More false doctrine from our leaders that doesn't line up with scripture and no revelations to back it up. (clarification, I do believe we don't know the end state of someone who commits suicide-it's murder of self-how God judges it-well that's why He's the Judge.
I do have quite a bit of sympathy for these folks. Almost always they have some severe emotional/physical/sexual trauma that has lead to this type of behavior.Lizzy60 wrote: ↑January 7th, 2019, 7:15 pmThey don't because they are immediately blamed for suicides. There are several suicides blamed directly on Oaks' most recent General Conference talk. So, I have a question. With the positive media views and portrayals of all things gay, and the many pro-gay groups in Utah who are claiming to love unconditionally, why does a teenager commit suicide right after an old man gives a church talk? Is it possible that the Holy Ghost or Light of Christ is whispering to these youth that gay sexual acts are sinful, and rather than deal with the conflict, they choose to die? All the support groups in the world will not help a young person who has access to the Holy Ghost and can know from God Himself that he shouldn't live the gay lifestyle.mgridle1 wrote: ↑January 7th, 2019, 7:00 pmAbsolutely, I've been seeing this since I really started investigating this whole sordid mess. Homosexuals aren't sinful fallen people they are really angels send here by God to teach the rest of us horrible sinners how to "love better".Lizzy60 wrote: ↑January 7th, 2019, 2:58 pm USGA is a student group at BYU for LGBT students. Today a young man posted his thoughts on their site, and said that he does not consider his gay orientation a disease nor a detriment, but rather a SUPERPOWER given to him by God, to teach him to love and connect with people in a unique way.
Homosexuality is lifted up on a pedestal as better a higher and holier way. And leadership has failed to call it out and condemn it for what it is. They did previously but they don't anymore.
Ding ding ding!! This is my unpopular personal opinion that comes from knowing a fair number of LGBTQ people (grew up in N.Cal. It's everywhere) and feeling suicidal post partum.
To progressives, love means never asking someone to admit they're wrong.Lizzy60 wrote: ↑January 7th, 2019, 7:15 pmThey don't because they are immediately blamed for suicides. There are several suicides blamed directly on Oaks' most recent General Conference talk. So, I have a question. With the positive media views and portrayals of all things gay, and the many pro-gay groups in Utah who are claiming to love unconditionally, why does a teenager commit suicide right after an old man gives a church talk? Is it possible that the Holy Ghost or Light of Christ is whispering to these youth that gay sexual acts are sinful, and rather than deal with the conflict, they choose to die? All the support groups in the world will not help a young person who has access to the Holy Ghost and can know from God Himself that he shouldn't live the gay lifestyle.mgridle1 wrote: ↑January 7th, 2019, 7:00 pmAbsolutely, I've been seeing this since I really started investigating this whole sordid mess. Homosexuals aren't sinful fallen people they are really angels send here by God to teach the rest of us horrible sinners how to "love better".Lizzy60 wrote: ↑January 7th, 2019, 2:58 pm USGA is a student group at BYU for LGBT students. Today a young man posted his thoughts on their site, and said that he does not consider his gay orientation a disease nor a detriment, but rather a SUPERPOWER given to him by God, to teach him to love and connect with people in a unique way.
Homosexuality is lifted up on a pedestal as better a higher and holier way. And leadership has failed to call it out and condemn it for what it is. They did previously but they don't anymore.
We are on our own. They will hint around it, but they won't come out forcefully against it. If you are waiting for the leadership to "do something" you'll be waiting a long time-they have already fundamentally "&#%!@? out".mike_rumble wrote: ↑January 26th, 2019, 9:58 pmWhat will it take for the General Authorities to speak out against this terrible cultural change, and stop trying to appease the evil in our society?
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requires the less imagination than the rest of this gobbledygook. 
Sweet sister, it is amazing how perverse the Sodomites in and surrounding the Church really are. Stuff like "Latter Gay Stories" is tame. Sodomites have taken the story of the 2000 Sons of Heleman, and turned it into a Sodomite comic book character. (this is not a joke) They laugh and mock; perverting as they go. All while claiming they love the "Gospel".Lizzy60 wrote: ↑February 20th, 2019, 6:50 pm The Augensteins have done another podcast about their advocacy for LDS LGBTQ. This is how I have discovered another pro-gay LDS podcast group with the catchy name "Latter Gay Stories".
I think I'm gonna be sick. Please, Lord Jesus, hasten the day of your coming!
That is disgusting. They say they love the gospel so much that it's too painful to leave the church so they can indulge their perversions, when what they really want is to bring every member down to their level. And the hetero members falling for this mockery believes they are the blessed and chosen ones, while we who still call sodomy a sin are refusing "further light and knowledge". Which, by the way, greatly offends me, that they use the phrase "further light and knowledge" to describe their belief that homosexuality is acceptable to God.FattyArBeltBuckle wrote: ↑February 21st, 2019, 6:06 pmSweet sister, it is amazing how perverse the Sodomites in and surrounding the Church really are. Stuff like "Latter Gay Stories" is tame. Sodomites have taken the story of the 2000 Sons of Heleman, and turned it into a Sodomite comic book character. (this is not a joke) They laugh and mock; perverting as they go. All while claiming they love the "Gospel".Lizzy60 wrote: ↑February 20th, 2019, 6:50 pm The Augensteins have done another podcast about their advocacy for LDS LGBTQ. This is how I have discovered another pro-gay LDS podcast group with the catchy name "Latter Gay Stories".
I think I'm gonna be sick. Please, Lord Jesus, hasten the day of your coming!
Lizzy60 wrote: ↑February 21st, 2019, 6:11 pmThat is disgusting. They say they love the gospel so much that it's too painful to leave the church so they can indulge their perversions, when what they really want is to bring every member down to their level. And the hetero members falling for this mockery believes they are the blessed and chosen ones, while we who still call sodomy a sin are refusing "further light and knowledge". Which, by the way, greatly offends me, that they use the phrase "further light and knowledge" to describe their belief that homosexuality is acceptable to God.FattyArBeltBuckle wrote: ↑February 21st, 2019, 6:06 pmSweet sister, it is amazing how perverse the Sodomites in and surrounding the Church really are. Stuff like "Latter Gay Stories" is tame. Sodomites have taken the story of the 2000 Sons of Heleman, and turned it into a Sodomite comic book character. (this is not a joke) They laugh and mock; perverting as they go. All while claiming they love the "Gospel".Lizzy60 wrote: ↑February 20th, 2019, 6:50 pm The Augensteins have done another podcast about their advocacy for LDS LGBTQ. This is how I have discovered another pro-gay LDS podcast group with the catchy name "Latter Gay Stories".
I think I'm gonna be sick. Please, Lord Jesus, hasten the day of your coming!
That is disappointing. I'm sorry she is feeling so sad. Being a YSA is really a hard time, it was for me anyway. I felt alone in many ways, and not being able to find something uplifting I'm sure just adds to the pain.I AM wrote: ↑March 2nd, 2019, 6:53 pm so sad - the church favoring the LGBT youth - thinking they're doing so much for them,
(when in reality what they're doing is wrong) trying to do so much for them,
while ignoring, thinking that our youth that are not LGBT don't need any help.
My daughter was feeling down, lonely and sad and trying to find
something from the church to encourage her - uplift her.
Being a young single adult, feeling like she can't find many friends
with her same principals and values, she felt down,
so she decide to go to an LDSchannel on youtube
looking for a video with young people,
thinking that she would be able to find something that would uplift her and that she could relate to.
In that moment just when she really needed something to make her feel better,
she clicked on a video that had a thumbnail with
the face of a young person and the title sounded nice.
As she watched it, it was about a young woman who has
attraction for the same sex.
This was an extreme let down and very disappointing.
So she thought "well, ok, this is for the LGBT", and tried to look for another video,
and found one with a thumbnail with a picture of a family with young men with their family and started to watch it, and again it was all about same sex attraction.
She was feeling good that the family was so loving with him
and thought that was great that they were going to help him,
but then instead they just accepted everything and that he was just gay;
with the video only ending with the young man saying
that he didn't know if he will end up marrying a woman in the future,
and the mother saying that she was kinda ok with that.
My daughter felt "How depressing and disappointing."
"What a let down."
Trying to turn to the church and the gospel for help when feeling bad,
and instead finds this.
Well, she started crying.
------------Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 10th, 2019, 3:21 pm Richard Ostler is the (previously) YSA Bishop and current Salt Lake Temple ordinance worker who is going all over the US giving a presentation on being an LGBTQ advocate and a good Mormon at the same time. He also has a podcast called Listen Learn and Love, which features mostly gay LDS and their experiences in the Church. He has a Twitter account where he posts his latest pro-LGBTQ events and thoughts. Here is today's twit:
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"Could the three Nephites return and one come out as gay? I once felt saying that was disrespectful. But now I realize it was my own homophobia that made me see a gay person as ‘less worthy’ or ‘less loved by God’ or ‘less abilty to lead.’ I repent."
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He stays just on the side of the line where he doesn't tell the church (SLC) to accept gay-married LDS as full-fledged members with temple recommends, but he does promote that wards and stakes can be affirming and welcoming all the way up to the level of temple admittance. The rescinding of the Nov 15 policy of gay marriage as apostasy has given him and many others great hope. They think there will be more and more leaders who will not call in gay-marrieds for church discipline. They're probably right, because it's become so trendy and enlightened to condone, and celebrate (!) everything homosexual.
Of course I should once again clarify that I have nothing unkind to think, or say, or believe, about a same-sex attracted person who is striving and praying to overcome any unrighteous thoughts and desires. I know some who do this. My temple-worker friend, and my nephew-in-law, married to my niece. They have my admiration and support.
However, to the pro-gay LDS activists, it is heresy and the most horrible thing imaginable to tell an LGBT that they should not seek and live a gay or trans lifestyle. They call it "erasure" and they preach that it's a horrible thing that leads to suicide.
Elizabeth wrote: ↑April 12th, 2019, 9:24 pm Schools in Birmingham and inHounslow, west London are 'brainwashing' children, Boy, aged four sent home with 'inappropriate' book titled 'Daddy's Roommate', which details the lives of a gay couple and their son.
•The disputed book called Daddy's Roommate is about a gay couple and their son
and includes everyday scenes of the men shaving together in their underwear and resting in bed - the content is 'inappropriate for young children, regardless of faith.'
