of the temples we attend on a regular basis (Winter Quarters, Nauvoo, Kansas City, Minneapolis, Boise, Meridian - some of our kids live near the last two, and we visit them often). Sure wish we did though - it would make temple trips much more affordable, and more people would be able to serve as workers in the temples around here if they didn't have to foot the entire bill for their motels, food, gas, etc. It seems there is a different standard in this regard with some of the temples outside the U.S.

[Dusty52]

Why take all 15?
When 1 or 2 could of done it
It's never been done before in the history of the church outside the US?
I bet if the temple had been in Africa maybe 1 or 2 would of gone!

[gkearney]

Who was the “designated survivor”?

[kittycat51]

Why take all 15?
When 1 or 2 could of done it
It's never been done before in the history of the church outside the US?
I bet if the temple had been in Africa maybe 1 or 2 would of gone!

Really Dusty, there's obviously some great significant reason why?

There were 12 apostles in the early Church, which all the Catholic church believe in. Peter being one of the 12 is who they believe the Pope gets his authority from. So why do they not have 12 apostles today? Well The Church of Jesus Christ of Later day Saints DOES. The 12 statues standing behind Christ shown in the visitor center is also a statement to the Italian people. (and possibly to the Vatican) All of them making their presence known for the dedication was a testimony of sorts that 12 apostles still walk the earth today.

[cyclOps]

Why take all 15?
When 1 or 2 could of done it
It's never been done before in the history of the church outside the US?
I bet if the temple had been in Africa maybe 1 or 2 would of gone!

The easiest answer is usually correct. He’s the prophet. Prophets receive instructions from God on what to do. God told him to bring all 15. Period. End of story.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900 ... ut-it.html

[kittycat51]

I mean, I don't see why someone would have a complaint about a temple in Rome. I do understand why someone would ask why there are SEVENTEEN in Utah though.

I have lived in Northern Utah County (Utah, USA) for almost 18 years. Back in the beginning I could drive to the Mt Timpanogos temple, do some initiatory and be back home in less than an hour. It was great. I usually go weekly and have been able to witness the temple get steadily busier throughout this time. I went this morning to do initiatory and there was a wait of 1 hour and 20 minutes just to do so! By the time I got home, I could have just as well done a session in that time. Yes this has become the new normal at our temple. Years ago they use to let you do up to 5 people for initiatory; now they only let you do 3. I have done sessions at various times of the day, and no matter, they are always busy. I look forward to the building of the Saratoga Springs temple because this will take a great weight off of our temple.