LDS Bishop Removed Following Human Trafficking Sting

[investigator]

https://fox13now.com/2019/02/20/former- ... RoPkMYIBBI

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SMH

[ajax]

Never allow one on one's with your children.

[oneClimbs]

Wow, thank goodness he was caught and removed.

[Lizzy60]

If you saw this on KSL or the Deseret News, you were not told he was a current Bishop.

Here is the account from Deseret News:

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900 ... sting.html

What the Deseret News leaves out is that this man was the Bishop of a ward in Lehi on the 14th when the sting happened. The article says "Moss has also served as a leader of a local religious congregation." That makes it sound like it was sometime in the past, not that he was just released as Bishop less than a week ago. In fact LDS tools still lists him as a Bishop.

KSL.com has the exact same article as Deseret News, stating that Moss has also served as a leader of a local religious congregation. No mention that he is LDS, or that he was a Bishop on the day of his crime and the day of his arrest.

Charges ----- David Moss, 51, of Lehi, was booked into the Utah County Jail for investigation of exploiting a prostitute, patronizing a prostitute, two counts of lewdness and sexual battery.

[creator]

Never allow one on one's with your children.

This incident should be yet another reminder to never let your kids be alone with a bishop or other church leaders.

#protectldschildren

[downaletter]

So, maybe the church shouldn't have excommunicated Sam Young...just a thought. You know, maybe he has a point. No background checks? "Fired from St. George police for sexual misconduct" doesn't ring any bells? Allowing this guy to "manage" women...who knows if he is talking to other girls in his ward. If I were a parent in his ward, you bet your @#$ I would be having a difficult talk with my sons and daughters tonight.

Inexcusable.

[oneClimbs]

If you saw this on KSL or the Deseret News, you were not told he was a current Bishop.

Here is the account from Deseret News:

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900 ... sting.html

What the Deseret News leaves out is that this man was the Bishop of a ward in Lehi on the 14th when the sting happened. The article says "Moss has also served as a leader of a local religious congregation." That makes it sound like it was sometime in the past, not that he was just released as Bishop less than a week ago. In fact LDS tools still lists him as a Bishop.

KSL.com has the exact same article as Deseret News, stating that Moss has also served as a leader of a local religious congregation. No mention that he is LDS, or that he was a Bishop on the day of his crime and the day of his arrest.

Charges ----- David Moss, 51, of Lehi, was booked into the Utah County Jail for investigation of exploiting a prostitute, patronizing a prostitute, two counts of lewdness and sexual battery.

The media not reporting accurately? Tell me it isn’t so! That is irresponsible of them, the facts are the facts no matter how tragic. He was an active bishop doing scumbag things on the side.

Typically I think that the media should wait before guilt is establishing before running a story, because sometimes the truth is more complex, like in the Covington story. However if the cops are reporting what he did and said in context, weeeelll...

My first counselor in EQ ended up being a child molester. He was a good friend, nobody suspected a thing, but he is a dangerous predator and deserves to be in jail.

It’s very sad because this kind of thing destroys lives and trust between people all over the world. It’s one thing to make a stupid mistake, it is another to put on a holy face and act in a calulating manner like a ravenous wolf. If there is any justification for prisons it is them.

[oneClimbs]

So, maybe the church shouldn't have excommunicated Sam Young...just a thought. You know, maybe he has a point. No background checks? "Fired from St. George police for sexual misconduct" doesn't ring any bells? Allowing this guy to "manage" women...who knows if he is talking to other girls in his ward. If I were a parent in his ward, you bet your donkey I would be having a difficult talk with my sons and daughters tonight.

Inexcusable.

In the case of my eq 1st counselor who molested childern, he had been in prison for a few years. We knew but everyone thought it was white collar crime and he was such a kind and humble guy, but he was caught molesting a girl.

Here’s the scary thing, for some reason, he was not in any sex offender database. Perhaps a background check would have revealed it. I am 100% for background checks especially for callings of leadership or people that work with kids.

[Original_Intent]

I hate hearing stories like this, but I am glad he was caught. A good reminder that ALL of our leaders are "mere mortals" - granted in most cases I think GAs have been well-vetted. But no one is above temptation and failing. I've seen far worse, tbh, and from people that if you knew them you would never think them capable of hurting a fly.

[gkearney]

The Australian working with children card system would seem to be in order here. In Australia you can’t even be called as a bishop or even a Sunday school teacher without one of these cards and the background check for them is carried out by the state and federal police.

[creator]

granted in most cases I think GAs have been well-vetted.

Seems very likely. A Church employee stated anonymously on reddit (within the past few years) that before a new Apostle is called they do in-depth background checks into a group of potential candidates to look for any possible red flags. Before some General Conferences the employee has said "we did background checks on x and y and z" and usually one of those people were called as an Apostle.

[Lizzy60]

I had to have a background check done before I could volunteer in my grandchildren's elementary school music program. This man lost his job because of sexual impropriety, but the church "allows" him to be alone with women and children, hearing their concerns, questioning them about sexual matters in some cases, and we excommunicate someone for raising concerns about this practice, and we still don't set up any sort of background check, or reporting system.

Someone will rue the day........

[Arenera]

I had to have a background check done before I could volunteer in my grandchildren's elementary school music program. This man lost his job because of sexual impropriety, but the church "allows" him to be alone with women and children, hearing their concerns, questioning them about sexual matters in some cases, and we excommunicate someone for raising concerns about this practice, and we still don't set up any sort of background check, or reporting system.

Someone will rue the day........

How did he become a bishop if he was in a consensual relationship 7 years earlier?

[Lizzy60]

I had to have a background check done before I could volunteer in my grandchildren's elementary school music program. This man lost his job because of sexual impropriety, but the church "allows" him to be alone with women and children, hearing their concerns, questioning them about sexual matters in some cases, and we excommunicate someone for raising concerns about this practice, and we still don't set up any sort of background check, or reporting system.

Someone will rue the day........

How did he become a bishop if he was in a consensual relationship 7 years earlier?

Because they didn't ask, and he didn't tell.

[gkearney]

As far as I can tell the only local leadership that ever got any kind of formal professional background check were scout leaders, and we all know those days are numbered.

[Benaishtart]

Just saying there’s plenty of stuff I wouldn’t have told the Bishop as a teenager if someone else was in the room.

[Benaishtart]

And it CERTAINLY would’ve impeded my repentance process

[Sunain]

Paging Sam Young. Paging the First Presidency.

[Juliet]

How can the church investigate stories of human trafficking if the police won't investigate it? Where is the check and balances for a corrupt police force?

It is lucky this guy got caught.

[Lizzy60]

How can the church investigate stories of human trafficking if the police won't investigate it? Where is the check and balances for a corrupt police force?

It is lucky this guy got caught.

The church wasn't investigating this. It was the police who set up the sting to arrest sex traffickers. This offender was kicked off the police force in St George SIX years ago for an alleged sex crime. This was public record, if a background check had been done by the church.

[Thinker]

Wow. This does make me want to protect others - especially children.

There’s a hope/belief that this just happens to other people far away - but unfortunately it’s more common than apparent. A while ago, I searched and realized there was a man in our ward on the sex-abuse registry - his child was friends with our child. We were nice, but kept boundaries.

I briefly looked for registry info of abusers and it seems most want email or money, except the main state registry - if/when it is better operating... https://corrections.utah.gov/index.php? ... Itemid=304

[djinwa]

"Because they didn't ask, and he didn't tell."

Didn't the leaders that called him pray for inspiration?

Why do a background check if callings are inspired?

[farmerchick]

This is a now a very high profile situation in the midst of the Saints. In my opinion from what I've seen in local leadership it's par for the course. I've seen multi layer fraudsters, thieves, child molesters of their own children and who know who else, adulterers, attempted murders, or those who wished to cheat on their spouse mixed into the basically good local leadership over the years. I once asked my stake president how these type of men are called as most them substantially damaged the flock they were supposedly serving. The stake president wisely told me that this is the pure philosophy of the gospel in action and motion. The perpetrators who would take advantage of the vulnerable like the wolf in the sheep clothing mixing in with the flock will be held accountable for their stewardship and some will have their calling and election made sure to the fiery pits if they do not sincerely repent. The Savior will hold them accountable for the damage done, more so than someone that had no stewardship. They are acting out their free agency and their probationary period here is recorded for good or ill. Perhaps this is a turning point for the perpetrators, a last chance to prove themselves, and perhaps they have sealed their fate. Free agency no matter how you use it, is the gospel plan, pure and simple. Every person on earth is choosing and living out the gospel plan with or without knowledge. I have pondered this for many years. This is the sifting and secrets will be uncovered. The very last gasps of Satan to prevail over us and bind us with everlasting chains of hell is going on in real time. I was assured the Savior takes these crimes against the vulnerable by the those in stewardship very seriously. Over time (many years in the same local area),I have seen that these perpetrators have mostly come to a bad end, families destroyed in some cases, financially ruined and reputations wrecked, some have even gotten rare types of cancers and disease and are no longer on the earth, and some lost their freedom for years. Some disappeared from the area never to be seen or heard of again,. It would be ridiculous to say that because of the way they used their agency, they came to a bad end, as bad things also afflict good people. Right? So little flock be of good cheer, even though the whirlwind engulfs and tries to destroy, life will be fair in the end. Never fear!

[LukeAir2008]

"Because they didn't ask, and he didn't tell."

Didn't the leaders that called him pray for inspiration?

Why do a background check if callings are inspired?

There is no inspiration or revelation in these callings. There’s just more caution and more checking the higher you go.

[sandman45]

I hate hearing stories like this, but I am glad he was caught. A good reminder that ALL of our leaders are "mere mortals" - granted in most cases I think GAs have been well-vetted. But no one is above temptation and failing. I've seen far worse, tbh, and from people that if you knew them you would never think them capable of hurting a fly.

Doubt it. I bet there are many GAs that get away with things. Just a few years ago one was excommunicated for child sex abuse.

Wherever there is authority and power and money that’s where people get corrupted by it. Also many scumbags are attracted to having that power and authority and strive and will do anything to “climb the ladder”. And yes there is a ladder within church hierarchy