POLL: What would you do if the Church accepts homosexuality?

[Silas]

A lot of really judgmental comments going on in here. All I know is if I lived in a world where attraction and sex to women was scorned and vilified.....and people get beat up because of it.....I would never "choose" that.....it would happen to me because that is who I am. I could try to marry a man and carry on like I am in some sort of fulfilling and loving relationship, but it would be a lie. Eventually, I would leave and go find a woman I could be happy with.

The saddest part of all is that this dude felt like he needed to "fit in" to a cookie cutter life lest he be thrown away like trash by everyone in his life back in the 1960's Bruce R. McConkie era of Mormonism.

Your sweetness and understanding keeps people trapped in sin and encourages behavior that destroys people’s lives and families. If you want to help people start speaking the truth to them. No one here has beat up a gay person. That’s nonsense. And this sodomite is having praise heaped on him for destroying his family because no one understands why he just needs to have orgasms with men. He doesn’t need that and you help no one by validating that false and evil lie.

There is nothing special about being gay. If this man announced that the was leaving his wife because society is so cruel that they just don’t understand why he needs to have sex with beautiful young women you probably would have an easier time condemning his actions for clearly being hedonistic and selfish. If he went on about how he just has extra super special desires that he can’t control and that’s why he needs to have lots of sex with different women. You would call him a narcissistic dirt bag.

Gays aren’t special. They don’t need sex. Things like covenants commitment and chastity matter more than him getting off in the particular way he would like. He is a cruel and selfish man who thinks that indulging his sexual desires is more important than what anyone else in his life needs from him.

Tell people the truth. The gospel works. Immerse yourself in prayer and scriptures. Turn from your abominations and dedicate yourself to Christ! Deny yourself of all ungodliness. You don’t need to wallow in shame forever. You just need to experience enough guilt so that you can understand you were wrong. Once you’ve got that you can ask Christ to take away your guilt like Enos did and he will! Then you move forward and know that you aren’t special and God’s love and laws will work just as well for you as they will anyone else. That is what homosexuals and everyone else who is sexually broken needs to do. If we aren’t directing them to the master healer then we don’t really care for them. If we encourage their self deceptions we just aid them in getting more deeply trapped in sin.

Condemn sin and wickedness and preach Christ’s redemption. That is the only way to love someone who is doing wrong.

[mahalanobis]

A lot of really judgmental comments going on in here. All I know is if I lived in a world where attraction and sex to women was scorned and vilified.....and people get beat up because of it.....I would never "choose" that.....it would happen to me because that is who I am. I could try to marry a man and carry on like I am in some sort of fulfilling and loving relationship, but it would be a lie. Eventually, I would leave and go find a woman I could be happy with.

The saddest part of all is that this dude felt like he needed to "fit in" to a cookie cutter life lest he be thrown away like trash by everyone in his life back in the 1960's Bruce R. McConkie era of Mormonism.

Forgive me if I'm skeptical of rationale used to justify breaking up a family.

[SettingDogStar]

A lot of really judgmental comments going on in here. All I know is if I lived in a world where attraction and sex to women was scorned and vilified.....and people get beat up because of it.....I would never "choose" that.....it would happen to me because that is who I am. I could try to marry a man and carry on like I am in some sort of fulfilling and loving relationship, but it would be a lie. Eventually, I would leave and go find a woman I could be happy with.

The saddest part of all is that this dude felt like he needed to "fit in" to a cookie cutter life lest he be thrown away like trash by everyone in his life back in the 1960's Bruce R. McConkie era of Mormonism.

Your sweetness and understanding keeps people trapped in sin and encourages behavior that destroys people’s lives and families. If you want to help people start speaking the truth to them. No one here has beat up a gay person. That’s nonsense. And this sodomite is having praise heaped on him for destroying his family because no one understands why he just needs to have organisms with men. He doesn’t need that and you help no one by validating that false and evil lie.

There is nothing special about being gay. If this man announced that the was leaving his wife because society is so cruel that they just don’t understand why he needs to have sex with beautiful young women you probably would have an easier time condemning his actions for clearly being hedonistic and selfish. If he went on about how he just has extra super special desires that he can’t control and that’s why he needs to have lots of sex with different women. You would call him a narcissistic dirt bag.

Gays aren’t special. They don’t need sex. Things like covenants commitment and chastity matter more than him getting off in the particular way he would like. He is a cruel and selfish man who thinks that indulging his sexual desires is more important than what anyone else in his life needs from him.

Tell people the truth. The gospel works. Immerse yourself in prayer and scriptures. Turn from your abominations and dedicate yourself to Christ! Deny yourself of all ungodliness. You don’t need to wallow in shame forever. You just need to experience enough guilt so that you can understand you were wrong. Once you’ve got that you can ask Christ to take away your guilt like Enos did and he will! Then you move forward and know that you aren’t special and God’s love and laws will work just as well for you as they will anyone else. That is what homosexuals and everyone else who is sexually broken needs to do. If we aren’t directing them to the master healer then we don’t really care for them. If we encourage their self deceptions we just aid them in getting more deeply trapped in sin.

Condemn sin and wickedness and preach Christ’s redemption. That is the only way to love someone who is doing wrong.

Hot dang. Couldn't have said it better myself. The healing process applies to all who are sexually "broken", from light pornography usage to full on sex offender. The Lord will help anyone and everyone that comes to Him, for anything. Time to stop gilding the lily with gold to make it look pretty, sweet, and kind, because it's going to kill the lily.

[mahalanobis]

In Babylon, it's "Don't judge, don't judge"...

Until it's a racist, or a rapist, or a church leader that stands his ground. Then there's plenty of judgement with no redemption. How sad.

The racist, the rapist, the murderers, adulterers, all need the atonement like the rest of us. I don't judge them, but if they start justifying their sins with the philosophies of men mingled with scripture, then I make a judgement call on that ideology. There's a difference.

[EmmaLee]

The LDS Church as a whole has not accepted gay marriage, but individual members certainly have, including current Bishops. Our "friends" in Riverton just posted photos of a baby blessing of a lesbian couple, with the blessing being given by the Bishop of the ward they live in. As I said on another thread, the tide is turning. Some of us, especially in the US and Canada, who oppose gay marriage will soon be ostracized for our beliefs, even if the Church is still holding the line.

The blessing was performed in the Relief Society room of the Centennial Park/Highbury Ward Building in West Valley City, UT.

Salt Lake Hunter Stake.
Bishop Hurst (Highbury ward) or Bishop Layton (Centennial Park ward).

https://ldsminds.com/the-fable-of-the-camel/

The Fable of the Camel
By Spencer W. Kimball

A camel and his owner were traveling across the desert sand dunes when a wind storm came up.

The traveler quickly set up his tent and moved in, closing the flaps to protect himself from the cutting, grinding sands of the raging storm. The camel was of course left outside, and as the violent wind hurled the sand against his body and into his eyes and nostrils he found it unbearable and finally begged for entrance into the tent.

“There is room only for myself,” said the traveler.

“But may I just get my nose in so I can breathe air not filled with sand?” asked the camel.

“Well, perhaps you could do that,” replied the traveler, and he opened the flap ever so little and the long nose of the camel entered. How comfortable the camel was now! But soon the camel became weary of the smarting sand on his eyes and ears … :

“The wind-driven sand is like a rasp on my head. Could I put just my head in?”

Again, the traveler rationalized that to acquiesce would do him no damage, for the camel’s head could occupy the space at the top of the tent which he himself was not using. So the camel put his head inside and the beast was satisfied again—but for a short while only.

“Just the front quarters,” he begged, and again the traveler relented and soon the camel’s front shoulders and legs were in the tent. Finally, by the same processes of pleading and of yielding, the camel’s torso, his hind quarters and all were in the tent. But now it was too crowded for the two, and the camel kicked the traveler out into the wind and storm.

Like the camel, Lucifer readily becomes the master when one succumbs to his initial blandishments. Soon then the conscience is stilled completely, the evil power has full sway, and the door to salvation is closed until a thorough repentance opens it again.

The importance of not accommodating temptation in the least degree is underlined by the Savior’s example. Did not he recognize the danger when he was on the mountain with his fallen brother, Lucifer, being sorely tempted by that master tempter? He could have opened the door and flirted with danger by saying, “All right, Satan, I’ll listen to your proposition. I need not succumb, I need not yield, I need not accept—but I’ll listen.”

Christ did not so rationalize. He positively and promptly closed the discussion, and commanded: “Get thee hence, Satan,” meaning, likely, “Get out of my sight—get out of my presence—I will not listen—I will have nothing to do with you.” Then, we read, “the devil leaveth him.” [Matthew 4:10–11.]

This is our proper pattern, if we would prevent sin rather than be faced with the much more difficult task of curing it. As I study the story of the Redeemer and his temptations, I am certain he spent his energies fortifying himself against temptation rather than battling with it to conquer it.

[Aprhys]

Accepting homosexuality is part of what I would call that new "temptation cannot be resisted" movement. What if I identify as an alcoholic? Is that just who I am, and now you must accept me without judgement? Where does it stop?

Make no mistake, the LDS Church does NOT accept homosexuality, and those people who try to say we accept it are either living in denial, being led astray, or they're trying to lead others astray. However, there's a HUGE difference between accepting homosexuality (which would be wrong) and accepting people who have SSA, temptations, desires, and even sinful acts, but we are all sinners, and the church tries to help ALL saints back to God, not just those who fit the "normal" mold.

Yet. Give it time and you will see gays sealed in the temple. Think about it. Would you ever hear Pres.Kimball talk about homosexuality in a positive light? How about Pres. Benson? No! They would condemn it in the strongest terms. Would either of them authorize church funds go towards a group promoting the gay lifestyle? Absolutely not. The worlds views are changing for the worse. Remember that demographics determine destiny. So many LDS people are becoming more and more supportive of gay lifestyles. My SIL openly supports gay sealings and she is as strait-laced LDS as they come. There are many more out there who support her opinions. I believe that this subject will eventually lead to the fracturing of the church much as polygamy did in the past.

[Art Vandelay]

My SIL openly supports gay sealings and she is as strait-laced LDS as they come.

Apparently she isn't nearly as straight-laced as you thought and most certainly not anything close to as straight laced LDS as they come.

[skmo]

Give it time and you will see gays sealed in the temple.

That is not possible. Doing this would completely contradict God's Words in the family proclamation:

"...Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose.…"

"...God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between man and woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife.…"

"...Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity. Happiness…"

There is no wiggle room in this for those under satan's sway to bend, fold, subvert, or pervert the plain, simple truth: marriage, as ordained by God, is only between man and woman, husband and wife. Children deserve to have a father AND a mother.

I believe that this subject will eventually lead to the fracturing of the church much as polygamy did in the past.

I'll agree here. People who demand that God's Holy Temples be used for a perversion of marriage will be driven to start their own politically correct church which denounces God's prophet. Perhaps they will be like Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris who left the church for a time, but eventually repented and were re-baptized (something about which I'm familiar.) Perhaps they'll be like David Whitmer and Sidney Rigdon who left the church but never came back.

Regardless, it's true that those who maintain faithfulness in the true gospel of God's restored church will face great persecution, and those who bend about with every wind of (political) doctrine will blow like leaves.

[Chip]

The idea of two MEN getting sealed for ETERNITY is just so messed up. Without being able to make children, they'd be in quite the rut together.

What if men using the sealing power create sealing effects which God doesn't undo, for better or for worse? Then, truly, these sodomites would bring disaster upon themselves.

[Elizabeth]

We all know our Spirits are either Male or Female. There is no debate about it.
Only those influenced and deceived by Lucifer think otherwise.

[investigator]

The idea of two MEN getting sealed for ETERNITY is just so messed up. Without being able to make children, they'd be in quite the rut together.

What if men using the sealing power create sealing effects which God doesn't undo, for better or for worse? Then, truly, these sodomites would bring disaster upon themselves.

That’s why same sex marriage is the “abomination that maketh desolate”.

[dewajack]

I think it's important to remember it wasn't that long ago that President Packer's mention of the Family Proclamation as revelation was redacted by the church itself.

Let's also remember the flak he took for how he worded things while discussing same sex attraction. His words were also edited on that.

Interestingly, his talk on the biggest threats to the church, which were given over 25 years ago seem spot on.

How I see it is there are those at high levels within the church that are divided on this issue, just as the local levels.

When you make concessions to placate a group, the said group expects that to continue until they have what they want. If you intend to not bend on some points then you have to expect a major fight. I want to state here that I believe there are dedicated and sincere disciples of Christ that struggle with same sex attraction, I'm not judging, however, there is a deeper/bigger plot behind all of this that the adversary masks as "tolerance."

It would seem that if the church is being led by revelation, and I believe The Lord's hand is involved and guiding the church, then to me the logical conclusion at somepoint is there will be major persecution and division (much more than today), which drives the church into the wilderness.

The ways of Christ are simply at odds with the world. You can quietly worship and try to play nice for so long before you have to flee or be killed. That's always been the pattern. You can buy time for only so long.

[investigator]

I think it's important to remember it wasn't that long ago that President Packer's mention of the Family Proclamation as revelation was redacted by the church itself.

Let's also remember the flak he took for how he worded things while discussing same sex attraction. His words were also edited on that.

Interestingly, his talk on the biggest threats to the church, which were given over 25 years ago seem spot on.

How I see it is there are those at high levels within the church that are divided on this issue, just as the local levels.

When you make concessions to placate a group, the said group expects that to continue until they have what they want. If you intend to not bend on some points then you have to expect a major fight. I want to state here that I believe there are dedicated and sincere disciples of Christ that struggle with same sex attraction, I'm not judging, however, there is a deeper/bigger plot behind all of this that the adversary masks as "tolerance."

It would seem that if the church is being led by revelation, and I believe The Lord's hand is involved and guiding the church, then to me the logical conclusion at somepoint is there will be major persecution and division (much more than today), which drives the church into the wilderness.

The ways of Christ are simply at odds with the world. You can quietly worship and try to play nice for so long before you have to flee or be killed. That's always been the pattern. You can buy time for only so long.

I think the more likely scenario will be that the church will succumb to societal and governmental pressure to condone, accept and perform same sex marriages much like the church has done previously (respond with changes to doctrine and policies) with plural marriage and blacks and the priesthood. Those that will be forced into the wilderness will be those who are willing to finally acknowledge that the church is no longer lead by revelation but by expediency to preserve it's tax exempt status. Those who have enough courage will leave the church at that time.

[oneClimbs]

I think it would be more likely that the church might first stop conducting marriages altogether (people would get married secularly, down at the courthouse or in a ceremony with another authorized individual to meet the legal requirements) and just have sealings in the temple for male and female couples.

The government cannot force a religion to provide religious rites to anyone. It would be like them forcing us to accept baptism by sprinkling.

Whatever evil devises, God is always smarter.

[Lizzy60]

I think it would be more likely that the church might first stop conducting marriages altogether (people would get married secularly, down at the courthouse or in a ceremony with another authorized individual to meet the legal requirements) and just have sealings in the temple for male and female couples.

The government cannot force a religion to provide religious rites to anyone. It would be like them forcing us to accept baptism by sprinkling.

Whatever evil devises, God is always smarter.

I don't know about government forcing a religion to do something, but the LDS pro-gay marriage folks are starting to talk about how denying gay married couples, as well as all other LGBTQ+ members, access to every rite and privilege of the LDS Church is infringing on their religious liberty. In this case, it's not a matter of the government forcing the Church to do something, but it's the members of the Church claiming that they are being discriminated against when they are denied membership, the sacrament, temple sealings, etc.

It sounds ridiculous, I know, but we have already seen ridiculous things done by the Church to appease homosexuals, so I'm not surprised at this new tactic.

[Silas]

Sometimes I think that when we capitulated in 1890 we gave in to everything else at the same time. I hope the church doesn’t give in to the sodomy mafia. But when is the last time that societal pressure came down on us to such a degree that it was an actual threat and we said no anyway?

[oneClimbs]

I think it would be more likely that the church might first stop conducting marriages altogether (people would get married secularly, down at the courthouse or in a ceremony with another authorized individual to meet the legal requirements) and just have sealings in the temple for male and female couples.

The government cannot force a religion to provide religious rites to anyone. It would be like them forcing us to accept baptism by sprinkling.

Whatever evil devises, God is always smarter.

I don't know about government forcing a religion to do something, but the LDS pro-gay marriage folks are starting to talk about how denying gay married couples, as well as all other LGBTQ+ members, access to every rite and privilege of the LDS Church is infringing on their religious liberty. In this case, it's not a matter of the government forcing the Church to do something, but it's the members of the Church claiming that they are being discriminated against when they are denied membership, the sacrament, temple sealings, etc.

It sounds ridiculous, I know, but we have already seen ridiculous things done by the Church to appease homosexuals, so I'm not surprised at this new tactic.

Yeah, that's a great point. I think this is why the church is taking a stand on religious liberty at this point. It is certainly going to be a tricky thing to navigate, but I don't see homosexual sealings in the temple happening to be honest. There's no doctrinal foundation for it.

[Fiannan]

Sometimes I think that when we capitulated in 1890 we gave in to everything else at the same time. I hope the church doesn’t give in to the sodomy mafia. But when is the last time that societal pressure came down on us to such a degree that it was an actual threat and we said no anyway?

Interesting you bring that up. I remember some time ago reading an article on how Mormons and Pentecostals went from being highly antagonistic to the US government to then being pretty much boot lickers. The author noted that the Church was still getting a lot of hostility from the whole polygamy issue up until the outbreak of WW1. But when the US entered the war the Church became anxious to show that the state of Utah was wholly loyal to the US and became very involved in the patriotic zeal/hysteria at the time. It never really went away after that.

[tdj]

I may have said this before, but the very fact that we are presented with this question and having this discussion AT ALL, tells me that yes, eventually fairly soon we'll be doing queer temple marriage

[RocknRoll]

The LDS Church as a whole has not accepted gay marriage, but individual members certainly have, including current Bishops. Our "friends" in Riverton just posted photos of a baby blessing of a lesbian couple, with the blessing being given by the Bishop of the ward they live in. As I said on another thread, the tide is turning. Some of us, especially in the US and Canada, who oppose gay marriage will soon be ostracized for our beliefs, even if the Church is still holding the line.

The blessing was performed in the Relief Society room of the Centennial Park/Highbury Ward Building in West Valley City, UT.

Salt Lake Hunter Stake.
Bishop Hurst (Highbury ward) or Bishop Layton (Centennial Park ward).

https://ldsminds.com/the-fable-of-the-camel/

The Fable of the Camel
By Spencer W. Kimball

A camel and his owner were traveling across the desert sand dunes when a wind storm came up.

The traveler quickly set up his tent and moved in, closing the flaps to protect himself from the cutting, grinding sands of the raging storm. The camel was of course left outside, and as the violent wind hurled the sand against his body and into his eyes and nostrils he found it unbearable and finally begged for entrance into the tent.

“There is room only for myself,” said the traveler.

“But may I just get my nose in so I can breathe air not filled with sand?” asked the camel.

“Well, perhaps you could do that,” replied the traveler, and he opened the flap ever so little and the long nose of the camel entered. How comfortable the camel was now! But soon the camel became weary of the smarting sand on his eyes and ears … :

“The wind-driven sand is like a rasp on my head. Could I put just my head in?”

Again, the traveler rationalized that to acquiesce would do him no damage, for the camel’s head could occupy the space at the top of the tent which he himself was not using. So the camel put his head inside and the beast was satisfied again—but for a short while only.

“Just the front quarters,” he begged, and again the traveler relented and soon the camel’s front shoulders and legs were in the tent. Finally, by the same processes of pleading and of yielding, the camel’s torso, his hind quarters and all were in the tent. But now it was too crowded for the two, and the camel kicked the traveler out into the wind and storm.

Like the camel, Lucifer readily becomes the master when one succumbs to his initial blandishments. Soon then the conscience is stilled completely, the evil power has full sway, and the door to salvation is closed until a thorough repentance opens it again.

The importance of not accommodating temptation in the least degree is underlined by the Savior’s example. Did not he recognize the danger when he was on the mountain with his fallen brother, Lucifer, being sorely tempted by that master tempter? He could have opened the door and flirted with danger by saying, “All right, Satan, I’ll listen to your proposition. I need not succumb, I need not yield, I need not accept—but I’ll listen.”

Christ did not so rationalize. He positively and promptly closed the discussion, and commanded: “Get thee hence, Satan,” meaning, likely, “Get out of my sight—get out of my presence—I will not listen—I will have nothing to do with you.” Then, we read, “the devil leaveth him.” [Matthew 4:10–11.]

This is our proper pattern, if we would prevent sin rather than be faced with the much more difficult task of curing it. As I study the story of the Redeemer and his temptations, I am certain he spent his energies fortifying himself against temptation rather than battling with it to conquer it.

Nice fable describing how slippery slopes work.

Here's a little alternate ending to that fable…

The Arab never lets the camel put even his nose in the tent. He sleeps soundly and wakes in the morning to find his camel has died of exposure in the terrible storm. He then must try to walk home on his own, but eventually dies of exposure himself. All the while thinking, “if I’d only had a little compassion for the camel…”.

[RocknRoll]

Yet. Give it time and you will see gays sealed in the temple.
Never gonna happen.

Think about it. Would you ever hear Pres.Kimball talk about homosexuality in a positive light? How about Pres. Benson? No! They would condemn it in the strongest terms.

Pres. Benson and Pres. Kimball died over 30 years ago. Times have changed. You have no idea what they would say or do if they were alive today. You're putting words into their mouths.

Would either of them authorize church funds go towards a group promoting the gay lifestyle? Absolutely not.
I don't know if they would or not, and neither do you.

The worlds views are changing for the worse. Remember that demographics determine destiny. So many LDS people are becoming more and more supportive of gay lifestyles. My SIL openly supports gay sealings and she is as strait-laced LDS as they come. There are many more out there who support her opinions.

Good for her/them! They are showing compassion, acceptance and love for their fellow man. Maybe we can all learn something from them?

I believe that this subject will eventually lead to the fracturing of the church much as polygamy did in the past.

And that was a bad thing? Are you of the opinion that we should still practice polygamy? Maybe the few that are so ant-gay will eventually go live in the desert of southern Utah. They can hold rally's and yell about how terrible those awful gays are and how much holier they are than them.

[oneClimbs]

I may have said this before, but the very fact that we are presented with this question and having this discussion AT ALL, tells me that yes, eventually fairly soon we'll be doing queer temple marriage

We talk a lot about a lot of things here that are probably never going to happen as well

[Lizzy60]

QUOTE: The worlds views are changing for the worse. Remember that demographics determine destiny. So many LDS people are becoming more and more supportive of gay lifestyles. My SIL openly supports gay sealings and she is as strait-laced LDS as they come. There are many more out there who support her opinions.

Good for her/them! They are showing compassion, acceptance and love for their fellow man. Maybe we can all learn something from them? UNQUOTE
_______________________________________________

There is nothing compassionate or loving about accepting gay marriage, and lobbying for gay sealings. Homosexual acts are perverted and degrading, and condemned by God. We can all show love for our brothers and sisters, even homosexuals, without approving and "loving" their sins. Believe me, sodomy and other homosexual acts are ugly sins, and a homosexual marriage is blasphemy. Those who teach our youth and children otherwise will pay a heavy price someday.

[Silas]

Sometimes I think that when we capitulated in 1890 we gave in to everything else at the same time. I hope the church doesn’t give in to the sodomy mafia. But when is the last time that societal pressure came down on us to such a degree that it was an actual threat and we said no anyway?

Interesting you bring that up. I remember some time ago reading an article on how Mormons and Pentecostals went from being highly antagonistic to the US government to then being pretty much boot lickers. The author noted that the Church was still getting a lot of hostility from the whole polygamy issue up until the outbreak of WW1. But when the US entered the war the Church became anxious to show that the state of Utah was wholly loyal to the US and became very involved in the patriotic zeal/hysteria at the time. It never really went away after that.

Yeah. Something happened in 1890. We caved and we’ve never been able to say no since then.

Even the way we speak about homosexuality displays a corrupting desire to be accepted by the world. We don’t call it sodomy we don’t call it evil. We don’t call it a crime against nature (which it is). We are constantly trying to modify and soften our position. If we say anything that mildly opposes it then the sodomites come and say that we made a kid kill himself.

If hearing that someone disapproves of your lifestyle makes you suicidal that is an admission that the manner in which you are living your life is destructive. and you yourself do not have confidence in it. If homosexuality was perfectly valid and just as good as a heterosexual relationship then why would you threaten to kill yourself when someone disagrees with you? Why wouldn’t you just blow them off and go about your business?

Times have changed? It is current year? These excuses are nonsense. The unchanging eternal law of God doesn’t change. This attitude distorts our view of normal sexuality as well. Since procreation isn’t possible in homosexuality and if homosexuality is okay then the purpose of sexuality must primarily be for selfish pleasure. Try getting a guy to quit porn if he is working with those premises. Not going to happen.

The primary purpose of sexuality is procreation. The secondary purpose is facilitating pair bonding so that children can grow up under the umbrella of a loving marriage. That’s it. Pleasure is a benefit, not a purpose. Making pleasure the purpose can only bring disorder and selfishness.

There is no way that the church can claim homosexuality is compatible with the restored gospel. Yet church leaders seem to be subtly signaling that is what they will attempt to do. I would absolutely love to find out I’m wrong about this. But there isn’t anything I can point to and say, “See! Here is that time that they threatened us and we told them to go to hell”. We’ve always caved eventually.

[EmmaLee]

The LDS Church as a whole has not accepted gay marriage, but individual members certainly have, including current Bishops. Our "friends" in Riverton just posted photos of a baby blessing of a lesbian couple, with the blessing being given by the Bishop of the ward they live in. As I said on another thread, the tide is turning. Some of us, especially in the US and Canada, who oppose gay marriage will soon be ostracized for our beliefs, even if the Church is still holding the line.

The blessing was performed in the Relief Society room of the Centennial Park/Highbury Ward Building in West Valley City, UT.

Salt Lake Hunter Stake.
Bishop Hurst (Highbury ward) or Bishop Layton (Centennial Park ward).

https://ldsminds.com/the-fable-of-the-camel/

The Fable of the Camel
By Spencer W. Kimball

A camel and his owner were traveling across the desert sand dunes when a wind storm came up.

The traveler quickly set up his tent and moved in, closing the flaps to protect himself from the cutting, grinding sands of the raging storm. The camel was of course left outside, and as the violent wind hurled the sand against his body and into his eyes and nostrils he found it unbearable and finally begged for entrance into the tent.

“There is room only for myself,” said the traveler.

“But may I just get my nose in so I can breathe air not filled with sand?” asked the camel.

“Well, perhaps you could do that,” replied the traveler, and he opened the flap ever so little and the long nose of the camel entered. How comfortable the camel was now! But soon the camel became weary of the smarting sand on his eyes and ears … :

“The wind-driven sand is like a rasp on my head. Could I put just my head in?”

Again, the traveler rationalized that to acquiesce would do him no damage, for the camel’s head could occupy the space at the top of the tent which he himself was not using. So the camel put his head inside and the beast was satisfied again—but for a short while only.

“Just the front quarters,” he begged, and again the traveler relented and soon the camel’s front shoulders and legs were in the tent. Finally, by the same processes of pleading and of yielding, the camel’s torso, his hind quarters and all were in the tent. But now it was too crowded for the two, and the camel kicked the traveler out into the wind and storm.

Like the camel, Lucifer readily becomes the master when one succumbs to his initial blandishments. Soon then the conscience is stilled completely, the evil power has full sway, and the door to salvation is closed until a thorough repentance opens it again.

The importance of not accommodating temptation in the least degree is underlined by the Savior’s example. Did not he recognize the danger when he was on the mountain with his fallen brother, Lucifer, being sorely tempted by that master tempter? He could have opened the door and flirted with danger by saying, “All right, Satan, I’ll listen to your proposition. I need not succumb, I need not yield, I need not accept—but I’ll listen.”

Christ did not so rationalize. He positively and promptly closed the discussion, and commanded: “Get thee hence, Satan,” meaning, likely, “Get out of my sight—get out of my presence—I will not listen—I will have nothing to do with you.” Then, we read, “the devil leaveth him.” [Matthew 4:10–11.]

This is our proper pattern, if we would prevent sin rather than be faced with the much more difficult task of curing it. As I study the story of the Redeemer and his temptations, I am certain he spent his energies fortifying himself against temptation rather than battling with it to conquer it.

Nice fable describing how slippery slopes work.

Here's a little alternate ending to that fable…

The Arab never lets the camel put even his nose in the tent. He sleeps soundly and wakes in the morning to find his camel has died of exposure in the terrible storm. He then must try to walk home on his own, but eventually dies of exposure himself. All the while thinking, “if I’d only had a little compassion for the camel…”.

False "compassion" - supporting people in their sins, condoning sinful behavior, will keep plenty of people away from God in the end. Your choice, of course.