Birth Control Poll

[paid2play]

this kind of ppoll probably has been done before, o well.

[thestock]

We just had a birth control thread poll not even 10 days ago I think...

[brianj]

Nice way of excluding a bunch of us. The way the questions are written excludes anybody from answering if they aren't actively able to use birth control.

[Fiannan]

What about the choice of using birth control merely to space children but with the goal of having a lot of kids?

[PressingForward]

I Had a vasectomy after my wife miscarried 2 of our triplets, she was not capable of dealing with losing any more children.
We have two children, but I would have liked to have had 5.

[LadyT]

I Had a vasectomy after my wife miscarried 2 of our triplets, she was not capable of dealing with losing any more children.
We have two children, but I would have liked 5.

It's horrible to lose your children. So sorry for your loss.
I won't say I understand because we all are different. I know what it's like to lose a baby and what it can do to a person.

[Sarah]

I Had a vasectomy after my wife miscarried 2 of our triplets, she was not capable of dealing with losing any more children.
We have two children, but I would have liked to have had 5.

Many people I've known who have lost children have had the same reaction, including my own parents. My mom wanted 13 kids for some reason. After having 6 my brother died, and the thought of having to go through that again made them not want to have any more.

[Trucker]

There sure are a lot of threads on fertility and such.

I think it's important to have a family. It's how we fully participate in life, both here and in the afterlife. But I don't think there's an obligation to have as many as you can. I don't think any is going to hell because they didn't have a huge family. Nowhere in the scriptures does it say that. It's a modern church invention meant to scare members, and it worked. Now birth control is never mentioned, even though it used to be a sin. It's an interpolation of man.

I think families should be promoted. I think big families are great. But I don't think anyone should be shamed for using birth control or limiting their family size.

[lundbaek]

When I lived in Utah in the late 1960s, any means of preventing conception was said by local Church authorities to be a sin.

[Fiannan]

When I lived in Utah in the late 1960s, any means of preventing conception was said by local Church authorities to be a sin.

Ah, but the great and spacious buildings, with the world's Sirens singing their sweet songs of modernity, can get anyone to modify their stance.

[lundbaek]

Has the Church modified its stance on preventing conception ? It seems to have modified its stance on other issues.

[Fiannan]

Has the Church modified its stance on preventing conception ? It seems to have modified its stance on other issues.

Sort of. They supplied an escape clause, so to speak, in the Holy Handbook in which they say the decision for a couple as to the number of children they have is between them and the Lord. Anyone who knows the doctrines of the Church would see this in the same light as a parent telling a child that they can pet a growling pit bull if that is their choice, it is up to them. If the couple prays and tries to stay tuned to the Spirit then we can assume what most will receive as inspiration.

However, the advice might also get the Church off the hook in case someone who has health problems might wish to sue because they continued to have kids, and problems resulted. So legally, saying the decision is the couple's gets rid of any sort of chance someone could sue.

[Juliet]

It is rare to have lots of kids these days. But this is the fruit of spiritual problems that have been growing for generations. I always hated the idea of government welfare. To me, that was the beginning of the end. When the government controls who eats, as opposed to the contracts between people willing to work by the sweat of their brow, and yes, administer mercy to those in need; then the government controls who lives and dies; and who has the time and energy to reproduce.

Whether or not we turn the ship around before our race depletes itself, we can at least learn not to build society on a bad foundation again.

I take my kids to the park and I am the only one with white kids. All the other cultures are having kids. Just not the white people. It is sad. But I also know most women in the neighborhoods I have lived are working. It is pretty hard to bear children when you have to work.

And just paying to give birth when you don't have medicaid is another nightmare that makes it nearly impossible to save for the obgyn prenatal care, hospital care, and pediatrician care. The healthcare is complete exploitation of people and the greed and dishonesty found not just there but in our society in general is also part of our rotting foundation.

[simpleton]

When I lived in Utah in the late 1960s, any means of preventing conception was said by local Church authorities to be a sin.

Well, to entertain the idea of eliminating our offspring is where sin is conceived. And sin has been conceived and watered and now it flourishes to the point of that we murder our offspring. But lets actually call the pill for what it really is, the " abortion pill", or the "aborticide pill". And to live our life by " the church handbook" definitely will not lead us to the celestial kingdom.

[Fiannan]

Spiritual considerations aside, the only thing you leave on this planet is your descendants. If you dropped dead tomorrow your job would be filled in no time. And eventually even the people you worked with will have a faint memory of you. Your house, car, etc. will decompose and return to its original elements. And ultimately, when you die the only people who really, truly, for sure care are those who you have in your family.

[lumberjacksdaughter]

We had nine kids because we were hesitant to tell Heavenly Father that the next spirit that he wished to send into our home would be an inconvenience and therefore unwelcome. Was I a fool to think in such a way?

(Blame Saturday's Warrior, "But Jimmy, you promised!")

[EmmaLee]

Has the Church modified its stance on preventing conception ? It seems to have modified its stance on other issues.

Sort of. They supplied an escape clause, so to speak, in the Holy Handbook in which they say the decision for a couple as to the number of children they have is between them and the Lord. Anyone who knows the doctrines of the Church would see this in the same light as a parent telling a child that they can pet a growling pit bull if that is their choice, it is up to them. If the couple prays and tries to stay tuned to the Spirit then we can assume what most will receive as inspiration.

However, the advice might also get the Church off the hook in case someone who has health problems might wish to sue because they continued to have kids, and problems resulted. So legally, saying the decision is the couple's gets rid of any sort of chance someone could sue.

The decision of when and how many children to have has always been up to the husband, wife, and the Lord - from Adam to now. The Church has never told anyone how many children they should have, or when, thank God. Why do so many members of the Church demand to be commanded in all things?? It's utterly bizarre to me that a couple would even care what the Church thinks on this subject - are they incapable of getting personal revelation for themselves and their family? Apparently. The Church isn't getting pregnant - the Church isn't vomiting for 9 months - the Church isn't giving birth - the Church isn't paying for hospital bills and to raise the children for 18+ years (unless you're on government welfare because you have more kids than you can pay for, and then they might help out). Why do so many members rely on the Church to make all their decisions for them? How pathetic and slothful of a people have we become when couples have to ask an organized religion how many kids they should have. Lord, come quickly.

[simpleton]

We had nine kids because we were hesitant to tell Heavenly Father that the next spirit that he wished to send into our home would be an inconvenience and therefore unwelcome. Was I a fool to think in such a way?

(Blame Saturday's Warrior, "But Jimmy, you promised!")

No... you are blessed and shall be blessed even more , I believe, in the next life...

[Michelle]

Everyone realizes that reliable birth control (the pill) has only been available for less than 60 years, right?

The first generation got us started, the second generation has almost done us in. There probably won't be many of the third generation left to pass on anything.

Adam and Eve and everybody else up until 60 years ago had the children they had because they had to if they had sex.

(Of course, their were unreliable forms of birth control, including abortion and infanticide, for millennia, but that was dangerous for the mother as well as the infant.)

[Fiannan]

Everyone realizes that reliable birth control (the pill) has only been available for less than 60 years, right?

The first generation got us started, the second generation has almost done us in. There probably won't be many of the third generation left to pass on anything.

Adam and Eve and everybody else up until 60 years ago had the children they had because they had to if they had sex.

(Of course, their were unreliable forms of birth control, including abortion and infanticide, for millennia, but that was dangerous for the mother as well as the infant.)

Of course there have been means to not have kids, thus the prophets would not have called family limitation a grave sin.

The shape of the Valentines heart is actually based on a seed Roman women used to stop pregnancy when their husbands were away on trips or war and they were cheating on him. Nothing new.

Your observation about eventual decimation of a population is correct and one can look up the leaked video where the highest LDS leaders conferred on the fact the Church was going to soon not be an intergenerational institution.


Anyone who was an adult in the 1980s remembers when leaders spoke of how huge we would be in the 21st Century based on birthrates and missionary work. They ain't saying it no more, are they?

[tdj]

Nice way of excluding a bunch of us. The way the questions are written excludes anybody from answering if they aren't actively able to use birth control.

I know, I couldn't answer it at all because absolutely none of it applied to us. We don't use birth control simply because we haven't really NEEDED too. I'd like to have one more kid, but for some reason, we've been having some fertility problems that have gotten worse over the years.

[tdj]

When I lived in Utah in the late 1960s, any means of preventing conception was said by local Church authorities to be a sin.

Yeah, well, that's easy to say when you're not the one footing the bills.

[tdj]

When I lived in Utah in the late 1960s, any means of preventing conception was said by local Church authorities to be a sin.

Well, to entertain the idea of eliminating our offspring is where sin is conceived. And sin has been conceived and watered and now it flourishes to the point of that we murder our offspring. But lets actually call the pill for what it really is, the " abortion pill", or the "aborticide pill". And to live our life by " the church handbook" definitely will not lead us to the celestial kingdom.

There are so many forms of birth control out there these days that if you don't want a pill that will basically be considered an abortion inducer, then you can get the type that simply stops fertilization. That's a HUGE difference as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't feel comfortable with birth control that eliminated the life of a fertilized egg. But there are other reasons for taking birth control. You'd be surprised how many women and young girls take it just so they can have manageable periods. So many women have debilitating cramps every month. They can't even get out of bed, walk, and often vomit from the pain. And they have bleeding that is so atrocious they become anemic. A few occasions, I've heard of them needing transfusions, though that last part is a bit rare.

But I'm certain the church leaders would not begrudge a woman needing birth control for that. I was one of those young women in my youth that had debilitating cycles, but was lucky enough to have them get much better after I had my first born. It was like night and day. But not other women are that fortunate. For some, childbirth CREATES their reproductive problems.

[simpleton]

To stop the increase of our species, to thwart the purposes of God. And as in all things, we will be rewarded accordingly, be it on the one hand or the other.....
"Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth", that was pretty much the first great commandment. And ever since then, the devil has inspired man to thwart that commandment as much as possible. It has been going on since the beginning, and it continues on today. All of these demonic ways and means and methods of checking the increase of our offspring, whatever they be, are from hell itself....

[LadyT]

Have you ever lost a baby or child? Have you held your lifeless child?

YOU have no idea the pain of losing one and the fear of losing another one until you have been there. It's a pain unlike anything. Words cannot describe.