POLL: What would you do if the Church accepts homosexuality?

[Lizzy60]

In Our Lovely Deseret......

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2019/07/peo ... axtjjErrnE

This article points out the LGBTQ-positive actions the Utah state legislature has taken recently, with the LDS Church leadership's approval.

[TIFI]

This will never happen. That is it.

[Fiannan]

In Our Lovely Deseret......

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2019/07/peo ... axtjjErrnE

This article points out the LGBTQ-positive actions the Utah state legislature has taken recently, with the LDS Church leadership's approval.

Approval? I thought that the relationship of the Church and the legislature of Utah is somewhat akin to that of the Shia leadership in Iran and their parliament. Iran has an elected parliament and president. Yes, they have elections. However, if any legislation is opposed on the grounds that it violates Islam then the Shia leaders can veto it.

[Aprhys]

This will never happen. That is it.

Oh really? How much money and how many times has the church given money to gay groups? How many times has the church donated to lets say, a veterans group? The church is definitely being coopted by supporters of LGBTQ lifestyles. Either that pr they are afraid of what these groups can do to them and are trying to make peace with them.

[TIFI]

If church leaders learned anything from the past is diplomacy. If we stop that, “then our houses will burn again”. We are already most hated religion. Leave this matters to them. If you would watch all the talks from general conference, you would understand that.

[gkearney]

In Our Lovely Deseret......

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2019/07/peo ... axtjjErrnE

This article points out the LGBTQ-positive actions the Utah state legislature has taken recently, with the LDS Church leadership's approval.

Approval? I thought that the relationship of the Church and the legislature of Utah is somewhat akin to that of the Shia leadership in Iran and their parliament. Iran has an elected parliament and president. Yes, they have elections. However, if any legislation is opposed on the grounds that it violates Islam then the Shia leaders can veto it.

Here’s a fun fact the same is true in the UK and the Commonwealth realms. Any legislation passed by the parliament must get Royal assent from Queen Elizabeth or her representative before becoming law. This is a check against the politicians in parliament doing crazy stuff.

[nightlight]

In Our Lovely Deseret......

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2019/07/peo ... axtjjErrnE

This article points out the LGBTQ-positive actions the Utah state legislature has taken recently, with the LDS Church leadership's approval.

Approval? I thought that the relationship of the Church and the legislature of Utah is somewhat akin to that of the Shia leadership in Iran and their parliament. Iran has an elected parliament and president. Yes, they have elections. However, if any legislation is opposed on the grounds that it violates Islam then the Shia leaders can veto it.

Here’s a fun fact the same is true in the UK and the Commonwealth realms. Any legislation passed by the parliament must get Royal assent from Queen Elizabeth or her representative before becoming law. This is a check against the politicians in parliament doing crazy stuff.

Does this include Canada(royal assent)?

Who checks them???

This is why a people need a inspired DOCUMENT...to hold the standard. Men are not to be trusted with this power.

[gkearney]

Here’s a fun fact the same is true in the UK and the Commonwealth realms. Any legislation passed by the parliament must get Royal assent from Queen Elizabeth or her representative before becoming law. This is a check against the politicians in parliament doing crazy stuff.

Does this include Canada(royal assent)?

Who checks them???

This is why a people need a inspired DOCUMENT...to hold the standard. Men are not to be trusted with this power.

Yes, this includes Canada and the other Commonwealth Realm. The way it works is that in each of the realms, as well as the provinces there's an office appointed by the government and accepted by the Queen to act as her agent in that nation (Canada in our example.) or province. At the national level this office is known as the Governor General at the provincial level they are known as simply Governors. These officials are not part of the government and indeed can't even vote, neither can Queen Elizabeth or her household I would add.

Now the powers of royal assent to bills or more precisely to reject a bill, is very, very seldom employed, as is their powers to dissolve parliament upon their own authority, but the powers are there so as to prevent the politicians in parliament from going out and violating the rights of Her Majesties subjects. Because these powers are so seldom invoked any time they are it is viewed as being a matter of the most serious nature.

As to your comment about a document being needed, and Canada has such a document known as the Charter of Rights and Freedoms (not all realms have such I will point out.) The problem there is that a document alone is unable to defend itself against an attack upon it. This has been shown all to well in recent events. It takes the good will of people, be it the electorate, political leadership or in this case a non-political leader such as the Queen to defend our rights. A bit of paper is not enough in and of itself no matter how inspired the word written upon it might be,.

[nightlight]

Here’s a fun fact the same is true in the UK and the Commonwealth realms. Any legislation passed by the parliament must get Royal assent from Queen Elizabeth or her representative before becoming law. This is a check against the politicians in parliament doing crazy stuff.

Does this include Canada(royal assent)?

Who checks them???

This is why a people need a inspired DOCUMENT...to hold the standard. Men are not to be trusted with this power.

Yes, this includes Canada and the other Commonwealth Realm. The way it works is that in each of the realms, as well as the provinces there's an office appointed by the government and accepted by the Queen to act as her agent in that nation (Canada in our example.) or province. At the national level this office is known as the Governor General at the provincial level they are known as simply Governors. These officials are not part of the government and indeed can't even vote, neither can Queen Elizabeth or her household I would add.

Now the powers of royal assent to bills or more precisely to reject a bill, is very, very seldom employed, as is their powers to dissolve parliament upon their own authority, but the powers are there so as to prevent the politicians in parliament from going out and violating the rights of Her Majesties subjects. Because these powers are so seldom invoked any time they are it is viewed as being a matter of the most serious nature.

As to your comment about a document being needed, and Canada has such a document known as the Charter of Rights and Freedoms (not all realms have such I will point out.) The problem there is that a document alone is unable to defend itself against an attack upon it. This has been shown all to well in recent events. It takes the good will of people, be it the electorate, political leadership or in this case a non-political leader such as the Queen to defend our rights. A bit of paper is not enough in and of itself no matter how inspired the word written upon it might be,.

You're right, an idea is worthless if people don't uphold it

[Elizabeth]

This has not stopped Britain being taken over by Muslims and Negroes.

Any legislation passed by the parliament must get Royal assent from Queen Elizabeth or her representative before becoming law. This is a check against the politicians in parliament doing crazy stuff.

[gkearney]

This has not stopped Britain being taken over by Muslims and Negroes.

Any legislation passed by the parliament must get Royal assent from Queen Elizabeth or her representative before becoming law. This is a check against the politicians in parliament doing crazy stuff.

Matters of immigration are for the elected members of parliament to decide. It is not a matter grave enough to invoke a rejection by means of Royal Assent. For that to happen you have to have something really off the scale bad. For example a law that would round up all such subjects of Her Majesty without trial and lock them away in concentration camps based on their race or religion. Such would be an affront to their liberties as understood in the Magna Carta and Common Law.

By the way Elizabeth this same system of Royal Assent is employed in Australia and its states it's just that you seldom hear of it as it is so rarely invoked. However the dismissal of the Government by the Governor General did happen once when the Whitman government was so dismissed when it could not pass a budget. One of the few constitutional duties the Queen has is to insure a functioning government within her realms.

[Jakealdrich5]

I don't think the church will ever accept Gay marriage but If they did the church would be in a state of apostasy

[mahalanobis]

I don't think the church will ever accept Gay marriage but If they did the church would be in a state of apostasy

Just curious, what do you think these poll percentages would be among mainstream tithe-paying active members in North America? - Assuming they could answer anonymously without repercussion in either direction

(I'm not looking for a specific answer, just throwing it out there)

[Lizzy60]

The LDS Church as a whole has not accepted gay marriage, but individual members certainly have, including current Bishops. Our "friends" in Riverton just posted photos of a baby blessing of a lesbian couple, with the blessing being given by the Bishop of the ward they live in. As I said on another thread, the tide is turning. Some of us, especially in the US and Canada, who oppose gay marriage will soon be ostracized for our beliefs, even if the Church is still holding the line.

The blessing was performed in the Relief Society room of the Centennial Park/Highbury Ward Building in West Valley City, UT.

Salt Lake Hunter Stake.
Bishop Hurst (Highbury ward) or Bishop Layton (Centennial Park ward).

[Elizabeth]

[Lizzy60]

I don't think the church will ever accept Gay marriage but If they did the church would be in a state of apostasy

Just curious, what do you think these poll percentages would be among mainstream tithe-paying active members in North America? - Assuming they could answer anonymously without repercussion in either direction

(I'm not looking for a specific answer, just throwing it out there)

I believe we are approaching 50%.

[Lizzy60]

The LDS Church as a whole has not accepted gay marriage, but individual members certainly have, including current Bishops. Our "friends" in Riverton just posted photos of a baby blessing of a lesbian couple, with the blessing being given by the Bishop of the ward they live in. As I said on another thread, the tide is turning. Some of us, especially in the US and Canada, who oppose gay marriage will soon be ostracized for our beliefs, even if the Church is still holding the line.

The blessing was performed in the Relief Society room of the Centennial Park/Highbury Ward Building in West Valley City, UT.

Salt Lake Hunter Stake.
Bishop Hurst (Highbury ward) or Bishop Layton (Centennial Park ward).

Just a reminder -- be careful with photos online. I found the ward and stake with some hints in the background of the photo they posted on Facebook, with the help of LDS meetinghouse finder, and knowing this was in Utah.

[RocknRoll]

The LDS Church as a whole has not accepted gay marriage, but individual members certainly have, including current Bishops. Our "friends" in Riverton just posted photos of a baby blessing of a lesbian couple, with the blessing being given by the Bishop of the ward they live in. As I said on another thread, the tide is turning. Some of us, especially in the US and Canada, who oppose gay marriage will soon be ostracized for our beliefs, even if the Church is still holding the line.

The blessing was performed in the Relief Society room of the Centennial Park/Highbury Ward Building in West Valley City, UT.

Salt Lake Hunter Stake.
Bishop Hurst (Highbury ward) or Bishop Layton (Centennial Park ward).

Maybe I’m misunderstanding. Are you concerned that a lesbian couple’s baby was blessed by their bishop? So…if you happen to have gay parents, you don’t deserve a blessing?

[Lizzy60]

The LDS Church as a whole has not accepted gay marriage, but individual members certainly have, including current Bishops. Our "friends" in Riverton just posted photos of a baby blessing of a lesbian couple, with the blessing being given by the Bishop of the ward they live in. As I said on another thread, the tide is turning. Some of us, especially in the US and Canada, who oppose gay marriage will soon be ostracized for our beliefs, even if the Church is still holding the line.

The blessing was performed in the Relief Society room of the Centennial Park/Highbury Ward Building in West Valley City, UT.

Salt Lake Hunter Stake.
Bishop Hurst (Highbury ward) or Bishop Layton (Centennial Park ward).

Maybe I’m misunderstanding. Are you concerned that a lesbian couple’s baby was blessed by their bishop? So…if you happen to have gay parents, you don’t deserve a blessing?

Any Priesthood holder could bless their baby. It could be done in their home. They are making a statement with the blessing being done in a ward building by a Bishop. People have commented about what a loving and accepting Bishop he is to do this. This is another example of the inching forward the pro-gay-marriage members who are working to have gay marriages accepted as being as valid as hetero marriage, both morally and legally, in the Church.

[RocknRoll]

The LDS Church as a whole has not accepted gay marriage, but individual members certainly have, including current Bishops. Our "friends" in Riverton just posted photos of a baby blessing of a lesbian couple, with the blessing being given by the Bishop of the ward they live in. As I said on another thread, the tide is turning. Some of us, especially in the US and Canada, who oppose gay marriage will soon be ostracized for our beliefs, even if the Church is still holding the line.

The blessing was performed in the Relief Society room of the Centennial Park/Highbury Ward Building in West Valley City, UT.

Salt Lake Hunter Stake.
Bishop Hurst (Highbury ward) or Bishop Layton (Centennial Park ward).

Maybe I’m misunderstanding. Are you concerned that a lesbian couple’s baby was blessed by their bishop? So…if you happen to have gay parents, you don’t deserve a blessing?

Any Priesthood holder could bless their baby. It could be done in their home. They are making a statement with the blessing being done in a ward building by a Bishop. People have commented about what a loving and accepting Bishop he is to do this. This is another example of the inching forward the pro-gay-marriage members who are working to have gay marriages accepted as being as valid as hetero marriage, both morally and legally, in the Church.

How do you know they did this to “make a statement”? Maybe they are close with this bishop and couldn’t think of anyone they’d rather have bless their baby? I think you are making unfounded assumptions. You’re right, babies can be blessed in the home, so why do we do it in Sacrament Meeting and make a big deal of it?

[Elizabeth]

"Ed Smart, the father of kidnapping survivor and activist Elizabeth Smart, reportedly came out as gay and announced he is divorcing his wife, Lois, in a since-deleted letter shared to Facebook.
In the Facebook post, which was first reported by Salt Lake City newspaper The Deseret News, Ed, 64, reportedly said that sharing the news was “one of the hardest letters I have ever written.” Ed confirmed he wrote the letter to The Deseret News.
“I have recently acknowledged to myself and my family that I am gay,” he wrote, according to the outlet.
“The decision to be honest and truthful about my orientation comes with its own set of challenges, but at the same time it is a huge relief,” he continued, according to The Deseret News. “Living with the pain and guilt I have for so many years, not willing to accept the truth about my orientation has at times brought me to the point where I questioned whether life was still worth living.”
Ed, who is a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, reportedly wrote in the letter that he has “come to a change in my beliefs,” though his faith remains “strong, and unwavering.”
“As an openly gay man, the church is not a place where I find solace any longer,” he wrote. “It is not my responsibility to tell the church, its members or its leadership what to believe about the rightness or wrongness of being LGBTQ.”
He later told KUTV that he is still in good standing with the church.
According to The Salt Lake Tribune, court records show that Ed’s wife Lois — with whom he shares six kids — filed for divorce on July 5.
“Lois has been a loyal wife, and extraordinary mother, who has had to endure an impossible part of this journey,” Ed wrote in his Facebook post, according to The Deseret News. “I deeply regret the excruciating pain this has caused her. Hurting her was never my intent. While our marriage will end, my love for Lois and everyone in my family is eternal.”
In a statement to The Salt Lake Tribune made through a family spokesperson, Elizabeth, 31, said that she supported her parents.
“My parents taught me as a young child that they would love me unconditionally no matter what happened,” she said. “While I am deeply saddened by their separation, nothing could change my love and admiration for them both. Their decisions are very personal. As such, I will not pass judgment and rather am focusing on loving and supporting them and the other members of my family.”

[Art Vandelay]

"Ed Smart, the father of kidnapping survivor and activist Elizabeth Smart, reportedly came out as gay and announced he is divorcing his wife, Lois, in a since-deleted letter shared to Facebook.
In the Facebook post, which was first reported by Salt Lake City newspaper The Deseret News, Ed, 64, reportedly said that sharing the news was “one of the hardest letters I have ever written.” Ed confirmed he wrote the letter to The Deseret News.
“I have recently acknowledged to myself and my family that I am gay,” he wrote, according to the outlet.
“The decision to be honest and truthful about my orientation comes with its own set of challenges, but at the same time it is a huge relief,” he continued, according to The Deseret News. “Living with the pain and guilt I have for so many years, not willing to accept the truth about my orientation has at times brought me to the point where I questioned whether life was still worth living.”
Ed, who is a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, reportedly wrote in the letter that he has “come to a change in my beliefs,” though his faith remains “strong, and unwavering.”
“As an openly gay man, the church is not a place where I find solace any longer,” he wrote. “It is not my responsibility to tell the church, its members or its leadership what to believe about the rightness or wrongness of being LGBTQ.”
He later told KUTV that he is still in good standing with the church.
According to The Salt Lake Tribune, court records show that Ed’s wife Lois — with whom he shares six kids — filed for divorce on July 5.
“Lois has been a loyal wife, and extraordinary mother, who has had to endure an impossible part of this journey,” Ed wrote in his Facebook post, according to The Deseret News. “I deeply regret the excruciating pain this has caused her. Hurting her was never my intent. While our marriage will end, my love for Lois and everyone in my family is eternal.”
In a statement to The Salt Lake Tribune made through a family spokesperson, Elizabeth, 31, said that she supported her parents.
“My parents taught me as a young child that they would love me unconditionally no matter what happened,” she said. “While I am deeply saddened by their separation, nothing could change my love and admiration for them both. Their decisions are very personal. As such, I will not pass judgment and rather am focusing on loving and supporting them and the other members of my family.”

I appreciate that Ed said it isn't his responsibility to tell the church what to believe. Funny that he took it to social media. GO PRIDE!

[mahalanobis]

What a stupid message: "it's worth destroying your family because you're entitled to sex, or the type of sex that brings the most pleasure to you. And if anyone questions your logic or lifestyle, tell them that you contemplate suicide and that they are effectively killing you."

What a poisonous ideology.

You are not entitled to sex. You are not entitled to romance and pleasure and acceptance of lifestyle. It's not a rite of passage as a human. Our society is so twisted and selfish.

[Silas]

What a stupid message: "it's worth destroying your family because you're entitled to sex, or the type of sex that brings the most pleasure to you. And if anyone questions your logic or lifestyle, tell them that you contemplate suicide and that they are effectively killing you."

What a poisonous ideology.

You are not entitled to sex. You are not entitled to romance and pleasure and acceptance of lifestyle. It's not a rite of passage as a human. Our society is so twisted and selfish.

Understanding that there isn’t anything special about homosexuality, that it is just regular old sex addiction, actually helped me come to terms with my porn addiction and start moving past it. I was never gay but hearing them talk about trying to quit it and fail and then play a victim like it’s everyone else’s fault while they destroy their families just sounded a lot like my relationship with porn. Then realizing that it’s all lies and no one is born that way made it a lot easier to move on with my life and start caring about something other than my own pleasure.

The degree of narcissism that it takes for him to use his daughters fame (which she earned from dealing with horrifying trauma) as a means to publicly announce his betrayal of his wife and commitment to hedonism is just astounding. A disgusting guy.

[thestock]

A lot of really judgmental comments going on in here. All I know is if I lived in a world where attraction and sex to women was scorned and vilified.....and people get beat up because of it.....I would never "choose" that.....it would happen to me because that is who I am. I could try to marry a man and carry on like I am in some sort of fulfilling and loving relationship, but it would be a lie. Eventually, I would leave and go find a woman I could be happy with.

The saddest part of all is that this dude felt like he needed to "fit in" to a cookie cutter life lest he be thrown away like trash by everyone in his life back in the 1960's Bruce R. McConkie era of Mormonism.