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Again, you come home and find someone crawling through your kitchen window, another picking your lock and another setting up camp on the front lawn.
Or you go to work, and someone brings a gun...Fiannan wrote: ↑February 19th, 2019, 8:06 amAgain, you come home and find someone crawling through your kitchen window, another picking your lock and another setting up camp on the front lawn.
Is that an emergency for you?
AURORA, Ill. – The victims of a gunman's rampage at a manufacturing plant were memorialized in a prayer vigil Sunday as authorities investigated how the killer had a firearm almost five years after his permit was revoked.
The Aurora Prayer Coalition and area churches hosted the vigil at the Henry Pratt Co., where police said Gary Martin fatally shot five co-workers and wounded six other people, including five police officers, before being killed in a gunfight.
About 1,700 people gathered in snow and freezing drizzle at the site, heads bowed as clergy led them in prayer two days after what the Rev. Dan Haas described as "senseless killings."
“All of these were relatively young people – many of them were very young people. We will never know their gifts and talents. Their lives were snuffed out way too short,” Haas said of the victims, who included a 21-year-old university student on his first day as an intern.
The Kane County Coroner’s Office said autopsies performed on three victims – Russell Beyer, 47, Trevor Wehner, 21, and Clayton Parks, 32 – determined a preliminary cause of their deaths as multiple gunshot wounds. An autopsy on Martin, 45, resulted in the same findings, the coroner's office said.
The wounded officers ranged in age from 24 to 53. Aurora police said two remained hospitalized Sunday, and both were expected to survive.
At the vigil, Aurora Mayor Richard C. Irvin told the crowd: “When I thought about the words that I might share with our community and the families of the victims today, I thought to myself that just to simply offer condolences is not enough. It doesn’t measure the amount of pain that we feel, for the loss that we’ve experienced in this community.”
Martin, a 15-year employee, had been called into a meeting and was being fired when he began shooting, authorities said. Three people at the meeting, including human resources intern Wehner on his first day at work, were among the victims.
Police secure the area aftera shooting at the Henry Pratt Co. on Feb. 15 in Aurora, Ill.
Police secure the area aftera shooting at the Henry Pratt Co. on Feb. 15 in Aurora, Ill. (Photo11: Scott Olson, Getty Images)
"I love you so much bro," his brother Thomas wrote on Facebook. "I remember all the times we would fight but no matter what happened I still loved you. Rest easy big bro. I’m so proud of you. I’ll miss being that annoying little brother to you."
Parks was the human resources manager and Beyer a mold operator. Also killed were plant manager Josh Pinkard and fork lift operator Vicente Juarez.
The company is owned by Mueller Water Products, and President Scott Hall pledged to "continue to work closely with all local, state and federal law enforcement agencies involved. We are grateful to them for their swift and tremendous response efforts."
Martin had his gun permit revoked in 2014 after a background check turned up a felony conviction in Mississippi, Aurora Police Chief Kristen Ziman said.
“He was not supposed to be in possession of a gun,” Ziman said.
More: Rampage victims include HR manager, intern and forklift operator
More: Gunman in shooting rampage had 6 prior arrests in Aurora
Martin was issued a firearms ID in January 2014 and applied to purchase a Smith & Wesson handgun from an Aurora gun dealer two months later. Days later, when Martin applied for a conceal carry permit, it was discovered he had a felony conviction in 1995 for aggravated assault in Mississippi.
Martin's conceal carry permit was rejected, and his firearms ID was revoked by Illinois State Police.
Ziman said state police should have sent Martin a letter informing him that he was illegally in possession of a firearm and needed to turn in his weapon. Police are trying to determine whether that letter was sent and why the gun was never turned in.
In addition to the Mississippi conviction, Martin had been arrested six times by Aurora police, including once in 2008 for a domestic matter. He was arrested in 2017 in nearby Oswego for disorderly conduct and criminal damage to property.
Of all the multiple, myriad and legion of violations of the Constitution that have occurred over the course of the past 150 years, which had, for all practical purposes, already shredded it to the point of being almost non-recognizable in terms of practice and application, I haven't seen you show any significant interest in any of the other constitutional issues and violations.I find it interesting all the excuses for ignoring a violation of the Constitution.
What do you think is going on right now, in this thread?tmac wrote: ↑February 19th, 2019, 8:17 amOf all the multiple, myriad and legion of violations of the Constitution that have occurred over the course of the past 150 years, which had, for all practical purposes, already shredded it to the point of being almost non-recognizable in terms of practice and application, I haven't seen you show any significant interest in any of the other constitutional issues and violations.I find it interesting all the excuses for ignoring a violation of the Constitution.
What is your excuse for focusing only on this perceived violation, while completely ignoring all the others? Does it really have anything to do with principle? Or does it have only to do with personality? Principle vs. Personality? Do you stand on principle no matter which way the wind blows, or WHO is involved?
Like Thomas Jefferson said, in matters of fashion, swim with the current, but in matters of principle, Stand like Rock.
Can you demonstrate that when it comes to Constitutional principles -- regardless of who is involved -- that you stand like a rock?
If you think so, don't tell us, show us.
http://rangefire.us/2018/10/31/horse-se ... s-macleod/
All you've shown is that you hate the personality involved. Beyond all your cheap, troll-like talk, show us what you have done. Show us some kind of track record of standing for the Constitution or Constitutional principles, and actually doing something about it. Show us anything you have done that can't be done while sitting on your backside.What do you think is going on right now, in this thread?
Now THAT’s something to consider also.
Why are you name calling? This is a simple violation of the Constitution. I didn't vote for Trump, which shows I was correct considering what he is doing.tmac wrote: ↑February 19th, 2019, 8:30 amAll you've shown is that you hate the personality involved. Beyond all your cheap, troll-like talk, show us what you have done. Show us some kind of track record of standing for the Constitution or Constitutional principles, and actually doing something about it. Show us anything you have done that can't be done while sitting on your backside.What do you think is going on right now, in this thread?
What? Please, be serious and answer the question, or at least pretend to know what Romney would say or do:Or you go to work, and someone brings a gun...
Who did you vote for, Hillary? McMuffin?I didn't vote for Trump, which shows I was correct considering what he is doing.
Call the police.Fiannan wrote: ↑February 19th, 2019, 8:38 amWhat? Please, be serious and answer the question, or at least pretend to know what Romney would say or do:Or you go to work, and someone brings a gun...
Again, you come home and find someone crawling through your kitchen window, another picking your lock and another setting up camp on the front lawn.
Is that an emergency for you?
That is what Trump is...the police.Arenera wrote: ↑February 19th, 2019, 8:49 amCall the police.Fiannan wrote: ↑February 19th, 2019, 8:38 amWhat? Please, be serious and answer the question, or at least pretend to know what Romney would say or do:Or you go to work, and someone brings a gun...
Again, you come home and find someone crawling through your kitchen window, another picking your lock and another setting up camp on the front lawn.
Is that an emergency for you?
Trump isn't the police. How many of the people Trump surrounded himself are going to jail? Why would Trump say build a wall while employing illegal immigrants at his golf courses?Fiannan wrote: ↑February 19th, 2019, 8:52 amThat is what Trump is...the police.Arenera wrote: ↑February 19th, 2019, 8:49 amCall the police.Fiannan wrote: ↑February 19th, 2019, 8:38 amWhat? Please, be serious and answer the question, or at least pretend to know what Romney would say or do:Or you go to work, and someone brings a gun...
Again, you come home and find someone crawling through your kitchen window, another picking your lock and another setting up camp on the front lawn.
Is that an emergency for you?
Albert Pike had the same idea: https://tomremington.com/2015/11/12/alb ... nihilists/Thinker wrote: ↑February 19th, 2019, 8:35 amNow THAT’s something to consider also.
“In his revealing book, Out of Control, distributed privately among the elite of the Bilderbergers, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission and other groups, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Rockefeller operative and former National Security Advisor to President Jimmy Carter, declared that the New World Order cannot be built on a foundation of politics and economics alone. To truly establish ironclad global control over all peoples and nations, Brzezinski explained that the elite must also use the religious element.”
Ever heard of "executive powers?" I remember even being exposed to that in high school. Did you miss that class?Trump isn't the police. How many of the people Trump surrounded himself are going to jail? Why would Trump say build a wall while employing illegal immigrants at his golf courses?
If Trump was such a fine boy, why did the Democrats get the House, and by a large margin. He can keep throwing meat to his radical base, but as the mid-terms showed, there are more people that dislike him, and for good reason.
All your posts sound like they are plagiarized from an NPR script. Trump probably shouldn't declare a national emergency for this. Is it constitutional? I don't know. He allocated money for construction through the military. I think we have a serious military threat by having an open border so that is a reasonable use for those funds. I don't want to have to live with the aftermath of the Venezuela invasion and the consequential influx across the southern border. However, the Supreme Court is the one that gets to interpret the constitution, not you, not NPR, not Congress and not Trump.Arenera wrote: ↑February 19th, 2019, 8:59 amTrump isn't the police. How many of the people Trump surrounded himself are going to jail? Why would Trump say build a wall while employing illegal immigrants at his golf courses?Fiannan wrote: ↑February 19th, 2019, 8:52 amThat is what Trump is...the police.Arenera wrote: ↑February 19th, 2019, 8:49 amCall the police.Fiannan wrote: ↑February 19th, 2019, 8:38 am
What? Please, be serious and answer the question, or at least pretend to know what Romney would say or do:
Again, you come home and find someone crawling through your kitchen window, another picking your lock and another setting up camp on the front lawn.
Is that an emergency for you?
If Trump was such a fine boy, why did the Democrats get the House, and by a large margin. He can keep throwing meat to his radical base, but as the mid-terms showed, there are more people that dislike him, and for good reason.
The House will pass the Joint Resolution. The Senate should pass it. The President will veto it.In a call with reporters, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Rep. Joaquin Castro, a Texas Democrat and the author of the resolution, argued that Trump's emergency declaration undermined Congress's constitutional power of the purse.
"The President's act is lawless," Pelosi said. "It does violence to our Constitution and therefore to our democracy. His declaration strikes at the heart of our Founders' concept of America, which demands separation of powers."
Well there is a huge difference between protecting and securing our southern border via emergency declarations and using said power to attack constitutional rights of actual American citizens as an act of political retribution.