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Primary Outcast wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 5:46 pm I have it on good authority from one of the ushers (I won't name them for obvious reasons), and I pinkie promised to never ever tell, but I just can't wait 6 more days, and I'll probably face a disciplinary council for leaking this, but here it is...

The call out. Yup. to inner earth. buckle up. We are flying there on the backs of giant eagles LOTR style. it'll be epic!

Primary Outcast wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 5:46 pm I have it on good authority from one of the ushers (I won't name them for obvious reasons), and I pinkie promised to never ever tell, but I just can't wait 6 more days, and I'll probably face a disciplinary council for leaking this, but here it is...

The call out. Yup. to inner earth. buckle up. We are flying there on the backs of giant eagles LOTR style. it'll be epic!

Primary Outcast wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 5:46 pm I have it on good authority from one of the ushers (I won't name them for obvious reasons), and I pinkie promised to never ever tell, but I just can't wait 6 more days, and I'll probably face a disciplinary council for leaking this, but here it is...

The call out. Yup. to inner earth. buckle up. We are flying there on the backs of giant eagles LOTR style. it'll be epic!

Robin Hood wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 4:32 pm

shadow wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 4:22 pm

Thinker wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 3:56 pm Tithe was 10% of increase if there was any. First fruits was not a given amount but left up to the discretion of the giver.

First fruits was a way to calculate tithing and it was the first fruits, that's not up to discretion. Tithing was also calculated as a tenth of whatever went under the rod, which is the same as first fruits.

Shadow, you are mistaken.
However, in truth, the only law of tithing which applies to us today is found in D&C 119. And that is clearly referring to surplus. Just look up the meaning of the word interest, or even increase, in a Websters dictionary from that time.
Case closed.

The simplest statement we know of is the statement of the Lord himself, namely, that the members of the Church should pay 'one-tenth of all their interest annually,' which is understood to mean income. No one is justified in making any other statement than this.

a gain or recurrent benefit usually measured in money that derives from capital or labor
also : the amount of such gain received in a period of time
has an income of $30,000 a year

thisisspartaaa wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 8:29 pm

Robin Hood wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 4:32 pm

shadow wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 4:22 pm

Thinker wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 3:56 pm Tithe was 10% of increase if there was any. First fruits was not a given amount but left up to the discretion of the giver.

First fruits was a way to calculate tithing and it was the first fruits, that's not up to discretion. Tithing was also calculated as a tenth of whatever went under the rod, which is the same as first fruits.

Shadow, you are mistaken.
However, in truth, the only law of tithing which applies to us today is found in D&C 119. And that is clearly referring to surplus. Just look up the meaning of the word interest, or even increase, in a Websters dictionary from that time.
Case closed.

Not so. The answer is the interpretation from 1970:

The simplest statement we know of is the statement of the Lord himself, namely, that the members of the Church should pay 'one-tenth of all their interest annually,' which is understood to mean income. No one is justified in making any other statement than this.

It is referring to the word "income." Merriam-Webster defines it as such:

a gain or recurrent benefit usually measured in money that derives from capital or labor
also : the amount of such gain received in a period of time
has an income of $30,000 a year

It is very clear what the Church is conveying here. If you believe in continual revelation, in the interpretation of Prophets and Apostles, this is the answer.

If you want to refer to "original" interpretation or the "way things used to be" in a Church that is completely and utterly about continual revelation you may want to examine your testimony. We are about to get blasted with more change this coming October.

thisisspartaaa wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 8:29 pm

If you want to refer to "original" interpretation or the "way things used to be" in a Church that is completely and utterly about continual revelation you may want to examine your testimony. We are about to get blasted with more change this coming October.

Col. Flagg wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 11:31 pm For those of you who are unaware... President Lorenzo Snow changed the law of tithing for the Saints when the church was on the verge of bankruptcy in 1899 due to church leaders investing tithing in real estate (which is exactly what's going on right now, only on a much larger scale) as well as exorbitant legal costs due to the practice of polygamy. President Snow told the members they were to from now on pay 10% of their income as a tithe instead of the increase (surplus) that they were practicing. The church suddenly had so much money coming in, it was quickly out of debt and they brought in N. Eldon Tanner to manage all the excess - he began investing it again and started the church on a road to where it is now one of the top wealthiest corporations in the United States. In fact, I believe it were recognized as a true corporation instead of religious organization, it would rank as the 88th wealthiest on Fortune 500's list. I would surmise that even though we are exceptionally wealthy as a church, we are poor in spirit because of it.

Thinker wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 3:17 pm Why does scripture always state tithing in terms of increase, not income?
It’s a similar reason why a business owner with employees to pay and other expenses does not count all of his income as all HIS income. He only counts the increase after he pays the bills/paychecks.

An example:
2 men earn the exact same income.
1st man is the sole provider of a family of 7 so after paying (bills) for his family to be housed, clothed and fed - there is no increase left.
2nd man lives with his parents who pay all of the bills - so all of his income is increase.
For a church to charge both men the same amount of money for tithing is actually against the law of tithing because it creates poverty, and tithing is intended to help those in need - not hurt them. (Deut. 14:28-29). Tithing is based on increase, not income.

thisisspartaaa wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 8:29 pm

Robin Hood wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 4:32 pm

shadow wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 4:22 pm

Thinker wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 3:56 pm Tithe was 10% of increase if there was any. First fruits was not a given amount but left up to the discretion of the giver.

First fruits was a way to calculate tithing and it was the first fruits, that's not up to discretion. Tithing was also calculated as a tenth of whatever went under the rod, which is the same as first fruits.

Shadow, you are mistaken.
However, in truth, the only law of tithing which applies to us today is found in D&C 119. And that is clearly referring to surplus. Just look up the meaning of the word interest, or even increase, in a Websters dictionary from that time.
Case closed.

Not so. The answer is the interpretation from 1970:

The simplest statement we know of is the statement of the Lord himself, namely, that the members of the Church should pay 'one-tenth of all their interest annually,' which is understood to mean income. No one is justified in making any other statement than this.

It is referring to the word "income." Merriam-Webster defines it as such:

a gain or recurrent benefit usually measured in money that derives from capital or labor
also : the amount of such gain received in a period of time
has an income of $30,000 a year

It is very clear what the Church is conveying here. If you believe in continual revelation, in the interpretation of Prophets and Apostles, this is the answer.

If you want to refer to "original" interpretation or the "way things used to be" in a Church that is completely and utterly about continual revelation you may want to examine your testimony. We are about to get blasted with more change this coming October.

Baurak Ale wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2018, 7:31 am

Thinker wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 3:17 pm Why does scripture always state tithing in terms of increase, not income?
It’s a similar reason why a business owner with employees to pay and other expenses does not count all of his income as all HIS income. He only counts the increase after he pays the bills/paychecks.

An example:
2 men earn the exact same income.
1st man is the sole provider of a family of 7 so after paying (bills) for his family to be housed, clothed and fed - there is no increase left.
2nd man lives with his parents who pay all of the bills - so all of his income is increase.
For a church to charge both men the same amount of money for tithing is actually against the law of tithing because it creates poverty, and tithing is intended to help those in need - not hurt them. (Deut. 14:28-29). Tithing is based on increase, not income.

I can do you one better with an example of this: I saw this dumb widow once give her entire mite to the church! What an inequally yoked slave of the corporation! Boy, did I point my finger and mock. I bet she’ll never know what it feels like to be wealthy in Babylon.

That paragraph was to satire the hypocrites on this forum. What ever happened to, “Prove me herewith sayeth the Lord”?

There was a time not long ago when, with three small children to feed and clothe, I paid tithing and a generous fast offering (some call that part the higher test of faith!) and I found myself with zero dollars and zero cents in my bank accounts. That very night the Lord gave me a dream wherein I was shown my bare pantry (as we were also down to consuming food storage) but it opened to a secret store room that was full of all manner of delicious food (I still get emotional recalling it). I knew then that the Lord is the provider of all things, that He would supply our needs and wants, and that I ought not fear the face of clay. From that day a few years ago until the present, He has not let me down and I have paid 10% on my whole income all along.

Am I wealthy? Let the scripture answer:

“Seek not for riches but for wisdom, and behold, the mysteries of God shall be unfolded unto you, and then shall you be made rich. Behold, he that hath eternal life is rich“ (D&C 6:7).

Thinker wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2018, 7:44 am BaurakAle,
Yes, God and Christ look on the heart. Jesus didn’t focus on the widow giving a small amount to corrupt religious leaders who he knew would soon torture & kill him. He focused on the widow’s heart - how she meant to do good in giving her all. Similarly, when Jesus was approached by a rich man and the rich man refused to part with his wealth to help those in need, he saw his greedy heart and said, “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.”

thisisspartaaa wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 8:29 pm

Robin Hood wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 4:32 pm

shadow wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 4:22 pm

First fruits was a way to calculate tithing and it was the first fruits, that's not up to discretion. Tithing was also calculated as a tenth of whatever went under the rod, which is the same as first fruits.

Shadow, you are mistaken.
However, in truth, the only law of tithing which applies to us today is found in D&C 119. And that is clearly referring to surplus. Just look up the meaning of the word interest, or even increase, in a Websters dictionary from that time.
Case closed.

Not so. The answer is the interpretation from 1970:

The simplest statement we know of is the statement of the Lord himself, namely, that the members of the Church should pay 'one-tenth of all their interest annually,' which is understood to mean income. No one is justified in making any other statement than this.

It is referring to the word "income." Merriam-Webster defines it as such:

a gain or recurrent benefit usually measured in money that derives from capital or labor
also : the amount of such gain received in a period of time
has an income of $30,000 a year

It is very clear what the Church is conveying here. If you believe in continual revelation, in the interpretation of Prophets and Apostles, this is the answer.

If you want to refer to "original" interpretation or the "way things used to be" in a Church that is completely and utterly about continual revelation you may want to examine your testimony. We are about to get blasted with more change this coming October.

That one mingling with scripture the philosophy of a man contradicts many scriptures in the Bible and Doctrine & Covenants - which all state that tithing is on INCREASE (& it’s logical since charging for worthiness on income before bills causes many to not be able to pay bills - increasing poverty).

Is this REALLY “the church of the church leaders”? If so, then it’s their way or the highway. But if this is the Church of Jesus Christ, then let’s consider what Jesus said whenever there might be a conflict...

“Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”-Matt 22:37-40
Repeatedly, like in the parables of the Good Samaritan & the sheep and goats - Jesus taught that as we love others, we love God - and that is most important.

Jesus did not ever state a set amount to give to the poor - realizing some are poor and don’t have any to give but for the very wealthy (which our church is) he commanded to give it all to the poor and come and follow him. But they wouldn’t & Jesus said “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.” Money itself is good when used for good - but when held up above helping those in need - it is damning.

It states that 1/3 of tithes are supposed to be given to those in need - in Deuteronomy 14:28-29. Look in lds paper bible index & dictionary under “tithing,” & see that scripture is missing. It’s as if church leaders did not want members knowing about such an important scripture dictating how tithing collectors were supposed to handle sacred tithes. Although lds church leaders keep finances dark & secret, Dallin Oaks admitted that no tithes go to the poor. This is breaking the greatest commandments which prioritize above “all the law and the prophets.”

I worship God - not church leaders. I follow Christ’s core teachings so I send my tithes to those in need.

Robin Hood wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 4:32 pm

shadow wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 4:22 pm

Thinker wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 3:56 pm Tithe was 10% of increase if there was any. First fruits was not a given amount but left up to the discretion of the giver.

First fruits was a way to calculate tithing and it was the first fruits, that's not up to discretion. Tithing was also calculated as a tenth of whatever went under the rod, which is the same as first fruits.

Shadow, you are mistaken.
However, in truth, the only law of tithing which applies to us today is found in D&C 119. And that is clearly referring to surplus. Just look up the meaning of the word interest, or even increase, in a Websters dictionary from that time.
Case closed.

Robin Hood wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 9:45 pm

thisisspartaaa wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 8:29 pm

Robin Hood wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 4:32 pm

shadow wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 4:22 pm

First fruits was a way to calculate tithing and it was the first fruits, that's not up to discretion. Tithing was also calculated as a tenth of whatever went under the rod, which is the same as first fruits.

Shadow, you are mistaken.
However, in truth, the only law of tithing which applies to us today is found in D&C 119. And that is clearly referring to surplus. Just look up the meaning of the word interest, or even increase, in a Websters dictionary from that time.
Case closed.

Not so. The answer is the interpretation from 1970:

The simplest statement we know of is the statement of the Lord himself, namely, that the members of the Church should pay 'one-tenth of all their interest annually,' which is understood to mean income. No one is justified in making any other statement than this.

It is referring to the word "income." Merriam-Webster defines it as such:

a gain or recurrent benefit usually measured in money that derives from capital or labor
also : the amount of such gain received in a period of time
has an income of $30,000 a year

It is very clear what the Church is conveying here. If you believe in continual revelation, in the interpretation of Prophets and Apostles, this is the answer.

If you want to refer to "original" interpretation or the "way things used to be" in a Church that is completely and utterly about continual revelation you may want to examine your testimony. We are about to get blasted with more change this coming October.

So, you go to work and are paid a salary.
What is your gain?

Think about the self-employed business owner or similar. Is all the "income" the same as "gain"? Clearly not.

I think you have an inaccurate view of the definition of "income". Income is the gain derived from labour rather than the compensation for it.
Understand that and you will understood the law of tithing.

Interest
IN'TEREST, verb transitive [Latin inter and esse.]

1. To concern; to affect; to excite emotion or passion, usually in favor, but sometimes against a person or thing. A narration of suffering interests us in favor of the sufferer. We are interested in the story or in the fate of the sufferer. We are interested to know the result, issue or event of an enterprise. It is followed by in or for. We are interested in the narration, but for the sufferer.

2. To give a share in. Christ, by his atonement, has interested believers in the blessings of the covenant of grace.

3. To have a share.

We are not all interested in the public funds, but we are all interested in the happiness of a free government.

4. To engage; as, to interest one in our favor.

To interest one's self, is to take a share or concern in.

IN'TEREST, noun Concern; advantage; good; as private interest; public interest

Divisions hinder the common interest and public good.

1. Influence over others. They had now lost their interest at court.

He knew his interest sufficient to procure the office.

2. Share; portion; part; participation in value. He has parted with his interest in the stocks. He has an interest in a manufactory of cotton goods.

3. Regard to private profit.

'Tis interest calls off all her sneaking train.

4. Premium paid for the use of money; the profit per cent derived from money lent, or property used by another person, or from debts remaining unpaid. Commercial states have a legal rate of interest Debts on book bear an interest after the expiration of the credit. Courts allow interest in many cases where it is not stipulated. A higher rate of interest than that which the law allows, is called usury.

Simple interest is that which arises from the principal sum only.

Compound interest is that which arises from the principal with the interest added; interest on interest

5. Any surplus advantage.

With all speed, you shall have your desire with interest.

Surplus
SUR'PLUS, noun [Latin id., more.]

1. Overplus; that which remains when use is satisfied; excess beyond what is prescribed or wanted. In the United States, the surplus of wheat and rye not required for consumption or exportation, is distilled.

2. In law, the residuum of an estate, after the debts and legacies are paid.

Tithe
TITHE, noun The tenth part of any thing; but appropriately, the tenth part of the increase annually arising from the profits of land and stock, allotted to the clergy for their support. Tithes are personal, predial, or mixed; personal, when accruing from labor, art, trade and navigation; predial, when issuing from the earth, as hay, wood and fruit; and mixed, when accruing from beasts, which are fed from the ground.

TITHE, verb transitive To levy a tenth part on; to tax to the amount of a tenth.

When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase. Deuteronomy 26:12.

Ye tithe mint and rue. Luke 11:42.

TITHE, verb intransitive To pay tithes.

abijah wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2018, 10:30 am I have like $5 after my living expenses. I’ve been paying way too much tithing!!

Finrock wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2018, 8:05 am

Baurak Ale wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2018, 7:31 am

Thinker wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 3:17 pm Why does scripture always state tithing in terms of increase, not income?
It’s a similar reason why a business owner with employees to pay and other expenses does not count all of his income as all HIS income. He only counts the increase after he pays the bills/paychecks.

An example:
2 men earn the exact same income.
1st man is the sole provider of a family of 7 so after paying (bills) for his family to be housed, clothed and fed - there is no increase left.
2nd man lives with his parents who pay all of the bills - so all of his income is increase.
For a church to charge both men the same amount of money for tithing is actually against the law of tithing because it creates poverty, and tithing is intended to help those in need - not hurt them. (Deut. 14:28-29). Tithing is based on increase, not income.

I can do you one better with an example of this: I saw this dumb widow once give her entire mite to the church! What an inequally yoked slave of the corporation! Boy, did I point my finger and mock. I bet she’ll never know what it feels like to be wealthy in Babylon.

That paragraph was to satire the hypocrites on this forum. What ever happened to, “Prove me herewith sayeth the Lord”?

There was a time not long ago when, with three small children to feed and clothe, I paid tithing and a generous fast offering (some call that part the higher test of faith!) and I found myself with zero dollars and zero cents in my bank accounts. That very night the Lord gave me a dream wherein I was shown my bare pantry (as we were also down to consuming food storage) but it opened to a secret store room that was full of all manner of delicious food (I still get emotional recalling it). I knew then that the Lord is the provider of all things, that He would supply our needs and wants, and that I ought not fear the face of clay. From that day a few years ago until the present, He has not let me down and I have paid 10% on my whole income all along.

Am I wealthy? Let the scripture answer:

“Seek not for riches but for wisdom, and behold, the mysteries of God shall be unfolded unto you, and then shall you be made rich. Behold, he that hath eternal life is rich“ (D&C 6:7).

It sounds like you are saying that you are a much better person than all the "hypocrites on this forum" because of the way that you have decided that you want to pay tithing.

I love how you try to use "scripture" language to make your post sound "legit".

I have paid tithing the way that I pay tithing which sounds different from how you pay tithing, and guess what? God has not let me down and God has blessed me tremendously. If your way is superior, how come God is blessing me, not letting me down, and is pleased with me?

-Finrock

Durzan wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2018, 10:34 am

abijah wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2018, 10:30 am I have like $5 after my living expenses. I’ve been paying way too much tithing!!

Just be glad its tithing and not the Law of Consecration... not that the two are neccessarily mutually exclusive.

abijah wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2018, 10:37 am

Durzan wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2018, 10:34 am

abijah wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2018, 10:30 am I have like $5 after my living expenses. I’ve been paying way too much tithing!!

Just be glad its tithing and not the Law of Consecration... not that the two are neccessarily mutually exclusive.

So the margin between me living the law of tithing versus the law of consecration comes out to $4.50?

Sirius wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2018, 10:36 am

Finrock wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2018, 8:05 am

Baurak Ale wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2018, 7:31 am

Thinker wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 3:17 pm Why does scripture always state tithing in terms of increase, not income?
It’s a similar reason why a business owner with employees to pay and other expenses does not count all of his income as all HIS income. He only counts the increase after he pays the bills/paychecks.

An example:
2 men earn the exact same income.
1st man is the sole provider of a family of 7 so after paying (bills) for his family to be housed, clothed and fed - there is no increase left.
2nd man lives with his parents who pay all of the bills - so all of his income is increase.
For a church to charge both men the same amount of money for tithing is actually against the law of tithing because it creates poverty, and tithing is intended to help those in need - not hurt them. (Deut. 14:28-29). Tithing is based on increase, not income.

I can do you one better with an example of this: I saw this dumb widow once give her entire mite to the church! What an inequally yoked slave of the corporation! Boy, did I point my finger and mock. I bet she’ll never know what it feels like to be wealthy in Babylon.

That paragraph was to satire the hypocrites on this forum. What ever happened to, “Prove me herewith sayeth the Lord”?

There was a time not long ago when, with three small children to feed and clothe, I paid tithing and a generous fast offering (some call that part the higher test of faith!) and I found myself with zero dollars and zero cents in my bank accounts. That very night the Lord gave me a dream wherein I was shown my bare pantry (as we were also down to consuming food storage) but it opened to a secret store room that was full of all manner of delicious food (I still get emotional recalling it). I knew then that the Lord is the provider of all things, that He would supply our needs and wants, and that I ought not fear the face of clay. From that day a few years ago until the present, He has not let me down and I have paid 10% on my whole income all along.

Am I wealthy? Let the scripture answer:

“Seek not for riches but for wisdom, and behold, the mysteries of God shall be unfolded unto you, and then shall you be made rich. Behold, he that hath eternal life is rich“ (D&C 6:7).

It sounds like you are saying that you are a much better person than all the "hypocrites on this forum" because of the way that you have decided that you want to pay tithing.

I love how you try to use "scripture" language to make your post sound "legit".

I have paid tithing the way that I pay tithing which sounds different from how you pay tithing, and guess what? God has not let me down and God has blessed me tremendously. If your way is superior, how come God is blessing me, not letting me down, and is pleased with me?

-Finrock

I don't understand you being offended by what he said, and then proceeding in trying to belittle him and his experience. I think his experience is great, and again a good reminder that all we have belongs to the Lord. He will still bless all of us, regardless of where our heart is in understanding that. Heaven knows I am still working out the fear of what I might be asked to sacrifice. So I applaud any who are striving to obey the Lord in the best way they know how, and the sacrifices they are making in doing so.

Sirius wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2018, 10:50 am If we are truly trying to understand the spirit and reason for tithing, why are we looking to interpret any scripture regarding it in terms of, "what's most fair for me"? Our Father LOVES us and is blessing us regardless if we pay a tithe or not. He is looking for ways to bless us, not ways to withhold. We would do well to follow His example.

Mark wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2018, 10:08 am

Robin Hood wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 9:45 pm

thisisspartaaa wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 8:29 pm

Robin Hood wrote: ↑October 1st, 2018, 4:32 pm

Shadow, you are mistaken.
However, in truth, the only law of tithing which applies to us today is found in D&C 119. And that is clearly referring to surplus. Just look up the meaning of the word interest, or even increase, in a Websters dictionary from that time.
Case closed.

Not so. The answer is the interpretation from 1970:

The simplest statement we know of is the statement of the Lord himself, namely, that the members of the Church should pay 'one-tenth of all their interest annually,' which is understood to mean income. No one is justified in making any other statement than this.

It is referring to the word "income." Merriam-Webster defines it as such:

a gain or recurrent benefit usually measured in money that derives from capital or labor
also : the amount of such gain received in a period of time
has an income of $30,000 a year

It is very clear what the Church is conveying here. If you believe in continual revelation, in the interpretation of Prophets and Apostles, this is the answer.

If you want to refer to "original" interpretation or the "way things used to be" in a Church that is completely and utterly about continual revelation you may want to examine your testimony. We are about to get blasted with more change this coming October.

So, you go to work and are paid a salary.
What is your gain?

Think about the self-employed business owner or similar. Is all the "income" the same as "gain"? Clearly not.

I think you have an inaccurate view of the definition of "income". Income is the gain derived from labour rather than the compensation for it.
Understand that and you will understood the law of tithing.

You are just making Shadows point here mate. He has said many times before in these discussions about tithing that a self employed business person will have a different way of figuring out their tithed income.
I am self employed and understand that concept very well. There are necessary business expenses that go along with what I bring in on a gross basis from my business and so I figure that in just like I do when figuring out my taxes when I'm calculating my personal income to tithe. However if most people who are not self employed did as the Col and you suggest and just paid on any "surplus" they had left after ALL their monthly bills and home expenses were paid in full there would be virtually nothing left to pay tithing on. I guess maybe that is a good way of justifying paying next to nothing in building up the kingdom but I doubt it will fly with how the Lord looks at things.

Let's say I work for xyz company and make 3000 per mo. In income. After paying all the monthly bills and home expenses I may have a hundred bucks or pounds if you like left over if I'm lucky so I pull out a $10 and give it to the Bishop for my tithing. Many people wouldn't have anything left over after paying all their monthly bills so they are justifying themselves in paying absolutely nothing at all in tithing? That would probably be the case with most members of the church. I can tell you that if everyone had been doing that over the years temples and chapels would definitely not dot the globe. The church would be lucky to even pay the expenses for a very small few to keep them operating. I'm just glad most people in the church are much more generous in the payment of tithing that you guys seem to want to be. The furthering of the Lords work deserves much more of a priority than just throwing the Lord a scrappy chewed on broken wishbone after the entire bird and all the fixins has been gluttonously consumed.