When is the 7 years or prosperity.. how many left?

[WildOliveBranch]

Hi hi... Thank you for your responses in advance.. do any of you know when the 7 years of prosperity begin... I know it seems that US may be poised for war, from even atheist accounts, but somehow I kept feeling an impression that the seven years begins after this fall & would last through 2025... is that just my hopeful thinking?? Thanks for anything any of you have to offer!!

[Alaris]

Hi hi... Thank you for your responses in advance.. do any of you know when the 7 years of prosperity begin... I know it seems that US may be poised for war, from even atheist accounts, but somehow I kept feeling an impression that the seven years begins after this fall & would last through 2025... is that just my hopeful thinking?? Thanks for anything any of you have to offer!!

Welcome to the forum!

Some believe there will be 7 years of prosperity followed by 7 years of famine / destruction. I am not averse to this idea, though I have not studied it out as some have.

Joseph of Egypt has more page real estate dedicated to him than any other Genesis character. I believe he, his story, and his birthright represents the end time servant that is on display all throughout Isaiah. Joseph gathers his brothers - the patriarchs of the tribes of Israel - to him to save them from famine and destruction. He is hidden to them, and his true name is not known to them but his Egyptian name. Of course, there is a lot more to this than just that - however I tend to look at the "Why" behind things rather than the what / where details. So, the 7 years of plenty and 7 years of skinny makes sense to me.

On the other hand, President Nelson seems to be emphasizing a spiritual readiness rather than a temporal of late, though he has emphasized the gathering of Israel being our prime directive at the present.

Some also believe that 2033 will be the year of the second coming. This makes sense to me, provided our calendar is accurate, and I do think we are accurate within 1-2 years. Was Jesus born 1 BC or 1 AD? He was born in the spring and fulfilled the Spring festivals. The fall festivals are unfulfilled. So, if the Savior was born in 1 BC (there is no year zero) then he would have turned 33 in the year 33 AD.

Of course, there's those who believe "no man knoweth the hour" to mean we can't possibly know the year. "No man knoweth the hour" may be a reference to Rosh Hashana, which just occurred by the way, for the High Holy Day Rosh Hanshana occurs at the onset of a new moon and not by a set calendar day iirc. People are certainly welcome to that view, but looking at the wording of Jesus' prophecy in the inspired version is important:

JST Matthew:39 So likewise, mine elect, when they shall see all these things, they shall know that he is near, even at the doors;

40 But of that day, and hour, no one knoweth; no, not the angels of God in heaven, but my Father only.

Several important truths can be divined by these simple words. The elect shall see - the non-elect shall not "see." There is a great scripture in D&C that indicates this truth - that only those looking in faith will even see the signs of His coming. Those who are not looking in faith will simply not see the signs.

More importantly to this discussion, no one knoweth the day or hour. What about the week? The year? And notice the lack of the future tense here. If the Lord had said, "No one will know the day or hour" then that would exclude anyone from knowing until it happens - a common misinterpretation of this scripture imho. No one knows the day or the hour - does that mean no one will ever know? Will that information ever be revealed, especially as it draws near? Maybe ...

Circling back to your question, if 2033 is the year - and it may be, maybe not - then 2018 + 7 + 7 = 2032. That certainly puts us close to 2033.

Like I said earlier, there are those who spend more time studying these dates more than I - hopefully they can chime in here if and where I have erred.

[EmmaLee]

https://www.lds.org/ensign/1996/12/when ... e?lang=eng

Elder Russell M. Ballard -

"Toward the end of the Savior’s ministry, His disciples came to Him with several questions centered on one key prophetic event: “Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?” (Matt. 24:3).

Two thousand years ago Christ’s followers were concerned about that. Every generation of believers since then, I think, has been concerned about the last days to one degree or another. So the Lord’s response to His disciples is meaningful to all of us. To the first question—“When shall these things be?”—He said, “Take heed that no man deceive you” (Matt. 24:3–4). That is very significant.

“For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

“And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

“For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places” (Matt. 24:5–7).

~~~

Can we use this scientific data to extrapolate that the Second Coming is likely to occur during the next few years, or the next decade, or the next century? Not really. I am called as one of the Apostles to be a special witness of Christ in these exciting, trying times, and I do not know when He is going to come again. As far as I know, none of my brethren in the Quorum of the Twelve or even in the First Presidency knows. And I would humbly suggest that if we do not know, then nobody knows, no matter how compelling their arguments or how reasonable their calculations. The Savior said that “of that day, and hour, no one knoweth; no, not the angels of God in heaven, but my Father only” (JST, Matt. 1:40).

I believe that when the Lord says “no one” knows, He really means that no one knows. We should be extremely wary of anyone who claims to be an exception to divine decree.

But while the exact timing of the Second Coming remains in doubt, there is no question that scriptural prophecy relative to that momentous and sacred event is being fulfilled, sometimes in remarkable ways. For example, let’s consider the 24th chapter of Matthew, verse 8, where it reads: “All these [the trials and calamities mentioned earlier] are the beginning of sorrows.”

There are times when there is persecution—even violence on occasion—against the Church. I have personally worked through the aftermath of violence against the Church and know that to establish the Church requires a great deal of dedication, hard work, and courage.

Continuing His discussion of His own Second Coming, Jesus said:

“And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

“And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many” (Matt. 24:10–11).

Some Latter-day Saints may not be aware of it, but there are “false prophets” rising within and without the Church. They believe they have had revelations, that they know something the First Presidency and the Twelve Apostles don’t know. We need to be very careful of such people. Members who are ever approached by anyone claiming special authority or revelation from God outside the sustained priesthood authority should turn and run from them as fast as they can. The Savior said that in the last days even the very elect could be pulled away from the truth by such false prophets.

A few groups have drifted away from the gospel under the direction of those who claim to have received special instruction through personal revelation, and some have declared themselves to be prophets. I know of one group that is led by a bright, capable, articulate young man who claims to have received a revelation that he is the prophet and that he was called of God to establish the true Church. Sadly, there are those who have chosen to follow such individuals, who in turn lead them directly away from the principles of truth and righteousness. Perhaps that is why it is so interesting to me that when the Master was asked about the sign of His Second Coming and the end of the world, He first responded by warning His listeners to beware of false prophets."

[WildOliveBranch]

WOW, you two, Alaris & EmmaLee!! THANK you for your generous answers. I'm just wondering if I have time to start a new business!! That's the truth! Thank you so much!! I felt that things felt okay to proceed... you both are great..

[Blessed]

I'm no financial adviser, and of course it depends a lot on what the business is. But current conditions are, in my opinion, very bad. We are in the "everything bubble" (technically not true, but close enough). The global financial system has been on the brink of collapse for 30 years. In 2008, the best thing that could have happened would have been to suffer the pain and let it play out and reset the system, and wipe out the bad investments. Instead it was papered over and in ten years we have made the underlying problems many times worse.

All that said, the central bankers are clever serpents, and they very well may pull another rabbit out of the hat, and kick the collapse another 10, 20, or 50 years down the road. The end game is that they want to own everything, or virtually everything, and they will do it by debt and then making it impossible to repay that debt. They foreclose on everything and own virtually everything. The entire system is intended to collapse, but only when their ducks are lined up for maximum gain.

FWIW, I'm also a bit of a pessimist, or as I like to see it a realist. Ultimately pray and make your own decisions.

[Blessed]

Also, if you move forward, may God bless your endeavor. I firmly believe that entrepreneurs that believe in themselves and try to build something to improve the world in some way, are the salt of the earth.

[Alaris]

WOW, you two, Alaris & EmmaLee!! THANK you for your generous answers. I'm just wondering if I have time to start a new business!! That's the truth! Thank you so much!! I felt that things felt okay to proceed... you both are great..

You're welcome! I too have had such thoughts about ventures, "Is there enough time to do such and such?" Of course, we can and should seek answers to those prayers as to whether we should proceed. I wouldn't take a yes or a not to extrapolate the time of tribulation necessarily.

[BeNotDeceived]

Hi hi... Thank you for your responses in advance.. do any of you know when the 7 years of prosperity begin... I know it seems that US may be poised for war, from even atheist accounts, but somehow I kept feeling an impression that the seven years begins after this fall & would last through 2025... is that just my hopeful thinking?? Thanks for anything any of you have to offer!!

A personal dilemma brought to mind scriptural encouragement to experiment and excise a particle of faith.Then I came across an interesting book on the subject and created Behold I have forewarned you ... as a summary.

All this coupled with the idea that the great plan of happiness is the greatest story even written, and like other great portrayals it may foreshadow future events. Really, it was amazing to discover how changes in GDP have aligned with a solar eclipse. The first eclipse is when prosperity was first known to exist, and the second eclipse is seven years after April 2017.

Prosperity as defined is tenuous considering national debt, etc.

[BackBlast]

WOW, you two, Alaris & EmmaLee!! THANK you for your generous answers. I'm just wondering if I have time to start a new business!! That's the truth! Thank you so much!! I felt that things felt okay to proceed... you both are great..

There is some time left. If that is what you want to do, I'd go for it. Though I would check that this is something the Lord would have you do as well. Sometimes what we want and what He wants will be different and we need to be mindful of that.

If you want financial advice, avoiding debt and being conservative in your appetites and desires is a good idea. This puts you in the position where you are beholden to the least number of people and gives you the greatest flexibility to take advantage of opportunity or switch directions if you want to.

I'll go further out on a limb for general advice and say if you are under 50, I don't advise plowing any funds into retirements accounts. Though I, personally, do a 401k (if there is any matching) as a job-loss insurance. You can always cash out when you switch positions. This is reasonably sound historically as when countries hit the financial brick wall they always raid the retirement accounts and put in IOUs just like they have already done with social security.

I also like a fair amount of term life insurance on everyone in the family in the expectation of increasing unrest, violence, and natural disasters.

This advice is worth exactly what you paid for it.

[Rand]

WOW, you two, Alaris & EmmaLee!! THANK you for your generous answers. I'm just wondering if I have time to start a new business!! That's the truth! Thank you so much!! I felt that things felt okay to proceed... you both are great..

Be prayerful, and when the Lord responds, go that way. In reality it is just money. You can never have enough to give you security. So, if you gain life experience from it, and it serves your eternal disposition, who cares what phase this temporary existence is in. No worries, just do what is right, as usual.

[WildOliveBranch]

Thank you, all of you. I feel like I'd had a good feeling of the Spirit to go forward with my idea this fall (about 3 months ago), it's not a huge investment, it will mostly take sweat equity.. & now its fall..... but then I got into a bit of studying & of course with all the civic unrest, etc.. & I freaked out got scared (the oscillating emotional hazard of our generation, lol)... HOWEVER, I *did* remember that Uchtdorf told us to enjoy & love the times & people around us & not fear nor bunker down (I'm roughly paraphrasing Summer With Aunt Rose, Fall 2015).. so I'm glad that you folks are pretty well confirming what I felt The Lord had already "spoken peace to [me] concerning the matter!" THANKS MUCH!

[brianj]

WOW, you two, Alaris & EmmaLee!! THANK you for your generous answers. I'm just wondering if I have time to start a new business!! That's the truth! Thank you so much!! I felt that things felt okay to proceed... you both are great..

I once spoke to a bishop about my unrequited dreams. He told me that he dreamed of traveling to Hawaii but he was going to save it for retirement because that's financially wise and responsible. A little while after he was released from his calling he died in a freak accident.

Is the business a dream of yours and can you afford it if it doesn't succeed? If the answer to both is yes then I say go for it. I have seen studies saying that at the end of their lives people generally don't regret what they did. They regret what they didn't do.

[brianj]

On a tangent to the original post, what prophecy or prophecies say the seven years of plenty followed by seven years of famine that happened to ancient Egypt is going to be repeated before the Second Coming? I frequently see people saying seven and seven, but I am not familiar with any prophetic statements to support this idea.

[kirtland r.m.]

On a tangent to the original post, what prophecy or prophecies say the seven years of plenty followed by seven years of famine that happened to ancient Egypt is going to be repeated before the Second Coming? I frequently see people saying seven and seven, but I am not familiar with any prophetic statements to support this idea.

I have not seen a 7 years or prosperity prophesy for the later days, here is some info. on the tribulation period, believed by many to last seven years.
Because in the Bible it sounds like the Battle of Armageddon will last 3 1/2 years, and an anti-Christ will oversee a global economic system for 3 1/2 years, Evangelical and other conservative Christian groups talk about a period of seven years of tribulation. Some of these sects expect a “pre-tribulation rapture,” wherein the righteous will be taken up to heaven before the world’s worst trials begin. Mormons believe such a doctrine is NOT biblical. Those who believe in a pre trib. rapture may stumble hard when they don't see that happen. We don’t believe a pre-tribulation rapture will occur, but that the righteous will be caught up to meet Christ at His Second Coming. However, this is the culmination and end of the period of tribulation, the ushering in of the millennial age, wherein Christ will reign, and earth will be like paradise.

In fact, the scriptures say, “I have sworn in my wrath, and decreed wars upon the face of the earth, and the wicked shall slay the wicked, and fear shall come upon every man; And the saints also shall hardly escape; nevertheless, I, the Lord, am with them, and will come down in heaven from the presence of my Father and consume the wicked with unquenchable fire. And behold, this is not yet, but by and by” (Doctrine and Covenants 63:33-35; emphasis mine).

It is because the Saints will not be spared the turmoils, pestilences, wars, and plagues upon the earth, that the Lord has provided ways for them to be protected — “I tell you these things because of your prayers; wherefore, treasure up wisdom in your bosoms, lest the wickedness of men reveal these things unto you by their wickedness, in a manner which shall speak in your ears with a voice louder than that which shall shake the earth; but if ye are prepared ye shall not fear” (Doctrine and Covenants 38:30; emphasis mine). This is fromhttps://mormonbeliefs.org/2016/02/17/wh ... o-mormons/

This coming tribulation period is probably the time when, if true, Lilly Freeze as quoted by Truman Madsen is said to have overheard the Prophet Joseph say that "the time is coming when only later day saint women will want to have children". This is believed by me and others to be he period of time when that prophesied second American Civil War and possible foreign troop invasion will occur.

JD, JOHN TAYLOR 20:318

Were we surprised when the last terrible war took place here in the United States? No; good Latter-day Saints were not, for they had been told about it. Joseph Smith had told them where it would start, that it should be a terrible time of bloodshed and that it should start in South Carolina. But I tell you today the end is not yet. You will see worse things than that, for God will lay his hand upon this nation, and they will feel it more terribly than ever they have done before; there will be more bloodshed, more ruin, more devastation than never they have seen before. Write it down! You will see it come to pass; it is only just starting in. And would you feel to rejoice? No; I would feel sorry. I knew very well myself when this last war was commencing, and could have wept and did weep, over this nation; but there is yet to come a sound of war, trouble and distress, in which brother will be arrayed against brother, father against son, son against father, a scene of desolation and destruction that will permeate our land until it will be a vexation to hear the report thereof.

JD, ORSON PRATT 20:151


But what about the American nation. That war that destroyed the lives of some fifteen or sixteen hundred thousand people was nothing, compared to that which will eventually devastate that country. The time is not very far distant in the future, when the Lord God will lay his hand heavily upon that nations. "How do you know this? inquires one." I know from the revelations which God has given upon this subject. I read these revelations, when they were first given. I waited over twenty-eight years and saw their fulfillment to the very letter. Should I not, then, expect that the balance of them should be fulfilled? That same God who gave the revelations to his servant Joseph Smith in regard to these matters, will fulfil every jot and every tittle that has been spoken, concerning that nation. What then will be the condition of that people, when this great and terrible war shall come? It will be very different from the war between the North and the South. Do you wish me to describe it? I will do so. It will be a war of neighborhood against neighborhood, city against city, town against town, county against county, state against state, and they will go forth destroying and being destroyed and manufacturing will, in a great measure, cease, for a time, among the American nation. Why? Because in these terrible wars, they will not be privileged to manufacture, there will be too much bloodshed--too much mobocracy--too much going forth in bands and destroying and pillaging the land to suffer people to pursue any local vocation with any degree of safety. What will become of millions of the farmers upon that land? They will leave their farms and they will remain uncultivated, and they will flee before the ravaging armies from place to place; and thus will they go forth burning and pillaging the whole country; and that great and powerful nation, now consisting of some forty millions of people, will be wasted away, unless they repent.

TPJS, JOSEPH SMITH :161

I saw men hunting the lives of their own sons, and brother murdering brother, women killing their own daughters, and daughters seeking the lives of their mothers. I saw armies arrayed against armies. I saw blood, desolation, fires. The Son of man has said that the mother shall be against the daughters, and the daughter against the mother. These things are at our doors. They will follow the Saints of God from city to city. Satan will rage, and the spirit of the devil is now enraged. I know not how soon these things will take place; but with a view of them, shall I cry peace? No; I will lift up my voice and testify of them. How long you will have good crops, and the famine be kept off, I do not know; when the fig tree leaves, know then that the summer is nigh at hand.

St Matthew
Chapter 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judæa flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

[brianj]

On a tangent to the original post, what prophecy or prophecies say the seven years of plenty followed by seven years of famine that happened to ancient Egypt is going to be repeated before the Second Coming? I frequently see people saying seven and seven, but I am not familiar with any prophetic statements to support this idea.

Because in the Bible it sounds like the Battle of Armageddon will last 3 1/2 years, and an anti-Christ will oversee a global economic system for 3 1/2 years, Evangelical and other conservative Christian groups talk about a period of seven years of tribulation. Some of these sects expect a “pre-tribulation rapture,” wherein the righteous will be taken up to heaven before the world’s worst trials begin. Mormons believe such a doctrine is NOT biblical. We don’t believe a pre-tribulation rapture will occur, but that the righteous will be caught up to meet Christ at His Second Coming. However, this is the culmination and end of the period of tribulation, the ushering in of the millennial age, wherein Christ will reign, and earth will be like paradise.

In fact, the scriptures say, “I have sworn in my wrath, and decreed wars upon the face of the earth, and the wicked shall slay the wicked, and fear shall come upon every man; And the saints also shall hardly escape; nevertheless, I, the Lord, am with them, and will come down in heaven from the presence of my Father and consume the wicked with unquenchable fire. And behold, this is not yet, but by and by” (Doctrine and Covenants 63:33-35; emphasis mine).

It is because the Saints will not be spared the turmoils, pestilences, wars, and plagues upon the earth, that the Lord has provided ways for them to be protected — “I tell you these things because of your prayers; wherefore, treasure up wisdom in your bosoms, lest the wickedness of men reveal these things unto you by their wickedness, in a manner which shall speak in your ears with a voice louder than that which shall shake the earth; but if ye are prepared ye shall not fear” (Doctrine and Covenants 38:30; emphasis mine). This is fromhttps://mormonbeliefs.org/2016/02/17/wh ... o-mormons/

I know of nothing in scripture that indicates the war will immediately follow the antichrist ruling the globe. And that leader won't have very many followers if he or she isn't able to lead to prosperity.

[Bronco73idi]

Some might say the 14 years have already passed....

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[Robin Hood]

I'm still waiting for my 7 years of prosperity to start.

[nightlight]

I'm still waiting for my 7 years of prosperity to start.

If you are eating chocolate you are in the midst of prosperity.

[Robin Hood]

I'm still waiting for my 7 years of prosperity to start.

If you are eating chocolate you are in the midst of prosperity.

Guilty.
Actually... very guilty!

[shadow]

WOW, you two, Alaris & EmmaLee!! THANK you for your generous answers. I'm just wondering if I have time to start a new business!! That's the truth! Thank you so much!! I felt that things felt okay to proceed... you both are great..

If you want to start a business, start it!
I've been on this site for far too long, over a decade. People back then were posting that the end is near. I've started 3 businesses since that time.

[Alaris]

I'm still waiting for my 7 years of prosperity to start.

If you are eating chocolate you are in the midst of prosperity.

Lol.

[ElizaRSkousen]

WOW, you two, Alaris & EmmaLee!! THANK you for your generous answers. I'm just wondering if I have time to start a new business!! That's the truth! Thank you so much!! I felt that things felt okay to proceed... you both are great..

If you want to start a business, start it!
I've been on this site for far too long, over a decade. People back then were posting that the end is near. I've started 3 businesses since that time.

I just started a hobby business!

[BeNotDeceived]

I'm still waiting for my 7 years of prosperity to start.

3.0
2.8
2.3
2.2

10.3/4 = 2.6 first year average ...

Past patterns of prosperity have been localized, consistent with data that confirms prosperity began in April 2017 and doth continue in the .

[BeNotDeceived]

WOW, you two, Alaris & EmmaLee!! THANK you for your generous answers. I'm just wondering if I have time to start a new business!! That's the truth! Thank you so much!! I felt that things felt okay to proceed... you both are great..

If you want to start a business, start it!
I've been on this site for far too long, over a decade. People back then were posting that the end is near. I've started 3 businesses since that time.

I just started a hobby business!

Awesome, finally today, moving pips correctly summed to 108.

Summing pips, hasn’t left much time to check the charts, but dudeDidPost a great video.

[I AM]

WOW, you two, Alaris & EmmaLee!! THANK you for your generous answers. I'm just wondering if I have time to start a new business!! That's the truth! Thank you so much!! I felt that things felt okay to proceed... you both are great..

If you want to start a business, start it!
I've been on this site for far too long, over a decade. People back then were posting that the end is near. I've started 3 businesses since that time.

I just started a hobby business!

Awesome, finally today, moving pips correctly summed to 108.

Summing pips, hasn’t left much time to check the charts, but dudeDidPost a great video.

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