Rumor WOW change?

[John Tavner]

Allow members to read the WoW as it was intended/written and apply it with using their own agency to receive the blessings promised or not. Scripture says not a commandment. We have done like the Pharisees and placed a commandment around it. Stop requiring any WoW questions to temple recommend. Instead admonish people to live it and trust/empower them to manage their own affairs.

The "We" in your statement is the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. They are the ones who made the change. When originally given it was not by commandment or constraint as it reads in the D&C, but later, the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles made it so...which is within the bounds of their authority.

The living prophet trumps the scriptures as illustrated in this particular point.

If the current First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles make another change so that following the WOW is no longer a commandment, then ok!

Change is ok. Change is allowed, as long as it is made by the prophet under the direction of the Lord.

Where was the WoW changed to a “commandment”? Please reference. And, why was it not done via an actual revelation from the Lord which the members would sustain? As it stands, it contradicts the revelation D&C 89, which says “not by commandment or constraint”. Why didn’t the change you’re referring to follow this process:

Harold B. Lee, The Teachings of Harold B. Lee, edited by Clyde J. Williams, p.544 (this was said while he was President of the Church):

The only person authorized to bring forth new revelation is the prophet. If anyone, regardless of his position in the Church, were to advance a doctrine that is not substantiated by the standard Church works, meaning the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price, you may know that his statement is merely his private opinion. The only one authorized to bring forth any new doctrine is the President of the Church, who, when he does, will declare it as a revelation from God, and it will be so accepted by the Council of the Twelve and sustained by the body of the Church. And if any man speak a doctrine which contradicts what is in the standard Church works, you may know by that same token that it is false and you are not bound to accept it as truth. (73-26 European Area Conference Report, 25 August 1973, pp. 66-72.)

I agree, I would love it if they just put an addendum in section 89 or something. IT could be as simple as. "While the Lord said it wasn't a commandment when this revelation was first given, in xxxx year we received instruction it was to become a commandment. I would be stoked for that. I'm fine with continuing revelation, but lets actually act like we believe in it and apply it - especially when that scripture is cannonized.

[I AM]

Allow members to read the WoW as it was intended/written and apply it with using their own agency to receive the blessings promised or not. Scripture says not a commandment. We have done like the Pharisees and placed a commandment around it. Stop requiring any WoW questions to temple recommend. Instead admonish people to live it and trust/empower them to manage their own affairs.

The "We" in your statement is the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. They are the ones who made the change. When originally given it was not by commandment or constraint as it reads in the D&C, but later, the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles made it so...which is within the bounds of their authority.

The living prophet trumps the scriptures as illustrated in this particular point.

If the current First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles make another change so that following the WOW is no longer a commandment, then ok!

Change is ok. Change is allowed, as long as it is made by the prophet under the direction of the Lord.

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ya right.
if the prophet told you to "drive off the cliff, it's ok", you'd probably do it.
NO. change is NOT ok. If you think for one minute that all these changes (decisions)
the church has made over the past hundred years are under the direction of the Lord, you are wrong.
These changes that the church has made have NOT been revelations, they've been decisions made by men.

So without revelation, the scriptures stand, as they always have, and always will.

Isaiah 5

13 Therefore are my people exiled without knowing why;their best men die of famine,
their masses perish with thirst.

Without divine revelation—without direct knowledge communicated from Israel’s God—his people remain vulnerable to the tide of world events that determines their fate.
Instead, they could have determined their own fate (Isaiah 8:13-15; 28:7-13). The word “knowledge” (da‘at)—a covenant term—further signifies that his people no longer know their God. They may know about him; but they don’t know him in the way that he manifests himself personally to his elect (Isaiah 19:21; 52:6). If they did, they would not now perish nor be taken captive by their enemies (Isaiah 10:3-4; 14:16-17).


Isaiah 29

9 Procrastinate, and become bewildered;
preoccupy yourselves, until you cry for help.
Be drunk, but not with wine;
stagger, but not from strong drink.
10 Jehovah has poured out on you
a spirit of deep sleep:
he has shut your eyes, the prophets;
he has covered your heads, the seers.

Jehovah’s people who are here addressed are chronically delusional to the point of slumbering in a deep sleep. Having procrastinated the day of their salvation by buying into dreamlike deceptions and fantasies, they grow “bewildered” and “cry for help” when Jehovah’s judgments come upon them. As a people’s leaders generally reflect the people themselves, so all are spiritually “drunk” and “stagger” instead of walking straight. The prophets and seers—the people’s “eyes” and “heads”—can’t awaken them to spiritual realities because they themselves are intoxicated and asleep (Isaiah 28:7; 56:9-12).


Isaiah cites that this people would be given "precept upon precept;
precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little and there a little."
These identical words, were used by the Prophet Joseph Smith among his closing instructions to the latter day saints, warning us to go forward not backward. D.C.128:21-22 ; 2Nephi 28:30

Isaiah 28:13 "But the word of the Lord was unto them
precept upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little;
that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken,
and snared, and taken."

Instead of receiving a greater portion of the “word of Jehovah” through divine revelation, the people of Ephraim remain ensconced in its lesser version as that is all they know. The end result is their ruination: “Sanctify Jehovah of Hosts, making him your fear, him your awe. And [to you] he will be a sanctuary, but to the two houses of Israel a stumbling block or obstructing rock, and a snare, catching unawares the inhabitants of Jerusalem. Many will stumble into them, and when they fall shall be broken, and when they become ensnared shall be taken captive” (Isaiah 8:13-15; cf. 5:13; 42:18-25).

[Silver Pie]

But it would certainly be possible to follow such a diet and still be overweight. I agree though that a diet as outlined therein is healthy and will lead to spiritual and physical benefits. But I think it would be a mistake to automatically assume that all overweight people disregard this aspect of the WOW.

I know people who have problems digesting wheat. When they eat it, they look fat in the belly, as if they'd gained a lot of weight. When they stop eating wheat they are suddenly a lot skinnier by the third day out. I have a similar problem with dairy, it seems (but milk, cheese, etc. aren't even mentioned in the WoW). So, yes, assuming that all fat people are that way because they ate foods forbidden (or that one thinks should be forbidden) by the WoW can be off the mark, big time.

[Silver Pie]

I think obesity is a psychological problem. That is why people don't stick to diets. It has to do with issues with security and/or substituting food for an inability to feel worthy of human connection.

I absolutely agree that that can be and is a factor for a great many people. At the same time, I think obese people are malnourished people, for the most part, and that they are eating foods that their body stores as fat - because the body wants the stuff that will give it nourishment, the body sends out hunger signals.

I also think that bad habits can play a part. And that there are cases of hormones out of whack.

The worst thing about obesity, in my opinion, is that it makes you a target for unkind people. Like it's some sort of sin so people look down on you and mock you, but it isn't nearly as bad as real sins - the sins we cannot easily see, like lying, cheating, adultery, and so forth.

[Elizabeth]

We need to remember that the wheat referred to in the Word Of Wisdom is no longer available today to the majority of the world. Perhaps there may be some which still exists somewhere which has escaped the toxic chemical "advances" of our modern world. Such as heritage tomatoes etc.

[Silver Pie]

If people learned how to fast correctly AND followed the WoW with respects to eating food that has nutrition then obesity would disappear for the majority. The majority are over weight because of eating the wrong food too often and eating more than 3 meals a day.

And the conspiring men in the last days would lose a lot of money.

A lot of people have good results with intermittent fasting (which is difficult to do if one is eating high carbs, as the hunger will quite possibly overtake you).

[Silver Pie]

Excluding coffee and tea is what people are talking abt. Members drinking 3 monster energy drinks on way to the temple but can't touch tea or coffee? No common sense there. Tea and coffee should be repealed from temple wow question for recommend.

I'm guessing you mean you want to start this rumor?

Actually, I've heard this in other places from other people. It might be based in a real thing.

[Silver Pie]

We need to remember that the wheat referred to in the Word Of Wisdom is no longer available today to the majority of the world. Perhaps there may be some which still exists somewhere which has escaped the toxic chemical "advances" of our modern world. Such as heritage tomatoes etc.

That is a very good point, Elizabeth. The wheat we have now has been bred to be very different from what it was two hundred years ago, and the toxic chemicals sprayed on it are also factors. Even though wheat is "triple washed" I think enough of the poison remains that the body reacts to it, and by extension, becomes sensitive to the wheat also.

[LDS Physician]

Allow members to read the WoW as it was intended/written and apply it with using their own agency to receive the blessings promised or not. Scripture says not a commandment. We have done like the Pharisees and placed a commandment around it. Stop requiring any WoW questions to temple recommend. Instead admonish people to live it and trust/empower them to manage their own affairs.

The "We" in your statement is the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. They are the ones who made the change. When originally given it was not by commandment or constraint as it reads in the D&C, but later, the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles made it so...which is within the bounds of their authority.

The living prophet trumps the scriptures as illustrated in this particular point.

If the current First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles make another change so that following the WOW is no longer a commandment, then ok!

Change is ok. Change is allowed, as long as it is made by the prophet under the direction of the Lord.

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ya right.
if the prophet told you to "drive off the cliff, it's ok", you'd probably do it.
NO. change is NOT ok. If you think for one minute that all these changes (decisions)
the church has made over the past hundred years are under the direction of the Lord, you are wrong.
These changes that the church has made have NOT been revelations, they've been decisions made by men.

Read D&C 1:38 and then get back to me. Change is ok. The prophet (and therefore the Lord if the D&C verse mentioned is to be believed) can institute change at their discretion. You are incorrect.

[LDS Physician]

Allow members to read the WoW as it was intended/written and apply it with using their own agency to receive the blessings promised or not. Scripture says not a commandment. We have done like the Pharisees and placed a commandment around it. Stop requiring any WoW questions to temple recommend. Instead admonish people to live it and trust/empower them to manage their own affairs.

The "We" in your statement is the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. They are the ones who made the change. When originally given it was not by commandment or constraint as it reads in the D&C, but later, the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles made it so...which is within the bounds of their authority.

The living prophet trumps the scriptures as illustrated in this particular point.

If the current First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles make another change so that following the WOW is no longer a commandment, then ok!

Change is ok. Change is allowed, as long as it is made by the prophet under the direction of the Lord.

Where was the WoW changed to a “commandment”? Please reference. And, why was it not done via an actual revelation from the Lord which the members would sustain? As it stands, it contradicts the revelation D&C 89, which says “not by commandment or constraint”. Why didn’t the change you’re referring to follow this process:

Harold B. Lee, The Teachings of Harold B. Lee, edited by Clyde J. Williams, p.544 (this was said while he was President of the Church):

The only person authorized to bring forth new revelation is the prophet. If anyone, regardless of his position in the Church, were to advance a doctrine that is not substantiated by the standard Church works, meaning the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price, you may know that his statement is merely his private opinion. The only one authorized to bring forth any new doctrine is the President of the Church, who, when he does, will declare it as a revelation from God, and it will be so accepted by the Council of the Twelve and sustained by the body of the Church. And if any man speak a doctrine which contradicts what is in the standard Church works, you may know by that same token that it is false and you are not bound to accept it as truth. (73-26 European Area Conference Report, 25 August 1973, pp. 66-72.)

As quoted in the Doctrine and Covenants institute study guide:
D&C 89:2. Is the Word of Wisdom a Commandment Today?

Although the Word of Wisdom was received on 27 February 1833, its acceptance by individual members of the Church was gradual. On 9 September 1851, some eighteen years after it was given, the Patriarch to the Church, John Smith, delivered a talk in general conference on the Word of Wisdom. During his address, President Brigham Young arose and proposed that all Saints formally covenant to abstain from tea, coffee, tobacco, whiskey, and “all things mentioned in the Word of Wisdom” (“Minutes of the General Conference,” Millennial Star, 1 Feb. 1852, p. 35). The motion was accepted unanimously and became binding as a commandment for all Church members thereafter.

Bishops and stake presidents are responsible for determining whether members are worthy to receive Church ordinances such as baptism or those available in the temple or to enter the temple to receive ordinances for others. Keeping the Word of Wisdom is a part of that worthiness."

D&C 89:2. Why Does the Lord Say “Not by Commandment or Constraint”?

“The reason undoubtedly why the Word of Wisdom was given--as not by ‘commandment or restraint’ was that at that time, at least, if it had been given as a commandment it would have brought every man, addicted to the use of these noxious things, under condemnation; so the Lord was merciful and gave them a chance to overcome, before He brought them under the law. Later on, it was announced from this stand, by President Brigham Young that the Word of Wisdom was a revelation and a command of the Lord. [See Young, Discourses of Brigham Young, pp. 183–84].” (Joseph F. Smith, in Conference Report, Oct. 1913, p. 14.)

President Heber J. Grant emphasized that the Word of Wisdom was a commandment and warned those who did not obey it that “the day is gone by when the Lord will trifle with the Latter-day Saints. He has said that His Spirit shall not always strive with man.” (Gospel Standards, pp. 55–56.) Although the Lord allowed a time of adjustment for those who were already members of the Church when the Word of Wisdom was given, today it is expected that all Saints adhere to the commandment.
Section 89 The Word of Wisdom

[I AM]

Allow members to read the WoW as it was intended/written and apply it with using their own agency to receive the blessings promised or not. Scripture says not a commandment. We have done like the Pharisees and placed a commandment around it. Stop requiring any WoW questions to temple recommend. Instead admonish people to live it and trust/empower them to manage their own affairs.

The "We" in your statement is the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. They are the ones who made the change. When originally given it was not by commandment or constraint as it reads in the D&C, but later, the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles made it so...which is within the bounds of their authority.

The living prophet trumps the scriptures as illustrated in this particular point.

If the current First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles make another change so that following the WOW is no longer a commandment, then ok!

Change is ok. Change is allowed, as long as it is made by the prophet under the direction of the Lord.

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ya right.
if the prophet told you to "drive off the cliff, it's ok", you'd probably do it.
NO. change is NOT ok. If you think for one minute that all these changes (decisions)
the church has made over the past hundred years are under the direction of the Lord, you are wrong.
These changes that the church has made have NOT been revelations, they've been decisions made by men.

Read D&C 1:38 and then get back to me. Change is ok. The prophet (and therefore the Lord if the D&C verse mentioned is to be believed) can institute change at their discretion. You are incorrect.

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sorry but a prophet without revelation can do nothing.
"All is NOT WELL in ZION "
wake up and smell the dead roses.

[Thinker]

The majority are over weight because of eating the wrong food too often and eating more than 3 meals a day.

Yes - weight depends on the amount of food - caloric intake, more than any other factor. It’s about 80% how much you eat and 20% exercise. E.g: A (small) cheeseburger is 300 calories which takes about 1/2 hour of running to burn off.

Simple but effective weight-loss program: eat less, move more.

[Juliet]

I think obesity is a psychological problem. That is why people don't stick to diets. It has to do with issues with security and/or substituting food for an inability to feel worthy of human connection.

I absolutely agree that that can be and is a factor for a great many people. At the same time, I think obese people are malnourished people, for the most part, and that they are eating foods that their body stores as fat - because the body wants the stuff that will give it nourishment, the body sends out hunger signals.

I also think that bad habits can play a part. And that there are cases of hormones out of whack.

The worst thing about obesity, in my opinion, is that it makes you a target for unkind people. Like it's some sort of sin so people look down on you and mock you, but it isn't nearly as bad as real sins - the sins we cannot easily see, like lying, cheating, adultery, and so forth.

So, if people are using food to substitute for love, but can't digest it and get the proper nutrients from it, could that be a metaphor that having love isn't enough, you have to be able to digest that love. Meaning, you have to receive the love/food you already have instead of lusting for more more more, since if you can't receive the love/food you have, receiving more will make you sicker instead of healthier?

So, could the secret to ending obesity be to be grateful for all things...in order to be able to digest/fully receive more???

Maybe you don't have as much love as you think you need, but by being grateful for it and accepting it, then you open your heart to be able to receive more. But if you can't be grateful for the love you have, how can more be of any help?

[Thinker]

I think obesity is a psychological problem. That is why people don't stick to diets. It has to do with issues with security and/or substituting food for an inability to feel worthy of human connection.

Since people use food to substitute their real need for human connection, telling someone not to eat is like telling them they will never get that human connection they need and makes it worse. What they really need is an influx of loving human interaction.

I think Pres. Hinckley said to shut your eyes and let them eat. I think that was wise. Many times the answer to a problem is paradoxical...

Food addiction (& addiction generally) does seem to be rooted in psychological problems. And a major part of it is probably a frustrated unmet need of human connection. What I’ve seen is that such people have habits of pushing others away (in one way of another) so it’s a vicious cycle.

I’d never in-person tell someone to stop eating - or what to eat or not eat. Yet, this is directly related to the #1 killer (heart disease) of America & in that sense, overreating to such extreme is slow suicide. I’ve felt morally obligated to do something - especially with those I care most about. So, when I’ve been aware of why an obese person is using their food addiction to mask or compensate for other issues - I have gently suggested they do what they need to do to heal those issues & that they are stronger than they think!

This reminds me of the major dysfunction in many groups - including lds (UT was highest of all 50 states in mental illness!). Ideally, church leaders help those who follow them to correct thinking distortions so they think better which helps them feel & behave better. But as it is, psych-ology (study of the soul) is discouraged in favor of cognitive distortions (like polarized thinking & emotional reasoning).

• “But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.” - Matthew 23:13-14

I’ve found that whether the addiction is food, tv, alcohol, online social networks or porn - that the more they give in to their addiction, the more their conscience is more numb and they are more willing to try to shift their pain to hurt others. Continuing with an addiction when your body/mind is trying to tell you, “That’s too much - no more!” is ignoring part of you - and it seems that the spiritual part is connected.

And I do think each person has struggles - some are just more obvious than others.

[JohnnyL]

Obesity: http://www.yourenotfatyouretoxic.com/wp/

It's the toxins.

[JohnnyL]

If the WoW changes, it should change to include energy drinks, kava, etc.--not the other way around (getting rid of coffee and tea).

[Jesef]

Allow members to read the WoW as it was intended/written and apply it with using their own agency to receive the blessings promised or not. Scripture says not a commandment. We have done like the Pharisees and placed a commandment around it. Stop requiring any WoW questions to temple recommend. Instead admonish people to live it and trust/empower them to manage their own affairs.

The "We" in your statement is the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. They are the ones who made the change. When originally given it was not by commandment or constraint as it reads in the D&C, but later, the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles made it so...which is within the bounds of their authority.

The living prophet trumps the scriptures as illustrated in this particular point.

If the current First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles make another change so that following the WOW is no longer a commandment, then ok!

Change is ok. Change is allowed, as long as it is made by the prophet under the direction of the Lord.

Where was the WoW changed to a “commandment”? Please reference. And, why was it not done via an actual revelation from the Lord which the members would sustain? As it stands, it contradicts the revelation D&C 89, which says “not by commandment or constraint”. Why didn’t the change you’re referring to follow this process:

Harold B. Lee, The Teachings of Harold B. Lee, edited by Clyde J. Williams, p.544 (this was said while he was President of the Church):

The only person authorized to bring forth new revelation is the prophet. If anyone, regardless of his position in the Church, were to advance a doctrine that is not substantiated by the standard Church works, meaning the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price, you may know that his statement is merely his private opinion. The only one authorized to bring forth any new doctrine is the President of the Church, who, when he does, will declare it as a revelation from God, and it will be so accepted by the Council of the Twelve and sustained by the body of the Church. And if any man speak a doctrine which contradicts what is in the standard Church works, you may know by that same token that it is false and you are not bound to accept it as truth. (73-26 European Area Conference Report, 25 August 1973, pp. 66-72.)

As quoted in the Doctrine and Covenants institute study guide:
D&C 89:2. Is the Word of Wisdom a Commandment Today?

Although the Word of Wisdom was received on 27 February 1833, its acceptance by individual members of the Church was gradual. On 9 September 1851, some eighteen years after it was given, the Patriarch to the Church, John Smith, delivered a talk in general conference on the Word of Wisdom. During his address, President Brigham Young arose and proposed that all Saints formally covenant to abstain from tea, coffee, tobacco, whiskey, and “all things mentioned in the Word of Wisdom” (“Minutes of the General Conference,” Millennial Star, 1 Feb. 1852, p. 35). The motion was accepted unanimously and became binding as a commandment for all Church members thereafter.

Bishops and stake presidents are responsible for determining whether members are worthy to receive Church ordinances such as baptism or those available in the temple or to enter the temple to receive ordinances for others. Keeping the Word of Wisdom is a part of that worthiness."

D&C 89:2. Why Does the Lord Say “Not by Commandment or Constraint”?

“The reason undoubtedly why the Word of Wisdom was given--as not by ‘commandment or restraint’ was that at that time, at least, if it had been given as a commandment it would have brought every man, addicted to the use of these noxious things, under condemnation; so the Lord was merciful and gave them a chance to overcome, before He brought them under the law. Later on, it was announced from this stand, by President Brigham Young that the Word of Wisdom was a revelation and a command of the Lord. [See Young, Discourses of Brigham Young, pp. 183–84].” (Joseph F. Smith, in Conference Report, Oct. 1913, p. 14.)

President Heber J. Grant emphasized that the Word of Wisdom was a commandment and warned those who did not obey it that “the day is gone by when the Lord will trifle with the Latter-day Saints. He has said that His Spirit shall not always strive with man.” (Gospel Standards, pp. 55–56.) Although the Lord allowed a time of adjustment for those who were already members of the Church when the Word of Wisdom was given, today it is expected that all Saints adhere to the commandment.
Section 89 The Word of Wisdom

Still didn't follow the canonization process: wasn't an official revelation to Brigham Young & then sustained by the body. Just an interpretation he had those saints commit to in 1852. That's not in the scriptures today & their commitments are not binding upon us living today (i.e. they don't make commitments for us). Not sure what point you're trying to make, except that you are reinforcing this erroneous tradition & culture of sustaining men, not the process of revelation & canonizing scripture. 100 years without a dictated revelation, prophecy, or vision. What does that mean?

[BeNotDeceived]

Dr. Robert Lustig joined us in the studio to talk about his new book, The Hacking of the American Mind: The Science Behind the Corporate Takeover of Our Bodies and Brains. Dr. Lustig is a pediatric endocrinologist who is also author of the book Fat Chance: Beating the Odds Against Sugar, Processed Food, Obesity, and Disease. He talks to us about how corporate interests have worked to keep us addicted to pleasure—and how our addictions have robbed us of happiness.

What We Discussed:
Dr. Lustig’s viral video lecture: “Sugar: The Bitter Truth”
The difference between happiness and pleasure, and why it matters
The history of the word “hack”
The difference between marketing and propaganda (and why it matters)
Sam Harris and his study, The Neural Correlates of Religious and Nonreligious Beliefs
Former Google product manager Tristan Harris and his 60 Minutes interview about how our phones are designed to keep us addicted
Tristan Harris on PBS Newshour
In Defense of Food, by Michael Pollan (here’s the movie)
Harvey Kellogg and the invention of cereal
The evils of Raisin Bran
How the food industry manipulates us
Why kids should never sleep with mobile devices in their room
How to raise your serotonin levels

Dr. Gundry busts the whole-grain-goodness myth and other false beliefs about lectins, etc.

The price of food should reflect the total cost of its consumption, rather than the current profit driven quest, where the cheapest, most additive crap is within easy reach on the grocery selves. Next visit to your local store, just look for the Zevia and other obvious indicators of secret combination type conspiracy, for those with the eyes to see, or the ears to hear. Listen up.

[Silver Pie]

So, if people are using food to substitute for love, but can't digest it and get the proper nutrients from it, could that be a metaphor that having love isn't enough, you have to be able to digest that love. Meaning, you have to receive the love/food you already have instead of lusting for more more more, since if you can't receive the love/food you have, receiving more will make you sicker instead of healthier?

So, could the secret to ending obesity be to be grateful for all things...in order to be able to digest/fully receive more???

Maybe you don't have as much love as you think you need, but by being grateful for it and accepting it, then you open your heart to be able to receive more. But if you can't be grateful for the love you have, how can more be of any help?

Whoa, that is deep! I didn't expect a post like that on this thread. You could absolutely be spot on. I say that because I am learning how powerful our beliefs really are, and I think there probably are connections within us like what you posted above.

[Silver Pie]

Reading this thread shows me that there are many factors that contribute to obesity, from thoughts and emotions to eating toxic foods, to a poor insulin reaction, to a starving body that stores junk food and creates hunger because it is malnourished, and so on.

[Col. Flagg]

There are over 150 antioxidants in coffee and healing properties in green tea but those are forbidden while it's perfectly OK to consume as much soda and energy drinks as we want which can give you high blood pressure, diabetes, heart irrythmia, rotting teeth, depletion of bone density, obesity and also plenty of addictive caffeine, all with no problem whatsoever getting a temple recommend. The time is long overdue for not just an update to the WOW, but a removal of substances currently banned that are actually good for you. Makes you wonder how and why tea and coffee were forbidden in the first place???

[Hie'ing to Kolob]

No one with any sense would consume so called "energy drinks".

This is the problem when you make a commandment out of a revelation that specifically states it isn't a commandment...

[Rose Garden]

Excluding coffee and tea is what people are talking abt. Members drinking 3 monster energy drinks on way to the temple but can't touch tea or coffee? No common sense there. Tea and coffee should be repealed from temple wow question for recommend.

Coffee and tea aren't actually specified in the WOW Temple recommend question. I know people who answer that they are keeping the WOW who are drinking coffee and tea because D&C 89 doesn't specifically name them. The question is whether you are keeping the WOW so you can technically answer honestly if you are keeping it the way you believe is correct.

[Rose Garden]

Imagine sacrament meeting with people bringing their starbucks latte's.

Since I don't see people with their Diet Coke right now I don't think this will be an issue.

How do you know diet coke isn't in their cool stainless steel bottles that are so common at Church now?

How do you know that coffee or tea isn't in their cool stainless steel bottle?

True story. I know a family who were exed for practicing polygamy. There were still welcome to attend church and they did with both wives. They weren't allowed to partake of the sacrament but they felt the Lord wanted them to bring their own. They believed in wine for the sacrament so that's what they brought to church for their personal sacrament, and yes, in one of those bottles. They would pass it among themselves during the sacrament along with the bread they brought with them. Somehow the bishop found out and soon after they received legal papers forbidding them to go on church properties.

[Rose Garden]

I really, really, really hope they emphasize the part most people neglect - that following the WofW leaves you open to higher spiritual blessing and, thus, declare that obesity prevention is necessary to increase the spirituality of members and the Church in general.

You do realize that several prophets and apostles would struggle with that declaration, right?