Is this to be expected on a forum like this, where people can express freely their views and thoughts?
You will always get disagreements?
I don't like a post when it descends into arguing over a point of doctrine or on words someone has written
Is it ever worthwhile?
Have you ever seen two people argue and then one admits they are wrong and that the other person is right?
I never see this happen!
People just state "we'll agree to disagree", that's just a cop out
It should be resolved shouldn't it?
Aren't we told to avoid contention? Arguments can eventually lead to this, its negativity which isn't good for anyone
When I see one of my posts descend into this it makes me think I wish I'd never brought the topic up!
Is there such a thing as a healthy argument or debate?
What's the difference?
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BeNotDeceived
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A couple of things I’ve changed my mind about:
As a wee lad, my teacher taught me about sweeteners. Glucose was described as processed sugar, whereas fructose was alluded to as being better, because it came from fruit. For many years fructose was held in high favor. Then more information emerged, and as I grew, so too did my education and understanding of the world. Fructose does indeed come from fruit, but it to like glucose is processed, unless you eat the fruit directly. Any google Lustig, Gundry, and Mercola to discover the plethora of evidence that changed my mind. Actually fructose is much worse and causes sciroccos of the liver same as drinking alcohol.
Another is aspartame; Dr. Gundry taught me how it kills your good gut bacteria, and I now avoid it whenever possible. Briefly that’s two of many instances where further light and understanding has swayed my opinions.
As a wee lad, my teacher taught me about sweeteners. Glucose was described as processed sugar, whereas fructose was alluded to as being better, because it came from fruit. For many years fructose was held in high favor. Then more information emerged, and as I grew, so too did my education and understanding of the world. Fructose does indeed come from fruit, but it to like glucose is processed, unless you eat the fruit directly. Any google Lustig, Gundry, and Mercola to discover the plethora of evidence that changed my mind. Actually fructose is much worse and causes sciroccos of the liver same as drinking alcohol.
Another is aspartame; Dr. Gundry taught me how it kills your good gut bacteria, and I now avoid it whenever possible. Briefly that’s two of many instances where further light and understanding has swayed my opinions.
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Juliet
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I have learned that if I am angry then it usually means I am lying to myself. The better I lie to myself the angrier I get when someone is speaking the truth. It's amazing how we deceived our own selves. And it is usually because we are protecting ourselves from facing a negative emotion that results from harboring an untrue belief.
We have to learn from each other and when we get angry we can take a break but it is a sign there is someone one can learn from the experience. So instead of getting mad one can realize they are about to learn something new.
I have to repent many times in my relationships. It is humbling but also a breath of fresh air to see when I am wrong ebcause I end up learning something new and helpful.
It's ok to be wrong. The more you accept that the more you learn and the better chance of being right the next time.
I have a hard time when it isn't me that is wrong. Since I usually can find a mistake when something goes wrong or becomes contentious, the few times it truly wasn't my mistake are the hardest to accept, and then I have to learn to be patient and forgiving and love the person who was wrong.
We have to learn from each other and when we get angry we can take a break but it is a sign there is someone one can learn from the experience. So instead of getting mad one can realize they are about to learn something new.
I have to repent many times in my relationships. It is humbling but also a breath of fresh air to see when I am wrong ebcause I end up learning something new and helpful.
It's ok to be wrong. The more you accept that the more you learn and the better chance of being right the next time.
I have a hard time when it isn't me that is wrong. Since I usually can find a mistake when something goes wrong or becomes contentious, the few times it truly wasn't my mistake are the hardest to accept, and then I have to learn to be patient and forgiving and love the person who was wrong.
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Michelle
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Re: Posts Descending into Arguments
Hmm. This feels like a trap.
If I agree. I am saying things always devolve into arguments and no one ever learns from each other when they disagree.
If I disagree, I am taking steps to descend into an argument with you that neither one of us is likely to concede and learn from. . .
All right, I have seen people on this forum concede and learn something from each other, even if it is rare.
Now, I hope I am not just disagreeing with you, but leaving the door open for minds to be changed. . .
If I agree. I am saying things always devolve into arguments and no one ever learns from each other when they disagree.
If I disagree, I am taking steps to descend into an argument with you that neither one of us is likely to concede and learn from. . .
All right, I have seen people on this forum concede and learn something from each other, even if it is rare.
Now, I hope I am not just disagreeing with you, but leaving the door open for minds to be changed. . .
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gardener4life
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I feel I wish to express that I genuinely have no hate or bad feeling to anyone here. But I do like to make sure people don't trick other people or lead them astray so sometimes I speak up. But I do really hope that I don't make anyone feel hurt. I do apologize if I've made anyone feel bad. I also think that there are some good people here.
But I do wish to relate that we do sometimes have to stick up for truth, though I want to do so in a way that won't hurt others.
The last few weeks I've been thinking a lot about, these two scriptures;
3 Nephi 1:22 And it came to pass that from this time forth there began to be lyings sent forth among the people, by Satan, to harden their hearts, to the intent that they might not believe in those signs and wonders which they had seen; but notwithstanding these lyings and deceivings the more part of the people did believe, and were converted unto the Lord.
3 Nephi 2:1 And it came to pass that thus passed away the ninety and fifth year also, and the people began to forget those signs and wonders which they had heard, and began to be less and less astonished at a sign or a wonder from heaven, insomuch that they began to be hard in their hearts, and blind in their minds, and began to disbelieve all which they had heard and seen—
We can express that we care for others. And that we desire to show them mercy and for them to have peace in their lives. We pray for more than just ourselves to be taken care of and have shelter, food, and to be able to live. It also doesn't matter to me if another appears to be smarter or better looking or more suave than me.
But I do wish to relate that we do sometimes have to stick up for truth, though I want to do so in a way that won't hurt others.
The last few weeks I've been thinking a lot about, these two scriptures;
3 Nephi 1:22 And it came to pass that from this time forth there began to be lyings sent forth among the people, by Satan, to harden their hearts, to the intent that they might not believe in those signs and wonders which they had seen; but notwithstanding these lyings and deceivings the more part of the people did believe, and were converted unto the Lord.
3 Nephi 2:1 And it came to pass that thus passed away the ninety and fifth year also, and the people began to forget those signs and wonders which they had heard, and began to be less and less astonished at a sign or a wonder from heaven, insomuch that they began to be hard in their hearts, and blind in their minds, and began to disbelieve all which they had heard and seen—
We can express that we care for others. And that we desire to show them mercy and for them to have peace in their lives. We pray for more than just ourselves to be taken care of and have shelter, food, and to be able to live. It also doesn't matter to me if another appears to be smarter or better looking or more suave than me.
