Personality systems

[Benaishtart]

Does anyone have a comprehensive list of personality systems? What’s your favorite system? Anyone into the Enneagram? Also what kind of personality do you think God the father has? Do you think a psychologist could describe certain traits of God or Jesus? So on that point do all perfected beings have the same personality or vastly different ones? I wouldn’t want to be some clone.

[Davka]

I'm really into Myers Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI). I'm constantly trying to categorize people around me into one of the 16 types, even fictional characters, or people I don't know (like some people on this thread... I know, I know. Weird). Studying it has helped me understand myself better and why I do what I do or feel the way I feel, and also helps me understand where others are coming from.

I'll admit, there are a couple of types that I am biased against, and I find myself judging someone unfairly just because they're a particular type.

I'm not as well versed in enneagram...I think I was a type 7 when I tested?

From an MBTI standpoint, I think perfected beings have developed all 8 functions perfectly, and are therefore all 16 types at once. They're perfectly introverted, extroverted, thinking, feeling, intuitive, sensing, judging and perceiving. By contrast, most people only have one or two really well developed functions...and only four that we use at all.

[ParticleMan]

P2MR, or Paulos Phenotype and Motion Recognition (http://paulosrecognition.com/), is the most accurate, thorough, and practical system I've found. As the most thorough, it isn't limited to personality, which evolves, but temperaments, which are innate. And as the most practical, it isn't based on a subjective questionnaire or a hierarchy of types that are incohesive or that ultimately conflict, but on continuums of dualities.

The author has approaches to your questions.

And, surely, each will maintain their individuality in post-mortality.

[endlessQuestions]

P2MR, or Paulos Phenotype and Motion Recognition (http://paulosrecognition.com/), is the most accurate, thorough, and practical system I've found. As the most thorough, it isn't limited to personality, which evolves, but temperaments, which are innate. And as the most practical, it isn't based on a subjective questionnaire or a hierarchy of types that are incohesive or that ultimately conflict, but on continuums of dualities.

The author has approaches to your questions.

And, surely, each will maintain their individuality in post-mortality.

This is interesting. Where did you come across it?

[Rand]

Does anyone have a comprehensive list of personality systems? What’s your favorite system? Anyone into the Enneagram? Also what kind of personality do you think God the father has? Do you think a psychologist could describe certain traits of God or Jesus? So on that point do all perfected beings have the same personality or vastly different ones? I wouldn’t want to be some clone.

I am a huge Ennegram fan. I like Riso's books. There are tons of people out there using it now, but he was the best. It retains a little of the spiritual qualities of the personality styles. I think it is the deepest, most profound and most capable of helping a person transform and over come their inherent weaknesses.

[Original_Intent]

I'm also well into MBTI, and like it for the same reasons that Davka expressed.

Way back in the day, I studied "The Color Code" there are only four types in that system, and really it focuses around prime motivators (independence, guilt, control, and fun) Everyone has some of each color, but usually there is one that is very dominant.

[abijah]

I’m interested in this “Enneagram”, if someone is willing to share a bit more about what that is and what they’ve learnt from it.

I think the Big Five is okay. Although I personally find Myers-Briggs more relateable and therefore more effective it seems to me.

Though I think there is a prevailing fallacy of mutual exclusivity with the MBTI system. I am legitimately both an introvert and an extravert, ask anyone who knows me. The MBTI system shouldn’t be some either/or thing. To become more develeoped in one’s thinking does not diminish the ability to feel. What this paradigm does get right however is the dichotomy of archetypes - which is probably why more find it personally relateable for them than certain other personality frameworks.

[Davka]

I’m interested in this “Enneagram”, if someone is willing to share a bit more about what that is and what they’ve learnt from it.

I think the Big Five is okay. Although I personally find Myers-Briggs more relateable and therefore more effective it seems to me.

Though I think there is a prevailing fallacy of mutual exclusivity with the MBTI system. I am legitimately both an introvert and an extravert, ask anyone who knows me. The MBTI system shouldn’t be some either/or thing. To become more develeoped in one’s thinking does not diminish the ability to feel. What this paradigm does get right however is the dichotomy of archetypes - which is probably why more find it personally relateable for them than certain other personality frameworks.

I think it's possible for some people who are "on the line" between say introversion and extroversion to switch back and forth easily. This doesn't change the fuctions you use, just what you're using as your primary and what you're using as your secondary. It usually means you can use your primary function and secondary function equally well.

You're an infj, right? I think I remember reading that it's common for infjs to have that "ambivert" quality.

[nightlight]

I’m interested in this “Enneagram”, if someone is willing to share a bit more about what that is and what they’ve learnt from it.

I think the Big Five is okay. Although I personally find Myers-Briggs more relateable and therefore more effective it seems to me.

Though I think there is a prevailing fallacy of mutual exclusivity with the MBTI system. I am legitimately both an introvert and an extravert, ask anyone who knows me. The MBTI system shouldn’t be some either/or thing. To become more develeoped in one’s thinking does not diminish the ability to feel. What this paradigm does get right however is the dichotomy of archetypes - which is probably why more find it personally relateable for them than certain other personality frameworks.

Funny...family/friends tell me the same thing (intro/extra). I guess it just depends on the season for me. I kinda change with the seasons.This is why I didn't do well in Phoenix AZ.... I need 4 seasons or I get weird(weirder...at least).

[abijah]

I think it's possible for some people who are "on the line" between say introversion and extroversion to switch back and forth easily. This doesn't change the fuctions you use, just what you're using as your primary and what you're using as your secondary. It usually means you can use your primary function and secondary function equally well.

You're an infj, right? I think I remember reading that it's common for infjs to have that "ambivert" quality.

Yeah I’m an INFJ according to the test. My point is that I don’t view the spectrum as a pendulum. I prefer to swing both directions simultaneously, myself. The utility I’ve found from Myers-Briggs is the realisation that I can marry the two different sides of myself, whether it be between judging and perceiving, or feeling and thinking, utilising my intuition based on how I sense. In retrospect I can’t help but feel grateful for challenges in my life which have provided me with opportunities to develop this to the degree that I have.

I’ll admit I don’t know how all the functions work so I can’t really comment on that. Your point does make sense here to me though.

[abijah]

I kinda change with the seasons.

Me too, very much so. But its much more internal than external for me. Thank goodness since I’m in Cali now.

[Davka]

I think it's possible for some people who are "on the line" between say introversion and extroversion to switch back and forth easily. This doesn't change the fuctions you use, just what you're using as your primary and what you're using as your secondary. It usually means you can use your primary function and secondary function equally well.

You're an infj, right? I think I remember reading that it's common for infjs to have that "ambivert" quality.

Yeah I’m an INFJ according to the test. My point is that I don’t view the spectrum as a pendulum. I prefer to swing both directions simultaneously, myself. The utility I’ve found from Myers-Briggs is the realisation that I can marry the two different sides of myself, whether it be between judging and perceiving, or feeling and thinking, utilising my intuition based on how I sense. In retrospect I can’t help but feel grateful for challenges in my life which have provided me with opportunities to develop this to the degree that I have.

I’ll admit I don’t know how all the functions work so I can’t really comment on that. Your point does make sense here to me though.

I think that's cool that you are that aware of how your mind works.

MBTI isn't perfect, and in fact the scientist who came up with it ignored some pretty major pieces of previously established theories when she put it together. Keep in mind though, every person exhibits intuition AND sensing, thinking AND feeling, extroversion AND introversion. Our personality type has more to do with what we prefer, as the opposite functions are not mutually exclusive.

Also, you might be interested in disinhibed vs. inhibited types. These temperaments are often confused with extroversion and introversion. I'm an extrovert, but am actually more inhibited (which would usually be associated with introversion), while my husband is an introvert, but is disinhibited (usually associated with extroversion). There's an explanation toward the bottom of this page. http://www.paulosrecognition.com/ap/duality.html

[Davka]

P2MR, or Paulos Phenotype and Motion Recognition (http://paulosrecognition.com/), is the most accurate, thorough, and practical system I've found. As the most thorough, it isn't limited to personality, which evolves, but temperaments, which are innate. And as the most practical, it isn't based on a subjective questionnaire or a hierarchy of types that are incohesive or that ultimately conflict, but on continuums of dualities.

The author has approaches to your questions.

And, surely, each will maintain their individuality in post-mortality.

Wait, did everyone else know that Paulos is BYU grad?

[simpleton]

Well we are either for God or against Him... that ought to condense it.

[Benaishtart]

P2MR, or Paulos Phenotype and Motion Recognition (http://paulosrecognition.com/), is the most accurate, thorough, and practical system I've found. As the most thorough, it isn't limited to personality, which evolves, but temperaments, which are innate. And as the most practical, it isn't based on a subjective questionnaire or a hierarchy of types that are incohesive or that ultimately conflict, but on continuums of dualities.

The author has approaches to your questions.

And, surely, each will maintain their individuality in post-mortality.

Wait, did everyone else know that Paulos is BYU grad?

Yeah there’s something about us Saints being into personality systems. Also there’s Tuttle and the Color Code.

[Davka]

Well we are either for God or against Him... that ought to condense it.

Are you implying that looking into personality systems is against God?

I just spent the last hour talking to my mom about how Paulos' theory might relate to principles like having the Savior's image in our countenance, DNA changing as we take the sacrament, the Savior being the express image of the Father, etc.

I think there are some deep truths encapsulated in personality theories, and even more when considered in combination with gene expression and epigenetics.

[captainfearnot]

I think these personality systems are indicative of the primitive state of our current understanding of psychology, mental health, and the mind in general.

What I mean is they remind me of our primitive attempts to understand other complex systems. Back before we knew about the periodic table we talked about four elements: earth, water, wind, and fire. Back before we knew a bit more about physical anatomy we talked about the four humors: blood, yellow bile, black bile, and phlegm. We're taught the five senses, but modern neurology identifies over twenty. Same with states of matter, turns out there are dozens beyond solid, liquid, and gas.

We seem to be attracted to these kinds of generalized taxonomies when we're dealing with a complex system that we know very little about. And that seems to be where we're at when it comes to psychology right now, whether it's the Four Temperaments or the four aspects of Meyers-Briggs or what have you.

I suspect that someday our understanding of the mind will catch up to our understanding of the physical body, and when it does these personality systems will appear just as medieval as medicine based on the four humors. But for now, I like the Big Five.

[theenneagramer]

Hello There

I am an Enneagramer (aka on IG @theenneagramer) and also happen to be LDS. I am just starting a new podcast launching this summer about the exploration of the Enneagram particularly in the LDS faith/culture and how it can be used to help us all be better versions of ourselves and learn a better way. I'd be happy to share with you some insights and resources if you are genuinely interested. I think the Enneagram in the context of the LDS faith poses some very interesting questions (often dilemmas too ) and I am looking forward to having wonderful discussions with some gifted guests in and out of the Enneagram realm.

Feel free to reach out.

I’m interested in this “Enneagram”, if someone is willing to share a bit more about what that is and what they’ve learnt from it.

I think the Big Five is okay. Although I personally find Myers-Briggs more relateable and therefore more effective it seems to me.

Though I think there is a prevailing fallacy of mutual exclusivity with the MBTI system. I am legitimately both an introvert and an extravert, ask anyone who knows me. The MBTI system shouldn’t be some either/or thing. To become more develeoped in one’s thinking does not diminish the ability to feel. What this paradigm does get right however is the dichotomy of archetypes - which is probably why more find it personally relateable for them than certain other personality frameworks.

Funny...family/friends tell me the same thing (intro/extra). I guess it just depends on the season for me. I kinda change with the seasons.This is why I didn't do well in Phoenix AZ.... I need 4 seasons or I get weird(weirder...at least).

[Alaris]

I'm really into Myers Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI). I'm constantly trying to categorize people around me into one of the 16 types, even fictional characters, or people I don't know (like some people on this thread... I know, I know. Weird). Studying it has helped me understand myself better and why I do what I do or feel the way I feel, and also helps me understand where others are coming from.

I'll admit, there are a couple of types that I am biased against, and I find myself judging someone unfairly just because they're a particular type.

I'm not as well versed in enneagram...I think I was a type 7 when I tested?

From an MBTI standpoint, I think perfected beings have developed all 8 functions perfectly, and are therefore all 16 types at once. They're perfectly introverted, extroverted, thinking, feeling, intuitive, sensing, judging and perceiving. By contrast, most people only have one or two really well developed functions...and only four that we use at all.

This explains how you had me pegged despite being the rarest Meyers type. I always felt like I couldn't relate to many folks but could classify them into groups of like personality types as well.

When I initially took the test and read the result, I was like, ahhhh that's explains so much! Meyers Briggs ftw

[Rand]

Hello There

I am an Enneagramer (aka on IG @theenneagramer) and also happen to be LDS. I am just starting a new podcast launching this summer about the exploration of the Enneagram particularly in the LDS faith/culture and how it can be used to help us all be better versions of ourselves and learn a better way. I'd be happy to share with you some insights and resources if you are genuinely interested. I think the Enneagram in the context of the LDS faith poses some very interesting questions (often dilemmas too ) and I am looking forward to having wonderful discussions with some gifted guests in and out of the Enneagram realm.

Feel free to reach out.

I’m interested in this “Enneagram”, if someone is willing to share a bit more about what that is and what they’ve learnt from it.

I think the Big Five is okay. Although I personally find Myers-Briggs more relateable and therefore more effective it seems to me.

Though I think there is a prevailing fallacy of mutual exclusivity with the MBTI system. I am legitimately both an introvert and an extravert, ask anyone who knows me. The MBTI system shouldn’t be some either/or thing. To become more develeoped in one’s thinking does not diminish the ability to feel. What this paradigm does get right however is the dichotomy of archetypes - which is probably why more find it personally relateable for them than certain other personality frameworks.

Funny...family/friends tell me the same thing (intro/extra). I guess it just depends on the season for me. I kinda change with the seasons.This is why I didn't do well in Phoenix AZ.... I need 4 seasons or I get weird(weirder...at least).

Greetings! I have been using the enneagram for about 20 years. I use it casually, but consistently. I have found it a marvelous tool to understand yourself, and others. It is especially helpful in a family setting.
I like the enneagram, because unlike other systems, it preserves spirituality in view of our personality characteristics.

God, from my view is a balance of all nine types. He comprises the healthy aspect of all nine types. I have wondered in the past if the Lord chooses 12 apostles, that combined manifest his character.

[Thinker]

Yes, I find it fascinating - though I also am reluctant to completely buy into labels or boxing myself or others into a certain way. As mentioned, temperament is inborn (& I’d say adaptable somewhat), and personality develops. We are all works in progress.

As a child I was extremely shy and didn’t talk until I was quite a bit older than usual, though I was considered smart. I came to a point in adolescence when I decided to force myself to act extroverted to make more friends - & I did. Many swear I’m an extrovert, but deep down I’m more introverted.

Spoiler

I’ve tested mostly as an INTJ, once as INFJ.
I just barely took the enneagram test & result was 2.

[BeNotDeceived]

The Art of Thinking kicks booty over competing theories

ENTPs Rock so best bring your A game, else suffer the consequences.

huh :?:

Synthesist idealist