LDS Freedom Forum

ldspatriotsawoken wrote: ↑October 20th, 2018, 5:59 pm "unborn baby is a person" Just the start of turning over Roe vs Wade a big yes to Alabama Supreme court

https://www.wnd.com/2018/10/shocker-cou ... -a-person/

When a criminal murders a pregnant woman they are charged with a double homicide.

That says it all right there.

I here talk about blood shed and I wonder if we have had enough? HOW DO WE WAKE UP AND SEE THE MOST HORRIFIC BLOOD SHED THIS WORLD HAS EVER SEEN RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW. THIS IS JUST HERE IN THE U.S.
Who did Jesus Christ love the most who did he bless when he visited the people in the Book of Mormon. Why have the Evil ones wanted abortions? I will tell you, each is a sacrifice to Satan.

https://www.lifenews.com/2016/01/14/585 ... e-in-1973/

ldspatriotsawoken wrote: ↑October 21st, 2018, 4:43 pm I here talk about blood shed and I wonder if we have had enough? HOW DO WE WAKE UP AND SEE THE MOST HORRIFIC BLOOD SHED THIS WORLD HAS EVER SEEN RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW. THIS IS JUST HERE IN THE U.S.
Who did Jesus Christ love the most who did he bless when he visited the people in the Book of Mormon. Why have the Evil ones wanted abortions? I will tell you, each is a sacrifice to Satan

https://www.lifenews.com/2016/01/14/585 ... e-in-1973/

Yes abortion is evil and sickening... but in the article what it does not address is why there are statistically somewhat fewer abortions today. And that is because other means and methods are just becoming more efficient in say "prevention" or "birth control" which I think some or even most of those methods are along the same line as abortion. So to me even if abortion was stopped completely our mentality is still the same and that is we in America do not want a family, or at least just a small one. Even in mormondom that sickening evil has crept in...

This statement by Ezera Taft Benson is one of the reasons I am posting on this board about bringing back the Constitution from destruction as predicted.


It has been suggested, however, that the fundamental principles of the Constitution will be upheld and the nation will be saved as members of the Church simply live the gospel. President Benson has responded to this suggestion as follows:
"Satan is anxious to neutralize the inspired counsel of the prophet and hence keep the priesthood off balance, ineffective, and inert in the fight for freedom. He does this through diverse means, including the use of perverse reasoning.
"For example, he will argue, 'There is no need to get involved in the fight for freedom;all you need to do is live the gospel.' Of course this is a contradiction, because we cannot fully live the gospel and not be involved in the fight for freedom.
"The cause of freedom is a most basic part of our religion. Our position on freedom helped get us to this earth and it can make the difference as to whether we get back home or not." (Ibid., p. 656.)
•   And finally, President Benson has warned: "One of our most serious problems is the inferiority complex which people feel when they are not informed and organized. They dare not make a decision on these vital issues. They let other people think for them. They stumble around in the middle of the road trying to avoid being 'controversial,' and get hit by traffic going both ways. In this mighty struggle each of you has a part. Every person on the earth today chose the right side during the War in Heaven. Be on the right side now. Stand up and be counted." (Ibid., p. 387.)

This is the Q following in a nut shell

The conspiracy can be defeated. The Insiders are not omnipotent. It is true that they control important parts of the federal government, high finance and the mass media. But they do not control everything, or the vise would already have been closed. We might say the conspiracy controls everything but you. You are their Achilles heel if you are willing to fight. There is an old cliche in sports that quitters never win and winners never quit. We need a million Americans who are not quitters, but, moreover, who have the will to win! . . .

The one thing these conspirators cannot survive is exposure. The Insiders are successful only because so few of their victims know what is being planned and how Insiders are carrying out those plans. Conspiracies can operate only in the dark. They cannot stand the truthful light of day. Once any sizeable minority of the American people becomes aware of the conspiracy and what it is up to, the many decades of patient planning and work by the Insiders in this country can be destroyed in an amazingly short period of time.

This job is largely a matter of getting others to realize that they have been conned and are continuing to be conned. You must become the local arm of the world's largest floating university. But before you can go to work, pointing out these conspiratorial facts to others, you must know the facts yourself. . . . The concept of an army of individuals which is dedicated to exposing "the conspiracy" frightens the Insiders because it works outside the channels which they control. . . .

Democrats and Republicans must break the Insider control of their respective parties. The C.F.R.-types and their flunkies and social climbing opportunist supporters must be invited to leave or else the Patriots must leave.

"The cause of freedom is a most basic part of our religion. Our position on freedom helped get us to this earth and it can make the difference as to whether we get back home or not.". Yet President Nelson has, I believe, never said or written anything about this, as far as I can find. Perhaps someone else can find something he said in the past. I cannot. By my observation, the silence of the Church on the subject of freedom seems to have begun in 1988. I have stated elsewhere why I believe this to be the case. I suspect most Church members have no idea of the importance of freedom, the danger our freedoms are in, and the loss of certain freedoms we have already sustained. Our stake presidency and bishopric have demonstrated to me a total lack of concern for the matter, even though it has been brought to their attention on occasion, even recently. There are clearly other issues (prophetic priorities) that are hot topics now.

This coming Sunday, a fast and testimony Sunday, is just a couple of days before an important election. It provides an excellent opportunity (excuse, if you like) for each of us to give testimony that the cause of freedom is a most basic part of our religion, and that the Lord gave to the United States a blueprint for government that He intended would reverberate to all other lands and endure forever. I think there is gonna be hell to pay by those who, after hearing and reading what latter-day prophets told us about the Constitution and freedom, failed to carry the ball any further.

I AM wrote: ↑October 6th, 2018, 8:06 pm I think it's all great, but it won't last.
It's the calm before the storm.
Revelation 12:1-2
1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven;
a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet,
and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

2 "And she being with child cried, travailing in birth,
and pained to be delivered."
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1 Thessalonians 5:3
3 "For when they shall say, Peace and safety;
then sudden destruction cometh upon them,
as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape."

D&C 136:35
"And now cometh the day of their calamity, even the days of sorrow, like a woman that is taken in travail; and their sorrow shall be great unless they speedily repent, yea, very speedily." D&C 136:35

The fate of this country - "this choice land" is not in the president's hand. it's in God's
And the scriptures have already told us the future, and that American will fall,
and the tribulations will start first on the church,
and the saints will be taken captive for 3 1/2 years.

Here is a sweet talk about this.
https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/marion-g ... e-destiny/

Here is the link to the below:
https://www.lds.org/ensign/1976/06/i-ha ... t?lang=eng

What do we know about the purported statement of Joseph Smith that the Constitution would hang by a thread and that the elders would save it?

D. Michael Stewart, Brigham Young University, Department of History The documents show that Joseph Smith did prophesy a number of times that the United States and the Constitution would be imperiled and that the elders would have a hand in saving them. The first known record of the prophecy dates to July 19, 1840, in Nauvoo, when the prophet spoke about the redemption of Zion. Using Doctrine & Covenants 101 as a text, he said, “Even this nation will be on the verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground and when the Constitution is on the brink of ruin this people will be the staff upon which the nation shall lean and they shall bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction.” (Joseph Smith Papers, LDS Church Historical Archives, Box 1, March 10, 1844.)

There are also other documents in Church History files that show that five different early Saints recorded some remarks by the Prophet Joseph Smith on this same prophecy, perhaps voiced by the Prophet a number of times in a number of ways after 1840. Parley P. Pratt wrote in 1841 that the prophet said, “The government is fallen and needs redeeming. It is guilty of Blood and cannot stand as it now is but will come so near desolation as to hang as it were by a single hair!!!!! Then the servants goes [sic] to the nations of the earth, and gathers the strength of the Lord’s house! A mighty army!!!!!! And this is the redemption of Zion when the saints shall have redeemed that government and reinstated it in all its purity and glory!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” (George A. Smith Papers, Church Archives, Box 7, Folder 5, January 21, 1841.)

James Burgess related that the Prophet, while addressing the Nauvoo Legion several miles east of Nauvoo in May 1843, said that “the time would come when the constitution and government would hang by a brittle thread and would be ready to fall into other hands but this people the latter-day saints will step forth and save it.” (James Burgess Journal, 1818–1904, Church Archives, vol. 1—found among loose sermons.)

Orson Hyde recalled that the Prophet predicted that “the time would come that the Constitution and the country would be in danger of an overthrow and said he, if the constitution be saved at all, it will be by the Elders of this Church. I believe this is about the language as nearly as I can recollect it.” (JD, 6:150.)

In a Pioneer Day celebration in Ogden in 1871, Eliza R. Snow said, “I heard the prophet say, ‘The time will come when the government of these United States will be so nearly overthrown through its corruption, that the Constitution will hang as it were by a single hair, and the Latter-day Saints—the Elders of Israel—will step forward to its rescue and save it.” (Journal History, MSF 143 #28, July 24, 1871.)

Jedediah M. Grant, during the dark days of threatened invasion of Utah by a federal army, referred to the Prophet’s utterance as he addressed a Mormon Battalion gathering in Salt Lake City, February 6, 1855.

“What did the Prophet Joseph say? When the Constitution shall be tottering we shall be the people to save it from the hand of the foe.” (Deseret News Weekly, January 19, 1870.)

On various occasions, Joseph Smith referred to the Constitution, the country, and destiny of the nation; and there is clear evidence that he anticipated future peril. Furthermore, he pronounced the prophecy at various times and places. Perhaps he himself interchanged the simile “on the brink of ruin,” “hang by a brittle thread,” “hang by a single hair,” etc., to describe the anticipated crisis. It is also clear that the redeemers or rescuers of the Constitution were to be either the Saints generally or priesthood officers specifically.

Since no particular time was given for fulfilling this prophecy, members of the Church have often wondered about its timing. The prophecy clearly indicates a single, identifiable episode yet to come. However, it is helpful for us to constantly be on guard against threats to the central elements of the Constitution. It is not wise to sit by and think that the protection of the Constitution is the problem of someone else at some other time.

In support of this view of “constant vigilance,” it is most instructive to note that Church leaders have seen the Constitution imperiled a number of times. Brigham Young, reflecting on the prophecy of 1868, expressed: “It would not be many years before these words come to pass.” (JD, 12:204.) President John Taylor in 1884 declared: “It may be nearer … than some of us think.” (JD, 25:350.) President J. Reuben Clark, Jr., warned in 1942: “Whether it [the Constitution] shall live or die is now in the balance.” (Conference Report, October 1942, p. 58.)

Students of history and the Constitution know that the Constitution has been imperiled a number of times in its history and has been saved a number of times both by vigorous political action and by vocal public opinion.

Thus, rather than simply wait for the one time when the Constitution shall hang by a thread, Latter-day Saints must continually be vigilant. Our commission to save the Constitution is, like salvation, a continuing task, and Church leaders have pointed out the tools available: analysis of constitutional principles, personal study of the history of our nation, reading the Constitution to children at home and in schools, teaching them self-sacrifice—the principle that makes freedom possible—teaching them their obligations as mature citizens, recognizing and resisting ideologies that threaten constitutional principles, and developing loyalty to principle rather than to men or parties.

Politicians and statesmen must grapple with tough questions, painstakingly familiarize themselves with vital issues, and be decisive; but finally, an antidote to abusive government, to corruption, and to constitutional peril lies in private character. Humble people in prayerful homes will contribute immeasurably to a lasting constitutional government. And it should be apparent that consistent efforts in these areas will prepare us both to continually protect the Constitution and to prepare us for possibly a yet future rendezvous with our Constitution’s destiny.

Note the 5 times President Benson used the word "we must" in this October 1987 Conference address.

"How then can we best befriend the Constitution in this critical hour and secure the blessings of liberty and ensure the protection and guidance of our Father in Heaven?

"First and foremost, we must be righteous.
John Adams said, “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” (The Works of John Adams, ed. C. F. Adams, Boston: Little, Brown Co., 1851, 4:31). If the Constitution is to have continuance, this American nation, and especially the Latter-day Saints, must be virtuous.
The Book of Mormon warns us relative to our living in this free land: “Wherefore, this land is consecrated unto him whom he shall bring. And if it so be that they shall serve him according to the commandments which he hath given, it shall be a land of liberty unto them; wherefore, they shall never be brought down into captivity; if so, it shall be because of iniquity; for if iniquity shall abound cursed shall be the land for their sakes, but unto the righteous it shall be blessed forever” (2 Ne. 1:7).
“And now,” warned Moroni, “we can behold the decrees of God concerning this land, that it is a land of promise; and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall serve God, or they shall be swept off when the fulness of his wrath shall come upon them. And the fulness of his wrath cometh upon them when they are ripened in iniquity” (Ether 2:9).
Two great American Christian civilizations—the Jaredites and the Nephites—were swept off this land because they did not “serve the God of the land, who is Jesus Christ” (Ether 2:12). What will become of our civilization?

"Second, we must learn the principles of the Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers.
Have we read The Federalist papers? Are we reading the Constitution and pondering it? Are we aware of its principles? Are we abiding by these principles and teaching them to others? Could we defend the Constitution? Can we recognize when a law is constitutionally unsound? Do we know what the prophets have said about the Constitution and the threats to it?
As Jefferson said, “If a nation expects to be ignorant and free … it expects what never was and never will be” (Letter to Colonel Charles Yancey, 6 Jan. 1816).

"Third, we must become involved in civic affairs to see that we are properly represented.
The Lord said that “he holds men accountable for their acts in relation” to governments “both in making laws and administering them” (D&C 134:1). We must follow this counsel from the Lord: “Honest men and wise men should be sought for diligently, and good men and wise men ye should observe to uphold; otherwise whatsoever is less than these cometh of evil” (D&C 98:10).
Note the qualities that the Lord demands of those who are to represent us. They must be good, wise, and honest.

"Fourth, we must make our influence felt by our vote, our letters, our teaching, and our advice.

"We must become accurately informed and then let others know how we feel. The Prophet Joseph Smith said: “It is our duty to concentrate all our influence to make popular that which is sound and good, and unpopular that which is unsound. ‘Tis right, politically, for a man who has influence to use it. … From henceforth I will maintain all the influence I can get” (History of the Church, 5:286)."


Have any of these commandments been repealed ? What reaction would you expect if in the next testimony meeting you stated that the Lord said "I established the Constitution of this land by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose." and that President Benson said in Conference that "We must learn the principles of the Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers" ? I'd gladly tell of the response that I got for that very thing this month, except there's nothing to tell.

Get out and vote I know in Utah we have already made a choice for Mitt but important laws are also on the ballot PRAY and VOTE some bad stuff is being pushed.
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Your Country Needs You.
Your Vote Matters!
We, the People.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWYrcnehito
The Time is Now.
Patriots Fight!
"Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints."
– Ephesians 6:10-18
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. –That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
– Declaration of Independence
We Will Do Our Job to Protect the Vote.
Will You Do Yours?
Will You Answer the Call?
WWG1WGA!!!
Q

Q posted these on line

Nov 4 2018 16:36:37 (EST)
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https://twitter.com/twiddledout/status/ ... 821704704📁
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https://twitter.com/CrissyLynnn/status/ ... 195695616📁
https://twitter.com/LeighHarvey612/stat ... 756301829📁
Eyes On, VIP Patriots!
The World Is Watching.
Q

https://twitter.com/chadkanera/status/1 ... 480388609📁
We See VIP Patriots!
Where We Go One, We Go ALL!
Q https://twitter.com/Mona87239279/status ... 826576385📁
5:5 - Eyes On, VIP Patriot!
Q

This is real people around the world are waking up the bad guys are attacking this movement they have no basis for their fight, We have facts on our side.
We are the digital ARMY

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... tory.html📁
When you can't discredit this movement using logic and facts, you resort to comparing it to ART?
How many articles has the WASH POST released attacking the 'Q' movement?
Why is the WASH POST dedicated to attacking this movement?
WASH POST owned by AMAZON?
ABC's & AMAZON
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/ ... n/374632/📁
If we aren't a threat, or real, or simply just a conspiracy theory, why the [constant] heavy attacks?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTGkcTWCaio
[Information Warfare][IW]
[Destroy the Controlled Narrative]
POWER BELONGS WITH THE PEOPLE.
WWG1WGA!!!
(((Q+)))
Q

I am also a Patriot, and believe Q Anon is spreading leaven to carefully grow a groundswell of understanding of the atrocities carried out by the Deep State.

Even my wife who hates politics and the stupidness of politicians and their egos, has been saying something isn't right in the country.

Q Anon has come onto the scene with "drops" of intelligent questions to lead our thinking in a particular way, to encourage us to seek understanding and do our own research regarding the troubles that are brewing.

The reason Q is being oblique in his references is because if he stated outright the then there could be grounds of violating secrecy laws. Plus tipping his hand to the evil doers, giving them a heads up is not a good thing.

To understand Q drops, think of parables from the scriptures... they mean something quite clear to those within the spirits influence, but are almost meaningless to those just reading words.

Not to say that Q is a religious theme, but he (she?) does give me hope that justice will prevail, and that with Justice, some Mercy could be along for the ride.

It is clear that the country was going to hell in a hand-basket, and now its not.
I can hardly wait for Tuesday Night with the mid-term election results.

Be aware, that Antifa will act like some NFL fans, and will probably riot in certain cities whether they win or not.

There you have it...

JK4Woods wrote: ↑November 5th, 2018, 4:23 pm . . . . . Not to say that Q is a religious theme, but he (she?) does give me hope that justice will prevail, and that with Justice, some Mercy could be along for the ride.

It is clear that the country was going to hell in a hand-basket, and now its not.
I can hardly wait for Tuesday Night with the mid-term election results.

Be aware, that Antifa will act like some NFL fans, and will probably riot in certain cities whether they win or not.

There you have it...

"Not to say that Q is a religious theme, but he (she?) [they] does [do] give me hope that justice will prevail, and that with Justice, some Mercy could be along for the ride.

Still plenty of Illegal border crossing lots of border to fence off, a matter of national security? or sovereignty? or economics? or all the above.

https://saraacarter.com/its-not-just-ti ... he-border/

New EO involving Nicaragua

https://www.federalregister.gov/documen ... -nicaragua

check out a Q followers twitter feed Joe M

https://twitter.com/StormIsUponUs/statu ... 8050669568

think your vote matters it did in Alaska

https://www.theepochtimes.com/republica ... 28224.html

Dec 5th Huber testifies to house GOP - (prepping Gitmo) EO kicks in for military tribunals 1.1.19


http://www.theintelligencer.net/news/to ... namo-bay/📁
https://www.military.com/daily-news/201 ... hief.html📁
https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politi ... 4199.html📁
"They are unlawful enemy combatants"
Questioning: Graham > KAV re: 'enemy combatants' [unusual?]
Define 'Treason'
EO effective 1.1.19?
DOJ Office of Legal Counsel opinion re: detain re: US Citizen(s) re: 'Enemy Combatant'
Drops combined paint a full picture.
Do you believe in coincidences?
May GOD BLESS those who fight to defend our great Nation.
We, the PEOPLE.
Q

The Clinton Foundation Investigation is Complete!!!
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!!mG7VJxZNCI
7 Dec 2018 - 9:21:52 AM
https://video.foxnews.com/v/59767759550 ... how-clips📁
Interesting music for Fox News?
Sound familiar?
Why 'all of a sudden' are people talking about the CLINTON FOUNDATION (including whistleblowers and hidden company established to investigate covertly (ex_ABCs))?
Would you 'go public' if the investigation was still ongoing?
What happens when you have enough evidence to PROCEED?
What is the benefit of educating the public PRIOR TO proceeding?
COME[Y]
Q

like Trumps Tweet states below - the news media is the enemy they have worked hard to get Jesus Christ out of Americans culture.
Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump

The Trump Administration has accomplished more than any other U.S. Administration in its first two (not even) years of existence, & we are having a great time doing it! All of this despite the Fake News Media, which has gone totally out of its mind-truly the Enemy of the People!
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3:43 PM - Dec 9, 2018

I think Qanon is gaining more credibility, while the MSM is losing more. Even Trump has declared, “I will declassify soon”. It started out a little slow, but it’s getting interesting and gaining momentum.

Jonesy wrote: ↑May 3rd, 2019, 9:21 pm I think Qanon is gaining more credibility, while the MSM is losing more. Even Trump has declared, “I will declassify soon”. It started out a little slow, but it’s getting interesting and gaining momentum.

He has given a few drop dead dates that failed, though. (Something BIG, BIG, BIG is happening in the next 21 days. ZZZZZZ) I'm sure QAnon will come out to be some fox news person in the end. I am over him, but it would be cool if it were true.

ldspatriotsawoken wrote: ↑December 1st, 2018, 6:40 pm think your vote matters it did in Alaska

https://www.theepochtimes.com/republica ... 28224.html

Recount results showed LeBon with 2,663 votes while Dodge had 2,662 votes, after LeBon picked up two votes and Dodge picked up one, according to the Alaska Division of Elections.

3 or 4 more for either, and can you say 9.0.