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This thread is to log my experiences with the third book of Enoch - please feel free to join the discussion, and I will be happy to entertain any posts in the spirit of civility.

I recently had an experience (maybe 2 weeks ago) where I woke up in the middle of the night groggily determined to find a way to remember the name "Barakiel" - I knew I would likely forget if I didn't write it down somehow. I grabbed my phone and opened a tab and searched for Barakiel and left that open on my screen. The next day I had forgotten about the experience until discussing spiritual matters with my wife when the memory came back to me. I grabbed my phone and there it was - Barakiel.

So, I started to do some research - found some information on wikipedia and other sites. There a lot of sites out there that purport to know the function of angels without any sources. I discovered the angel name is mentioned as one of the seven archangels in the Third Book of Enoch.

I have already written many posts on LDSFF and several articles regarding the First Book of Enoch (Ethiopian Book of Enoch) as chapters 39 - 70 speak of the "Elect One" and add an important witness to the identity of the Rod of Jesse, or the Davidic Servant. I had no interest in reading 3 Enoch at the present time until I had this experience. I still have no idea why I so urgently needed to write down the name, "Barakiel." Well, I have some idea now, which is what this thread is all about.

I have been using my copy of "The Books of Enoch" from Amazon (highly recommended) to study 1 Enoch, though I had not read much beyond. I learned that 3 Enoch was a rabbinical work, which sort of muted my desire to read it. However, as I discovered "Barakiel" was an angel mentioned in 3 Enoch, I started to read and skim through the book, looking for his name.

I found his name in a paragraph of angel names and dominions given along with another name that immediately caught my eye. About 2 years ago, my wife woke up in the middle of the night and saw and angel standing by the side of our bed. I say, Angel because he had a message which I won't reveal here. However, he did identify himself as Ophanniel. Though I had done some research on the name back then, perhaps the spelling I had assumed at the time kept pointing me to an order of angel called the "Ophanim" rather than to the angel of a similar name.

What are the chances that two angel names we both heard in the middle of the night are found in the same paragraph of the Book of Enoch? As I started to dig deeper, I asked, "well, what is the paragraph all about?" Wouldn't you know it, this paragraph that is listing angel names and roles is within chapter 14 that is about none other than the Angel of the Lord who receives his first crown of glory - sound familiar? That's right, THE angel of the Lord is revealing to the R. Ishmael, who is the Rabbi who received the revelation of 3 Enoch, the experience he (the angel) had when he received his crown of glory and the reaction of all the angels who are then named. Though I highly recommend purchasing "The Books of Enoch" I linked above, here is the full text of all the books. If you search for the word "Ophanniel" (two ns) you'll find the paragraph in question.

Ophanniel is the angel whose dominion is the Moon. Barakiel is the angel of the second heaven, those these dominions are listed later. As I scanned through 3 Enoch, I found many, many gems and that's just after a very quick read! Here are some of those gems that confirm my own studies and personal revelation.

First of all, "Metatron" is the name of the Angel of the Lord in this Book who is the one speaking / revealing just as the unnamed Angel of the Lord in the Old Testament is the "Mouth of YHWH" who speaks on behalf of the Lord. There is some interesting insights on this in 3 Enoch. So, Metatron is identified as Angel of the Lord identified as the one who rescues Israel from Egypt (which is the identity the Lord uses to awaken the mortal Davidic Servant in Isaiah 51:9-10.)

In researching the name Metatron, I found that others have equated Metatron to the Egyptian God Horus! Horus - Abraham 3, and the Davidic Servant is the most recent article I just wrote!

Here is the reference, and the relevant portion of the quote:

M. Friedländer, on the other hand, takes Meṭaṭron to be, both in name and in nature, none other than Horus, the "frontier guardian" and "surveyor of the frontier" of the early Gnostics. Source

In an article entitled, "The Etymology of the Name 'Metatron,'" the author Andrei A. Orlov explores the source of the name (etymology) of Metatron which is rather mysterious - what a surprise. The various meanings he derives is SUPER interesting.

The possible meanings / source of the name "Metatron" (italics mine)

1. may be from )r+m or "Keeper of the watch" or "To guard, to protect"
2. may be derived from the greek words meta& and qro&noj - can be translated as "one who serves behind the throne" or "one who occupies the throne next to the throne of glory"
3. "co-occupant of the divine throne"
4. may be derived from the Persian God Mithras (I have zero knowledge on this one)
5. May be from the latin "Metator" which means a leader, a guide, a measurer, or a messenger (also similar to greek word mitator - forerunner.)
6. May be derived from the greek word me&tron, “a measure.”
7. may be connected with the function of this angel as the bearer of God’s name. In Metatron’s lore this principal angel is often named as the “lesser YHWH,” that is, the lesser manifestation of the divine Name. Dan takes the “him” in Exodus 23:21, “because my name is within him,” as referring to Metatron,
8. May be derived from Hebrew word "to take" in reference to Enoch's being translated and may mean "The translated one"
9. May have no etymology

All of that etymology sure is synchronistic - and extremely coincidental. For # 1, think of the role of the Angel of the Lord in the Exodus. #7 is especially noteworthy. In fact, 3 Enoch includes a chapter that reveals the "seventy names of Metatron." The first name listed is ... wait for it...

YEHOEL

I wrote an article all about The Name of the Angel of the Lord that is given in "The Apocalypse of Abraham" regarding the Angel who prepares Abraham for his ministry and is very clearly the same angel who stopped the sacrifice of Isaac who speaks to Abraham regarding his own (the angel's own) dominion and authority. The name spellings are all a bit different in English but point to the same Hebrew word which is basically the two root words for "Elijah" in reverse. From ELiYAHU to YAHUEL. In the Apocalypse of Abraham YAHUEL is spelled IAHOEL and JAHOEL iirc.

Here is a list of "coincidences" I've found in 3 Enoch that reaffirms my witness that the Angel of the Lord is the Davidic Servant and The Holy Ghost. I'm already running long in this introduction post, so I will likely expound upon these below points as time permits.

Witnesses from 3 Enoch

• Metatron is the Angel of the Lord who led the children of Israel in the Exodus
• The Ineffable name is in him (Both The Apocalypse of Abraham & Exodus 23:21 confirm)
• The first of seventy names of Metatron is "Yehoel"
• Metatron is receiving his first crown
• The Lord refers to Metatron as "youth"
• Seven heavens & seven princes
• Hierarchy of dominion confirmed. Prince of first heaven bows to the second. Second bows to third, etc. etc. (one of the best reads in 3 Enoch so far)
• Seven higher "halls" parallel the seven heavens in number but are higher in dominion / authority (confirms what I wrote about here. Search for "seven elohim")
• Metatron is sitting upon a throne rather than "his throne" ala Revealtion
• Enoch is equated to the Angel of the Lord
• The Seraphim, and the Seraphim's anthem confirmed from whence Metatron comes

Admittedly, Enoch being Metatron doesn't fully jive with my belief and experience thus far. However, I have equated Enoch's dominion to that of the Davidic Servant, the former being the archangel aligned to level six, or the seraphim and the latter being the presiding angel from the order of Seraphim. The works of Enoch will be reflected in the Davidic Servant who builds the city of ZION in the end times where Enoch & his city will meet them (Moses 7:63.) I've written about the parallel dominions of Enoch and the Davidic Servant here and here.

From 1 Enoch (Ethiopian)

Enoch 39:6 And in that place my eyes saw the Elect One of righteousness and of faith,
7 And I saw his dwelling-place under the wings of the Lord of spirits.
8 And righteousness shall prevail in his days, and the righteous and elect shall be innumerable and will be before Him for ever and ever.
9 And all the righteous and elect ones before Him shall be as bright as fiery lights (Seraphim means fiery serpents), and their mouth shall be full of blessing (Holy, Holy, Holy - see verse 14 below and compare to Isaiah 6), and their lips shall praise the name of the Lord of spirits. Righteousness and truth before Him shall never fail. (There is that key word "righteousness again and again and again etc.)
10 There I wished to dwell, and my spirit longed for that dwellingplace; and thus it was decided and my portion was assigned and established by the Lord of spirits.
...
14 Those who do not sleep bless you, they stand before your glory and bless, praise, and exalt you, saying: "Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of spirits: He fills the earth with spirits."'


So Enoch beholds the Seraphim - the class of angel that aligns to the priests, level 6, or the 6th promise of overcoming in Revelation, and he longs to be with them and the Lord assigns Enoch to them by the Lord of Spirits. What a "coincidence."

So Enoch being in place of the Davidic Servant and Vice Versa fits. I have held that the Davidic Servant is sitting upon the throne, tasting of the powers of the world to come. Earning his right to become and unconditional inheritor by doing the works of the unconditional inheritors. This truth is "coincidentally" reflected in the 2nd and 3rd etymologies of the name Metatron listed above. I've used the third facsimile to illustrate this heavenly principle many times.



Fig. 1. Abraham sitting upon Pharaoh’s throne, by the politeness of the king, with a crown upon his head, representing the Priesthood, as emblematical of the grand Presidency in Heaven; with the scepter of justice and judgment in his hand.

This heavenly principle is reflected in 3 Enoch, the Angel of the Lord Metatron who is affectionately called "Youth" by Jehovah Himself. My heart aches a bit for those who do not believe the Holy Ghost is a he. I testify to you he indeed is a he, and accepting this new prince of Israel may just be what President Nelson meant by surviving spiritually.

EDIT:

For those who are new to my articles or discoveries regarding the Davidic Servant, below is a link to my blog. You will find the articles on the Davidic Servant on the left, bottom-half of the navigation bar (one your smartphone, you'll need to tap the three lines at the top-left.)

http://lordoftheseraphim.blogspot.com

Below is a thread I created on "The Davidic Servant is the Holy Ghost" wherein the discovery is made that the Angel of the Lord of the Old Testament is this same man.

/viewtopic.php?t=48060

The Holy Ghost is a he.

I'm not going to explain myself, but I DO believe that Enoch = Metatron = Thoth = Hermes Trismegistus.

Original_Intent wrote: ↑March 3rd, 2019, 4:24 pm I'm not going to explain myself, but I DO believe that Enoch = Metatron = Thoth = Hermes Trismegistus.

Well 3 Enoch basically comes out and says Metatron is Enoch. I personally believe this is either a mistranslation over time or some sort of encoding to hide the identity of the, well, hidden servant. The identity is hidden after all, which is partly why I don't believe it's Enoch! Thanks for your comment!

If you ever feel like explaining more, I'd love to hear you out. I don't know much about thoth other than he's Egyptian, but I found it interesting another scholar equated Metatron to Horus!

I got a feeling I’m going to regret asking but can someone here give a SHORT explanation of the whole Davadic Servant thing?

gkearney wrote: ↑March 3rd, 2019, 4:32 pm I got a feeling I’m going to regret asking but can someone here give a SHORT explanation of the whole Davadic Servant thing?

I finally wrote an article to serve that purpose here:

https://lordoftheseraphim.blogspot.com/ ... rvant.html

In a nut shell, he's the servant of the "servant songs" of Isaiah, and the David of Ezekiel 37 who will be crowned a prince of Israel at the millennium. Joseph Smith prophecied of a future King David who would inherit the throne and kingdom of Israel that the original King David lost, which speaks of a spiritual dominion rather than just a terrestrial (earth not middle kingdom) dominion.

Not everyone who believes in the Davidic Servant believes he's as important character in the heavenly hiearchy as I do - I believe he is the "comforter" of John 14-16 (aka Holy Ghost) as well as the Angel of the Lord who stopped Isaac's sacrifice and interfaced with Moses in the Exodus. That's about as tightly as I can compact a general sense of the Davidic Servant along with my personal beliefs.

D&C 103:19 Therefore, let not your hearts faint, for I say not unto you as I said unto your fathers: Mine angel shall go up before you, but not my presence.

20 But I say unto you: Mine angels shall go up before you, and also my presence, and in time ye shall possess the goodly land.


Exodus 23:20 ¶ Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.

21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.

22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.

23 For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.


Apocalypse of Abraham: And while I was still face down on the ground, I heard the voice speaking, "Go, Iaoel (YEHOEL / JAHOEL) of the same name, through the meditation of my ineffable name, consecrate this man for me and strengthen him against his trembling."

I keep adding to this post though you asked for a concise explanation. I can't help myself.

gkearney wrote: ↑March 3rd, 2019, 4:32 pm I got a feeling I’m going to regret asking but can someone here give a SHORT explanation of the whole Davadic Servant thing?

In a walnut shell... JS prophesied that the kingdom and throne was taken from King David, of old and would be given to a person known as David that would come in the last days. Most believe it is the Root, as the Rod is JS and the Trunk or Stem is the Messiah D&C 113.

I believe that the DS is Elijah, the forerunner of the Messiah, who was also John the Baptist. I have taught this for 20 years, and the Angel name given is Sariel (though it is spelled many different ways in different languages). This is not the One Mighty and Strong, nor the Branch Prophet.

All Holy Ghost's are male, they serve as such when (Fourth Estate Beings) they are out of their Temporal Bodies, they have been born with here. This calling is shared by many... (millions). Joseph Smith was the one who stood as the perfected temporal example, just as Adam stood as the Father, and the Messiah as the Son. They have their counterparts in the heaven's, El (Eloheim) the Father, the Great Yahovah/Yahweh the Son, and Michael, the Holy Spirit.

But from here, as you can see, one can find many differing voices, that lead one to think he is everything or nothing. Yes, he will be the one "Like unto Moses". But I can give you a half dozen people who will witness that it will be a Joseph, Son of Joseph (like JS was, that will come, or it will be JS). It comes down to revelation... and everyone seem to be getting something different. I advise everyone, wait for the true signs of heaven first, and except no wannabees!

The Second Rebellion is CLOSE, even at our door! When the boys from the mountains shall come forth to save the US Constitution, though it hangs by a hair/thread... be prepared and found numbered among them! Repent with all your hearts and have faith! G_d has PROMISED that He will not take the Gentiles into bondage, but will wipe them off the land, and gather Yisrael and build ZION! It is about to come forth... do you not see and discern (understand) the Signs of the Times?

Alaris wrote: ↑March 3rd, 2019, 4:36 pm

gkearney wrote: ↑March 3rd, 2019, 4:32 pm I got a feeling I’m going to regret asking but can someone here give a SHORT explanation of the whole Davadic Servant thing?

I finally wrote an article to serve that purpose here:

https://lordoftheseraphim.blogspot.com/ ... rvant.html

In a nut shell, he's the servant of the "servant songs" of Isaiah, and the David of Ezekiel 37 who will be crowned a prince of Israel at the millennium. Joseph Smith prophecied of a future King David who would inherit the throne and kingdom of Israel that the original King David lost, which speaks of a spiritual dominion rather than just a terrestrial (earth not middle kingdom) dominion.

Not everyone who believes in the Davidic Servant believes he's as important character in the heavenly hiearchy as I do - I believe he is the "comforter" of John 14-16 (aka Holy Ghost) as well as the Angel of the Lord who stopped Isaac's sacrifice and interfaced with Moses in the Exodus. That's about as tightly as I can compact a general sense of the Davidic Servant along with my personal beliefs.

D&C 103:19 Therefore, let not your hearts faint, for I say not unto you as I said unto your fathers: Mine angel shall go up before you, but not my presence.

20 But I say unto you: Mine angels shall go up before you, and also my presence, and in time ye shall possess the goodly land.


Exodus 23:20 ¶ Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.

21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.

22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.

23 For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.


Apocalypse of Abraham: And while I was still face down on the ground, I heard the voice speaking, "Go, Iaoel (YEHOEL / JAHOEL) of the same name, through the meditation of my ineffable name, consecrate this man for me and strengthen him against his trembling."

I keep adding to this post though you asked for a concise explanation. I can't help myself.

You know, my kids say the same thing sometimes when they do something I specifically asked them not to do.

“Sorry mommy, I just couldn’t help it, I had to get into the cookies...”



You know I’m playing.

Alaris wrote: ↑March 3rd, 2019, 4:05 pm This thread is to log my experiences with the third book of Enoch - please feel free to join the discussion, and I will be happy to entertain any posts in the spirit of civility.

I recently had an experience (maybe 2 weeks ago) where I woke up in the middle of the night groggily determined to find a way to remember the name "Barakiel" - I knew I would likely forget if I didn't write it down somehow. I grabbed my phone and opened a tab and searched for Barakiel and left that open on my screen. The next day I had forgotten about the experience until discussing spiritual matters with my wife when the memory came back to me. I grabbed my phone and there it was - Barakiel.

So, I started to do some research - found some information on wikipedia and other sites. There a lot of sites out there that purport to know the function of angels without any sources. I discovered the angel name is mentioned as one of the seven archangels in the Third Book of Enoch.

I have already written many posts on LDSFF and several articles regarding the First Book of Enoch (Ethiopian Book of Enoch) as chapters 39 - 70 speak of the "Elect One" and add an important witness to the identity of the Rod of Jesse, or the Davidic Servant. I had no interest in reading 3 Enoch at the present time until I had this experience. I still have no idea why I so urgently needed to write down the name, "Barakiel." Well, I have some idea now, which is what this thread is all about.

I have been using my copy of "The Books of Enoch" from Amazon (highly recommended) to study 1 Enoch, though I had not read much beyond. I learned that 3 Enoch was a rabbinical work, which sort of muted my desire to read it. However, as I discovered "Barakiel" was an angel mentioned in 3 Enoch, I started to read and skim through the book, looking for his name.

I found his name in a paragraph of angel names and dominions given along with another name that immediately caught my eye. About 2 years ago, my wife woke up in the middle of the night and saw and angel standing by the side of our bed. I say, Angel because he had a message which I won't reveal here. However, he did identify himself as Ophanniel. Though I had done some research on the name back then, perhaps the spelling I had assumed at the time kept pointing me to an order of angel called the "Ophanim" rather than to the angel of a similar name.

What are the chances that two angel names we both heard in the middle of the night are found in the same paragraph of the Book of Enoch? As I started to dig deeper, I asked, "well, what is the paragraph all about?" Wouldn't you know it, this paragraph that is listing angel names and roles is within chapter 14 that is about none other than the Angel of the Lord who receives his first crown of glory - sound familiar? That's right, THE angel of the Lord is revealing to the R. Ishmael, who is the Rabbi who received the revelation of 3 Enoch, the experience he (the angel) had when he received his crown of glory and the reaction of all the angels who are then named. Though I highly recommend purchasing "The Books of Enoch" I linked above, here is the full text of all the books. If you search for the word "Ophanniel" (two ns) you'll find the paragraph in question.

Ophanniel is the angel whose dominion is the Moon. Barakiel is the angel of the second heaven, those these dominions are listed later. As I scanned through 3 Enoch, I found many, many gems and that's just after a very quick read! Here are some of those gems that confirm my own studies and personal revelation.

First of all, "Metatron" is the name of the Angel of the Lord in this Book who is the one speaking / revealing just as the unnamed Angel of the Lord in the Old Testament is the "Mouth of YHWH" who speaks on behalf of the Lord. There is some interesting insights on this in 3 Enoch. So, Metatron is identified as Angel of the Lord identified as the one who rescues Israel from Egypt (which is the identity the Lord uses to awaken the mortal Davidic Servant in Isaiah 51:9-10.)

In researching the name Metatron, I found that others have equated Metatron to the Egyptian God Horus! Horus - Abraham 3, and the Davidic Servant is the most recent article I just wrote!

Here is the reference, and the relevant portion of the quote:

M. Friedländer, on the other hand, takes Meṭaṭron to be, both in name and in nature, none other than Horus, the "frontier guardian" and "surveyor of the frontier" of the early Gnostics. Source

In an article entitled, "[urlhttps://www.marquette.edu/maqom/metatronname.html]The Etymology of the Name 'Metatron[/url],'" the author Andrei A. Orlov explores the source of the name (etymology) of Metatron which is rather mysterious - what a surprise. The various meanings he derives is SUPER interesting.

The possible meanings / source of the name "Metatron" (italics mine)

1. may be from )r+m or "Keeper of the watch" or "To guard, to protect"
2. may be derived from the greek words meta& and qro&noj - can be translated as "one who serves behind the throne" or "one who occupies the throne next to the throne of glory"
3. "co-occupant of the divine throne"
4. may be derived from the Persian God Mithras (I have zero knowledge on this one)
5. May be from the latin "Metator" which means a leader, a guide, a measurer, or a messenger (also similar to greek word mitator - forerunner.)
6. May be derived from the greek word me&tron, “a measure.”
7. may be connected with the function of this angel as the bearer of God’s name. In Metatron’s lore this principal angel is often named as the “lesser YHWH,” that is, the lesser manifestation of the divine Name. Dan takes the “him” in Exodus 23:21, “because my name is within him,” as referring to Metatron,
8. May be derived from Hebrew word "to take" in reference to Enoch's being translated and may mean "The translated one"
9. May have no etymology

All of that etymology sure is synchronistic - and extremely coincidental. For # 1, think of the role of the Angel of the Lord in the Exodus. #7 is especially noteworthy. In fact, 3 Enoch includes a chapter that reveals the "seventy names of Metatron." The first name listed is ... wait for it...

YEHOEL

I wrote an article all about The Name of the Angel of the Lord that is given in "The Apocalypse of Abraham" regarding the Angel who prepares Abraham for his ministry and is very clearly the same angel who stopped the sacrifice of Isaac who speaks to Abraham regarding his own (the angel's own) dominion and authority. The name spellings are all a bit different in English but point to the same Hebrew word which is basically the two root words for "Elijah" in reverse. From ELiYAHU to YAHUEL. In the Apocalypse of Abraham YAHUEL is spelled IAHOEL and JAHOEL iirc.

Here is a list of "coincidences" I've found in 3 Enoch that reaffirms my witness that the Angel of the Lord is the Davidic Servant and The Holy Ghost. I'm already running long in this introduction post, so I will likely expound upon these below points as time permits.

Witnesses from 3 Enoch

• Metatron is the Angel of the Lord who led the children of Israel in the Exodus
• The Ineffable name is in him (Both The Apocalypse of Abraham & Exodus 23:21 confirm)
• The first of seventy names of Metatron is "Yehoel"
• Metatron is receiving his first crown
• The Lord refers to Metatron as "youth"
• Seven heavens & seven princes
• Hierarchy of dominion confirmed. Prince of first heaven bows to the second. Second bows to third, etc. etc. (one of the best reads in 3 Enoch so far)
• Seven higher "halls" parallel the seven heavens in number but are higher in dominion / authority (confirms what I wrote about here. Search for "seven elohim")
• Metatron is sitting upon a throne rather than "his throne" ala Revealtion
• Enoch is equated to the Angel of the Lord
• The Seraphim, and the Seraphim's anthem confirmed from whence Metatron comes

Admittedly, Enoch being Metatron doesn't fully jive with my belief and experience thus far. However, I have equated Enoch's dominion to that of the Davidic Servant, the former being the archangel aligned to level six, or the seraphim and the latter being the presiding angel from the order of Seraphim. The works of Enoch will be reflected in the Davidic Servant who builds the city of ZION in the end times where Enoch & his city will meet them (Moses 7:63.) I've written about the parallel dominions of Enoch and the Davidic Servant here and here.

From 1 Enoch (Ethiopian)

Enoch 39:6 And in that place my eyes saw the Elect One of righteousness and of faith,
7 And I saw his dwelling-place under the wings of the Lord of spirits.
8 And righteousness shall prevail in his days, and the righteous and elect shall be innumerable and will be before Him for ever and ever.
9 And all the righteous and elect ones before Him shall be as bright as fiery lights (Seraphim means fiery serpents), and their mouth shall be full of blessing (Holy, Holy, Holy - see verse 14 below and compare to Isaiah 6), and their lips shall praise the name of the Lord of spirits. Righteousness and truth before Him shall never fail. (There is that key word "righteousness again and again and again etc.)
10 There I wished to dwell, and my spirit longed for that dwellingplace; and thus it was decided and my portion was assigned and established by the Lord of spirits.
...
14 Those who do not sleep bless you, they stand before your glory and bless, praise, and exalt you, saying: "Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of spirits: He fills the earth with spirits."'


So Enoch beholds the Seraphim - the class of angel that aligns to the priests, level 6, or the 6th promise of overcoming in Revelation, and he longs to be with them and the Lord assigns Enoch to them by the Lord of Spirits. What a "coincidence."

So Enoch being in place of the Davidic Servant and Vice Versa fits. I have held that the Davidic Servant is sitting upon the throne, tasting of the powers of the world to come. Earning his right to become and unconditional inheritor by doing the works of the unconditional inheritors. This truth is "coincidentally" reflected in the 2nd and 3rd etymologies of the name Metatron listed above. I've used the third facsimile to illustrate this heavenly principle many times.



Fig. 1. Abraham sitting upon Pharaoh’s throne, by the politeness of the king, with a crown upon his head, representing the Priesthood, as emblematical of the grand Presidency in Heaven; with the scepter of justice and judgment in his hand.

This heavenly principle is reflected in 3 Enoch, the Angel of the Lord Metatron who is affectionately called "Youth" by Jehovah Himself. My heart aches a bit for those who do not believe the Holy Ghost is a he. I testify to you he indeed is a he, and accepting this new prince of Israel may just be what President Nelson meant by surviving spiritually. Get God.

On a more serious note, I’m excited to see where this line of study takes you, considering how it began.

Thanks for sharing!

Davka wrote: ↑March 3rd, 2019, 5:41 pm

Alaris wrote: ↑March 3rd, 2019, 4:36 pm

gkearney wrote: ↑March 3rd, 2019, 4:32 pm I got a feeling I’m going to regret asking but can someone here give a SHORT explanation of the whole Davadic Servant thing?

I finally wrote an article to serve that purpose here:

https://lordoftheseraphim.blogspot.com/ ... rvant.html

In a nut shell, he's the servant of the "servant songs" of Isaiah, and the David of Ezekiel 37 who will be crowned a prince of Israel at the millennium. Joseph Smith prophecied of a future King David who would inherit the throne and kingdom of Israel that the original King David lost, which speaks of a spiritual dominion rather than just a terrestrial (earth not middle kingdom) dominion.

Not everyone who believes in the Davidic Servant believes he's as important character in the heavenly hiearchy as I do - I believe he is the "comforter" of John 14-16 (aka Holy Ghost) as well as the Angel of the Lord who stopped Isaac's sacrifice and interfaced with Moses in the Exodus. That's about as tightly as I can compact a general sense of the Davidic Servant along with my personal beliefs.

D&C 103:19 Therefore, let not your hearts faint, for I say not unto you as I said unto your fathers: Mine angel shall go up before you, but not my presence.

20 But I say unto you: Mine angels shall go up before you, and also my presence, and in time ye shall possess the goodly land.


Exodus 23:20 ¶ Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.

21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.

22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.

23 For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.


Apocalypse of Abraham: And while I was still face down on the ground, I heard the voice speaking, "Go, Iaoel (YEHOEL / JAHOEL) of the same name, through the meditation of my ineffable name, consecrate this man for me and strengthen him against his trembling."

I keep adding to this post though you asked for a concise explanation. I can't help myself.

You know, my kids say the same thing sometimes when they do something I specifically asked them not to do.

“Sorry mommy, I just couldn’t help it, I had to get into the cookies...”



You know I’m playing.

These hidden mysteries are certainly like sweet cookies to my soul!

Kingdom of ZION wrote: ↑March 3rd, 2019, 5:28 pm The Second Rebellion is CLOSE, even at our door! When the boys from the mountains shall come forth to save the US Constitution, though it hangs by a hair/thread... be prepared and found numbered among them! Repent with all your hearts and have faith! G_d has PROMISED that He will not take the Gentiles into bondage, but will wipe them off the land, and gather Yisrael and build ZION! It is about to come forth... do you not see and discern (understand) the Signs of the Times?[/color]

My wife and I feel strongly this battle has already begun or intensified on the other side of the veil.

I always understood that Enoch was Metatron.

I have begun to see President Nelson like John the Baptist.

I do not wish to name who I see as "one like Moses," but it isn't currently Brigham Young in my mind.

I would suggest keeping a close eye on Elder Bednar.

That is all.

In sacred geometry, Archangel Metatron, the angel of life oversees the flow of energy in a mystical cube known as Metatron's Cube, which contains all of the geometric shapes in God's creation and represents the patterns that make up everything God has made.

The Airbender wrote: ↑March 3rd, 2019, 8:48 pm

In sacred geometry, Archangel Metatron, the angel of life oversees the flow of energy in a mystical cube known as Metatron's Cube, which contains all of the geometric shapes in God's creation and represents the patterns that make up everything God has made.

Metatron's cube really had nothing to do with Enoch/Metatron, though, it was "discovered" by Leonardo Pisano after 1000 A.D. (thousands of years after Enoch's time.) Also of interest, Pisano also discovered the Fibonacci sequence and I believe he dis some study of the golden ratio as well.

I love Metatron's cube though, truly an amazing pattern.

Michelle wrote: ↑March 3rd, 2019, 8:43 pm I always understood that Enoch was Metatron.

I have begun to see President Nelson like John the Baptist.

I do not wish to name who I see as "one like Moses," but it isn't currently Brigham Young in my mind.

I would suggest keeping a close eye on Elder Bednar.

That is all.

That would be just too easy! I should have called for a book club study on 3 enoch as it's super interesting.

Thanks for the insights. Keep them coming!

Alaris wrote: ↑March 3rd, 2019, 4:05 pm This thread is to log my experiences with the third book of Enoch - please feel free to join the discussion, and I will be happy to entertain any posts in the spirit of civility.

I recently had an experience (maybe 2 weeks ago) where I woke up in the middle of the night groggily determined to find a way to remember the name "Barakiel" - I knew I would likely forget if I didn't write it down somehow. I grabbed my phone and opened a tab and searched for Barakiel and left that open on my screen. The next day I had forgotten about the experience until discussing spiritual matters with my wife when the memory came back to me. I grabbed my phone and there it was - Barakiel.

So, I started to do some research - found some information on wikipedia and other sites. There a lot of sites out there that purport to know the function of angels without any sources. I discovered the angel name is mentioned as one of the seven archangels in the Third Book of Enoch.

I have already written many posts on LDSFF and several articles regarding the First Book of Enoch (Ethiopian Book of Enoch) as chapters 39 - 70 speak of the "Elect One" and add an important witness to the identity of the Rod of Jesse, or the Davidic Servant. I had no interest in reading 3 Enoch at the present time until I had this experience. I still have no idea why I so urgently needed to write down the name, "Barakiel." Well, I have some idea now, which is what this thread is all about.

I have been using my copy of "The Books of Enoch" from Amazon (highly recommended) to study 1 Enoch, though I had not read much beyond. I learned that 3 Enoch was a rabbinical work, which sort of muted my desire to read it. However, as I discovered "Barakiel" was an angel mentioned in 3 Enoch, I started to read and skim through the book, looking for his name.

I found his name in a paragraph of angel names and dominions given along with another name that immediately caught my eye. About 2 years ago, my wife woke up in the middle of the night and saw and angel standing by the side of our bed. I say, Angel because he had a message which I won't reveal here. However, he did identify himself as Ophanniel. Though I had done some research on the name back then, perhaps the spelling I had assumed at the time kept pointing me to an order of angel called the "Ophanim" rather than to the angel of a similar name.

What are the chances that two angel names we both heard in the middle of the night are found in the same paragraph of the Book of Enoch? As I started to dig deeper, I asked, "well, what is the paragraph all about?" Wouldn't you know it, this paragraph that is listing angel names and roles is within chapter 14 that is about none other than the Angel of the Lord who receives his first crown of glory - sound familiar? That's right, THE angel of the Lord is revealing to the R. Ishmael, who is the Rabbi who received the revelation of 3 Enoch, the experience he (the angel) had when he received his crown of glory and the reaction of all the angels who are then named. Though I highly recommend purchasing "The Books of Enoch" I linked above, here is the full text of all the books. If you search for the word "Ophanniel" (two ns) you'll find the paragraph in question.

Ophanniel is the angel whose dominion is the Moon. Barakiel is the angel of the second heaven, those these dominions are listed later. As I scanned through 3 Enoch, I found many, many gems and that's just after a very quick read! Here are some of those gems that confirm my own studies and personal revelation.

First of all, "Metatron" is the name of the Angel of the Lord in this Book who is the one speaking / revealing just as the unnamed Angel of the Lord in the Old Testament is the "Mouth of YHWH" who speaks on behalf of the Lord. There is some interesting insights on this in 3 Enoch. So, Metatron is identified as Angel of the Lord identified as the one who rescues Israel from Egypt (which is the identity the Lord uses to awaken the mortal Davidic Servant in Isaiah 51:9-10.)

In researching the name Metatron, I found that others have equated Metatron to the Egyptian God Horus! Horus - Abraham 3, and the Davidic Servant is the most recent article I just wrote!

Here is the reference, and the relevant portion of the quote:

M. Friedländer, on the other hand, takes Meṭaṭron to be, both in name and in nature, none other than Horus, the "frontier guardian" and "surveyor of the frontier" of the early Gnostics. Source

In an article entitled, "The Etymology of the Name 'Metatron,'" the author Andrei A. Orlov explores the source of the name (etymology) of Metatron which is rather mysterious - what a surprise. The various meanings he derives is SUPER interesting.

The possible meanings / source of the name "Metatron" (italics mine)

1. may be from )r+m or "Keeper of the watch" or "To guard, to protect"
2. may be derived from the greek words meta& and qro&noj - can be translated as "one who serves behind the throne" or "one who occupies the throne next to the throne of glory"
3. "co-occupant of the divine throne"
4. may be derived from the Persian God Mithras (I have zero knowledge on this one)
5. May be from the latin "Metator" which means a leader, a guide, a measurer, or a messenger (also similar to greek word mitator - forerunner.)
6. May be derived from the greek word me&tron, “a measure.”
7. may be connected with the function of this angel as the bearer of God’s name. In Metatron’s lore this principal angel is often named as the “lesser YHWH,” that is, the lesser manifestation of the divine Name. Dan takes the “him” in Exodus 23:21, “because my name is within him,” as referring to Metatron,
8. May be derived from Hebrew word "to take" in reference to Enoch's being translated and may mean "The translated one"
9. May have no etymology

All of that etymology sure is synchronistic - and extremely coincidental. For # 1, think of the role of the Angel of the Lord in the Exodus. #7 is especially noteworthy. In fact, 3 Enoch includes a chapter that reveals the "seventy names of Metatron." The first name listed is ... wait for it...

YEHOEL

I wrote an article all about The Name of the Angel of the Lord that is given in "The Apocalypse of Abraham" regarding the Angel who prepares Abraham for his ministry and is very clearly the same angel who stopped the sacrifice of Isaac who speaks to Abraham regarding his own (the angel's own) dominion and authority. The name spellings are all a bit different in English but point to the same Hebrew word which is basically the two root words for "Elijah" in reverse. From ELiYAHU to YAHUEL. In the Apocalypse of Abraham YAHUEL is spelled IAHOEL and JAHOEL iirc.

Here is a list of "coincidences" I've found in 3 Enoch that reaffirms my witness that the Angel of the Lord is the Davidic Servant and The Holy Ghost. I'm already running long in this introduction post, so I will likely expound upon these below points as time permits.

Witnesses from 3 Enoch

• Metatron is the Angel of the Lord who led the children of Israel in the Exodus
• The Ineffable name is in him (Both The Apocalypse of Abraham & Exodus 23:21 confirm)
• The first of seventy names of Metatron is "Yehoel"
• Metatron is receiving his first crown
• The Lord refers to Metatron as "youth"
• Seven heavens & seven princes
• Hierarchy of dominion confirmed. Prince of first heaven bows to the second. Second bows to third, etc. etc. (one of the best reads in 3 Enoch so far)
• Seven higher "halls" parallel the seven heavens in number but are higher in dominion / authority (confirms what I wrote about here. Search for "seven elohim")
• Metatron is sitting upon a throne rather than "his throne" ala Revealtion
• Enoch is equated to the Angel of the Lord
• The Seraphim, and the Seraphim's anthem confirmed from whence Metatron comes

Admittedly, Enoch being Metatron doesn't fully jive with my belief and experience thus far. However, I have equated Enoch's dominion to that of the Davidic Servant, the former being the archangel aligned to level six, or the seraphim and the latter being the presiding angel from the order of Seraphim. The works of Enoch will be reflected in the Davidic Servant who builds the city of ZION in the end times where Enoch & his city will meet them (Moses 7:63.) I've written about the parallel dominions of Enoch and the Davidic Servant here and here.

From 1 Enoch (Ethiopian)

Enoch 39:6 And in that place my eyes saw the Elect One of righteousness and of faith,
7 And I saw his dwelling-place under the wings of the Lord of spirits.
8 And righteousness shall prevail in his days, and the righteous and elect shall be innumerable and will be before Him for ever and ever.
9 And all the righteous and elect ones before Him shall be as bright as fiery lights (Seraphim means fiery serpents), and their mouth shall be full of blessing (Holy, Holy, Holy - see verse 14 below and compare to Isaiah 6), and their lips shall praise the name of the Lord of spirits. Righteousness and truth before Him shall never fail. (There is that key word "righteousness again and again and again etc.)
10 There I wished to dwell, and my spirit longed for that dwellingplace; and thus it was decided and my portion was assigned and established by the Lord of spirits.
...
14 Those who do not sleep bless you, they stand before your glory and bless, praise, and exalt you, saying: "Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of spirits: He fills the earth with spirits."'


So Enoch beholds the Seraphim - the class of angel that aligns to the priests, level 6, or the 6th promise of overcoming in Revelation, and he longs to be with them and the Lord assigns Enoch to them by the Lord of Spirits. What a "coincidence."

So Enoch being in place of the Davidic Servant and Vice Versa fits. I have held that the Davidic Servant is sitting upon the throne, tasting of the powers of the world to come. Earning his right to become and unconditional inheritor by doing the works of the unconditional inheritors. This truth is "coincidentally" reflected in the 2nd and 3rd etymologies of the name Metatron listed above. I've used the third facsimile to illustrate this heavenly principle many times.



Fig. 1. Abraham sitting upon Pharaoh’s throne, by the politeness of the king, with a crown upon his head, representing the Priesthood, as emblematical of the grand Presidency in Heaven; with the scepter of justice and judgment in his hand.

This heavenly principle is reflected in 3 Enoch, the Angel of the Lord Metatron who is affectionately called "Youth" by Jehovah Himself. My heart aches a bit for those who do not believe the Holy Ghost is a he. I testify to you he indeed is a he, and accepting this new prince of Israel may just be what President Nelson meant by surviving spiritually. Get God.

Fantastic find Alaris! I must admit, I have studied the Davidic Servant in depth from about 2012 up till now, and all my revelations, opinions, and findings align very well with all your research...

Thanks for dedicating much time on sharing your findings with all those that need it.

To survive what's coming and come out conqueror, we must know all there is about the endtime servant and be not deceived by the Anti-Christ and his tactics.

The adversary will use technology as a great weapon in those days, and we must need be vigilant in all that will take place to merit God's mighty hand to deliver us.

Keep on keeping on folks, it's about to get very interesting!

DJB wrote: ↑March 4th, 2019, 6:52 am To survive what's coming and come out conqueror, we must know all there is about the endtime servant and be not deceived by the Anti-Christ and his tactics.

I suggest to you that its a lot more simple than this. Seek to obtain and then work to maintain the Holy Spirit as your constant companion. Only God can give you the Holy Spirit, so, you are going to have to get it from Him. Then, and only then, will you be able to survive what is coming.

Have faith in Jesus Christ, repent with a broken heart and a contrite spirit and become as a child, then will God baptize you with fire and the Holy Ghost. Then will you be able to speak with the tongue of angels. Then, if it is expedient, will you be able to prophesy of all things.

-Finrock

DJB wrote: ↑March 4th, 2019, 6:52 am Fantastic find Alaris! I must admit, I have studied the Davidic Servant in depth from about 2012 up till now, and all my revelations, opinions, and findings align very well with all your research...

Thanks for dedicating much time on sharing your findings with all those that need it.

Thank you DJB, and welcome to the forum! I would be very interested to hear about your findings.

DJB wrote: ↑March 4th, 2019, 6:52 am To survive what's coming and come out conqueror, we must know all there is about the endtime servant and be not deceived by the Anti-Christ and his tactics.

The adversary will use technology as a great weapon in those days, and we must need be vigilant in all that will take place to merit God's mighty hand to deliver us.

Keep on keeping on folks, it's about to get very interesting!

Most Christians are expecting an anti-Christ but not a forerunner. The devil has carefully set the stage of a knee-jerk rejection, but an anti-Christ cannot endorse the Savior by his very nature.

JST John 1:22 And they asked him, saying; How then art thou Elias? And he said, I am not that Elias who was to restore all things. And they asked him, saying, Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
28 He it is of whom I bear record. He is that prophet, even Elias, who, coming after me, is preferred before me, whose shoe’s latchet I am not worthy to unloose, or whose place I am not able to fill; for he shall baptize, not only with water, but with fire, and with the Holy Ghost.

Joseph Smith also carefully edited Matthew 17 to differentiate John the Baptist with the end times forerunner who is to restore all things. I'll link it below as italicizing all the changes in a bit of a pain:

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/jst/jst- ... ang=eng#p9

Here's verse 14:

Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist, and also of another who should come and restore all things, as it is written by the prophets.


As it is written by the prophets ... there are so many scriptures about the Davidic Servant throughout all our standard works and throughout the apocrypha. Thanks again for your comment! I hope you will linger longer and look forward to your posts!

Back to the topic at hand - In the opening of 3 Enoch, R. Ishmael Ben Elisha, who appears to be the high priest of Israel, ascends to "seven halls" and as he approaches the seventh hall from the sixth offers a prayer of mercy. This may be highly emblematic of Yom Kippur (or vice versa rather) and entering the Holy of Holies as the seven halls are above the seven heavens. R. Ishmael describes the halls as being "one within another" in verse 1. I've always pictured the three degrees of celestial glory as 3 circles - one within another - with Elohim at the center. The milky way galaxy also represents this great, bright center - around which everything else revolves. Think of The Book of Abraham and how Kolob is the largest. Anyway - Metatron is sent to great R. Ishmael. Notice how R. Ishmael introduces this character and what Metatron does:

3 Enoch
Chatper 1:(4) Forthwith the Holy One, blessed be He,
sent to me Metatron, his Servant ('Ebed) the
angel, the Prince of the Presence, and he,
spreading his wings, with great joy came to
meet me so as to save me from their hand.

The servant. The angel. The prince of the presence. What is a prince but an unconditional inheritor? Inheritor of the presence. Metatron is saving R. Ishmael from the other angels who later express their displeasure at an intruder - think on the temple endowment and how the signs and tokens are given to allow us to pass various ... well barriers of entry. Bear in mind R. Ishmael is at the barrier, or veil, between the sixth and seventh halls:

(5) And he took me by his hand in their
sight, saying to me: "Enter in peace before
the high and exalted King and behold the
picture of the Merkaba".

So metatron takes him by the hand and says, "Enter in peace." Sound familiar?

So Metatron takes R. Ishmael into the seventh hall and the Seraphim frighten R. Ishmael with "the radiant image of their eyes and the splendid appearance of their faces"

Metatron rebukes them and says:

8: My servants, my Seraphim, my Kerubim (Cherubim) and my Ophannim! Cover ye your
eyes before Ishmael, my son, my friend, my
beloved one and my glory, that he tremble
not nor shudder !"

The dominion of the Davidic Servant is confirmed here. Cherubim (four wings), Ophannim, and Seraphim (six wings) are levels 4, 5, 6 respectively imho. Cherum are those securing the right to the lesser priesthood. Ophannim have secured the lesser priesthood and are securing the right to the higher priesthood. Seraphim have secured the higher priesthood. I believe Ephraim today is mainly comprised of the Ophannim. We posses the Aaronic Priesthood in our youth to symbolize where we came from, and we are tasting of the powers of the world to come in the Melchizedek Priesthood. We are ordained to become priests and kings in temple ordinances tailored for our time and season.

I forgot to add the link to the full text of the Book of Enoch. I will add it to the OP and below:

https://archive.org/stream/AllTheBooksO ... h_djvu.txt

Alaris wrote: ↑March 3rd, 2019, 4:05 pm In an article entitled, "The Etymology of the Name 'Metatron,'" the author Andrei A. Orlov explores the source of the name (etymology) of Metatron which is rather mysterious - what a surprise. The various meanings he derives is SUPER interesting.

The possible meanings / source of the name "Metatron" (italics mine)

1. may be from )r+m or "Keeper of the watch" or "To guard, to protect"
2. may be derived from the greek words meta& and qro&noj - can be translated as "one who serves behind the throne" or "one who occupies the throne next to the throne of glory"
3. "co-occupant of the divine throne"
4. may be derived from the Persian God Mithras (I have zero knowledge on this one)
5. May be from the latin "Metator" which means a leader, a guide, a measurer, or a messenger (also similar to greek word mitator - forerunner.)
6. May be derived from the greek word me&tron, “a measure.”
7. may be connected with the function of this angel as the bearer of God’s name. In Metatron’s lore this principal angel is often named as the “lesser YHWH,” that is, the lesser manifestation of the divine Name. Dan takes the “him” in Exodus 23:21, “because my name is within him,” as referring to Metatron,
8. May be derived from Hebrew word "to take" in reference to Enoch's being translated and may mean "The translated one"
9. May have no etymology

I was reading through my father-in-law's paper "We who overcometh" that served as the foundation of "The Seven Levels of Mankind" articles on my blog, and I read his interpretation for each of the eight rewards of overcoming. The seventh promise is thus:

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

His interpretation: "Sit on God's throne and rule with him."

Notice the 3rd interpretation of Metatron above. This interpretation is likely applicable to all seven archangels, yet the impersonal nature of the 2nd interpretation reinforces the lack of ownership of "he who sitteth upon the throne" - which is expressly not his throne ... yet.

Revelation 7: 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.


Salvation to our newly crowned God who has been sitting upon the throne - earning his throne by sitting upon it (Abraham facsimile 3) - AND unto the Lamb.

Alaris wrote: ↑March 4th, 2019, 12:45 pm

Alaris wrote: ↑March 3rd, 2019, 4:05 pm In an article entitled, "The Etymology of the Name 'Metatron,'" the author Andrei A. Orlov explores the source of the name (etymology) of Metatron which is rather mysterious - what a surprise. The various meanings he derives is SUPER interesting.

The possible meanings / source of the name "Metatron" (italics mine)

1. may be from )r+m or "Keeper of the watch" or "To guard, to protect"
2. may be derived from the greek words meta& and qro&noj - can be translated as "one who serves behind the throne" or "one who occupies the throne next to the throne of glory"
3. "co-occupant of the divine throne"
4. may be derived from the Persian God Mithras (I have zero knowledge on this one)
5. May be from the latin "Metator" which means a leader, a guide, a measurer, or a messenger (also similar to greek word mitator - forerunner.)
6. May be derived from the greek word me&tron, “a measure.”
7. may be connected with the function of this angel as the bearer of God’s name. In Metatron’s lore this principal angel is often named as the “lesser YHWH,” that is, the lesser manifestation of the divine Name. Dan takes the “him” in Exodus 23:21, “because my name is within him,” as referring to Metatron,
8. May be derived from Hebrew word "to take" in reference to Enoch's being translated and may mean "The translated one"
9. May have no etymology

I was reading through my father-in-law's paper "We who overcometh" that served as the foundation of "The Seven Levels of Mankind" articles on my blog, and I read his interpretation for each of the eight rewards of overcoming. The seventh promise is thus:

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

His interpretation: "Sit on God's throne and rule with him."

Notice the 3rd interpretation of Metatron above. This interpretation is likely applicable to all seven archangels, yet the impersonal nature of the 2nd interpretation reinforces the lack of ownership of "he who sitteth upon the throne" - which is expressly not his throne ... yet.

Revelation 7: 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.


Salvation to our newly crowned God who has been sitting upon the throne - earning his throne by sitting upon it (Abraham facsimile 3) - AND unto the Lamb.

Alaris, I disagree with most of what you say (in regards to the Davidic servant), but I just wanted to compliment you on your passion. I appreciate it and I think that passion is a good quality to have. I promise this isn't intended as a passive aggressive insult - it is entirely a compliment Passion used correctly for the Lord can cause miracles to happen and I think you have that passion! Bless you good sir!

John Tavner wrote: ↑March 4th, 2019, 1:00 pm

Alaris wrote: ↑March 4th, 2019, 12:45 pm

Alaris wrote: ↑March 3rd, 2019, 4:05 pm In an article entitled, "The Etymology of the Name 'Metatron,'" the author Andrei A. Orlov explores the source of the name (etymology) of Metatron which is rather mysterious - what a surprise. The various meanings he derives is SUPER interesting.

The possible meanings / source of the name "Metatron" (italics mine)

1. may be from )r+m or "Keeper of the watch" or "To guard, to protect"
2. may be derived from the greek words meta& and qro&noj - can be translated as "one who serves behind the throne" or "one who occupies the throne next to the throne of glory"
3. "co-occupant of the divine throne"
4. may be derived from the Persian God Mithras (I have zero knowledge on this one)
5. May be from the latin "Metator" which means a leader, a guide, a measurer, or a messenger (also similar to greek word mitator - forerunner.)
6. May be derived from the greek word me&tron, “a measure.”
7. may be connected with the function of this angel as the bearer of God’s name. In Metatron’s lore this principal angel is often named as the “lesser YHWH,” that is, the lesser manifestation of the divine Name. Dan takes the “him” in Exodus 23:21, “because my name is within him,” as referring to Metatron,
8. May be derived from Hebrew word "to take" in reference to Enoch's being translated and may mean "The translated one"
9. May have no etymology

I was reading through my father-in-law's paper "We who overcometh" that served as the foundation of "The Seven Levels of Mankind" articles on my blog, and I read his interpretation for each of the eight rewards of overcoming. The seventh promise is thus:

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

His interpretation: "Sit on God's throne and rule with him."

Notice the 3rd interpretation of Metatron above. This interpretation is likely applicable to all seven archangels, yet the impersonal nature of the 2nd interpretation reinforces the lack of ownership of "he who sitteth upon the throne" - which is expressly not his throne ... yet.

Revelation 7: 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.


Salvation to our newly crowned God who has been sitting upon the throne - earning his throne by sitting upon it (Abraham facsimile 3) - AND unto the Lamb.

Alaris, I disagree with most of what you say (in regards to the Davidic servant), but I just wanted to compliment you on your passion. I appreciate it and I think that passion is a good quality to have. I promise this isn't intended as a passive aggressive insult - it is entirely a compliment Passion used correctly for the Lord can cause miracles to happen and I think you have that passion! Bless you good sir!

Have you inquired of the Lord?

No worries - I took it as intended.

Alaris wrote: ↑March 4th, 2019, 1:14 pm

John Tavner wrote: ↑March 4th, 2019, 1:00 pm

Alaris wrote: ↑March 4th, 2019, 12:45 pm

Alaris wrote: ↑March 3rd, 2019, 4:05 pm In an article entitled, "The Etymology of the Name 'Metatron,'" the author Andrei A. Orlov explores the source of the name (etymology) of Metatron which is rather mysterious - what a surprise. The various meanings he derives is SUPER interesting.

The possible meanings / source of the name "Metatron" (italics mine)

1. may be from )r+m or "Keeper of the watch" or "To guard, to protect"
2. may be derived from the greek words meta& and qro&noj - can be translated as "one who serves behind the throne" or "one who occupies the throne next to the throne of glory"
3. "co-occupant of the divine throne"
4. may be derived from the Persian God Mithras (I have zero knowledge on this one)
5. May be from the latin "Metator" which means a leader, a guide, a measurer, or a messenger (also similar to greek word mitator - forerunner.)
6. May be derived from the greek word me&tron, “a measure.”
7. may be connected with the function of this angel as the bearer of God’s name. In Metatron’s lore this principal angel is often named as the “lesser YHWH,” that is, the lesser manifestation of the divine Name. Dan takes the “him” in Exodus 23:21, “because my name is within him,” as referring to Metatron,
8. May be derived from Hebrew word "to take" in reference to Enoch's being translated and may mean "The translated one"
9. May have no etymology

I was reading through my father-in-law's paper "We who overcometh" that served as the foundation of "The Seven Levels of Mankind" articles on my blog, and I read his interpretation for each of the eight rewards of overcoming. The seventh promise is thus:

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

His interpretation: "Sit on God's throne and rule with him."

Notice the 3rd interpretation of Metatron above. This interpretation is likely applicable to all seven archangels, yet the impersonal nature of the 2nd interpretation reinforces the lack of ownership of "he who sitteth upon the throne" - which is expressly not his throne ... yet.

Revelation 7: 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.


Salvation to our newly crowned God who has been sitting upon the throne - earning his throne by sitting upon it (Abraham facsimile 3) - AND unto the Lamb.

Alaris, I disagree with most of what you say (in regards to the Davidic servant), but I just wanted to compliment you on your passion. I appreciate it and I think that passion is a good quality to have. I promise this isn't intended as a passive aggressive insult - it is entirely a compliment Passion used correctly for the Lord can cause miracles to happen and I think you have that passion! Bless you good sir!

Have you inquired of the Lord?

Haha, I have, sir, but thank you for the reminder it is always good to be reminded. I have come to different views - though some of what we believe aligns, just not quite in the same box - it has many similarities, but different enough that I can't say they are the same

Finrock wrote: ↑March 4th, 2019, 9:19 am

DJB wrote: ↑March 4th, 2019, 6:52 am To survive what's coming and come out conqueror, we must know all there is about the endtime servant and be not deceived by the Anti-Christ and his tactics.

I suggest to you that its a lot more simple than this. Seek to obtain and then work to maintain the Holy Spirit as your constant companion. Only God can give you the Holy Spirit, so, you are going to have to get it from Him. Then, and only then, will you be able to survive what is coming.

Have faith in Jesus Christ, repent with a broken heart and a contrite spirit and become as a child, then will God baptize you with fire and the Holy Ghost. Then will you be able to speak with the tongue of angels. Then, if it is expedient, will you be able to prophesy of all things.

-Finrock

Yes indeed the message of Jesus Christ is simple. Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man.
The path back to his presence is not easy. Atleast not for me...
I have found that the things he had asked of me and my family while we wandered in the wilderness for our 8 year period, that ended about 1 year ago, to be the most bizarre sacrifices that left us completely and utterly reliant upon his mercy and guidance (liahona style, Holy Ghost).
The baptism of fire comes after much sacrifice! God will try us before he purges us. Only then will our sanctification of renewal take place.
The Godhead is very simple! They are callings. The first presidency of this probation and all probations.
These callings are occupied by males. For this is the order of eternal rounds...
The pattern of life on earth is a reflection of things as they are in Heaven, only Heaven is Gods throne.

It's wonderful to see so many on this forum with their eyes open and on the PATH.

The plan is perfect, and praise God for our opportunity to learn and grow from one another!

DJB wrote: ↑March 5th, 2019, 6:26 am

Finrock wrote: ↑March 4th, 2019, 9:19 am

DJB wrote: ↑March 4th, 2019, 6:52 am To survive what's coming and come out conqueror, we must know all there is about the endtime servant and be not deceived by the Anti-Christ and his tactics.

I suggest to you that its a lot more simple than this. Seek to obtain and then work to maintain the Holy Spirit as your constant companion. Only God can give you the Holy Spirit, so, you are going to have to get it from Him. Then, and only then, will you be able to survive what is coming.

Have faith in Jesus Christ, repent with a broken heart and a contrite spirit and become as a child, then will God baptize you with fire and the Holy Ghost. Then will you be able to speak with the tongue of angels. Then, if it is expedient, will you be able to prophesy of all things.

-Finrock

Yes indeed the message of Jesus Christ is simple. Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man.
The path back to his presence is not easy. Atleast not for me...
I have found that the things he had asked of me and my family while we wandered in the wilderness for our 8 year period, that ended about 1 year ago, to be the most bizarre sacrifices that left us completely and utterly reliant upon his mercy and guidance (liahona style, Holy Ghost).
The baptism of fire comes after much sacrifice! God will try us before he purges us. Only then will our sanctification of renewal take place.
The Godhead is very simple! They are callings. The first presidency of this probation and all probations.
These callings are occupied by males. For this is the order of eternal rounds...
The pattern of life on earth is a reflection of things as they are in Heaven, only Heaven is Gods throne.

It's wonderful to see so many on this forum with their eyes open and on the PATH.

The plan is perfect, and praise God for our opportunity to learn and grow from one another!

Heck yeah brother, I'm glad you know the Lord and have received the Holy Ghost.

-Finrock