LDS Freedom Forum

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 5th, 2019, 7:51 am These Church members, in their books and essay, are making a case for same-sex relationships and marriage as doctrinal.

https://www.stumblingblocksandstepping- ... AOBunHMLFs

https://www.amazon.com/Gay-Rights-Mormo ... 1607816636

https://bycommonconsent.com/2017/03/19/ ... -an-essay/

Col. Flagg wrote: ↑March 5th, 2019, 5:54 pm This is a list of potential changes that may be forthcoming, possibly as early as April GC according to sources with contacts at the COB - thought I'd post it for discussion...

24. There are now concrete discussions occurring asking how we move towards more inclusivity towards LGBTQ members.

topcat wrote: ↑April 5th, 2019, 7:57 am

thisisspartaaa wrote: ↑April 4th, 2019, 6:52 pm

Col. Flagg wrote: ↑April 4th, 2019, 9:29 am

thisisspartaaa wrote: ↑April 4th, 2019, 5:51 am

Except you didn't cite the source originally, which was disingenuous and a testament to your character and motive on these boards.

And Bill did more than just "share" what has been discovered. His website is proof of attempting to tear down individuals and the institution - direct and open opposition. Approach is everything and more than what you describe above.

I've been a member of this forum for 13 years... how about you? I think most know my character and so you can save the insults which reveals your own true character. Bill became alarmed and disturbed over what he had learned regarding the truth about church history and was upset and even irate over the level of deception employed by the church in order to maintain and gain membership. I'm pretty upset about it myself and when you feel betrayed and deceived by an institution you've devoted your entire life to, it does something to you. If you prefer to remain ignorant to many of the troubling and dare I say highly disturbing aspects of church history, don't start reading the essays the church has quietly buried on its website which it has said nothing about to the general membership or the dozens of other shorter essays it has penned as well which used to be 'anti-Mormon' lit just a few years ago.

Tenure on an anonymous online forum doesn't mean anything. Many of your posts are disingenuous. For anyone wanting to look into this, here is the transcript provided by Bill on his disciplinary meeting:

https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/201 ... recording/

The irony here is it is evidence of his personal attacks and juvenile behavior towards the General Authorities. For example, posting a picture of a GA with a liar stamp across the head (but Col. Flagg will tell you that he was excommunicated for "delving into controversial, disturbing and even truthful aspects of church history"). Here's the link:

https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/201 ... s-on-fire/

Disciplinary charges were this:

1) Opposition to the Church and its leaders
2) Targeting the most simple and sublime truths of the gospel
3) Preaching against the blessings of the Church

To be blunt, the guy is a jerk in his approach and his tactics and juvenile behavior got him ex'd. It's VERY clear this man has absolutely no interest in an honest, intellectual conversation and is more interested in tearing down an institution.

Edit: One quick afterthought. I do appreciate Bill Reel in one thing. At least he has made his persona known to the world. The worst thing are the "Bill Reels" masquerading behind anonymous online identities who deliberately try to tear down the church while retaining their positions inside the church. Unfortunately LDS Freedom Forum has become a haven and platform for these individuals to spread their "truth".

Abinadi used disguise at some point in his ministry.

Though I do believe that shielding oneself behind anonymity isn't a permanent solution.

The bigger question is: why do the members feel the need to be anonymous to express their questions and concerns? The answer is that the church abuses members by way of censorship or disciplinary action including excommunication. So members choose to avoid the abuse by going anonymous.

Radio Free Mormon still chooses anonymity. He and Bill Reel do many podcasts together. I have listened to a few of them, and many more solo RFM podcasts at www.radiofreemormon.com.

There is definitely some good insight there, but both of those men appear to have liberal or progressive tendencies, and therefore have a chip missing, if you will, in their discernment of right and wrong. But they get a lot of stuff right, and are articulate and entertaining, esp RFM.

I do not see anything wrong with "tearing down an institution," meaning, expose the lies and corruption. Indeed, we are commanded to do so!!

Do institutions save? No they don't. Daniel 2 explains what the Truth does to institutions.

Institutions only apostatize from the truth, so there is a need for them to be brought low.

And I would restate your last sentence as follows:

Fortunately LDS Freedom Forum has become a haven and platform for these individuals to spread Truth.

What truth are you referring to that doesn't qualify as "truth", in your mind?

thisisspartaaa wrote: ↑April 6th, 2019, 7:59 am

topcat wrote: ↑April 5th, 2019, 7:57 am

thisisspartaaa wrote: ↑April 4th, 2019, 6:52 pm

Col. Flagg wrote: ↑April 4th, 2019, 9:29 am

I've been a member of this forum for 13 years... how about you? I think most know my character and so you can save the insults which reveals your own true character. Bill became alarmed and disturbed over what he had learned regarding the truth about church history and was upset and even irate over the level of deception employed by the church in order to maintain and gain membership. I'm pretty upset about it myself and when you feel betrayed and deceived by an institution you've devoted your entire life to, it does something to you. If you prefer to remain ignorant to many of the troubling and dare I say highly disturbing aspects of church history, don't start reading the essays the church has quietly buried on its website which it has said nothing about to the general membership or the dozens of other shorter essays it has penned as well which used to be 'anti-Mormon' lit just a few years ago.

Tenure on an anonymous online forum doesn't mean anything. Many of your posts are disingenuous. For anyone wanting to look into this, here is the transcript provided by Bill on his disciplinary meeting:

https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/201 ... recording/

The irony here is it is evidence of his personal attacks and juvenile behavior towards the General Authorities. For example, posting a picture of a GA with a liar stamp across the head (but Col. Flagg will tell you that he was excommunicated for "delving into controversial, disturbing and even truthful aspects of church history"). Here's the link:

https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/201 ... s-on-fire/

Disciplinary charges were this:

1) Opposition to the Church and its leaders
2) Targeting the most simple and sublime truths of the gospel
3) Preaching against the blessings of the Church

To be blunt, the guy is a jerk in his approach and his tactics and juvenile behavior got him ex'd. It's VERY clear this man has absolutely no interest in an honest, intellectual conversation and is more interested in tearing down an institution.

Edit: One quick afterthought. I do appreciate Bill Reel in one thing. At least he has made his persona known to the world. The worst thing are the "Bill Reels" masquerading behind anonymous online identities who deliberately try to tear down the church while retaining their positions inside the church. Unfortunately LDS Freedom Forum has become a haven and platform for these individuals to spread their "truth".

Abinadi used disguise at some point in his ministry.

Though I do believe that shielding oneself behind anonymity isn't a permanent solution.

The bigger question is: why do the members feel the need to be anonymous to express their questions and concerns? The answer is that the church abuses members by way of censorship or disciplinary action including excommunication. So members choose to avoid the abuse by going anonymous.

Radio Free Mormon still chooses anonymity. He and Bill Reel do many podcasts together. I have listened to a few of them, and many more solo RFM podcasts at www.radiofreemormon.com.

There is definitely some good insight there, but both of those men appear to have liberal or progressive tendencies, and therefore have a chip missing, if you will, in their discernment of right and wrong. But they get a lot of stuff right, and are articulate and entertaining, esp RFM.

I do not see anything wrong with "tearing down an institution," meaning, expose the lies and corruption. Indeed, we are commanded to do so!!

Do institutions save? No they don't. Daniel 2 explains what the Truth does to institutions.

Institutions only apostatize from the truth, so there is a need for them to be brought low.

And I would restate your last sentence as follows:

Fortunately LDS Freedom Forum has become a haven and platform for these individuals to spread Truth.

What truth are you referring to that doesn't qualify as "truth", in your mind?

Truth is up to the individual to discern. I think this board does more harm than good in my opinion. The irony is that a "freedom" board is actually working to enslave.

JohnnyL wrote: ↑April 7th, 2019, 4:10 pm Well, THAT was a bust! No apostate apostle, no WoW reform, no... None of those potential changes realized.

dezNatDefender wrote: ↑April 7th, 2019, 4:28 pm

JohnnyL wrote: ↑April 7th, 2019, 4:10 pm Well, THAT was a bust! No apostate apostle, no WoW reform, no... None of those potential changes realized.

Maybe the rumor mill was going strong to get people to tune into what the real message is supposed to be about, which is NOT about the rumor mill.