Rumor WOW change?

[Rose Garden]

I think obesity is a psychological problem. That is why people don't stick to diets. It has to do with issues with security and/or substituting food for an inability to feel worthy of human connection.

I absolutely agree that that can be and is a factor for a great many people. At the same time, I think obese people are malnourished people, for the most part, and that they are eating foods that their body stores as fat - because the body wants the stuff that will give it nourishment, the body sends out hunger signals.

I also think that bad habits can play a part. And that there are cases of hormones out of whack.

The worst thing about obesity, in my opinion, is that it makes you a target for unkind people. Like it's some sort of sin so people look down on you and mock you, but it isn't nearly as bad as real sins - the sins we cannot easily see, like lying, cheating, adultery, and so forth.

You forgot judging....

[nvr]

Dr. Pepper has a way with people.. I used to drink soda and noticed how I always felt like taking a nap or crashing on a couch somewhere a half hour after finishing a can. I've heard that by simply dropping calorated beverages only (soda, juice, energy drinks, flavored water, etc) this results in a guaranteed 10-15 lb drop in weight. If people like the fizz, some carbonated mineral water with fresh-squeezed lime or fresh grapefruit juice is a good substitute. Also, I've heard they've done studies on Diet soda and your body doesn't know that it is contains no sugar, it tastes something sweet and starts the insulin going, so you have a sugar crash when drinking diet and end up eating other calorated stuff to compensate for the low blood sugar.

[Rose Garden]

Dr. Pepper has a way with people.. I used to drink soda and noticed how I always felt like taking a nap or crashing on a couch somewhere a half hour after finishing a can. I've heard that by simply dropping calorated beverages only (soda, juice, energy drinks, flavored water, etc) this results in a guaranteed 10-15 lb drop in weight. If people like the fizz, some carbonated mineral water with fresh-squeezed lime or fresh grapefruit juice is a good substitute. Also, I've heard they've done studies on Diet soda and your body doesn't know that it is contains no sugar, it tastes something sweet and starts the insulin going, so you have a sugar crash when drinking diet and end up eating other calorated stuff to compensate for the low blood sugar.

Sorry, that guarantee is wrong. I didn't lose any weight when I quit soda. I did when I quit sweets but not soda.

[Fiannan]

I really, really, really hope they emphasize the part most people neglect - that following the WofW leaves you open to higher spiritual blessing and, thus, declare that obesity prevention is necessary to increase the spirituality of members and the Church in general.

You do realize that several prophets and apostles would struggle with that declaration, right?

Well, just noting what the WofW promises.

[nvr]

Sorry, that guarantee is wrong. I didn't lose any weight when I quit soda. I did when I quit sweets but not soda.

Were you treating soda like a meal? Hmm, that's strange there was no change for you Yeah, dropping sweets in general definitely helps. I remember my mother being excited about finding a source for Entenmann's fat-free pastries and feeling it was all fair game. But they just replaced the fat with extra sugar. She can look back at it now and laugh at her train of logic.

[Fiannan]

Since I don't see people with their Diet Coke right now I don't think this will be an issue.

How do you know diet coke isn't in their cool stainless steel bottles that are so common at Church now?

How do you know that coffee or tea isn't in their cool stainless steel bottle?

True story. I know a family who were exed for practicing polygamy. There were still welcome to attend church and they did with both wives. They weren't allowed to partake of the sacrament but they felt the Lord wanted them to bring their own. They believed in wine for the sacrament so that's what they brought to church for their personal sacrament, and yes, in one of those bottles. They would pass it among themselves during the sacrament along with the bread they brought with them. Somehow the bishop found out and soon after they received legal papers forbidding them to go on church properties.

Couldn't the wives just have said they were lesbians and everything would have been cool with the Church?

[oneClimbs]

Boyd K Packer said that D&C 89 is only “incidentally” related to health. The principles are a key to revelation and it is prophetic in the way that it describes evil and conspiring men and the destroying angel which afflicts many.

I have found particularly valuable hidden treasures and blessings as I have taken to heart the principles regarding the use of animal flesh.

[Rose Garden]

Sorry, that guarantee is wrong. I didn't lose any weight when I quit soda. I did when I quit sweets but not soda.

Were you treating soda like a meal? Hmm, that's strange there was no change for you Yeah, dropping sweets in general definitely helps. I remember my mother being excited about finding a source for Entenmann's fat-free pastries and feeling it was all fair game. But they just replaced the fat with extra sugar. She can look back at it now and laugh at her train of logic.

Lol, no. But I wasn't drinking much soda, come to think of it. Maybe a handful of times per month? But eating sweets was a daily thing.

I never fell for the fat free, sugar free ploys. Always seemed too good to be true.

[Rose Garden]

How do you know diet coke isn't in their cool stainless steel bottles that are so common at Church now?

How do you know that coffee or tea isn't in their cool stainless steel bottle?

True story. I know a family who were exed for practicing polygamy. There were still welcome to attend church and they did with both wives. They weren't allowed to partake of the sacrament but they felt the Lord wanted them to bring their own. They believed in wine for the sacrament so that's what they brought to church for their personal sacrament, and yes, in one of those bottles. They would pass it among themselves during the sacrament along with the bread they brought with them. Somehow the bishop found out and soon after they received legal papers forbidding them to go on church properties.

Couldn't the wives just have said they were lesbians and everything would have been cool with the Church?

Nasty, Fiannan, nasty!

[Rose Garden]

Boyd K Packer said that D&C 89 is only “incidentally” related to health. The principles are a key to revelation and it is prophetic in the way that it describes evil and conspiring men and the destroying angel which afflicts many.

I have found particularly valuable hidden treasures and blessings as I have taken to heart the principles regarding the use of animal flesh.

I had experiences that would suggest the same.

[Juliet]

So, if people are using food to substitute for love, but can't digest it and get the proper nutrients from it, could that be a metaphor that having love isn't enough, you have to be able to digest that love. Meaning, you have to receive the love/food you already have instead of lusting for more more more, since if you can't receive the love/food you have, receiving more will make you sicker instead of healthier?

So, could the secret to ending obesity be to be grateful for all things...in order to be able to digest/fully receive more???

Maybe you don't have as much love as you think you need, but by being grateful for it and accepting it, then you open your heart to be able to receive more. But if you can't be grateful for the love you have, how can more be of any help?

Whoa, that is deep! I didn't expect a post like that on this thread. You could absolutely be spot on. I say that because I am learning how powerful our beliefs really are, and I think there probably are connections within us like what you posted above.

Thank you. That is a personal breakthrough I made after 7 years of struggling and finding that my solution needed to include the psychological component as every thing else was failing me.

[Robin Hood]

If the "rule" concerning tea drinking is relaxed I would be quite pleased.
It's nearly 45 years since I've had a cup of tea.

De-restricting tea may remove an obstacle to the restored gospel in China and India.

[Durzan]

I suspect that if the restrictions on Tea and Coffee are relaxed that the Brethren will say to use them sparingly and with prudence.

[gkearney]

If the "rule" concerning tea drinking is relaxed I would be quite pleased.
It's nearly 45 years since I've had a cup of tea. :cry:

De-restricting tea may remove an obstacle to the restored gospel in China and India.

RobinHood: You might want to give Rooibos Tea a try, a staple in South Africa it is not caffeinated and is served even at church functions in that country. In South Africa it is just everywhere and LDS consume it as much as anyone else.

[Robin Hood]

If the "rule" concerning tea drinking is relaxed I would be quite pleased.
It's nearly 45 years since I've had a cup of tea.

De-restricting tea may remove an obstacle to the restored gospel in China and India.

RobinHood: You might want to give Rooibos Tea a try, a staple in South Africa it is not caffeinated and is served even at church functions in that country. In South Africa it is just everywhere and LDS consume it as much as anyone else.

I have tried it.
It's ok but not as nice as proper tea.
I understand it does contain some caffeine though, just not as much as in black tea.

[thestock]

If the "rule" concerning tea drinking is relaxed I would be quite pleased.
It's nearly 45 years since I've had a cup of tea.

De-restricting tea may remove an obstacle to the restored gospel in China and India.

RobinHood: You might want to give Rooibos Tea a try, a staple in South Africa it is not caffeinated and is served even at church functions in that country. In South Africa it is just everywhere and LDS consume it as much as anyone else.

I have tried it.
It's ok but not as nice as proper tea.
I understand it does contain some caffeine though, just not as much as in black tea.

I'll throw in a plug for Yerba Mate. We were allowed to drink it on my mission in South America and I have grown quite fond of it. It does have some caffeine though.

[abijah]

Its hard to defend the bizarre LDS position that coffee & tea = sin. For missionaries and for members. Mormon Talmudic traditions of the fathers if I ever saw them.

As a missionary I found the dynamic between the modern LDS interpretation of the Word of Wisdom, and basic spiritual honesty, even according to LDS beliefs, to be something of a dance. I got called out multiple times for it, and LDS doctrine left me and others without any real defense except “pray about it”. We had no conversions from that, and why should we?

Why should potential converts need to pray against the very scriptures we ask them to study, and statements of the religion they are actively investigating?

[Fiannan]

How do you know that coffee or tea isn't in their cool stainless steel bottle?

True story. I know a family who were exed for practicing polygamy. There were still welcome to attend church and they did with both wives. They weren't allowed to partake of the sacrament but they felt the Lord wanted them to bring their own. They believed in wine for the sacrament so that's what they brought to church for their personal sacrament, and yes, in one of those bottles. They would pass it among themselves during the sacrament along with the bread they brought with them. Somehow the bishop found out and soon after they received legal papers forbidding them to go on church properties.

Couldn't the wives just have said they were lesbians and everything would have been cool with the Church?

Nasty, Fiannan, nasty!

Am I wrong? What is considered more negative by the Church, lesbians or polygamists?

[mirkwood]

Wow. The mouthpiece of the Lord told us what hot drinks meant and we still have people trying to twist things. smh.

[abijah]

Wow. The mouthpiece of the Lord told us what hot drinks meant and we still have people trying to twist things. smh.

Interesting idea. Should we discuss it further over some iced coffee?

Then again, refrigeration is a fairly new development. Unfortunate for all those “Jesus-drank-grape-juice” advocates.

[Thinker]

Wow. The mouthpiece of the Lord told us what hot drinks meant and we still have people trying to twist things. smh.

“HOT drinks are not for the body or belly.” - D&C 89

“The working group found no conclusive evidence that drinking coffee or maté causes cancer. However, the scientists did conclude from their studies that drinking very HOT beverages of almost any type probably causes cancer of the esophagus.
https://www.medicinenet.com/very_hot_be ... /views.htm

[ajax]

I've done a word search on section 89 and can't find the word caffeine. Can I get some help on this?

[Jesef]

Wow. The mouthpiece of the Lord told us what hot drinks meant and we still have people trying to twist things. smh.

“HOT drinks are not for the body or belly.” - D&C 89

“The working group found no conclusive evidence that drinking coffee or maté causes cancer. However, the scientists did conclude from their studies that drinking very HOT beverages of almost any type probably causes cancer of the esophagus.
https://www.medicinenet.com/very_hot_be ... /views.htm

No more soup either, I guess.

[Davka]

If the "rule" concerning tea drinking is relaxed I would be quite pleased.
It's nearly 45 years since I've had a cup of tea.

De-restricting tea may remove an obstacle to the restored gospel in China and India.

RobinHood: You might want to give Rooibos Tea a try, a staple in South Africa it is not caffeinated and is served even at church functions in that country. In South Africa it is just everywhere and LDS consume it as much as anyone else.

My husband served his mission in South Africa, and what you say about Rooibos tea is true. I've been able to find it at the grocery store occasionally, so it's often in our pantry. I was under the impression it was more like an herbal tea...I admit, I've never researched the actual ingredients. It's pretty good stuff.

I drink a lot of herbal tea, sometimes as medicine, sometimes to wind down at night.

[Alaris]

Wow. The mouthpiece of the Lord told us what hot drinks meant and we still have people trying to twist things. smh.

“HOT drinks are not for the body or belly.” - D&C 89

“The working group found no conclusive evidence that drinking coffee or maté causes cancer. However, the scientists did conclude from their studies that drinking very HOT beverages of almost any type probably causes cancer of the esophagus.
https://www.medicinenet.com/very_hot_be ... /views.htm

No more soup either, I guess.

Do you drink your soup?