Rumor WOW change?

[mirkwood]

There sure are a lot on non members on this page. I wonder why they waste their time here.

[MMbelieve]

If the "rule" concerning tea drinking is relaxed I would be quite pleased.
It's nearly 45 years since I've had a cup of tea.

De-restricting tea may remove an obstacle to the restored gospel in China and India.

RobinHood: You might want to give Rooibos Tea a try, a staple in South Africa it is not caffeinated and is served even at church functions in that country. In South Africa it is just everywhere and LDS consume it as much as anyone else.

My husband served his mission in South Africa, and what you say about Rooibos tea is true. I've been able to find it at the grocery store occasionally, so it's often in our pantry. I was under the impression it was more like an herbal tea...I admit, I've never researched the actual ingredients. It's pretty good stuff.

I drink a lot of herbal tea, sometimes as medicine, sometimes to wind down at night.

Rooibos tea is a good detox tea.
Herbal is the way to go and can be much more efficient and usually safe to use.

[thestock]

Is poppy seed tea against the WoW? :-/

[Rose Garden]

There sure are a lot on non members on this page. I wonder why they waste their time here.

Because this thread has made me laugh harder than anything in a while. Why are you here?

[Rose Garden]

True story. I know a family who were exed for practicing polygamy. There were still welcome to attend church and they did with both wives. They weren't allowed to partake of the sacrament but they felt the Lord wanted them to bring their own. They believed in wine for the sacrament so that's what they brought to church for their personal sacrament, and yes, in one of those bottles. They would pass it among themselves during the sacrament along with the bread they brought with them. Somehow the bishop found out and soon after they received legal papers forbidding them to go on church properties.

Couldn't the wives just have said they were lesbians and everything would have been cool with the Church?

Nasty, Fiannan, nasty!

Am I wrong? What is considered more negative by the Church, lesbians or polygamists?

I have no idea.

But in any case, they weren't lesbians so that would have been lying.

[Col. Flagg]

Wow. The mouthpiece of the Lord told us what hot drinks meant and we still have people trying to twist things. smh.

“HOT drinks are not for the body or belly.” - D&C 89

“The working group found no conclusive evidence that drinking coffee or maté causes cancer. However, the scientists did conclude from their studies that drinking very HOT beverages of almost any type probably causes cancer of the esophagus.
https://www.medicinenet.com/very_hot_be ... /views.htm

Love the part about drinking very hot beverages not being good for your esophagus... ya think? Who's gonna drink something so hot it burns their mouth, tongue, throat and esophagus going down resulting in tissue damage or even cancer?

[Jesef]

I'm sticking with lukewarm beverages & soups.

[Alaris]

This would be a great thread to read after pondering the question: "Why haven't we achieved ZION yet?"

With all the changes reflecting the changing times and seasons, I could totally see a change in the WoW. The WoW was really ahead of its time, not just in regards to health but social impact. Drinking and driving a horse buggy probably wasn't a thing back then. However, with the advent of the millennium, will drinking be allowed again as it was in Jesus' day? It'll be interesting to find out!

[tdj]

I didn't know there was a rumor it would be changed? Should be interesting. But if it's to allow alcohol, then it won't affect our house much if at all. My husband can't touch the stuff at all. He's allergic to it and is liable to break out in handcuffs.
Me, I never liked it. I used to throw back a shot or two when I was sick, but that's only so I could adequately rest. It also helps with strep if you take a few every night along with antibiotics. The stronger the better because while going down your throat, it kills some the bacteria. Which I learned takes away some of the agony of peak infection.
It always struck me as odd that the WoW forbade alcohol when over the counter meds are far worse with all the chemicals, sugars and various junk added.

[JohnnyL]

If the "rule" concerning tea drinking is relaxed I would be quite pleased.
It's nearly 45 years since I've had a cup of tea.

De-restricting tea may remove an obstacle to the restored gospel in China and India.

De-restricting the law of chastity would remove a huge obstacle to people joining the Church all over the world.

But alas, it's not about gaining members, but providing exaltation to members.

[Serragon]

If the "rule" concerning tea drinking is relaxed I would be quite pleased.
It's nearly 45 years since I've had a cup of tea.

De-restricting tea may remove an obstacle to the restored gospel in China and India.

De-restricting the law of chastity would remove a huge obstacle to people joining the Church all over the world.

But alas, it's not about gaining members, but providing exaltation to members.

I believe that is a bit of a stretch.

One is an eternal law necessary for exaltation.

The other is a revelation given to a specific group of people at a specific time that is prefaced by the Lord Himself that it is not to be understood as a commandment.

I believe that treating the WoW in the manner the Lord instructed us would be beneficial to all.

[Col. Flagg]

I didn't know there was a rumor it would be changed? Should be interesting. But if it's to allow alcohol, then it won't affect our house much if at all. My husband can't touch the stuff at all. He's allergic to it and is liable to break out in handcuffs.
Me, I never liked it. I used to throw back a shot or two when I was sick, but that's only so I could adequately rest. It also helps with strep if you take a few every night along with antibiotics. The stronger the better because while going down your throat, it kills some the bacteria. Which I learned takes away some of the agony of peak infection.
It always struck me as odd that the WoW forbade alcohol when over the counter meds are far worse with all the chemicals, sugars and various junk added.

Just take some NyQuil - it's about 20% alcohol and won't violate the WOW. The stuff will knock almost anyone out by bedtime and you sleep like a baby.

[MMbelieve]

This would be a great thread to read after pondering the question: "Why haven't we achieved ZION yet?"

With all the changes reflecting the changing times and seasons, I could totally see a change in the WoW. The WoW was really ahead of its time, not just in regards to health but social impact. Drinking and driving a horse buggy probably wasn't a thing back then. However, with the advent of the millennium, will drinking be allowed again as it was in Jesus' day? It'll be interesting to find out!

I hope they dont allow alcohol or coffee. Those two drinks are prevalant in society (in a bad way) and are a problem in general. And a waste of money.

The problem I see is that the average person does not moderate well or use things such as alcohol or caffeine as they should be used. The command to stay away from it will eventually be lifted as we move to a higher law and wont be commanded in very much at all but if it happens now I would expect we have new threads/websites and talks on the matter helping midigate the problems it could bring.
Lifting the ban and allowing as an a-okay are different to me.

[Col. Flagg]

I don't know where the rumor is coming from which initiated this thread, but I can substantiate it - changes to the WOW started being bantered around before October conference last year and I've been told by 3 separate reliable sources in the know that it's coming and is only a matter of time. President Nelson, being a former physician, knows full well that drinks such as coffee and tea are good for the body when used with moderation and that the WOW is not only antiquated, but non-revelatory. It is one of the items Pres. Eyring was eluding to last August during his address to 50,000 members at Safeco Field in Seattle when he said what most members think is doctrine are merely policies and that the time had come to begin changing those policies.

[ajax]

Cool thing is, the WoW can be modified without even changing a word in Sec 89. Just chalk it up to misinterpretation, er, new revelation.

[JohnnyL]

The WoW is a basic foundation. If you obey it, great. I myself would find it a little hypocritical to ask for the angel of death to pass me by because I obey the commandment of the WoW (letter of the law), but completely blow the spirit of the law "because it wasn't commanded". There's a verse in DC about needing to be commanded in all things, and it very much applies here. Who knows, though, maybe the Spirit is telling lots of people to pig out on junk food, drink soda and monster drinks, watch TV all day, ignore one's own needs, etc. ? Note that the commandment is not based on RESULTS or the ENDS, but on the MEANS or the PROCESS.

Could it be "updated"? Yes. The principle is true; the contents can be adjusted. Perhaps marijuana, cocaine, and everything else will be okay, too--if coffee and tea can be, why not?

[JohnnyL]

Cool thing is, the WoW can be modified without even changing a word in Sec 89. Just chalk it up to misinterpretation, er, new revelation.

Exactly on target: new revelation.

[Alaris]

This would be a great thread to read after pondering the question: "Why haven't we achieved ZION yet?"

With all the changes reflecting the changing times and seasons, I could totally see a change in the WoW. The WoW was really ahead of its time, not just in regards to health but social impact. Drinking and driving a horse buggy probably wasn't a thing back then. However, with the advent of the millennium, will drinking be allowed again as it was in Jesus' day? It'll be interesting to find out!

I hope they dont allow alcohol or coffee. Those two drinks are prevalant in society (in a bad way) and are a problem in general. And a waste of money.

The problem I see is that the average person does not moderate well or use things such as alcohol or caffeine as they should be used. The command to stay away from it will eventually be lifted as we move to a higher law and wont be commanded in very much at all but if it happens now I would expect we have new threads/websites and talks on the matter helping midigate the problems it could bring.
Lifting the ban and allowing as an a-okay are different to me.

The point I'm making is society will change dramatically. Anything that cannot able a Terrestrial law will be uninvited to the wedding. I wonder what beverages will be served

[ajax]

Cool thing is, the WoW can be modified without even changing a word in Sec 89. Just chalk it up to misinterpretation, er, new revelation.

Exactly on target: new revelation.

lol, same as the old.

[Lizzy60]

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The point I'm making is society will change dramatically. Anything that cannot able a Terrestrial law will be uninvited to the wedding. I wonder what beverages will be served

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Wine

[tdj]

If the "rule" concerning tea drinking is relaxed I would be quite pleased.
It's nearly 45 years since I've had a cup of tea.

De-restricting tea may remove an obstacle to the restored gospel in China and India.

I think the reason tea was banned back in Joseph Smith's day is because people routinely put drugs or opiates in their tea. That's potentially harmful. Regular black tea these days is nothing really. It's certainly not nearly as harmful as these soda pops members guzzle down for a substitute. I'm not sure how much caffeine is in tea, but from past experience, I can assure you it's very little.

I don't see the WoW being changes anytime soon to accommodate cocaine, or recreational marijuana. Medicinal marijuana is another story. I've heard friends swear up and down it helped them with seizures and nausea from chemo. I also read where studies show the THC in it MIGHT play a significant role in breaking up the plague in the brain that causes Alzheimer's and dementia.

I made a joke about that a few months ago about how funny it would be if after putting thc smoke in the vents of a nursing home, the old folks got up after hours and raided the kitchen looking for a snack

[thestock]

The WoW is a basic foundation. If you obey it, great. I myself would find it a little hypocritical to ask for the angel of death to pass me by because I obey the commandment of the WoW (letter of the law), but completely blow the spirit of the law "because it wasn't commanded". There's a verse in DC about needing to be commanded in all things, and it very much applies here. Who knows, though, maybe the Spirit is telling lots of people to pig out on junk food, drink soda and monster drinks, watch TV all day, ignore one's own needs, etc. ? Note that the commandment is not based on RESULTS or the ENDS, but on the MEANS or the PROCESS.

Could it be "updated"? Yes. The principle is true; the contents can be adjusted. Perhaps marijuana, cocaine, and everything else will be okay, too--if coffee and tea can be, why not?

Cocaine used to be medicine in this country and marijuana is currently medicine in our society. Drugs are drugs. Use can be benificial but overuse violates WoW principles.

[tdj]

The WoW is a basic foundation. If you obey it, great. I myself would find it a little hypocritical to ask for the angel of death to pass me by because I obey the commandment of the WoW (letter of the law), but completely blow the spirit of the law "because it wasn't commanded". There's a verse in DC about needing to be commanded in all things, and it very much applies here. Who knows, though, maybe the Spirit is telling lots of people to pig out on junk food, drink soda and monster drinks, watch TV all day, ignore one's own needs, etc. ? Note that the commandment is not based on RESULTS or the ENDS, but on the MEANS or the PROCESS.

Could it be "updated"? Yes. The principle is true; the contents can be adjusted. Perhaps marijuana, cocaine, and everything else will be okay, too--if coffee and tea can be, why not?

Cocaine used to be medicine in this country and marijuana is currently medicine in our society. Drugs are drugs. Use can be benificial but overuse violates WoW principles.

I'm not a doctor, or a pharmacist by any stretch, but I think there are many derivatives of cocaine drugs. Anything ending in "caine" is suppose to have some sort of pain relieving properties. I don't remember it's name, but what's that stuff in orajel that numbs gums? It's a mild offshoot from cocaine. The people I know who used it, say that cocaine makes a person feel absolutely fantastic, with an unmatched sense of euphoria. The drawback is that along with that incredible high and euphoria, is the natural inhibitions that keep us from doing something stupid, like jumping off a building, are completely gone. Imagine you wake up in the morning feeling wonderful, and walking on cloud 9, so to speak. You still would have enough sense and inhibition to know that even though you feel wonderful, if you jump off a building, that wonderful feeling would go away. Cocaine removes that constraint in our brains. That's why you hear news stories every so often about a man high on drugs thinking he's superman and tries to fly. Unsuccessfully.

Morphine is usually only used for people who are dying. It's highly addictive and the hallucinations are unreal. My grandpa, who they thought was dying long before he actually did, was given morphine when he had surgery to remove most of his lower bowels from cancer. He wasn't expected to make it, but he went ahead with the surgery. My mom walked in on him staring at the hospital wall just transfixed. She asked him what was going on and he said he was watching a car race. He said there were a bunch of small cars racing up and down the wall, like an Indy 500 race. He KNEW it wasn't real, but he was really enjoying the show and was curious to see who was going to win. He went on to live another 10 yrs after that. The morphine was hard to give up, but a person can't spend their life watching fairies fly around their room all day

[tdj]

The WoW is a basic foundation. If you obey it, great. I myself would find it a little hypocritical to ask for the angel of death to pass me by because I obey the commandment of the WoW (letter of the law), but completely blow the spirit of the law "because it wasn't commanded". There's a verse in DC about needing to be commanded in all things, and it very much applies here. Who knows, though, maybe the Spirit is telling lots of people to pig out on junk food, drink soda and monster drinks, watch TV all day, ignore one's own needs, etc. ? Note that the commandment is not based on RESULTS or the ENDS, but on the MEANS or the PROCESS.

Could it be "updated"? Yes. The principle is true; the contents can be adjusted. Perhaps marijuana, cocaine, and everything else will be okay, too--if coffee and tea can be, why not?

Cocaine used to be medicine in this country and marijuana is currently medicine in our society. Drugs are drugs. Use can be benificial but overuse violates WoW principles.

I'm not a doctor, or a pharmacist by any stretch, but I think there are many derivatives of cocaine drugs. Anything ending in "caine" is suppose to have some sort of pain relieving properties. I don't remember it's name, but what's that stuff in orajel that numbs gums? It's a mild offshoot from cocaine. The people I know who used it, say that cocaine makes a person feel absolutely fantastic, with an unmatched sense of euphoria. The drawback is that along with that incredible high and euphoria, is the natural inhibitions that keep us from doing something stupid, like jumping off a building, are completely gone. Imagine you wake up in the morning feeling wonderful, and walking on cloud 9, so to speak. You still would have enough sense and inhibition to know that even though you feel wonderful, if you jump off a building, that wonderful feeling would go away. Cocaine removes that constraint in our brains. That's why you hear news stories every so often about a man high on drugs thinking he's superman and tries to fly. Unsuccessfully.

Morphine is usually only used for people who are dying. It's highly addictive and the hallucinations are unreal. My grandpa, who they thought was dying long before he actually did, was given morphine when he had surgery to remove most of his lower bowels from cancer. He wasn't expected to make it, but he went ahead with the surgery. My mom walked in on him staring at the hospital wall just transfixed. She asked him what was going on and he said he was watching a car race. He said there were a bunch of small cars racing up and down the wall, like an Indy 500 race. He KNEW it wasn't real, but he was really enjoying the show and was curious to see who was going to win. He went on to live another 10 yrs after that. The morphine was hard to give up, but a person can't spend their life watching fairies fly around their room all day

If I ever have to take morphine, I hope I hallucinate to the point of getting to play in a quiditch match against Slytherin house. Besides, there's a few questions I really want to ask Dumbledore. I've always wanted to meet him. Not the sissy version, but the one from the first two movies.

[abijah]

The WoW is a basic foundation. If you obey it, great. I myself would find it a little hypocritical to ask for the angel of death to pass me by because I obey the commandment of the WoW (letter of the law), but completely blow the spirit of the law "because it wasn't commanded". There's a verse in DC about needing to be commanded in all things, and it very much applies here. Who knows, though, maybe the Spirit is telling lots of people to pig out on junk food, drink soda and monster drinks, watch TV all day, ignore one's own needs, etc. ? Note that the commandment is not based on RESULTS or the ENDS, but on the MEANS or the PROCESS.

Could it be "updated"? Yes. The principle is true; the contents can be adjusted. Perhaps marijuana, cocaine, and everything else will be okay, too--if coffee and tea can be, why not?

Cocaine used to be medicine in this country and marijuana is currently medicine in our society. Drugs are drugs. Use can be benificial but overuse violates WoW principles.

I'm not a doctor, or a pharmacist by any stretch, but I think there are many derivatives of cocaine drugs. Anything ending in "caine" is suppose to have some sort of pain relieving properties. I don't remember it's name, but what's that stuff in orajel that numbs gums? It's a mild offshoot from cocaine. The people I know who used it, say that cocaine makes a person feel absolutely fantastic, with an unmatched sense of euphoria. The drawback is that along with that incredible high and euphoria, is the natural inhibitions that keep us from doing something stupid, like jumping off a building, are completely gone. Imagine you wake up in the morning feeling wonderful, and walking on cloud 9, so to speak. You still would have enough sense and inhibition to know that even though you feel wonderful, if you jump off a building, that wonderful feeling would go away. Cocaine removes that constraint in our brains. That's why you hear news stories every so often about a man high on drugs thinking he's superman and tries to fly. Unsuccessfully.

Morphine is usually only used for people who are dying. It's highly addictive and the hallucinations are unreal. My grandpa, who they thought was dying long before he actually did, was given morphine when he had surgery to remove most of his lower bowels from cancer. He wasn't expected to make it, but he went ahead with the surgery. My mom walked in on him staring at the hospital wall just transfixed. She asked him what was going on and he said he was watching a car race. He said there were a bunch of small cars racing up and down the wall, like an Indy 500 race. He KNEW it wasn't real, but he was really enjoying the show and was curious to see who was going to win. He went on to live another 10 yrs after that. The morphine was hard to give up, but a person can't spend their life watching fairies fly around their room all day

What??? I’ve never heard of cocaine or morphine doing that to anyone.

And I just had an appendectomy a few weeks ago. The nurse doused me with morphine beforehand. It made the Seinfeld reruns in my hospital room a bit more entertaining. I was in pain but I wasn’t dying....

Cocaine doesn’t do anything like that. Morphine doesn’t make you hallucinate. And doctors everywhere give morphine for all sorts of things everyday.