Abducted In Plain Sight

[Tbone]

I don't mean to kick the hornets nest, but have any of you seen Abducted in Plain Sight on Netflix? It's a documentary about an LDS family from Pocatello who was manipulated by a nasty paedophile from church. It's a bit hard to watch, honestly, because of the mistakes the family made that allowed such terrible things to happen to their daughter. It's incredible how vile people can be, such as the predator.

[FattyArBeltBuckle]

After watching a few scenes, I am convinced and not surprised that dad is/ was a sodomite. He was trading sexual favors for time with his innocent girl. Fathers are suppose to protect their families to the death. This sodomite gave his precious little girl to another sodomite.

[Davka]

I've heard about this, but just can't bring myself to watch it. I already know how vile the world is, I don't need to be reminded.

[Benaishtart]

After watching this and also Ted Bundy I’ve realized there have to be some predators who have infiltrated the church just because they know how naive we can be. It’s disgustingly awful.

[EmmaLee]

With how many gullible LDS seem to want to keep their heads in the sand (on most things, not just this topic), and believe that 'all is well', yea verily, and who seem to trust any/all if they, too, are Mormons - this does not surprise me at all. In fact, I'm more surprised that similar doesn't happen more often in LDS families/congregations. As for the perpetrators and the father - death penalty.

[Tbone]

After watching a few scenes, I am convinced and not surprised that dad is/ was a sodomite. He was trading sexual favors for time with his innocent girl. Fathers are suppose to protect their families to the death. This sodomite gave his precious little girl to another sodomite.

I think you are right. I think there was more to it than what was said in the documentary. Otherwise, how could a one time "indiscretion" be used as blackmail as being a homosexual relationship, sick as the act was.

[harakim]

There was a time when I thought almost no one drank or used drugs. Then I went to a party and realized all the people I thought were not doing it, were in fact doing it.

There was a time that I thought basically everyone was happy. I recently learned that most people are unhappy most of the time. Not only that, their life experience makes them believe EVERYONE is unhappy most of the time.

I used to think pedophilia was rare. Recently, I have heard more and more people talk about how they were molested or how their neighbor was a molestor. And you can kind of sense it with some people anyway, once you start seeing the types of behavior molestors exhibit.

This world is a dark place. I don't trust anyone around my kids.

[Tbone]

I've heard about this, but just can't bring myself to watch it. I already know how vile the world is, I don't need to be reminded.

You're probably being better off not watching it. I don't regret watching it, but everything about it definitely leaves you feeling sick to your stomach.

[FattyArBeltBuckle]

Yeah, your better off not watching it. Mom was a piece of trash also. In the interview, mom speaks of the sodomite with a twinkle in her eyes, (she literally smiles with delight, thinking back on the sodomite) Dad is a sodomite and mom is a whore. They didn't want their sodomy and whoredoms to come to light, so they pimped out their daughter. That is the gist of it.

[Juliet]

The world is run by blackmail. What, is Satan supposed to give out lemonade to get followers?

The question is, if someone had the power to frame you and destroy you, would you still do the right thing?

We like to think of bad people as "them" and good people as "us". I don't think it is quite so easy. Every time we do a bad thing we contribute to Satan's power on Earth. And oh how few of us would do bad things if we were never put in double binds.

How many of us have shut our mouth in order to fit in?

How many of us disagree with our company agenda but are quiet so as not to lose our job

How many of us obey laws that take away life, liberty, and property, so we don't go to jail?

How many of us know of a center in our area that kills babies, and we sit and do nothing because someone said they have more authority than the average person to declare it legal.

We are all guilty and we all have blood on our hands. We just don't feel guilty because someone told us not too.

Psychological experiments have shown that 90 percent of people will deliver lethal electric shocks to someone if a perceived authority tells them to do it.

I think there is a reason why we covenant to give everything, including our lives to the building of the kingdom of God. Do you think in Satan's world, anything less will do?

[simpleton]

To bad Brigham Young is not here today running things....

[Rose Garden]

Watching that movie was like watching my own family being interviewed. I was never kidnapped but my parents did force me to go places with a man who was asking me to do inappropriate things with him and proposed marriage. I was ten and he was 21. I get it.

[Thinker]

Watching that movie was like watching my own family being interviewed. I was never kidnapped but my parents did force me to go places with a man who was asking me to do inappropriate things with him and proposed marriage. I was ten and he was 21. I get it.

That was wrong for them to do that. I imagine you’ve had to process and work to heal the consequences of that. Something similar happened with me - but not that extreme. It is a harsh slap of truth to realize your own parents don’t have your back and prioritize praises of others over your well being. My mom is sick - literally diagnosed with a personality disorder. My dad had some tough times and did well considering - he has a good heart - and I appreciate that he acknowledges his mistakes and works on improving.

As Juliet mentioned, we all have a tendency to go along with authorities. In some ways it can be good - but sometimes bad.

[Thinker]

After watching this and also Ted Bundy I’ve realized there have to be some predators who have infiltrated the church just because they know how naive we can be. It’s disgustingly awful.

You raise a good point. Many in the church, are naive. Why?
Maybe...
1) We want to think well of people. Maybe, emotional reasoning extends problematically to assuming if we think well of others, we and they are well. Emotional reasoning is the belief that “feelings = facts” - the notion that if you FEEL bad about something - then it must be wrong/evil. Confronting someone can feel horrible - especially if you have to confront a friend, family or church leader.

2) The teaching to never question - may extend to never questioning - even when it’s so needed. We’re taught, “contention is of the devil” so that also may contribute to why we don’t confront when needed. Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished - “the thinking has been done” by church leaders, so many are out of tune with what THEY think, feel and spiritually discern.

More than ever, we need to wake up - be aware of the spiritual battles going on within and around us & those we love!

[shadow]

After watching this and also Ted Bundy I’ve realized there have to be some predators who have infiltrated the church just because they know how naive we can be. It’s disgustingly awful.

You raise a good point. Many in the church, are naive. Why?

Because people in the church are human, period. In any society and in any religion you'll find this crap happening. It happens in every facet of society including politics and hollywood. It's not exclusively a 'mormon' thing, not even close.
Generally speaking, humans are trusting of other humans and are naive to secret combinations, big and small, looking to take advantage in the worst way of people.

[Thinker]

After watching this and also Ted Bundy I’ve realized there have to be some predators who have infiltrated the church just because they know how naive we can be. It’s disgustingly awful.

You raise a good point. Many in the church, are naive. Why?

Because people in the church are human, period. In any society and in any religion you'll find this crap happening. It happens in every facet of society including politics and hollywood. It's not exclusively a 'mormon' thing, not even close.
Generally speaking, humans are trusting of other humans and are naive to secret combinations, big and small, looking to take advantage in the worst way of people.

Yes, there’s some truth to this being universal - not exclusive to Mormonism. I read that about 70% of people will deny what they know to be true in favor of herd mentality. However, our church fits most characteristics of a cult and therefore we are even more susceptible to herd mentality and related naivety. The first step in overcoming a problem is acknowledging there is one.

[Robin Hood]

With how many gullible LDS seem to want to keep their heads in the sand (on most things, not just this topic), and believe that 'all is well', yea verily, and who seem to trust any/all if they, too, are Mormons - this does not surprise me at all. In fact, I'm more surprised that similar doesn't happen more often in LDS families/congregations. As for the perpetrators and the father - death penalty.

Agreed, though the death penalty is too good.
We need to go back to "hung, drawn and quartered".

[LadyT]

With how many gullible LDS seem to want to keep their heads in the sand (on most things, not just this topic), and believe that 'all is well', yea verily, and who seem to trust any/all if they, too, are Mormons - this does not surprise me at all. In fact, I'm more surprised that similar doesn't happen more often in LDS families/congregations. As for the perpetrators and the father - death penalty.

Agreed, though the death penalty is too good.
We need to go back to "hung, drawn and quartered".

Hanging is cheap, easy and quick if done right.

[LadyT]

After watching this and also Ted Bundy I’ve realized there have to be some predators who have infiltrated the church just because they know how naive we can be. It’s disgustingly awful.

You raise a good point. Many in the church, are naive. Why?
Maybe...
1) We want to think well of people. Maybe, emotional reasoning extends problematically to assuming if we think well of others, we and they are well. Emotional reasoning is the belief that “feelings = facts” - the notion that if you FEEL bad about something - then it must be wrong/evil. Confronting someone can feel horrible - especially if you have to confront a friend, family or church leader.

2) The teaching to never question - may extend to never questioning - even when it’s so needed. We’re taught, “contention is of the devil” so that also may contribute to why we don’t confront when needed. Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished - “the thinking has been done” by church leaders, so many are out of tune with what THEY think, feel and spiritually discern.

More than ever, we need to wake up - be aware of the spiritual battles going on within and around us & those we love!

I trust most people about as far as I can throw them. I had to many friends hurt by people who they trusted and loved. I am in many ways over protective. It takes a lot for me to trust someone with my kids.

[mtm411]

The craziest thing is the pedophile later got rebaptized and worked as a temple worker. Can you imagine walking into a temple and seeing an abuser? There are some crimes that should bar you from the temple and child molestation is in the top 3.

[Robin Hood]

The craziest thing is the pedophile later got rebaptized and worked as a temple worker. Can you imagine walking into a temple and seeing an abuser? There are some crimes that should bar you from the temple and child molestation is in the top 3.

I bet they don't let him in the baptistry though.

[mtm411]

The craziest thing is the pedophile later got rebaptized and worked as a temple worker. Can you imagine walking into a temple and seeing an abuser? There are some crimes that should bar you from the temple and child molestation is in the top 3.

I bet they don't let him in the baptistry though.

He's with a congregation of children every Sunday. I bet no one warned the parents to watch the kids extra close

[ElizaRSkousen]

The craziest thing is the pedophile later got rebaptized and worked as a temple worker. Can you imagine walking into a temple and seeing an abuser? There are some crimes that should bar you from the temple and child molestation is in the top 3.

A similar thing happened where I live

[Thinker]

Watching that movie was like watching my own family being interviewed. I was never kidnapped but my parents did force me to go places with a man who was asking me to do inappropriate things with him and proposed marriage. I was ten and he was 21. I get it.

That was wrong for them to do that. I imagine you’ve had to process and work to heal the consequences of that. Something similar happened with me - but not that extreme. It is a harsh slap of truth to realize your own parents don’t have your back and prioritize praises of others over your well being. My mom is sick - literally diagnosed with a personality disorder. My dad had some tough times and did well considering - he has a good heart - and I appreciate that he acknowledges his mistakes and works on improving.

As Juliet mentioned, we all have a tendency to go along with authorities. In some ways it can be good - but sometimes bad.

Meili,
I just read this quote (I think by Neitzsche) that reminded me of you and anyone else who has had dysfunctional parenting...

• “When one has not had a good father, [or mother] one must create one.”

There is a silver lining to such harship. In childhood and more recently, I’ve realized my mother has disdain for me (even if subconsciously) by how she treats me. This has led me to look to and developed stronger faith in a Heavenly Father and Mother. I believe strongly and feel it deep in my soul - that they love me with a love that is true. When I feel this love, I love myself & others better.