Which Freedoms are Left?

[The Airbender]

The thread a little while ago asked what freedom looks like.

I wanted to ask a follow-up question: What freedoms do we have left? Name one area of life that is not under the thumb of or at least not indirectly affected by government overreach.

[lundbaek]

A tough question for me. I think I can donate money, goods, advice and time to whom ever I wish. Please feel free to shoot that one full of holes.

I feel free to say what I want to say.

[gkearney]

I work as an editorial cartoonist, I do not feel that the government has any say over what I draw about or the opinions that I express in those drawing. We cartoonists are given a rather wide berth, at least in the U.S. and Canada we are.

[lundbaek]

I work as an editorial cartoonist, I do not feel that the government has any say over what I draw about or the opinions that I express in those drawing. We cartoonists are given a rather wide berth, at least in the U.S. and Canada we are.

I wonder if the government would come down on gkearney's employer or clients if he did a cartoon that suggested the cause of 9-11 was much different than what the FedGov has said it was.

[gkearney]

I work as an editorial cartoonist, I do not feel that the government has any say over what I draw about or the opinions that I express in those drawing. We cartoonists are given a rather wide berth, at least in the U.S. and Canada we are.

I wonder if the government would come down on gkearney's employer or clients if he did a cartoon that suggested the cause of 9-11 was much different than what the FedGov has said it was.

It would be my clients as I am in independent syndication. Because my cartoons focus on state and local issues I would not likely be drawing such a cartoon however there are cartoonists who have drawn such cartoons on that subject. They are still working so far as I know. There are very, very few editorial cartoonists so if they did come down on one of us we would likely all know about it and our union (yes there really is a union for editorial cartoonists) would likely have a total fit over it. Our union leadership is very activist about anything they see as interfering with our liberty to draw as we see fit.

[gigarath24]

Here in the United States, I still have the freedom to call sin what it really is, as I would if I lived in Switzerland, Hong Kong, Chile, and very few other countries. You can't say that homosexuality is an abomination and that men are men and women are women in Canada without fear of fines or if you don't pay them jail time since it's "hate" speech. You can't say that the Queen of England is a false prophetess and her church is of the Devil in the UK. You can't say that Islam is a Satanic faith in france and in many parts of the world. You can't publicly preach in the name of Jesus Christ in almost every Islamic Nation, with the exception of Morocco and perhaps Turkey. When there are only about 7 nations on earth that offer true freedom of speech, only about 8 that offer true freedom to bear arms, and only 5 that have a legal precedent for the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. We are living in a very scary world.

[captainfearnot]

I'm pretty much free to marry whomever I please. I can marry outside my race. If it doesn't work out I can get a no-fault divorce. Or, I can choose not to marry and just cohabitate.

All three of these things were against the law in most parts of the US a hundred years ago.

[righteousrepublic]

We're free to cogitate.

[tmac]

I seriously question the whole notion that we actually are free to engage in free speech, freedom of expression, freedom to associate, freedom to assemble, associate and/or freedom of the press -- all depending on WHO we are and WHAT we are talking about -- without government retaliation.

Some links addressing cases in point:

https://www.opb.org/news/series/electio ... ee-speech/

http://rangefire.us/2018/09/01/federal- ... acfarlane/

http://rangefire.us/2018/04/01/in-searc ... acfarlane/

http://rangefire.us/2018/04/03/fair-wea ... acfarlane/

What I find interesting, though, is how few people -- including active LDS -- are even interested in discussing "Principles of Liberty," let alone DOING anything about any of this, as evidenced by the lack of participation in such discussions on a fairly well-developed "Freedom Forum."

Fundamental Freedoms are preserved and protected not by talking, but by DOING -- standing-up, exercising the freedoms, and actually fighting for them. But in terms of walking the walk versus talking the talk, fewer and fewer seem willing to even talk about it, let alone do much walking.

[lundbaek]

I'm reminded of a university professor who published a paper that contradicted the FedGov explanation of 9-11. I strongly suspect (actually, I believe) the FedGov prevailed on the university to fire him.

[righteousrepublic]

I seriously question the whole notion that we actually are free to engage in free speech, freedom of expression, freedom to associate, freedom to assemble, associate and/or freedom of the press -- all depending on WHO we are and WHAT we are talking about -- without government retaliation.

Some links addressing cases in point:

https://www.opb.org/news/series/electio ... ee-speech/

http://rangefire.us/2018/09/01/federal- ... acfarlane/

http://rangefire.us/2018/04/01/in-searc ... acfarlane/

http://rangefire.us/2018/04/03/fair-wea ... acfarlane/

What I find interesting, though, is how few people -- including active LDS -- are even interested in discussing "Principles of Liberty," let alone DOING anything about any of this, as evidenced by the lack of participation in such discussions on a fairly well-developed "Freedom Forum."

Fundamental Freedoms are preserved and protected not by talking, but by DOING -- standing-up, exercising the freedoms, and actually fighting for them. But in terms of walking the walk versus talking the talk, fewer and fewer seem willing to even talk about it, let alone do much walking.

Without facing pain, sorrow, discouragement and even death in the preexistence, it must have been easy to stand and accept the Lord's plan for life and, yes, even freedom and liberty. While in the flesh, we prove ourselves, our word and commitment by the various tests of life showing the Lord if we truly meant what we said. The Lord will remember those that live up to their word and those who were and are only full of hot air.

One major difference between now and in Moroni's day is that Moroni went around and compelled people to fight for freedom or lose their own life. Many were eager to fight while others were lacking in standing up for freedom.

Ezra Taft Benson said that once freedom is lost it will take blood to get it back. We may not be far from this test.

[Vision]

Read this https://www.rutherford.org/publications ... should_you

[tmac]

Read this https://www.rutherford.org/publications ... should_you

Hear, hear. Great message.

[righteousrepublic]

The freedoms we have left are those that government hasn't pushed for to take away, ...yet!
Other freedoms we had, people were so easily swayed into giving up.
Freedoms we want back will most likely take blood to get back.
Do we know how bad it is? I would hope some people realize that we are now looked upon as guilty at whatever someone wants to charge you with, and then you must prove your own innocents. And even though you may know without a shadow of doubt you are not guilty, a lawyer will try to talk you into taking a plea deal. Many attorneys have no interest in your innocents, or whether you go to jail, only the money they can make.


Opinion | The plea bargain trap

Justice Matters -- Plea Bargains - why do innocent people plead guilty?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbWRkhHthJA


So why are jails and prisons so overloaded?

[righteousrepublic]

If you want to find out what freedoms you do or do not have simply acquire a high zoom camera and a Go-pro, then go down town and take video of everything and anything from a public sidewalk or place. Then see how long it takes for the cops to come and trample on your right to film because some unknown turkey called the cops and told them that a suspicious person is walking around taking pictures. Then they'll try to ID you and intimidate you until you almost go nuts. They'll tell you that you could be a terrorist or a pervert or whatever they can think of to get you to crack.
And if you do not stand up for your rights, you won't have any. They may even arrest you and put you through hell.

Do you want to know what freedoms are left?


FURRY INDUSTRIES M17A2 ASSAULT CAMERA

Case in point...Zoe, aka Furry Potato was shot by a security guard simply by being on a public sidewalk holding and aiming a camera. To top this, the cops came and put silver bracelets on Furry and patted her down...and she's the victim. Is this freedom? Or is this actions under a police state?

Fortunately, the security guard was charged with felony assault. Yet Furry had to prove her own innocents.

[righteousrepublic]

Warning! Those living in Texas are now deep in doo-doo. Listen to this tyrant throw out threats.

Stir The Pot: Houston Police Union Joe Gamaldi Backtracks And Makes Excuses

Also: Houston Drug Raid: COPS LIED and PEOPLE DIED! (and Their Dog, Too)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpbjodMeS6U

[righteousrepublic]

Response To Houston PD Press Release by Joe Gamaldi -

[Robin Hood]

A tough question for me. I think I can donate money, goods, advice and time to whom ever I wish. Please feel free to shoot that one full of holes.

I feel free to say what I want to say.

Try funding Isis.

[Robin Hood]

Let's face it, we're all free to say and do whatever we want, irrespective of where we live.
We are not free, however, to avoid the consequences. Was it ever thus.

[righteousrepublic]

Chief addresses investigation bombshell in exclusive sit-down interview

[lundbaek]

A tough question for me. I think I can donate money, goods, advice and time to whom ever I wish. Please feel free to shoot that one full of holes.

I feel free to say what I want to say.

Try funding Isis.

Americans and Britons are funding ISIS thru our taxes paid to our respective governments.

[righteousrepublic]

A tough question for me. I think I can donate money, goods, advice and time to whom ever I wish. Please feel free to shoot that one full of holes.

I feel free to say what I want to say.

Try funding Isis.

Americans and Britons are funding ISIS thru our taxes paid to our respective governments.

Would you agree, Lundbaek, that if you were to ask where a good government ever existed, my answer could and should be "City of Enoch?

The next good government will be?

[lundbaek]

I think that Moses established a good government once he followed the advice of his father-in-law Jethro. And apparently the Anglo-Saxons had a good government. Darren knows more about this than I do. The next good government by our standards will be the Kingdom of God, but we gotta get thru the cleansing of America first.

[righteousrepublic]

I think that Moses established a good government once he followed the advice of his father-in-law Jethro. And apparently the Anglo-Saxons had a good government. Darren knows more about this than I do. The next good government by our standards will be the Kingdom of God, but we gotta get thru the cleansing of America first.

There's a cleansing going on as we speak. The righteous are being looked upon as nut cases. Good is turned into bad and vice versa.
Satan is raging in the hearts of men as prophesied. Patriots to the Constitution are now domestic terrorists. Members of the church that have stood up for freedom have been looked upon as evil by the church (it seems that President Benson was wrong when he told members of he church to stand up for freedom) and have been made to look radical. And much more.

Yes, there is a cleansing going on, and the righteous are the victims.

Will a different type of cleansing ever be good for America? Will those being looked upon as wayward children while standing up for freedom finally be recognized as people doing good?

Do we have to wait till our beloved country is finally overrun with wickedness before we can lower our blood pressure and see good days again?

[righteousrepublic]

Just Obey!

Can I lick your boots?

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