If Trump Goes....

[lundbaek]

First let me make it clear that I did not vote for Donald Trump for POTUS. However, he seems to have been the best bet among the Republican candidates to frustrate the treasonous intentions of the globalist elite. If the conspiracy of the globalist elite is successful in toppling the presidency of President Trump, what do you think will change? My prediction would be acceleration of the globalist goal to create a borderless country, subservient to a one-world government and economic system. America will be flooded with people of foreign cultures and ideologies which will eventually prevail. The US Constitution will be no longer applicable, or be rewritten to accommodate totalitarianism. Americans will be ruled by persons who have hated America and Americans, and will be anxious to strip us of our national and personal wealth.

There are optimists who believe that Americans will finally see thru the politically motivated charade playing out in the media, and maybe even re-elect Trump to another term as POTUS. I don't envision that happening. I believe America is beyond the point of no return, that the US Constitution will be scorned and disdained. The only hope I have is that the Lord will honour the prophecies of Joseph Smith and some subsequent latter-day prophets that the so-called "elders of Israel" will rescue it - however that will happen.

[Alaris]

First let me make it clear that I did not vote for Donald Trump for POTUS. However, he seems to have been the best bet among the Republican candidates to frustrate the treasonous intentions of the globalist elite. If the conspiracy of the globalist elite is successful in toppling the presidency of President Trump, what do you think will change? My prediction would be acceleration of the globalist goal to create a borderless country, subservient to a one-world government and economic system. America will be flooded with people of foreign cultures and ideologies which will eventually prevail. The US Constitution will be no longer applicable, or be rewritten to accommodate totalitarianism. Americans will be ruled by persons who have hated America and Americans, and will be anxious to strip us of our national and personal wealth.

There are optimists who believe that Americans will finally see thru the politically motivated charade playing out in the media, and maybe even re-elect Trump to another term as POTUS. I don't envision that happening. I believe America is beyond the point of no return, that the US Constitution will be scorned and disdained. The only hope I have is that the Lord will honour the prophecies of Joseph Smith and some subsequent latter-day prophets that the so-called "elders of Israel" will rescue it - however that will happen.

Over time these snakes reveal the true intentions more and more. If they topple Trump, they will be that much more emboldened. I believe the judgements of God are just about to rain down upon them - I believe there is a scripture about them fighting amongst themselves. As justice gets closer, they will begin to betray each other to save their own skins imho.

I AM had a good post in a last days timeline thread, linking three scriptures together that seem to paint a picture of the Kingdom of God being born from such or similar chaos. I believe its all related - as the judgements come down upon these scum, the righteous will gather and become a mighty fortress.

[Alaris]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/former ... ent-effort

[Blessourlove]

Most days I believe that America is beyond the point of no return. I agree that we won't be able to recognize what America once was in just a few years. And most people won't have a vision of what it should be. Hopefully I am wrong about this.

Many of the bills being presented in numerous states seeking to mandate vaccines, require mandatory home visits by a health care worker when you have a baby (passed in Oregon and being talked about in Washington), and require home visits by school district officials if your kids are homeschooled (Iowa) are just more instances of the attacks on our freedom. I have NEVER been scared to be a mother in this world before recently. Losing my God given right to decide what is best for my children is terrifying. I find myself having to constantly remind myself faith over fear. Thankfully the Lord is so loving and merciful and reassures me. These are the very same things that are waking people up though. I see groups of parents from all over the country taking a stand, so maybe all is not lost. Maybe the globalists thought we were asleep enough and pushed too hard too fast. Their plan may backfire.

Either way I am preparing my children to help restore the Constitution after the chaos that will come.

[lundbaek]

Most days I believe that America is beyond the point of no return. I agree that we won't be able to recognize what America once was in just a few years. And most people won't have a vision of what it should be. Hopefully I am wrong about this.

Many of the bills being presented in numerous states seeking to mandate vaccines, require mandatory home visits by a health care worker when you have a baby (passed in Oregon and being talked about in Washington), and require home visits by school district officials if your kids are homeschooled (Iowa) are just more instances of the attacks on our freedom. I have NEVER been scared to be a mother in this world before recently. Losing my God given right to decide what is best for my children is terrifying. I find myself having to constantly remind myself faith over fear. Thankfully the Lord is so loving and merciful and reassures me. These are the very same things that are waking people up though. I see groups of parents from all over the country taking a stand, so maybe all is not lost. Maybe the globalists thought we were asleep enough and pushed too hard too fast. Their plan may backfire.

Either way I am preparing my children to help restore the Constitution after the chaos that will come.

Blessourlove, good on you for doing what you can to prepare your children to help restore the Constitution after the chaos that will come. Please share with us what you are doing. I'm always open to the ideas of others.

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What scares me is that if the Democrats regain the excutive branch, and God forbid, maintain the House and retake the Senate in January 2021, they will most certainly embrace revenge politics against not just Trump, but all of his voters. They will come up with all kinds of legislation like extreme gun control as seen in California and New York, expanded "hate speech laws" allowing for more censorship laws to be used against their political opponents and suppression of their ideas in media. Feminism will be force fed to everyone, the so-called Black Lives Matter group will be coddled and appeased resulting in tight Federal control over local law enforcement agencies and criminalization of self defense (at least against anyone who is a protected class). I'm convinced it will lead to a hot civil war if the Democrat Party retakes both chambers of Congress and the Presidency a couple years from now. We are already in the middle of a Cold Civil War. I see the Democrat Party as a far bigger threat to freedom and prosperity in this country than Russia, China, or ISIS.

[tmac]

Lundbeck wrote:

[Trump] seems to have been the best bet among the Republican candidates to frustrate the treasonous intentions of the globalist elite. . . . [But] I believe America is beyond the point of no return, that the US Constitution will be scorned and disdained. . . . The only hope I have is that the Lord will honour the prophecies of Joseph Smith and some subsequent latter-day prophets that the so-called "elders of Israel" will rescue it - however that will happen.

I completely agree with Lundbeck about what is going on, but seriously question where in the Church there can be found many "elders of Israel" capable of any such rescue. And to the extent they do exist, they have little, if any, support from Church leadership, and are completely scoffed and scorned by 99% of Church membership, who seem to be almost completely on-board for all the conditions that will bring about the demise of Constitutional principles.

Bundys are some of the few who have actually stood-up and done anything. Although they were completely vindicated in the courts, Church leadership condemned them, and general Church membership offered almost nothing but ridicule. They received far more support outside the Church.

Who/where are the Elders of Israel who will actually stand-up and rescue Freedom and Liberty?

[ajax]

We need to stop caring about national candidates and start thinking locally to solve our problems. True federalism and nullification is what we need to focus on.

[lundbaek]

Lundbeck wrote:

[Trump] seems to have been the best bet among the Republican candidates to frustrate the treasonous intentions of the globalist elite. . . . [But] I believe America is beyond the point of no return, that the US Constitution will be scorned and disdained. . . . The only hope I have is that the Lord will honour the prophecies of Joseph Smith and some subsequent latter-day prophets that the so-called "elders of Israel" will rescue it - however that will happen.

I completely agree with Lundbeck about what is going on, but seriously question where in the Church there can be found many "elders of Israel" capable of any such rescue. And to the extent they do exist, they have little, if any, support from Church leadership, and are completely scoffed and scorned by 99% of Church membership, who seem to be almost completely on-board for all the conditions that will bring about the demise of Constitutional principles.

Bundys are some of the few who have actually stood-up and done anything. Although they were completely vindicated in the courts, Church leadership condemned them, and general Church membership offered almost nothing but ridicule. They received far more support outside the Church.

Who/where are the Elders of Israel who will actually stand-up and rescue Freedom and Liberty?

I am finding more and more Latter-day Saints who are aware of the NWO conspiracy and of the need to rescue the US Constitution and freedom and liberty. Obviously the LDS freedom battlers are a long way from even a healthy % of Church members, but they are out there. I find them in the John Birsh Society, in the Arizona Constitutionalists group, as well as a small % among fellow ward and stake members. It seems most don't know what to do with their awareness. And some of us are working on that too. But I am becoming increasingly aware of the dangers to the church activity of many members by trying to educate them with too much too soon.

[lundbaek]

Tmac posed a really good question: "Who/where are the Elders of Israel who will actually stand-up and rescue Freedom and Liberty?" I've wrestled with that question myself for some years now. Some latter-day Saints seem to think that when the time is right the Prophet will put out the call and all or many of the active Church members will respond by quickly learning the principles of the US Constitution and responding to the call, but think they can ignore the matter for now. I don't put much faith in that theory, but instead, try to persuade people to start now doing exactly what President Benson told us we MUST DO nearly 32 years ago: "learn the principles of the Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers", and start supporting, upholding and abiding by them.

[Original_Intent]

Lundbeck wrote:

[Trump] seems to have been the best bet among the Republican candidates to frustrate the treasonous intentions of the globalist elite. . . . [But] I believe America is beyond the point of no return, that the US Constitution will be scorned and disdained. . . . The only hope I have is that the Lord will honour the prophecies of Joseph Smith and some subsequent latter-day prophets that the so-called "elders of Israel" will rescue it - however that will happen.

I completely agree with Lundbeck about what is going on, but seriously question where in the Church there can be found many "elders of Israel" capable of any such rescue. And to the extent they do exist, they have little, if any, support from Church leadership, and are completely scoffed and scorned by 99% of Church membership, who seem to be almost completely on-board for all the conditions that will bring about the demise of Constitutional principles.

Bundys are some of the few who have actually stood-up and done anything. Although they were completely vindicated in the courts, Church leadership condemned them, and general Church membership offered almost nothing but ridicule. They received far more support outside the Church.

Who/where are the Elders of Israel who will actually stand-up and rescue Freedom and Liberty?

Back in the early 90s, when I joined the John Birch Society, I used to ask Will Christensen things like "How many Birchers are there?" I just felt so isolated, I was the only person who showed up regularly to meetings, and there were maybe a half dozen who showed up sporadically. One of whom was outspoken racist and we had tot ell him eventually that his views weren't welcome.

I can relate to what you and lundbaek have expressed about just wondering who really cares about the constitution, and my experience was not very many. I literally on my own was going door to door trying to talk to people about "An Enemy Hath Done This" and even in the center of Mormon-dom (Provo) very few people had the time or interest. Probably the best success I had back then was I organized a fireside that Hans V. Anderson agreed to come speak at about his book "The Book of Mormon and the Constitution". I really promoted it and we ended up about half filling the chapel. I apologized to Hans afterwards for the poor turnout and he said he was actually really pleased, it was the best turnout he had ever had for his presentation.

Ron Paul's 2008 presidential campaign (I got involved in early 2007) was really the first time I saw a glimmer of real hope. There was a true grass-roots effort, and there were many more of us than the media ever allowed the public to know about. That was when I searched out LDSFF as well, looking for fellow like-minded LDS. And I am happy to say I feel like I have met some real choice individuals. Some of them soured on Ron Paul when he spent a lot of campaign contributions into building "educational structures" or for other reasons. Lots of really good people with a sound understanding not only of constitutional principles, but how important understanding and promoting good government is as a part of the gospel.I'm so grateful for that.


Sadly, the majority, while I think they are well-intentioned, remain quite bound to a statist philosophy and see men like Mitt Romney as exceptional candidates. Certainly that seems to be the majority in my ward and among church membership in general. It does seem that more here have a little more discernment. While Trump has more than his share of flaws I am certainly glad he won over the alternative - even though he had to do it without my vote. I am grateful and I do think he is almost single handedly forestalling the destruction of our country. I don't know if he is doing so intentionally and is part of a plan as Q suggests, or if he just doesn't like to be told what to do. Whatever the reason, I am glad he is fighting for our country. For sure he needs to be reined in and kept within his constitutional authority (and the same holds true for Pelosi, AOC, and the rest of the rabid progressives the RINOs and the out-of-control Supreme Court.) but I feel he is the best person in the white house in decades.

[I AM]

Lundbeck wrote:

[Trump] seems to have been the best bet among the Republican candidates to frustrate the treasonous intentions of the globalist elite. . . . [But] I believe America is beyond the point of no return, that the US Constitution will be scorned and disdained. . . . The only hope I have is that the Lord will honour the prophecies of Joseph Smith and some subsequent latter-day prophets that the so-called "elders of Israel" will rescue it - however that will happen.

I completely agree with Lundbeck about what is going on, but seriously question where in the Church there can be found many "elders of Israel" capable of any such rescue. And to the extent they do exist, they have little, if any, support from Church leadership, and are completely scoffed and scorned by 99% of Church membership, who seem to be almost completely on-board for all the conditions that will bring about the demise of Constitutional principles.

Bundys are some of the few who have actually stood-up and done anything. Although they were completely vindicated in the courts, Church leadership condemned them, and general Church membership offered almost nothing but ridicule. They received far more support outside the Church.

Who/where are the Elders of Israel who will actually stand-up and rescue Freedom and Liberty?

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The Lord's remnant

"A hard fact of Isaiah’s end-time scenario is that it is not those who appear to be God’s people whom God saves in the end but those who are rejected by the majority. These “outcasts” suffer “reproach” and “ridicule,” are “excluded” from God’s people, and, like God’s servant who gathers them, are “despised” and “abhorred” until God reverses their circumstances (Isaiah 49:7–8; 51:7; 60:15–16; 61:7, 9; 66:5–8). In the end, those who are excluded and betrayed by their own people, are gathered with God’s righteous remnant: “Thus says my Lord Jehovah, who gathers up the outcasts of Israel: ‘I will gather others to those already gathered’” (Isaiah 56:3, 8).

[harakim]

I think part of the key is learning how to build community. That is the biggest skill lacking today. Without community, it's just the globalists vs a million families (one at a time). With community, it could be the globalists vs a community of million families.

[Blessourlove]

Blessourlove, good on you for doing what you can to prepare your children to help restore the Constitution after the chaos that will come. Please share with us what you are doing. I'm always open to the ideas of others.

Obviously this is something that I'm sure there is room for improvement on. So if you have other ideas, please share them.

I homeschool my kids. First and foremost we study the Gospel. We discuss the warnings to our day of the awful state most will awaken to one day (sure wish they would already wake up). We are currently in the middle of a course on the Constitution. My oldest (who is 16) and I have also discussed The Communist Manifesto and other materials to see Satan's counterfeit to freedom. We have studied the Revolutionary War as well as the time leading up to it and the founding of the government. We have also studied the Civil War and discussed the politics causing it. As I teach them I always try to present all sides and then discuss and encourage them to seek the truth. It hasn't failed me yet (knock on wood). We are participating in the TJED freedom convention in the month of March (online). My little ones only pick up on bits and pieces of our study, so I know I will be repeating it over and over.

My husband is an elected official (at a county level). They have learned quite a bit about the voting process and the importance of local government through their dad. If the weather holds, I'm taking a few of them to our state's capital this week for a hearing on a bill we are opposed to that is in committee stage.

Most importantly I hope I have instilled in them the courage and desire to stand up for freedom...to always stand for what's right. Last year I read about a man who was executed by the Nazis for being a resistance fighter. Then I read about how his brother was also along with two of his sisters' husbands. They then detailed how his other four siblings all were a part of the resistance on some level. I remember thinking wow how did all eight of these kids grow up willing to be heroes? I dug a little more and found out that it was quite simple. His dad had been a Lutheran writer. They were taught about God. Their mother had been a teacher and had homeschooled all of them. They weren't taught the propaganda by the state. I hope my kids are willing to be the unpopular gamechangers.

[Original_Intent]

I think part of the key is learning how to build community. That is the biggest skill lacking today. Without community, it's just the globalists vs a million families (one at a time). With community, it could be the globalists vs a community of million families.

Exactly, however it has been said that getting libertarians to work together is like herding cats. Even if you don't consider yourself libertarian, the same holds true for most freedom lovers. It was one of the great things about the Ron Paul campaigns, especially the 2008 iteration. There was truly a diverse group that mostly worked very well together and worked hard for a purpose.

I do 100% agree with you, and I have gone over the problem of HOW to do it in my head many times, I've spent countless hours considering it. The "vision" (I use quotes because I am not claiming revelation in this case, but I did "see" very clearly in my mind) that everyone needs to focus on themselves and their families - learn and live correct principles - and your influence will radiate outwards. And over time, like-minded individuals will be brought together by the spirit, and create that community.

[Alaris]

I think part of the key is learning how to build community. That is the biggest skill lacking today. Without community, it's just the globalists vs a million families (one at a time). With community, it could be the globalists vs a community of million families.

This is clearly what President Nelson has been doing.

Elders get to know your High Priests
Wards learn how to solve problems by he Spirit
Wards and families take responsibility for educating each other
Wards minister by the Spirit rather than check boxes
Families stay close with your missionaries
Etc

[kittycat51]

Did anybody watch the 60 minutes Andrew McCabe interview? UNBELIEVABLE. That's what you call thumbing your nose. AND STILL there will be people who think the deep state is a conspiracy.

[Mark]

First let me make it clear that I did not vote for Donald Trump for POTUS. However, he seems to have been the best bet among the Republican candidates to frustrate the treasonous intentions of the globalist elite. If the conspiracy of the globalist elite is successful in toppling the presidency of President Trump, what do you think will change? My prediction would be acceleration of the globalist goal to create a borderless country, subservient to a one-world government and economic system. America will be flooded with people of foreign cultures and ideologies which will eventually prevail. The US Constitution will be no longer applicable, or be rewritten to accommodate totalitarianism. Americans will be ruled by persons who have hated America and Americans, and will be anxious to strip us of our national and personal wealth.

There are optimists who believe that Americans will finally see thru the politically motivated charade playing out in the media, and maybe even re-elect Trump to another term as POTUS. I don't envision that happening. I believe America is beyond the point of no return, that the US Constitution will be scorned and disdained. The only hope I have is that the Lord will honour the prophecies of Joseph Smith and some subsequent latter-day prophets that the so-called "elders of Israel" will rescue it - however that will happen.

This excellent article about sums it up..

https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... alism.html

[tmac]

Yes, great article. Thanks for sharing.

Progressivism = the desire to concentrate and centralize all power -- political, economic, etc.

[nightlight]

We need to stop caring about national candidates and start thinking locally to solve our problems. True federalism and nullification is what we need to focus on.

But then folks would have to DO stuff...not just say stuff. Who has that kind of time?

JK great post, 100% right.

#The Free State of Ajax

[justme]

The 25th ammendment was a very important addition to our Constitution. If the time ever comes to invoke Section 4 of it I hope that we will have enough adults in the room with the courage to step up and do it.