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The church also voted to accept Wilford Woodruff's command to discontinue polygamy.... so does that no longer apply?? Asking for a friendSilver Pie wrote: ↑March 5th, 2019, 6:02 pmThis is where I lean. I had no say in changing it from a word of wisdom to a word of command. Am I right? I don't know.Mindfields wrote: ↑March 5th, 2019, 2:08 pmI was not there to vote for or against so I am not obliged to follow that agreement.
Ok I’m being serious now. Has anyone heard any kind of even half credible rumor that polygamy will be reinstated. Or is this just horny, lustful members that wish they could break the Law of Chastity and with all the changes they’re now hopeful
An Institute teacher somewhat jokingly said "If the Church said we had to quit eating carrots, we would all quit eating carrots. If they said we had to quit eating ice cream, half of us would apostatize."mtm411 wrote: ↑March 6th, 2019, 11:38 am I don't think the Word of Wisdom is a permanent commandment. I mean, the Nephites and even Jesus Christ consumed alcohol. I think it is as the Word of Wisdom states, meant to protect us in our day against conspiring men.
I am not sure when it will end, and I don't really care. I plan to follow it until it is no longer advice or command. If further revelation has been given for our day, I could see the Word of Wisdom easily changing. Just like the Law of Moses was done away with.
I think it would be replaced with something else, though. I expect that cofee, tea, and wine are okay in moderation with an update. I think some things we really like and enjoy like sugar and salty snacks might be more counseled against.
You know why? Mormon foreplay is an hour at the ice cream shop.Lizzy60 wrote: ↑March 6th, 2019, 11:42 amAn Institute teacher somewhat jokingly said "If the Church said we had to quit eating carrots, we would all quit eating carrots. If they said we had to quit eating ice cream, half of us would apostatize."mtm411 wrote: ↑March 6th, 2019, 11:38 am I don't think the Word of Wisdom is a permanent commandment. I mean, the Nephites and even Jesus Christ consumed alcohol. I think it is as the Word of Wisdom states, meant to protect us in our day against conspiring men.
I am not sure when it will end, and I don't really care. I plan to follow it until it is no longer advice or command. If further revelation has been given for our day, I could see the Word of Wisdom easily changing. Just like the Law of Moses was done away with.
I think it would be replaced with something else, though. I expect that cofee, tea, and wine are okay in moderation with an update. I think some things we really like and enjoy like sugar and salty snacks might be more counseled against.
Pretty sure what the foreplay leads to is dinner at the Golden Coral.Vision wrote: ↑March 6th, 2019, 11:45 amYou know why? Mormon foreplay is an hour at the ice cream shop.Lizzy60 wrote: ↑March 6th, 2019, 11:42 amAn Institute teacher somewhat jokingly said "If the Church said we had to quit eating carrots, we would all quit eating carrots. If they said we had to quit eating ice cream, half of us would apostatize."mtm411 wrote: ↑March 6th, 2019, 11:38 am I don't think the Word of Wisdom is a permanent commandment. I mean, the Nephites and even Jesus Christ consumed alcohol. I think it is as the Word of Wisdom states, meant to protect us in our day against conspiring men.
I am not sure when it will end, and I don't really care. I plan to follow it until it is no longer advice or command. If further revelation has been given for our day, I could see the Word of Wisdom easily changing. Just like the Law of Moses was done away with.
I think it would be replaced with something else, though. I expect that cofee, tea, and wine are okay in moderation with an update. I think some things we really like and enjoy like sugar and salty snacks might be more counseled against.
EmmaLee,EmmaLee wrote: ↑March 6th, 2019, 8:33 amOh, I didn't know you personally knew JohnnyL in real life. Perhaps you missed the other pertinent comments earlier in this thread - otherwise, you would have known the context of why I asked him that. Nothing to do with health; more of hypocrisy - him preaching to everyone that they must follow every word the apostles say, and that the WoW (no coffee, tea, beer, wine, etc.) is a commandment - except when it's something HE doesn't want to hear or do - then all of a sudden, what the apostles say doesn't matter and isn't a commandment. Cafeteria Mormonry at its finest.
Please respond. Can you accept this about EH? Can you be humble, or will you stick with your bias?"I know that the Church cannot get into the position of evaluating different methods of healing...” “...I am also sorry when people feel that they cannot pursue alternative methods when those are the ones that seem to them to work best."
We're all Cafeteria Mormons - I'm one, you're one, everyone reading this is one, all of us are. And I'm not "stuck" on or "pushing" it or anything else - Silver Pie quoted one of my comments and answered for you, and I was just explaining to her that this argument (?) has nothing to do with health. *I* didn't bring it up again, she did - so please refrain from accusing me of being "stuck" on or "pushing" this. And I have no idea what you're talking about as far as what I haven't responded to. I've explained what I think about all of this - is there some reason I have to explain it again and again and again? All I have to say about this subject, I've already said - so for the love of your chakras, I wish YOU would drop it (and your fan club members, too).JohnnyL wrote: ↑March 6th, 2019, 2:58 pmEmmaLee,EmmaLee wrote: ↑March 6th, 2019, 8:33 amOh, I didn't know you personally knew JohnnyL in real life. Perhaps you missed the other pertinent comments earlier in this thread - otherwise, you would have known the context of why I asked him that. Nothing to do with health; more of hypocrisy - him preaching to everyone that they must follow every word the apostles say, and that the WoW (no coffee, tea, beer, wine, etc.) is a commandment - except when it's something HE doesn't want to hear or do - then all of a sudden, what the apostles say doesn't matter and isn't a commandment. Cafeteria Mormonry at its finest.
I don't get it. I have explained it, but you won't accept it. I hope anyone reading the thread sees that. I've responded, and you haven't. Yet you seem really stuck on this. Please reread my posts that have answered this accusation, if you might have missed them.
And here, especially for you, since the thread I put it on has suddenly gone very, very quiet, yet you seem to want to keep pushing this:
So what if an apostle, in response to a letter about energy healing, said the following:Please respond. Can you accept this about EH? Can you be humble, or will you stick with your bias?"I know that the Church cannot get into the position of evaluating different methods of healing...” “...I am also sorry when people feel that they cannot pursue alternative methods when those are the ones that seem to them to work best."
Sincerely,
Cafeteria Mormon
Have a wonderful day.What do you do when two apostles have opposing opinions?EmmaLee wrote: ↑March 6th, 2019, 3:23 pmWe're all Cafeteria Mormons - I'm one, you're one, everyone reading this is one, all of us are. And I'm not "stuck" on or "pushing" it or anything else - Silver Pie quoted one of my comments and answered for you, and I was just explaining to her that this argument (?) has nothing to do with health. *I* didn't bring it up again, she did - so please refrain from accusing me of being "stuck" on or "pushing" this. And I have no idea what you're talking about as far as what I haven't responded to. I've explained what I think about all of this - is there some reason I have to explain it again and again and again? All I have to say about this subject, I've already said - so for the love of your chakras, I wish YOU would drop it (and your fan club members, too).JohnnyL wrote: ↑March 6th, 2019, 2:58 pmEmmaLee,EmmaLee wrote: ↑March 6th, 2019, 8:33 amOh, I didn't know you personally knew JohnnyL in real life. Perhaps you missed the other pertinent comments earlier in this thread - otherwise, you would have known the context of why I asked him that. Nothing to do with health; more of hypocrisy - him preaching to everyone that they must follow every word the apostles say, and that the WoW (no coffee, tea, beer, wine, etc.) is a commandment - except when it's something HE doesn't want to hear or do - then all of a sudden, what the apostles say doesn't matter and isn't a commandment. Cafeteria Mormonry at its finest.
I don't get it. I have explained it, but you won't accept it. I hope anyone reading the thread sees that. I've responded, and you haven't. Yet you seem really stuck on this. Please reread my posts that have answered this accusation, if you might have missed them.
And here, especially for you, since the thread I put it on has suddenly gone very, very quiet, yet you seem to want to keep pushing this:
So what if an apostle, in response to a letter about energy healing, said the following:Please respond. Can you accept this about EH? Can you be humble, or will you stick with your bias?"I know that the Church cannot get into the position of evaluating different methods of healing...” “...I am also sorry when people feel that they cannot pursue alternative methods when those are the ones that seem to them to work best."
Sincerely,
Cafeteria Mormon
So in summary and in closing -
You practice EH (and get paid for it, if I remember correctly). Good for you. I couldn't care less that you do this. You demand that the WoW is now a commandment, without ANY scriptural backing - and you condemn everyone who does not believe it's a commandment. To me, the WoW is exactly what the LORD said it is, and until HIS words become part of our scriptures as much as Sec 89 is, then Sec 89 is what I will follow (and I'm happy to do it, lest you falsely accuse me of wanting to drink coffee, etc. which I've already explained, I wouldn't even if the Church said we could). You and your bias refuse to believe that Apostle Ballard (who you sustain as a PSR) was speaking out against EH. I don't know how any thinking person could misinterpret what he said, but you found a way to - therefore, you justify your continued practice of EH. Oh, and in your mind, if just one apostle says not to do it, you are free to ignore him. THAT is the basis of this whole silly back and forth with you. You are never going to change your mind or admit that you are ignoring an apostle. I am never going to change my mind that the WoW is magically a commandment now. So I'm not entirely sure what we have left to talk about on the subject? You will try to justify your use of EH any way that you can, because you want to. I have nothing to justify. If Silver Pie hadn't quoted my comment, bringing me back into the conversation, I would not have brought it up again, as quite frankly, it's bored me to tears by now (I should have just ignored her). So please, you and your fans continue quoting my comments, if you like - since like Gila Monsters, ya'll can't seem to let it go (does EH cure OCD?), but I literally have nothing else to say on the subject. Your mind is set, my mind is set. I would like to emulate your level of humility though.
Why do you keep asking me questions to things I have already answered? I have answered all of this. The scriptures, Joseph Smith (Prophet of our dispensation - all after him are place-holders till Christ returns), and God - that's who I get my answers from. Makes things rather straightforward - no confusion. The God I worship and love is not a God of confusion.JohnnyL wrote: ↑March 6th, 2019, 4:23 pmWhat do you do when two apostles have opposing opinions?EmmaLee wrote: ↑March 6th, 2019, 3:23 pmWe're all Cafeteria Mormons - I'm one, you're one, everyone reading this is one, all of us are. And I'm not "stuck" on or "pushing" it or anything else - Silver Pie quoted one of my comments and answered for you, and I was just explaining to her that this argument (?) has nothing to do with health. *I* didn't bring it up again, she did - so please refrain from accusing me of being "stuck" on or "pushing" this. And I have no idea what you're talking about as far as what I haven't responded to. I've explained what I think about all of this - is there some reason I have to explain it again and again and again? All I have to say about this subject, I've already said - so for the love of your chakras, I wish YOU would drop it (and your fan club members, too).JohnnyL wrote: ↑March 6th, 2019, 2:58 pmEmmaLee,EmmaLee wrote: ↑March 6th, 2019, 8:33 am
Oh, I didn't know you personally knew JohnnyL in real life. Perhaps you missed the other pertinent comments earlier in this thread - otherwise, you would have known the context of why I asked him that. Nothing to do with health; more of hypocrisy - him preaching to everyone that they must follow every word the apostles say, and that the WoW (no coffee, tea, beer, wine, etc.) is a commandment - except when it's something HE doesn't want to hear or do - then all of a sudden, what the apostles say doesn't matter and isn't a commandment. Cafeteria Mormonry at its finest.
I don't get it. I have explained it, but you won't accept it. I hope anyone reading the thread sees that. I've responded, and you haven't. Yet you seem really stuck on this. Please reread my posts that have answered this accusation, if you might have missed them.
And here, especially for you, since the thread I put it on has suddenly gone very, very quiet, yet you seem to want to keep pushing this:
So what if an apostle, in response to a letter about energy healing, said the following:Please respond. Can you accept this about EH? Can you be humble, or will you stick with your bias?"I know that the Church cannot get into the position of evaluating different methods of healing...” “...I am also sorry when people feel that they cannot pursue alternative methods when those are the ones that seem to them to work best."
Sincerely,
Cafeteria Mormon
So in summary and in closing -
You practice EH (and get paid for it, if I remember correctly). Good for you. I couldn't care less that you do this. You demand that the WoW is now a commandment, without ANY scriptural backing - and you condemn everyone who does not believe it's a commandment. To me, the WoW is exactly what the LORD said it is, and until HIS words become part of our scriptures as much as Sec 89 is, then Sec 89 is what I will follow (and I'm happy to do it, lest you falsely accuse me of wanting to drink coffee, etc. which I've already explained, I wouldn't even if the Church said we could). You and your bias refuse to believe that Apostle Ballard (who you sustain as a PSR) was speaking out against EH. I don't know how any thinking person could misinterpret what he said, but you found a way to - therefore, you justify your continued practice of EH. Oh, and in your mind, if just one apostle says not to do it, you are free to ignore him. THAT is the basis of this whole silly back and forth with you. You are never going to change your mind or admit that you are ignoring an apostle. I am never going to change my mind that the WoW is magically a commandment now. So I'm not entirely sure what we have left to talk about on the subject? You will try to justify your use of EH any way that you can, because you want to. I have nothing to justify. If Silver Pie hadn't quoted my comment, bringing me back into the conversation, I would not have brought it up again, as quite frankly, it's bored me to tears by now (I should have just ignored her). So please, you and your fans continue quoting my comments, if you like - since like Gila Monsters, ya'll can't seem to let it go (does EH cure OCD?), but I literally have nothing else to say on the subject. Your mind is set, my mind is set. I would like to emulate your level of humility though.
What do you have to say about what that apostle said? Do you believe that he is wrong? that it is just his opinion? That when two apostles have contrary opinions, the one you like is the only correct one, and whoever believes the apostle's opinion that you don't like, is a cafeteria Mormon hypocrite?
What do you do when one apostle clearly says the quote, in context, while "your" apostle (the one whose opinion you agree with) unclearly said something? Yes, it's unclear enough that a search on the internet will show that. I agree President Ballard not to waste money without thought, use good people, etc.
Are prophets to give commandments that are unclear, ambiguous, etc.? Is that how commandments are given?
Elder Ballard also said, we're not experts, don't ask us to give judgments on things we don't understand--then turned around and did it. While the apostle I quote, ALSO said that, then actually followed it.
President Utchdorf said don't look for answers on the internet, trust the experts, especially when it comes to health matters. IOW, get your vaccines, do chemo for cancer, cut out your gallbladder if you have gallstones, don't look for alternatives, the experts have done the thinking for you--while they say do your thinking and get your own testimony, don't rely on the apostles and prophets to do your thinking for you. Do you or do you not agree with that? Hey, an apostle said it, right?
If you believe that the WoW is not a commandment, please answer how ALL 15 prophets and apostles--for the past DECADES--say that it IS, clearly, a commandment? Are they wrong? Are you correcting all those prophets and apostles? Don't they understand what the con-WoW sayers say?
When I was interviewed for Baptism at age 21, I was asked if I accepted the Word of Wisdom as taught by the Elders. I agreed to accept that teaching (and Tithing as well). So I guess I am bound to the "commandment" of the WoW.Mindfields wrote: ↑March 5th, 2019, 2:08 pm Since no new revelation from the Lord has been received to supersede the original revelation then we ought to just take the original as given. Good advice, not commandment. How are we not like the Pharisee's when we make God's commandments, advice in this case, more strict than he gave it. God revealed the WOW exactly as he intended. We shouldn't try to "make them better" by going beyond what he reveals.
I don't care that the saints at the time voted to make it a commandment. That was for them alone. I was not there to vote for or against so I am not obliged to follow that agreement. It God revealed it to now be a commandment and it was voted upon by the church and then added to the scriptures then I would be required to treat it as a commandment.
Benaishtart wrote: ↑March 6th, 2019, 9:47 am Ok I’m being serious now. Has anyone heard any kind of even half credible rumor that the WoW could be modified. Or is this just disgruntled members that wish they could break the WoW and with all the changes they’re now hopeful
Yes, EH does heal OCD.EmmaLee wrote: ↑March 6th, 2019, 5:29 pmWhy do you keep asking me questions to things I have already answered? I have answered all of this. The scriptures, Joseph Smith (Prophet of our dispensation - all after him are place-holders till Christ returns), and God - that's who I get my answers from. Makes things rather straightforward - no confusion. The God I worship and love is not a God of confusion.JohnnyL wrote: ↑March 6th, 2019, 4:23 pmWhat do you do when two apostles have opposing opinions?EmmaLee wrote: ↑March 6th, 2019, 3:23 pmWe're all Cafeteria Mormons - I'm one, you're one, everyone reading this is one, all of us are. And I'm not "stuck" on or "pushing" it or anything else - Silver Pie quoted one of my comments and answered for you, and I was just explaining to her that this argument (?) has nothing to do with health. *I* didn't bring it up again, she did - so please refrain from accusing me of being "stuck" on or "pushing" this. And I have no idea what you're talking about as far as what I haven't responded to. I've explained what I think about all of this - is there some reason I have to explain it again and again and again? All I have to say about this subject, I've already said - so for the love of your chakras, I wish YOU would drop it (and your fan club members, too).JohnnyL wrote: ↑March 6th, 2019, 2:58 pm
EmmaLee,
I don't get it. I have explained it, but you won't accept it. I hope anyone reading the thread sees that. I've responded, and you haven't. Yet you seem really stuck on this. Please reread my posts that have answered this accusation, if you might have missed them.
And here, especially for you, since the thread I put it on has suddenly gone very, very quiet, yet you seem to want to keep pushing this:
So what if an apostle, in response to a letter about energy healing, said the following:
Please respond. Can you accept this about EH? Can you be humble, or will you stick with your bias?
Sincerely,
Cafeteria Mormon
So in summary and in closing -
You practice EH (and get paid for it, if I remember correctly). Good for you. I couldn't care less that you do this. You demand that the WoW is now a commandment, without ANY scriptural backing - and you condemn everyone who does not believe it's a commandment. To me, the WoW is exactly what the LORD said it is, and until HIS words become part of our scriptures as much as Sec 89 is, then Sec 89 is what I will follow (and I'm happy to do it, lest you falsely accuse me of wanting to drink coffee, etc. which I've already explained, I wouldn't even if the Church said we could). You and your bias refuse to believe that Apostle Ballard (who you sustain as a PSR) was speaking out against EH. I don't know how any thinking person could misinterpret what he said, but you found a way to - therefore, you justify your continued practice of EH. Oh, and in your mind, if just one apostle says not to do it, you are free to ignore him. THAT is the basis of this whole silly back and forth with you. You are never going to change your mind or admit that you are ignoring an apostle. I am never going to change my mind that the WoW is magically a commandment now. So I'm not entirely sure what we have left to talk about on the subject? You will try to justify your use of EH any way that you can, because you want to. I have nothing to justify. If Silver Pie hadn't quoted my comment, bringing me back into the conversation, I would not have brought it up again, as quite frankly, it's bored me to tears by now (I should have just ignored her). So please, you and your fans continue quoting my comments, if you like - since like Gila Monsters, ya'll can't seem to let it go (does EH cure OCD?), but I literally have nothing else to say on the subject. Your mind is set, my mind is set. I would like to emulate your level of humility though.
What do you have to say about what that apostle said? Do you believe that he is wrong? that it is just his opinion? That when two apostles have contrary opinions, the one you like is the only correct one, and whoever believes the apostle's opinion that you don't like, is a cafeteria Mormon hypocrite?
What do you do when one apostle clearly says the quote, in context, while "your" apostle (the one whose opinion you agree with) unclearly said something? Yes, it's unclear enough that a search on the internet will show that. I agree President Ballard not to waste money without thought, use good people, etc.
Are prophets to give commandments that are unclear, ambiguous, etc.? Is that how commandments are given?
Elder Ballard also said, we're not experts, don't ask us to give judgments on things we don't understand--then turned around and did it. While the apostle I quote, ALSO said that, then actually followed it.
President Utchdorf said don't look for answers on the internet, trust the experts, especially when it comes to health matters. IOW, get your vaccines, do chemo for cancer, cut out your gallbladder if you have gallstones, don't look for alternatives, the experts have done the thinking for you--while they say do your thinking and get your own testimony, don't rely on the apostles and prophets to do your thinking for you. Do you or do you not agree with that? Hey, an apostle said it, right?
If you believe that the WoW is not a commandment, please answer how ALL 15 prophets and apostles--for the past DECADES--say that it IS, clearly, a commandment? Are they wrong? Are you correcting all those prophets and apostles? Don't they understand what the con-WoW sayers say?
Again I ask - does EH heal OCD? Apparently not. By the way, I've not given my opinion of EH, so you assume much, JohnnyL.
You should try healing yourself and raising yours then.JohnnyL wrote: ↑March 12th, 2019, 8:54 amYes, EH does heal OCD.EmmaLee wrote: ↑March 6th, 2019, 5:29 pmWhy do you keep asking me questions to things I have already answered? I have answered all of this. The scriptures, Joseph Smith (Prophet of our dispensation - all after him are place-holders till Christ returns), and God - that's who I get my answers from. Makes things rather straightforward - no confusion. The God I worship and love is not a God of confusion.JohnnyL wrote: ↑March 6th, 2019, 4:23 pmWhat do you do when two apostles have opposing opinions?EmmaLee wrote: ↑March 6th, 2019, 3:23 pm
We're all Cafeteria Mormons - I'm one, you're one, everyone reading this is one, all of us are. And I'm not "stuck" on or "pushing" it or anything else - Silver Pie quoted one of my comments and answered for you, and I was just explaining to her that this argument (?) has nothing to do with health. *I* didn't bring it up again, she did - so please refrain from accusing me of being "stuck" on or "pushing" this. And I have no idea what you're talking about as far as what I haven't responded to. I've explained what I think about all of this - is there some reason I have to explain it again and again and again? All I have to say about this subject, I've already said - so for the love of your chakras, I wish YOU would drop it (and your fan club members, too).
So in summary and in closing -
You practice EH (and get paid for it, if I remember correctly). Good for you. I couldn't care less that you do this. You demand that the WoW is now a commandment, without ANY scriptural backing - and you condemn everyone who does not believe it's a commandment. To me, the WoW is exactly what the LORD said it is, and until HIS words become part of our scriptures as much as Sec 89 is, then Sec 89 is what I will follow (and I'm happy to do it, lest you falsely accuse me of wanting to drink coffee, etc. which I've already explained, I wouldn't even if the Church said we could). You and your bias refuse to believe that Apostle Ballard (who you sustain as a PSR) was speaking out against EH. I don't know how any thinking person could misinterpret what he said, but you found a way to - therefore, you justify your continued practice of EH. Oh, and in your mind, if just one apostle says not to do it, you are free to ignore him. THAT is the basis of this whole silly back and forth with you. You are never going to change your mind or admit that you are ignoring an apostle. I am never going to change my mind that the WoW is magically a commandment now. So I'm not entirely sure what we have left to talk about on the subject? You will try to justify your use of EH any way that you can, because you want to. I have nothing to justify. If Silver Pie hadn't quoted my comment, bringing me back into the conversation, I would not have brought it up again, as quite frankly, it's bored me to tears by now (I should have just ignored her). So please, you and your fans continue quoting my comments, if you like - since like Gila Monsters, ya'll can't seem to let it go (does EH cure OCD?), but I literally have nothing else to say on the subject. Your mind is set, my mind is set. I would like to emulate your level of humility though.
What do you have to say about what that apostle said? Do you believe that he is wrong? that it is just his opinion? That when two apostles have contrary opinions, the one you like is the only correct one, and whoever believes the apostle's opinion that you don't like, is a cafeteria Mormon hypocrite?
What do you do when one apostle clearly says the quote, in context, while "your" apostle (the one whose opinion you agree with) unclearly said something? Yes, it's unclear enough that a search on the internet will show that. I agree President Ballard not to waste money without thought, use good people, etc.
Are prophets to give commandments that are unclear, ambiguous, etc.? Is that how commandments are given?
Elder Ballard also said, we're not experts, don't ask us to give judgments on things we don't understand--then turned around and did it. While the apostle I quote, ALSO said that, then actually followed it.
President Utchdorf said don't look for answers on the internet, trust the experts, especially when it comes to health matters. IOW, get your vaccines, do chemo for cancer, cut out your gallbladder if you have gallstones, don't look for alternatives, the experts have done the thinking for you--while they say do your thinking and get your own testimony, don't rely on the apostles and prophets to do your thinking for you. Do you or do you not agree with that? Hey, an apostle said it, right?
If you believe that the WoW is not a commandment, please answer how ALL 15 prophets and apostles--for the past DECADES--say that it IS, clearly, a commandment? Are they wrong? Are you correcting all those prophets and apostles? Don't they understand what the con-WoW sayers say?
Again I ask - does EH heal OCD? Apparently not. By the way, I've not given my opinion of EH, so you assume much, JohnnyL.
This is not about EH, or your thoughts on it. It's about--again--you believing that someone is a hypocrite because they erringly believe that 15 prophets, apostles, and seers, unanimously, over decades (about a century now), say that the WoW is a commandment--while in fact, it's true; but that you believe that one apostle inferred that EH is bad, and therefore one should obey that "commandment"--while in fact, another apostle said it isn't.
EH can also raise someone's reading and understanding ability.
