Senator McCain dead at 81

[Original_Intent]

I'll pass on commenting.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... spartanntp

[Arenera]

A remarkable man, served in the military, and served his country as a senator for many years.

War Hero and Presidential Candidate

[JamesBews]

I'm from Scotland, however, I have a lot of respect for McCain. You guys have lost a good guy.

[Juliet]

I think once on the other side, someone with his kind of experience will have lots of opportunities to help the world move forward. I pray that he will be able to help us now that he has an eternal eye.

We get so caught up in things as mortals. We can be opponents on this side of the veil but hopefully we are teammates on the other side.

[Joel]

[Joel]

[Joel]

[Joel]

[Fiannan]

A lot of better people died today and will not get any recognition.

[ajax]

A remarkable man, served in the military, and served his country as a senator for many years.

War Hero and Presidential Candidate

War Hero or War Criminal?

[Joel]

[lundbaek]

According to the World Affairs Brief of July 21, 2017

CNN is trying to raise Sen. John McCain to hero-cult status even as news quickly circulates that the RINO Republican Senator has brain cancer.

McCain has said he’s itching to get back to work after his surgery nearly a week ago and has been working the phones. But he was told not to travel for two weeks. Now, his movements could be curtailed further by treatments that could include chemotherapy and radiation.

Long-term, McCain’s outlook is daunting. His doctors told CNN’s Sanjay Gupta with McCain’s permission that he was suffering from a gliobastoma tumor, an aggressive form of cancer. Kennedy, who was also diagnosed during a bitter Senate showdown over health care, survived for about 15 months after a similar diagnosis.

CNN has already begun wide coverage on a carefully crafted version of McCain’s life that makes him look like a hero. He is anything but.

He was a less-than-competent Navy pilot who lost 3 aircraft due to pilot error. He’s been used to special treatment all his life, being the son of a WWII Navy Admiral that allowed him to carouse with his buddies and have his bad boy acts overlooked. Of course, this was not so uncommon in the raunchy Navy air wing that prevailed until the notorious “Tail Hook” pilot’s convention scandal that finally forced the Navy to clamp down on public drunkenness and lewd behavior.

He was not a POW war hero from Vietnam, having collaborated with the North Vietnamese in prison, and even covered up, along with Senator John Kerry, for those POW’s the Vietnamese refused to release after the war was over, during Senate hearings on the matter.

His personal lack of morality has followed him out of military service, leading to his divorce with Carol his first wife. He was part of the notorious Keating Five group of senators accused of interfering with regulators in a campaign finance case, but was sort of “cleared” by the ethics committee—a sign that his continued insider immunity was holding.

As a Senator, he’s always been on the neoconservative side, pushing for military intervention around the world, and blasting any principled person (like Ron Paul) who opposed the globalist agenda. He and Sen. Lindsay Graham to the two foremost globalist on the Republican side of the isle. Sadly, there will always be another globalist lackey to replace them when they are gone.

As Chairman of the powerful Senate Armed Services Committee, McCain has been pushing Defense Chief Gen. Mattis to develop a new and more robust military solution to Afghanistan, and one of McCain’s neocon advisors has inserted himself into the Pentagon in order to start using expensive mercenaries again, like the notorious Blackwater group.

[lundbaek]

Immigration Alert - NumbersUSA.com <[email protected]>
Wed 12/17/2014, 9:36 AM

"Senators John McCain and Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) voted to fund Pres. Obama's executive amnesty during the lame-duck session contrary to their earlier statements. They were two of several Senators who had come out against the president's actions, but then voted much differently.
These Senators, including Sens. McCain and Flake, had an opportunity to back up their rhetoric with action when Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) raised a "point of order" challenging the constitutionality of the president's executive action while the Senate debated the 2015 spending bill.
While 21 other Senators stood up and voted with Sen. Cruz, 28 Senators who had previously come out against executive amnesty voted in favor of fully funding it."

[Jonesy]

Q is insinuating it was suicide.

https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2742515.html#2743167

[Elizabeth]

Strange link

[larsenb]

McCain was called the 'songbird' by fellow denizens of Hanoi Hilton for collaborating w/the North Vietnamese. He did express contrition for this in his autobiographical memoirs. But he could be compared to another fellow prisoner who didn't knuckle under to the threat of torture who later received a Medal of Honor (I believe it was). The NVA gave him perks and special treatment for his performance according to his fellow POW's; and being a son of a Pacific Fleet admiral, probably helped this process.

Much later, as a senator from about mid-eighties to early nineties, he almost single handedly squelched attempts to recover and acknowledge the left-behind POW's from Vietnam, for which there was a large amount of evidence.

North Vietnamese have expressed astonishment that the US never tried to repatriate them, saying they had held on to them for the express purpose of using them as bargaining chips with the US.

I had recurring nightmares for decades of being back in VIetnam. This would be almost the ultimate horror for a POW, to be forgotten and ignored . . . . for years in that far-away land, the scene of his extreme trauma. They probably died off from the effects of depression and disease; and who knows, maybe they were just shot when the Vietnamese saw that they were being forgotton. To hold on to them would be a real black eye, if they were repatriated much later.

McCain has a LOT to answer for, IMHO.

Then there is the case of his wife, who supported him all through his captivity. Not long after he was repatriated, his wife was in an accident that rendered her invalid. About 10 years into his freedom, he dumped her. I'm not impressed.

Then there is the Keating affair.

The final charges on his scroll, are his warmongering; collaboration and support of ISIS; and the fact that he was a thorough-going 'globalist'. One of his last speeches was at an international globalist conclave, where he decried Trump upsetting the globalist apple cart.

I don't think McCain is going to RIP. All the misinformed praise for the man is misplaced.

[lundbaek]

I well remember that McCain on occasions voiced support for sealing the border with Mexico, and then when push came to shove he supported an open border and amnesty for illegal immigrants. Arizona's other U.S. senator, Jeff Flake, went right along with that.

[JohnnyL]

Cool!

Looks like we're getting a first-hand glimpse of what happened when Abraham Lincoln died.

[Arenera]

What are the chances you will like who the govenor puts in as the replacement?

[larsenb]

My information in last post came from years of tracking McCain.

Some of the POW information and a good record of his role in squelching repatriation of left-behind POW's/MIA/s can be found in Pulitzer Prize winner, Sydney H. Schanberg's study titled: McCain and the POW Cover-up - The "war hero" candidate buried information about POWs left behind in Vietnam, gets into the nitty gritty of these allegation. You can access the article at: http://www.nationinstitute.org/p/schanberg09182008pt1

You can get more information on the dispute about 'McCain's POW experience' by searching on that directly as well as by adding 'McCain songbird' to the search. He allegedly made multiple propoganda tapes for the NVA, and his debriefing after repatriation has been classified indefinitely, ostensibly to protect the man.

But here is an extract from the article about his 'confession' to the NVA and his debriefing at the Pentagon:

It’s not clear whether the taped confession McCain gave to his captors to avoid further torture has played a role in his post-war behavior in the Senate. That confession was played endlessly over the prison loudspeaker system at Hoa Lo – to try to break down other prisoners – and was broadcast over Hanoi’s state radio. Reportedly, he confessed to being a war criminal who had bombed civilian targets. The Pentagon has a copy of the confession but will not release it. Also, no outsider I know of has ever seen a non-redacted copy of the debriefing of McCain when he returned from captivity, which is classified but could be made public by McCain. (See the Pentagon’s rejection of my attempt to obtain records of this debriefing.)

Here is an extract from the article about a communique found in Russian archives in 1993 telling how the NVA had been holding POW's for express purpose of forcing reparations:

In April 1993, in a Moscow archive, a researcher from Harvard, Stephen Morris, unearthed and made public the transcript of a briefing that General Tran Van Quang gave to the Hanoi politburo four months before the signing of the Paris peace accords in 1973.
In the transcript, General Quang told the Hanoi politburo that 1,205 U.S. prisoners were being held. Quang said that many of the prisoners would be held back from Washington after the accords as bargaining chips for war reparations. General Quang’s report added: “This is a big number. Officially, until now, we published a list of only 368 prisoners of war. The rest we have not revealed. The government of the USA knows this well, but it does not know the exact number … and can only make guesses based on its losses. That is why we are keeping the number of prisoners of war secret, in accordance with the politburo’s instructions.” The report then went on to explain in clear and specific language that a large number would be kept back to ensure reparations.

[Arenera]

Romney’s Essay on McCain

Hatch, Lee, Herbert all said something nice.

[eddie]

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[Durzan]

Oh for Pete's sake... I don't care if you think he was a rat while he was alive or not, can we NOT spend every thread about someone's death pigeon holing their memory with negativity or conspiracy theories that make a mockery of this man?

Senator McCain is not alive right now, and as far as I am concerned he served our country honorably both as a war veteran and as a senator. I may not have agreed with him on his policies or political standpoint, but he has always had some measure of respect from me. I don't care what dirt you may think you have on him, this is not the time nor the place to discuss that nonsense. He spent 4 years in a metal box and at least 1 year fighting brain cancer (while STILL serving as a senator) for heaven's sake, that is gonna take its toll on anyone... and who knows what else he went through between his time in Vietnam and his death. The man deserves honor and respect for his military and political service, especially since neither being a Vietnam POW nor a Senator are easy positions.

[lundbaek]

Senator McCain has had a lot of influence in the shaping of America. I consider it important that as much as possible is known about the man, good and bad. He was one of the three representatives I have had in the US Congress; McCain, Flake, and Sinema. All three promoted and supported actions which I consider detrimental to our constitutional republic; to our rights to life, liberty, and control of property. I want the truth out so that I and other Americans may know what they have done to us. I have been watching McCain as closely as I can for close to twenty years. The media has made it very difficult to do. I cannot say that I know for sure, but I strongly suspect/feel that McCain was a globalist; one among many latter-day gadiantons in the U.S. FedGov. We have in Arizona a retired USAF flyer (weapons officer) who was also a guest at the Hanoi Hilton; over 7 years in capitivity. He detests McCain to this day for his conduct in captivity.

[Teancum]

Oh for Pete's sake... I don't care if you think he was a rat while he was alive or not, can we NOT spend every thread about someone's death pigeon holing their memory with negativity or conspiracy theories that make a mockery of this man?

Senator McCain is not alive right now, and as far as I am concerned he served our country honorably both as a war veteran and as a senator. I may not have agreed with him on his policies or political standpoint, but he has always had some measure of respect from me. I don't care what dirt you may think you have on him, this is not the time nor the place to discuss that nonsense. He spent 4 years in a metal box and at least 1 year fighting brain cancer (while STILL serving as a senator) for heaven's sake, that is gonna take its toll on anyone... and who knows what else he went through between his time in Vietnam and his death. The man deserves honor and respect for his military and political service, especially since neither being a Vietnam POW nor a Senator are easy positions.

Durzan, What if the truth about Cain or Lamech were never told? How would that have shaped our knowledge about the secret combinations recorded in scripture, prophesied, and in more modern times warned explicitly about over the pulpit? What would have happened if the actions, plans, and thought of Hitler were hushed up at the end of World War 2, and instead praise and honor, given with all the negative stuff swept under the rug because he was now dead? Another holocaust would inevitable occur sooner rather than later.

The problem with not exposing the truth that we might know, is that it then becomes next to impossible to warn someone else who does not have first hand knowledge because it is so completely outside the "safe zone" of their worldview or paradigm. People cannot believe without some evidence. In order to not have these things made known unto us by the evil actions that sound louder than words in our ears, we MUST warn others about the secret combinations and their plans, actions, M.O., players, and structure. That is what the Lord tells us in the Doctrine and Covenants.

Now I am not past feeling that I don't have any sympathy for P.O.W.s and their suffering. My own dad was a Prisoner Of War for all of World War 2. On the contrary, I feel that if my father's pre-war secret mission results and warning were heeded and passed to the correct people many lives would have been spared at Pearl Harbor and our readiness would have been much greater. So, because Roosevelt wanted to enter the war, and actively hid and suppressed important warnings of the attack, and ordered a stand down posture, many died, many more suffered, all because of a conspiracy between the leaders of countries. Most of that information was hushed up, history re-written, and poo pooed. Does that serve the memory of those that died? No, this must not happen again. Truth must be revealed despite whomever it may reflect upon.