The Expense of Furnishings within Temples

[Dusty52]

I read somtime ago about the amount of money the church spent on one chandelier was $200k for a temple?
Is this correct

[Robin Hood]

No idea.
However, I do think temples are becoming more extravagent. The Rome temple is the latest example.

[Mindfields]

The Jesus I believe in would rather us use a 50 cent candle and give the remaining $199.999.50 to the poor, widows and orphans.

[Dusty52]

The Jesus I believe in would rather us use a 50 cent candle and give the remaining $199.999.50 to the poor, widows and orphans.

That is my opinion exactly!!!
I just wanted to establish the truth first before I posted anything, but I do think its true!

[Dusty52]

No idea.
However, I do think temples are becoming more extravagent. The Rome temple is the latest example.

I agree and why are all the 15 going over for the dedication, only one is needed, imagine the expense of all of that!

[Chip]

No idea.
However, I do think temples are becoming more extravagent. The Rome temple is the latest example.

I agree and why are all the 15 going over for the dedication, only one is needed, imagine the expense of all of that!

Perhaps a secret confab with the Vatican? Maybe taking correlation to the next level?

This event seems most auspicious.

[Dusty52]

No idea.
However, I do think temples are becoming more extravagent. The Rome temple is the latest example.

I agree and why are all the 15 going over for the dedication, only one is needed, imagine the expense of all of that!

Perhaps a secret confab with the Vatican? Maybe taking correlation to the next level?

maybe they need backup when facing the "whore of the whole earth"

[Lizzy60]

Pres Nelson gave high praise to the Pope.

https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/ ... is-vatican


"Following the 33-minute meeting, President Nelson and President Ballard met with members of the media. "We had a most cordial, unforgettable experience. His Holiness, he was most gracious and warm and welcoming," said President Nelson. He continued, "What a sweet, wonderful man he is, and how fortunate the Catholic people are to have such a gracious, concerned, loving and capable leader." "

[Dusty52]

Pres Nelson gave high praise to the Pope.

https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/ ... is-vatican


"Following the 33-minute meeting, President Nelson and President Ballard met with members of the media. "We had a most cordial, unforgettable experience. His Holiness, he was most gracious and warm and welcoming," said President Nelson. He continued, "What a sweet, wonderful man he is, and how fortunate the Catholic people are to have such a gracious, concerned, loving and capable leader." "

Let's hope he sorts out the abuse issues that have plagued his church throughout, that will be one of the litmus tests of his leadership, but I guess it will never be sorted out
Clerical celibacy is just plain wrong and is not of God

[shadow]

The Jesus I believe in would rather us use a 50 cent candle and give the remaining $199.999.50 to the poor, widows and orphans.

You might want to get to know the real Jesus.

7 There came unto him a woman having an alabaster box of very precious ointment, and poured it on his head, as he sat at meat.
8 But when his disciples saw it, they had indignation, saying, To what purpose is this waste?
9 For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to the poor.
10 When Jesus understood it, he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me.
11 For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.

[Durzan]

The Jesus I believe in would rather us use a 50 cent candle and give the remaining $199.999.50 to the poor, widows and orphans.

Do you not realize that the old Testament Tabernacle was extravagant, as well as Solomon's temple, and the Second temple? Jehovah commanded those temples and tabernacles to be made with extravagance, according to the Law of Moses, and that likewise, Jehovah commanded the use of expensive oils for the rituals that would point to his coming in the meridian of time? And did you not realize that there were at least one time where Judas made the same kind of argument as what you just said?

When Jesus commanded the early saints to construct a temple, they sacrificed much time and effort to procure the most precious materials they could furnish for the temple, and they then crafted them with their own hands. Therefore, I ask you, did they sin in this? Nay. Therefore, why should our leaders be sinning in this when they do a similar thing and for a similar reason?

[Chip]

"Following the 33-minute meeting, President Nelson and President Ballard met with members of the media. "We had a most cordial, unforgettable experience. His Holiness, he was most gracious and warm and welcoming," said President Nelson. He continued, "What a sweet, wonderful man he is, and how fortunate the Catholic people are to have such a gracious, concerned, loving and capable leader." "

Stuff like this wierds me out. I think the whole world is realizing that the Pope is presiding over a global network of homosexual pedophile criminals and he may be quite sympathetic to them, if not part and parcel of the whole scheme. Really, how could he not be? And never mind the Pope's politics.

Now, as a Mormon, I am induced to follow the prophet's lead. If he feels things are on the up-and-up with the Pope, I should, too, right? I guess all that pedo stuff doesn't matter as much as the Pope is such a wonderful leader. I suppose the Pope will give a similar report of the Mormon prophet. It's like all my concerns can be retired now, if I just follow the prophet.

[Dusty52]

Chip
My advice would be for you to be autonomous, be free thinking and only follow if everything feels good, adds up and makes sense to your reasoning, don't follow anyone because of their calling! Blind obedience is never good!

[Dusty52]

No idea.
However, I do think temples are becoming more extravagent. The Rome temple is the latest example.

I agree and why are all the 15 going over for the dedication, only one is needed, imagine the expense of all of that!

I wonder how many of women leaders will be invited to go, relief society and primary?

[Chip]

Chip
My advice would be for you to be autonomous, to be free thinking and only follow if everything feels good, adds up and makes sense to your reasoning, don't follow anyone because of their calling!

President Nelson makes everyone feel good, I think. He's a warm and sincere person. What's not to like about him?

I wonder, though, how Jesus would interact with this Pope, knowing exactly what the truth is. There would certainly be some gravity in his interaction. Jesus never praised any leaders, he just warned and exhorted them. He wouldn't even let people call him "good". It's hard to imagine Jesus praising the Pope.

I guess what bugs me is that everything is happy, happy, happy in the global leadership club, despite all the known spiritual wickedness in those high places. Like, how Cheney got invited to speak at a BYU graduation a while back, all the way to R Kelly being lauded by the NAACP while under indictment for child pornography.

[EmmaLee]

"Following the 33-minute meeting, President Nelson and President Ballard met with members of the media. "We had a most cordial, unforgettable experience. His Holiness, he was most gracious and warm and welcoming," said President Nelson. He continued, "What a sweet, wonderful man he is, and how fortunate the Catholic people are to have such a gracious, concerned, loving and capable leader." "

Stuff like this wierds me out. I think the whole world is realizing that the Pope is presiding over a global network of homosexual pedophile criminals and he may be quite sympathetic to them, if not part and parcel of the whole scheme. Really, how could he not be? And never mind the Pope's politics.

Now, as a Mormon, I am induced to follow the prophet's lead. If he feels things are on the up-and-up with the Pope, I should, too, right? I guess all that pedo stuff doesn't matter as much as the Pope is such a wonderful leader. I suppose the Pope will give a similar report of the Mormon prophet. It's like all my concerns can be retired now, if I just follow the prophet.

Not only does this "sweet, wonderful, concerned, loving, and capable" Pope reign over the most prolific pedophile organization ever upon this planet, but he is also a globalist and a Marxist. Just a few examples -

https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-ne ... -globalism

https://www.catholicamericanthinker.com ... -Pope.html

https://spectator.org/the-popes-marxist ... e-jesuits/

https://blog.acton.org/archives/106593- ... ripes.html

[Thinker]

The Jesus I believe in would rather us use a 50 cent candle and give the remaining $199.999.50 to the poor, widows and orphans.

You might want to get to know the real Jesus.

7 There came unto him a woman having an alabaster box of very precious ointment, and poured it on his head, as he sat at meat.
8 But when his disciples saw it, they had indignation, saying, To what purpose is this waste?
9 For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to the poor.
10 When Jesus understood it, he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me.
11 For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.

Christ, like God, looks on the heart - whether it’s that expensive oil or a widow’s mite - what matters is the person’s heart. Christ acknowledged when people didn’t know better - like the widow giving to corrupt religious leaders who would soon have Jesus killed - she believed the religious leaders to be good and thus her heart was in the right place. People who know better and still support evil - their hearts are not on what is good.

The real Jesus told the rich to give EVERYTHING to the poor and follow Christ. Our church is rich & uses Jesus Christ’s name in vain to make money and buy worldly things, while neglecting & taking advantage of the poor, in over-charging in exchange for worthiness - and based on income rather than increase, and not sharing any TITHES with the poor. The real Jesus taught that the TOP priority is to Love God by loving those in need - and if we neglect this, we will be held accountable.

• “For behold, ye do love money, & your substance, & your fine apparel, & the adorning of your churches, more than ye love the poor & the needy, the sick & the afflicted. O ye pollutions, ye hypocrites, ye teachers, who sell yourselves for that which will canker, why have ye polluted the holy church of God? Why do ye not think that greater is the value of an endless happiness than that misery which never dies – because of the praise of the world?” –Mormon 8:37-38

[brianj]

The Jesus I believe in would rather us use a 50 cent candle and give the remaining $199.999.50 to the poor, widows and orphans.

I regularly rebut fools who believe this church would be every bit as big and wealthy as it is today if we didn't have any temples or meetinghouses. That the church would receive every bit as much in donations and nothing would be different. I call these people fools because they fail to recognize the power of the priesthood.

It is no coincidence that when temples are built in new areas we typically see an increased growth in those areas. By providing an opportunity for the power of God to be made manifest and for the local population to be blessed through temple worship, by doing as the ancient Israelis were commanded to do and make temples as high quality as possible, the church experiences increased growth in membership, active membership, and the amount of donations received that can be used to help people in need.

[Thinker]

Speaking about fools... what’s that quote?
"A fool and his money are soon parted." - Thomas Tusser

Despite that church finances are kept dishonestly secret, Dallin Oaks admitted no tithes help the poor. Then, many began giving part of their tithes to those in need or gave extra fast offerings... So, then the church leader$ decided to legally disclose that even if you designated fast offering$ - the church leaders now say it’s their money and they can use it as they want...

[Chip]

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My spirit feels a little grieved over things like this. In this world, though, how else could it be?

Deseret Books is also offering some nice Amish furniture for a little over $2,000 per piece.

[Lizzy60]

No idea.
However, I do think temples are becoming more extravagent. The Rome temple is the latest example.

I agree and why are all the 15 going over for the dedication, only one is needed, imagine the expense of all of that!

I wonder how many of women leaders will be invited to go, relief society and primary?

I just read that all the Apostles' wives are with them, but none of the General Auxilliary women leaders.

[Dusty52]

It's done
I still wonder why they all went, Rome is for Catholics the same as SLC is for Mormons, their HQ, perhaps that's the reason, I wonder if the pope was presented with a BOM?

[The Airbender]

"Following the 33-minute meeting, President Nelson and President Ballard met with members of the media. "We had a most cordial, unforgettable experience. His Holiness, he was most gracious and warm and welcoming," said President Nelson. He continued, "What a sweet, wonderful man he is, and how fortunate the Catholic people are to have such a gracious, concerned, loving and capable leader." "

Stuff like this wierds me out. I think the whole world is realizing that the Pope is presiding over a global network of homosexual pedophile criminals and he may be quite sympathetic to them, if not part and parcel of the whole scheme. Really, how could he not be? And never mind the Pope's politics.

Now, as a Mormon, I am induced to follow the prophet's lead. If he feels things are on the up-and-up with the Pope, I should, too, right? I guess all that pedo stuff doesn't matter as much as the Pope is such a wonderful leader. I suppose the Pope will give a similar report of the Mormon prophet. It's like all my concerns can be retired now, if I just follow the prophet.

What ever happened to

"Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God." -James 4:4

[dewajack]

I believe it's wise not to make too many assumptions and give others the benefit of the doubt, and let it all play out.

Why did Abraham pay tithes to Melchizedek, what was included in the tithes, and what did Melchizedek do with those tithes if he was leaving?

[Dusty52]

The Jesus I believe in would rather us use a 50 cent candle and give the remaining $199.999.50 to the poor, widows and orphans.

Christ told a rich man to give all he had to the poor, his birth took place in a stable not a palace, Christ couldn't of distanced himself more than he did from money or ostanciousness! and yet we continue to build temples costing millions of dollars, why not build temples which are cheaper and functional?