LDS Freedom Forum

jadd wrote: ↑August 17th, 2018, 11:06 am

LucianAMD wrote: ↑August 16th, 2018, 3:19 pm Anyone else find this kind of disturbing:
“The term “Mormonism” is inaccurate and should not be used. When describing the combination of doctrine, culture and lifestyle unique to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the term “the restored gospel of Jesus Christ” is accurate and preferred.”

Yeah, I wasn't/am not a big fan of that. I see the Gospel as something different from culture and lifestyle. The Gospel should become our culture and lifestyle, but to imply that it already is, is incorrect in my opinion - at least for most of us.

Yes - generally speaking (in Utah especially) we have become a worldly people - not like the humble homeless Christ who gave all he could to those in need.

For practical purposes, people outside the church have and will refer to us as “Mormons” because there are about 39,000 churches (or denominations) of Jesus Christ worldwide. The name, “Mormon” is more distinctive and thus it is used and will continue to be used to refer to us.

Still, ideally, we live after and honor the name of Jesus Christ.

jadd wrote: ↑August 17th, 2018, 11:43 am

EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 17th, 2018, 11:37 am

EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 16th, 2018, 9:16 pm I just got a notification that the group 'Mormon Women Stand' has changed its name to 'Latter-day Saint Women Stand'. It begins...

And now today, I've received notifications from 1/2 dozen or more Facebook groups I belong to, that had the word "Mormon" or "LDS" in their name, that they've changed their names to having "Latter-day Saint" in the title, instead of "Mormon" or "LDS". Nowhere do the words "Jesus Christ" appear in any of the names though. Curious. I'm still a bit puzzled by all this.

Personally, I believe the idea is to make s realize and emphasize that we should be "Latter-Day Saints" and are members of the Church of Jesus Christ." When finally acknowledging that we are Members of the Church of Jesus Christ (or should be in Spirit and not just body) - it may cause an attitude shift and tonal shift in how we at towards others as well. That isn't to say that it should have been there before, but often we get so focused on acronyms and nicknames that we actually forget who we are supposed to be. I'm mormon and I'm LDS sounds a lot less sacred/impactful that I'm a member of the CHurch of Jesus Christ, or I'm a latter-day saint (or at least trying to be on both accounts). So it was President Nelson's subtle way of calling us to repentance and a subtle call for us to begin to practice what we preach - in and outside of the Church (of Jesus Christ). Unsurprisingly I think most will miss the purpose behind the intent. However, it is necessary because we all learn line upon line, precept upon precept. Thus some will see and some will hear and others will not.

Interesting. I think you're probably right. Reading your words reminded me of a conversation I had with a local conservative radio talk-show host a few years ago. He is virulently anti-Mormon (as are most people around here) and absolutely refuses to ever use the correct name of the Church, and only ever refers to us as "Mormons" (said with derision, of course). I tried to explain to him that the correct name is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and why, etc. and he would have none of it. It truly became ridiculous, and sad, really. He said we have no "right" to use the name of Jesus Christ in our title, because we're not even Christians - and we have no "right" to use the word "Church" because we are a cult. Anyway, I ended up sending him a Book of Mormon and a few other Church manuals, etc. He never thanked me - don't know why.

EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 17th, 2018, 11:37 am

EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 16th, 2018, 9:16 pm I just got a notification that the group 'Mormon Women Stand' has changed its name to 'Latter-day Saint Women Stand'. It begins...

And now today, I've received notifications from 1/2 dozen or more Facebook groups I belong to, that had the word "Mormon" or "LDS" in their name, that they've changed their names to having "Latter-day Saint" in the title, instead of "Mormon" or "LDS". Nowhere do the words "Jesus Christ" appear in any of the names though. Curious. I'm still a bit puzzled by all this.

Yeah, they do seem to be missing the mark in a few ways:
1) Jesus Christ is meant to the the focus in this announcement (right?), not latter day saints.

2) Latter-day is heaven’s reward fallacy. (Last cognitive distortion listed: http://www.onlinepsychologydegree.net/2 ... -problems/) and counter to what Jesus taught. https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Luke-17-20_17-21/

3) The term, “Saints” supports the stereotype of members of our church being proud, exclusive and self righteous.

Didn't they already do this?

the redirects could have been worse

www.latterdaysaintnewsroom.com

www.latterdaysaintnewsroom.org

jadd wrote: ↑August 17th, 2018, 11:43 am

EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 17th, 2018, 11:37 am

EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 16th, 2018, 9:16 pm I just got a notification that the group 'Mormon Women Stand' has changed its name to 'Latter-day Saint Women Stand'. It begins...

And now today, I've received notifications from 1/2 dozen or more Facebook groups I belong to, that had the word "Mormon" or "LDS" in their name, that they've changed their names to having "Latter-day Saint" in the title, instead of "Mormon" or "LDS". Nowhere do the words "Jesus Christ" appear in any of the names though. Curious. I'm still a bit puzzled by all this.

Personally, I believe the idea is to make s realize and emphasize that we should be "Latter-Day Saints" and are members of the Church of Jesus Christ." When finally acknowledging that we are Members of the Church of Jesus Christ (or should be in Spirit and not just body) - it may cause an attitude shift and tonal shift in how we at towards others as well. That isn't to say that it should have been there before, but often we get so focused on acronyms and nicknames that we actually forget who we are supposed to be. I'm mormon and I'm LDS sounds a lot less sacred/impactful that I'm a member of the CHurch of Jesus Christ, or I'm a latter-day saint (or at least trying to be on both accounts). So it was President Nelson's subtle way of calling us to repentance and a subtle call for us to begin to practice what we preach - in and outside of the Church (of Jesus Christ). Unsurprisingly I think most will miss the purpose behind the intent. However, it is necessary because we all learn line upon line, precept upon precept. Thus some will see and some will hear and others will not.

Total Mormon mental gymnastics (codependence?) here to suppose that WE members must now repent of calling ourselves "Mormons". We follow the leaders. The term "Mormonism" was strongly used since Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.

I think the church is feeling the need to rebrand itself, somewhat, after making a lot of (forced) admissions about its history, which exposed a lot of rot in "Mormonism", to the understanding of members, as well as leaders. Better to move towards the savior, for sure.

I'm really thinking that there is a watershed event on the horizon where all institutions are going to be abruptly unmasked and whatever there is to know is going to become suddenly known. I think all institutions who've practiced dominion over people will be found hiding bad things. We won't be any different. I suspect that people's relationships with Christ are going to become a lot more one-on-one, as fallout, which is how it was probably supposed to be. A lot of thick cobwebs are going to be blasted out of people's minds.

IMHO, they should have just taken the name 'Jesus Christ' out of everything since the corporate church in 2018 resembles little to what Joseph Smith restored through God and the Savior.

Another approach is to appreciate President Nelson’s direction. No longer a Mormon, a Latter-Day Saint. Be a Saint.

Joel wrote: ↑August 17th, 2018, 12:34 pm the redirects could have been worse

www.latterdaysaintnewsroom.com

www.latterdaysaintnewsroom.org

That is horribly awkward. . . how much is it going to cost to get those domains?

Chip wrote: ↑August 17th, 2018, 1:17 pm

jadd wrote: ↑August 17th, 2018, 11:43 am

EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 17th, 2018, 11:37 am

EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 16th, 2018, 9:16 pm I just got a notification that the group 'Mormon Women Stand' has changed its name to 'Latter-day Saint Women Stand'. It begins...

And now today, I've received notifications from 1/2 dozen or more Facebook groups I belong to, that had the word "Mormon" or "LDS" in their name, that they've changed their names to having "Latter-day Saint" in the title, instead of "Mormon" or "LDS". Nowhere do the words "Jesus Christ" appear in any of the names though. Curious. I'm still a bit puzzled by all this.

Personally, I believe the idea is to make s realize and emphasize that we should be "Latter-Day Saints" and are members of the Church of Jesus Christ." When finally acknowledging that we are Members of the Church of Jesus Christ (or should be in Spirit and not just body) - it may cause an attitude shift and tonal shift in how we at towards others as well. That isn't to say that it should have been there before, but often we get so focused on acronyms and nicknames that we actually forget who we are supposed to be. I'm mormon and I'm LDS sounds a lot less sacred/impactful that I'm a member of the CHurch of Jesus Christ, or I'm a latter-day saint (or at least trying to be on both accounts). So it was President Nelson's subtle way of calling us to repentance and a subtle call for us to begin to practice what we preach - in and outside of the Church (of Jesus Christ). Unsurprisingly I think most will miss the purpose behind the intent. However, it is necessary because we all learn line upon line, precept upon precept. Thus some will see and some will hear and others will not.

Total Mormon mental gymnastics (codependence?) here to suppose that WE members must now repent of calling ourselves "Mormons". We follow the leaders. The term "Mormonism" was strongly used since Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.

I think the church is feeling the need to rebrand itself, somewhat, after making a lot of (forced) admissions about its history, which exposed a lot of rot in "Mormonism", to the understanding of members, as well as leaders. Better to move towards the savior, for sure.

I'm really thinking that there is a watershed event on the horizon where all institutions are going to be abruptly unmasked and whatever there is to know is going to become suddenly known. I think all institutions who've practiced dominion over people will be found hiding bad things. We won't be any different. I suspect that people's relationships with Christ are going to become a lot more one-on-one, as fallout, which is how it was probably supposed to be. A lot of thick cobwebs are going to be blasted out of people's minds.

Chip,
I’ve already experienced and seen some of that, with the www. And I believe in times of judgment (each day of our lives but with more awareness after death), we will see more of what was hidden.

Are you referring to finances, history or what? Will you clarify and expand on how you think many’s eyes will be open about some of the less popular truths? Why do you think some keep their head in the sand, some focus on the negative, and some see the positive as well as negative aspects? What factors contribute to such different responses?

Chip wrote: ↑August 17th, 2018, 2:22 pm http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/16/mo ... -name.html

From that ^ link:
“The decision sparked buzz on social media in Utah, with people pointing out that the news release was being disseminated from a Twitter account with "Mormon" in the name — @MormonNewsroom — and being posted on a website also featuring the word: mormonnewsroom.org.

Rebranding a business or large institution is a difficult task that usually costs millions of dollars and often takes generations to take hold, said David Margulies, president of a Dallas public relations firm.

The term "Mormon" is engrained in American culture and has a lot of good equity that the faith would be losing by shifting away from using it, he said. He predicts confusion among people who won't realize the full name is the same religion as Mormons, and said there's a "very slim" chance the name change will catch on.

"It's a recognized, large religion. Mitt Romney is a Mormon," Margulies said. "It's well established so if you're going to change it you need a reason for changing it that makes sense. . . . Changing the name sounds like you're covering something up."

I have some first-hand knowledge of the "I'm a Mormon" campaign from a few years ago. There was the notion in the Missionary Dept and PA Dept that we might as well "own" the terms the public use for calling us. Rather than always trying to get people to use the words we want, we ought to just go with it and be open and up front and how we are called. Sort of a way to capture the brand that already was out there being used. That's was mormon.org was redone to have profiles, and that's when there were ads in Time Square, and vignettes of Mormons. And there was a push for members to get on board with the publicity push.

Now with Pres Nelson it seems he doesn't want to do that so much. Did the "I'm a Mormon" campaign serve its purpose and now has run its course? Or was it ill0advised from the start? Who knows, but this "return" to using the official name fo the church is our own doing, because we intentionally used "Mormon" in a huge publicity push for years. It's not the public's fault.

IMO, the church (it's a big ship) went down some strange paths over the past few years and I think we have been getting back on path. I welcome these changes.

How about Church of the Creator?

Maybe getting all the way accurate in our naming, we'll hear people say things like, "I'm a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and I'm a Sodomite".

mormonandgay.lds.org

...becomes...

memberofthechurchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaintsworkingthatwhichisunseemly.churchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaints.org

I think the church is feeling the need to rebrand itself, somewhat, after making a lot of (forced) admissions about its history, which exposed a lot of rot in "Mormonism", to the understanding of members, as well as leaders. Better to move towards the savior, for sure.

Rebranding a business or large institution is a difficult task that usually costs millions of dollars and often takes generations to take hold, said David Margulies, president of a Dallas public relations firm.

Those two quotes are pulled from previous posts. This is definitely a rebranding attempt, I think it will cost the church more than it gains.

The world, cerrtainly, is not going to switch from "Mormons" to "members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints" (from 2 sylabbles to 14).
That also goes for anyone typing it and for sure for anyone texting it. I suppose in the "latter" (lol!) case we MIGHT get CoJCoLDS - huge maybe on that.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Choir

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Business College


The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints issues new name guidelines, dropping terms Mormon, LDS in most uses.
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900 ... -uses.html

If this is redundant info, blame it on brain reduction via old age.

Thinker wrote: ↑August 17th, 2018, 3:45 pm Chip,
I’ve already experienced and seen some of that, with the www. And I believe in times of judgment (each day of our lives but with more awareness after death), we will see more of what was hidden.

Are you referring to finances, history or what? Will you clarify and expand on how you think many’s eyes will be open about some of the less popular truths? Why do you think some keep their head in the sand, some focus on the negative, and some see the positive as well as negative aspects? What factors contribute to such different responses?

The Pace memo comes to mind:

https://www.scribd.com/document/1059677 ... se-7-19-90

I have one friend whose family was LDS and her father was in a pedophile ring through which he prostituted her from the age of three. Her brother later committed suicide because he was feeling horrible about molesting his own children. It's an inter-generational phenomenon that exists within families. My friend said that her father and his cohorts always talked about their "authority". It seems there was some overlap with freemasonry, as well. Her mother was kind of a basket-case for having allowed all this to go on with her kids. This is the SAME kind of garbage that is coming out now on the internet about the Hollywood pedos. This guy's channel documents these things pretty well (language warning):

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9SL3B ... GeZnw0WTXw

I think it's going to come out that the church, in order to preserve its good name, had ignored a lot of evidence over the years that these things were going on within it. And it wasn't just the leadership. It was the pathology of infallibility that had been programmed into the members that contributed to this see/hear/speak-no-evil mentality. The church, itself, had become an idol that people worshiped, causing displacement from Jesus Christ.

Chip wrote: ↑August 17th, 2018, 1:17 pm

jadd wrote: ↑August 17th, 2018, 11:43 am

EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 17th, 2018, 11:37 am

EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 16th, 2018, 9:16 pm I just got a notification that the group 'Mormon Women Stand' has changed its name to 'Latter-day Saint Women Stand'. It begins...

And now today, I've received notifications from 1/2 dozen or more Facebook groups I belong to, that had the word "Mormon" or "LDS" in their name, that they've changed their names to having "Latter-day Saint" in the title, instead of "Mormon" or "LDS". Nowhere do the words "Jesus Christ" appear in any of the names though. Curious. I'm still a bit puzzled by all this.

Personally, I believe the idea is to make s realize and emphasize that we should be "Latter-Day Saints" and are members of the Church of Jesus Christ." When finally acknowledging that we are Members of the Church of Jesus Christ (or should be in Spirit and not just body) - it may cause an attitude shift and tonal shift in how we at towards others as well. That isn't to say that it should have been there before, but often we get so focused on acronyms and nicknames that we actually forget who we are supposed to be. I'm mormon and I'm LDS sounds a lot less sacred/impactful that I'm a member of the CHurch of Jesus Christ, or I'm a latter-day saint (or at least trying to be on both accounts). So it was President Nelson's subtle way of calling us to repentance and a subtle call for us to begin to practice what we preach - in and outside of the Church (of Jesus Christ). Unsurprisingly I think most will miss the purpose behind the intent. However, it is necessary because we all learn line upon line, precept upon precept. Thus some will see and some will hear and others will not.

Total Mormon mental gymnastics (codependence?) here to suppose that WE members must now repent of calling ourselves "Mormons". We follow the leaders. The term "Mormonism" was strongly used since Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.

I think the church is feeling the need to rebrand itself, somewhat, after making a lot of (forced) admissions about its history, which exposed a lot of rot in "Mormonism", to the understanding of members, as well as leaders. Better to move towards the savior, for sure.

I'm really thinking that there is a watershed event on the horizon where all institutions are going to be abruptly unmasked and whatever there is to know is going to become suddenly known. I think all institutions who've practiced dominion over people will be found hiding bad things. We won't be any different. I suspect that people's relationships with Christ are going to become a lot more one-on-one, as fallout, which is how it was probably supposed to be. A lot of thick cobwebs are going to be blasted out of people's minds.

You really misread what I wrote. No mental gymnastics is needed. You seem to be approaching this with the proverbial "chip" on your shoulder as if you have some sort of personal stake in this and are looking for the worst in other members (me) They aren't calling us to repentance for calling ourselves mormons. They are calling us to repentance for forgetting the Savior - for not remembering Him always. It's intent is to remind us of what we are supposed to do. Not saying we were always wrong for referring to ourselves as mormons.

jadd wrote: ↑August 17th, 2018, 6:01 pm

Chip wrote: ↑August 17th, 2018, 1:17 pm

jadd wrote: ↑August 17th, 2018, 11:43 am

EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 17th, 2018, 11:37 am

And now today, I've received notifications from 1/2 dozen or more Facebook groups I belong to, that had the word "Mormon" or "LDS" in their name, that they've changed their names to having "Latter-day Saint" in the title, instead of "Mormon" or "LDS". Nowhere do the words "Jesus Christ" appear in any of the names though. Curious. I'm still a bit puzzled by all this.

Personally, I believe the idea is to make s realize and emphasize that we should be "Latter-Day Saints" and are members of the Church of Jesus Christ." When finally acknowledging that we are Members of the Church of Jesus Christ (or should be in Spirit and not just body) - it may cause an attitude shift and tonal shift in how we at towards others as well. That isn't to say that it should have been there before, but often we get so focused on acronyms and nicknames that we actually forget who we are supposed to be. I'm mormon and I'm LDS sounds a lot less sacred/impactful that I'm a member of the CHurch of Jesus Christ, or I'm a latter-day saint (or at least trying to be on both accounts). So it was President Nelson's subtle way of calling us to repentance and a subtle call for us to begin to practice what we preach - in and outside of the Church (of Jesus Christ). Unsurprisingly I think most will miss the purpose behind the intent. However, it is necessary because we all learn line upon line, precept upon precept. Thus some will see and some will hear and others will not.

Total Mormon mental gymnastics (codependence?) here to suppose that WE members must now repent of calling ourselves "Mormons". We follow the leaders. The term "Mormonism" was strongly used since Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.

I think the church is feeling the need to rebrand itself, somewhat, after making a lot of (forced) admissions about its history, which exposed a lot of rot in "Mormonism", to the understanding of members, as well as leaders. Better to move towards the savior, for sure.

I'm really thinking that there is a watershed event on the horizon where all institutions are going to be abruptly unmasked and whatever there is to know is going to become suddenly known. I think all institutions who've practiced dominion over people will be found hiding bad things. We won't be any different. I suspect that people's relationships with Christ are going to become a lot more one-on-one, as fallout, which is how it was probably supposed to be. A lot of thick cobwebs are going to be blasted out of people's minds.

You really misread what I wrote. No mental gymnastics is needed. You seem to be approaching this with the proverbial "chip" on your shoulder as if you have some sort of personal stake in this and are looking for the worst in other members (me) They aren't calling us to repentance for calling ourselves mormons. They are calling us to repentance for forgetting the Savior - for not remembering Him always. It's intent is to remind us of what we are supposed to do. Not saying we were always wrong for referring to ourselves as mormons.

I'm sorry that I offended you, Jadd. I carry the same programming as you do and am prone to respond the same way to something like the name change. I didn't mean to single you out. I've been somewhat brainwashed, myself, and I see me in your writing. I don't want to think like a codependent, anymore.

I imagine that the real reason we don't think enough about the savior is because we've got our heads so stuffed full of church that, while plenty of lip service gets paid to the savior, we're kept overly busy fixating on all things church. And the word to reference it by just got turned into a nine-word phrase.

EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 16th, 2018, 9:16 pm I just got a notification that the group 'Mormon Women Stand' has changed its name to 'Latter-day Saint Women Stand'. It begins...

I thought it is also forbidden to use, "Latter-day Saint" as shorthand. Looks like the women's group is still out of compliance...

Hold on to your hats folks because Brigham Young University will be rebranded in the near future...

Hie'ing to Kolob wrote: ↑August 17th, 2018, 8:59 pm

EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 16th, 2018, 9:16 pm I just got a notification that the group 'Mormon Women Stand' has changed its name to 'Latter-day Saint Women Stand'. It begins...

I thought it is also forbidden to use, "Latter-day Saint" as shorthand. Looks like the women's group is still out of compliance...

Baby steps, Kolob, baby steps! To be honest, I can't keep track of what we're supposed to be calling ourselves from day to day, lol.

What do you think the rebranding of BYU would look like? It's already about as leftist as any other Babylonian uni.

Hie'ing to Kolob wrote: ↑August 17th, 2018, 8:59 pm

EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 16th, 2018, 9:16 pm I just got a notification that the group 'Mormon Women Stand' has changed its name to 'Latter-day Saint Women Stand'. It begins...

I thought it is also forbidden to use, "Latter-day Saint" as shorthand. Looks like the women's group is still out of compliance...

Latter-day Saint is still fine:

· When referring to Church members, the terms "members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" or "Latter-day Saints" are preferred. We ask that the term "Mormons" not be used.