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Was Christ an Anarchist? The Flaws of Allowing Man to Rule Man

Posted: January 6th, 2019, 6:13 pm
by TheMartyrSpeaks
Recently, I've been studying the anarcho-capitalist/voluntarist philosophy, and I have to say, I absolutely agree with it. And, thinking more about it, I have come across the idea that perhaps Christ himself was an Anarchist.
Now, obviously, Christ is bound by the authority of God, so he's not an anarchist in that sense. Christ is an anarchist in the sense that he is a believer that human beings are not fit to rule over other human beings, let alone under the threat of force. Of course, one can only figure that he opposes democracy and republicanism because it was after all the electorate who put his death up to a democratic vote, and of course as they always do, the majority of the people voted to take the life of the great Jesus Christ.

Now, taking from the teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, the church to which I proudly belong, comes the story of the pre-mortal existence, which provides further proof as to why the moral philosophy of the church fits with that of Anarchism, Anarcho-Christianity, and by the nature of non-violent Anarchy, Anarcho-capitalism. It is to my belief that in the pre-mortal existence, we all lived with our Father in Heaven in spirit form. However, until we were unable to gain experiences outside of what we already knew. So, in order for us to gain further knowledge in the hope that we may eventually become like him, he presented a plan, known as the Plan of Salvation. His plan would also require one of us to sacrifice his or her life for the sake of every one of us. Two of our brothers volunteered, one of whom was Jehovah, the other of whom was Lucifer. The plan of Jehovah was for each of us to come to earth and to choose for ourselves between right and wrong. Then he would come down, and should we take his name upon ourselves, we could be saved, even if we do make mistakes (as humans do). The second plan was that of Lucifer. Lucifer wanted a similar experience for us, however he would not allow us to choose for ourselves between right and wrong, rather he would control us, all of us, similar to puppets. Jehovah gave us the freedom to choose, otherwise known as agency. Lucifer wanted to act as authority and to force us to do as he please. Our Father chose the plan of Jehovah, knowing that the plan of Lucifer would not allow us to learn or grow in the way that we would be required to if we should eventually live perfect as our Father is.

Furthermore, Christ's short life on earth serves as evidence that humans are not fit to rule. First, it was government who took the life of Christ, be it by the will of God or that of man, regardless, the Jews took to the Roman monarch Tiberius to have the peaceful Son of God murdered. Christ committed no crime, Christ did no harm to anyone while he was on this earth, yet the Jews of the time still accused him of blasphemy and took him to Tiberius. Tiberius, of course, used democracy to settle whom he should kill, furthering the point of how devastating democracy can be, and how dangerous relying on democracy to elect leaders can be.

Christ was a leader, not a ruler. The difference is simple. A leader gives you a choice. A ruler uses violence to force you to do as they please. The center of God's plan revolves around our agency, or our freedom to choose for ourselves between right and wrong and whether or not to follow the Christ. Though he condemned them, Christ never locked prostitutes in a cage. Though he condemns the abuse of the body, Christ never locked people in cages for choosing to engage in activity with a plant. No matter how you sugar-coat it, even with checks and balances, a ruler will always coerce those who disagree with them in order to get what they want. A voluntary leader- one who gives us the right to choose for ourselves- would never do that. And that is why Jesus Christ was an Anarchist, and all true Christians are Anarchists- because no one should bow down to any master besides God- and even the will of God will not be forced upon you here on Earth- you are free to choose, and are therefore not an advocate for slavery, as Lucifer was and is today.

Lucifer is a statist, Christ is an anarchist. Men are not fit to rule other men, it was God's will in the pre-mortal life that we would be fit to rule ourselves and not over one another, and we would not truly be punished until after physical death.

"The Philosophy of Liberty" by Larken Rose, if you're curious to know why I believe what I believe.

https://youtu.be/6IcZQc5zAM4

Re: Was Christ an Anarchist? The Flaws of Allowing Man to Rule Man

Posted: January 6th, 2019, 8:35 pm
by TheMartyrSpeaks
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Re: Was Christ an Anarchist? The Flaws of Allowing Man to Rule Man

Posted: January 7th, 2019, 8:04 am
by LittleNipper
No one took Christ's life, He offered it up willingly as the sacrifice to save fallen man. Christ is not an Anti-Christ. And Antichrist is a usurper who is misguides and misdirects and points people away from Christ. Hitler is an example of that type and is most likely a precursor for the ultimate Antichrist.

Re: Was Christ an Anarchist? The Flaws of Allowing Man to Rule Man

Posted: February 7th, 2019, 12:48 pm
by Jamescm
When Christ returns, it is widely discussed by leaders of the Church contemporary to the Restoration that we will not live in an anarchy-we will live under Christ's rule. More specifically, it is described as a kind of "theo-democracy" (or in more modernly accurate language, "theo-republic") in which we would indeed have a government under Christ, but that we would still elect representatives for specific communities and regions and use them to exercise law. You could argue, of course, that Christ considers the Godhead alone able to rule others (and rightfully so). There is also the possibility that elected representatives would be largely selected from resurrected beings in preference to still-mortal ones owing to their vastly superior mental clarity and greater experience, which is still a step up from "other men".

I don't know that I would use His not locking up people as evidence that He doesn't endorse it. He lacked the legal authority to do so even if he supported doing so. I don't oppose jailing drug users myself, but in the hopes of being Christ-like and merciful, I haven't independently apprehended or reported them, either.

I don't know that Christ was an "anarchist", but His standard does clearly fall MUCH closer to that end of the scale than any government-heavy alternative. Freedom vs. coercion is definitely something I also consider a cornerstone of the war in heaven that continues today.

Re: Was Christ an Anarchist? The Flaws of Allowing Man to Rule Man

Posted: February 7th, 2019, 1:37 pm
by SmallFarm
He is a monarchist

Re: Was Christ an Anarchist? The Flaws of Allowing Man to Rule Man

Posted: February 9th, 2019, 6:01 pm
by ajax
How about Anarcho-Monarchism?
http://www.altarandthrone.com/category/ ... onarchism/


TheMartyrSpeaks, you may enjoy this site (blog posts and podcast):
https://www.godarchy.org/

Re: Was Christ an Anarchist? The Flaws of Allowing Man to Rule Man

Posted: May 7th, 2019, 4:39 pm
by TheMartyrSpeaks
LittleNipper wrote: January 7th, 2019, 8:04 am No one took Christ's life, He offered it up willingly as the sacrifice to save fallen man. Christ is not an Anti-Christ. And Antichrist is a usurper who is misguides and misdirects and points people away from Christ. Hitler is an example of that type and is most likely a precursor for the ultimate Antichrist.
Actually, world history as well as the teachings of the church show that Christ was beaten and killed by Roman soldiers. Christ would not have died if a larger number of people had disobeyed the orders of the emperor. And,you mention Hitler, so I ask- what makes any other government different from the regime of Hitler? All take property from people without their consent using violence or the threat thereof. Most have arrested, imprisoned or even killed innocent people. Take Joseph Smith, the first prophet of the church, as the most important example. What justifies the existence of "authority" that is not ordained of God?

Re: Was Christ an Anarchist? The Flaws of Allowing Man to Rule Man

Posted: May 12th, 2019, 1:58 pm
by LittleNipper
TheMartyrSpeaks wrote: May 7th, 2019, 4:39 pm
LittleNipper wrote: January 7th, 2019, 8:04 am No one took Christ's life, He offered it up willingly as the sacrifice to save fallen man. Christ is not an Anti-Christ. And Antichrist is a usurper who is misguides and misdirects and points people away from Christ. Hitler is an example of that type and is most likely a precursor for the ultimate Antichrist.
Actually, world history as well as the teachings of the church show that Christ was beaten and killed by Roman soldiers. Christ would not have died if a larger number of people had disobeyed the orders of the emperor. And,you mention Hitler, so I ask- what makes any other government different from the regime of Hitler? All take property from people without their consent using violence or the threat thereof. Most have arrested, imprisoned or even killed innocent people. Take Joseph Smith, the first prophet of the church, as the most important example. What justifies the existence of "authority" that is not ordained of God?
Matthew 26:53 Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?

Some regimes GOD allows/brings to reward and peace. While others He brings/allows to punish and confound. It depends on the heart of the people.