At the Final Judgement!

[Dusty52]

I for one am not looking forward to having all my dirty linen washed in front of everyone
It's difficult to make sure you have repented of every misdeed or wrong committed
I wish there was a second baptism just to make sure!
And then when that day comes it's there perhaps on a screen everything you've done for everyone to watch! (If this is true? that implies that our lives are being recorded in some way?)
I think that video will decide your fate, to some degree I think we will judge ourselves?
and then on, for me hopefully a life of servitude, that's all I can expect

[Jamescm]

I don't worry too much about it. If there is one great showing of everyone's unrepentant deeds, two facts strike me-

First, the righteous are who I want company with, and they're probably not interested in sitting and watching. Unless you did something awesome that can be laughed at, like those shows that catch criminals doing dumb things. I promise I won't judge anyone in those situations if they share the amusement of watching!

Secondly, everyone else will also be on display.

You're right to want a second baptism, however. Cue the sacrament; taken honestly and worthily, it is a renewing of the baptismal covenant every week. Taken worthily and regularly, through the Atonement of Christ, you remain spotless from the world.

[EmmaLee]

I don't worry too much about it. If there is one great showing of everyone's unrepentant deeds, two facts strike me-

First, the righteous are who I want company with, and they're probably not interested in sitting and watching. Unless you did something awesome that can be laughed at, like those shows that catch criminals doing dumb things. I promise I won't judge anyone in those situations if they share the amusement of watching!

Secondly, everyone else will also be on display.

I like this ^ and agree! And in the end, who cares what any other mortals think? ALL of our thoughts and actions are constantly on display to God and his Son - they know everything, every single intent of our hearts, whether for good or evil. Wanting to please them, and not disappoint them, is a 24/7/365 (often failed) job for me, and I imagine for most. So if we're focused on that - pleasing God/doing his will - there is no time or energy left to care what other sinful, imperfect mortals think. Just my .02.

[Trucker]

In DC 58:42 the Lord says

Behold, he who has repented of his sins, the same is forgiven, and I, the Lord, remember them no more.

Seems to me there wouldn't be a broadcast of your sins that you've repented of.

[Dusty52]

In DC 58:42 the Lord says

Behold, he who has repented of his sins, the same is forgiven, and I, the Lord, remember them no more.

Seems to me there wouldn't be a broadcast of your sins that you've repented of.

I agree

[Original_Intent]

The only things that will be broadcast are the things that you are holding onto and trying to keep hidden.

The FINAL judgement is going to be rewards only - not that the rewards will be the same for everyone, of course not. But by the time you get to the final judgement you will have been cleansed of all sin, either thru the atonement or thru suffering even as Christ suffered. At he final judgement it will be simply a matter of what good did you accomplish? There will be prior judgements that punishment, will be associated with.

[Contemplator]

This is an interesting question that prompted me to go searching in the scriptures. I was surprised to find that “final judgment” is not found anywhere in scripture. That made me curious about what has prompted the widespread discussion of a “final judgment” when those words do not show up in scripture.

It turns out that there are several references to judgment at the “last day.” The “last day” is mentioned all through the scriptures. What I am wondering, though, is just what the “last day” means. There are judgments that occur before the “last day” and there are judgments that happen at the “last day.”

Is it worth separating this question into two questions? 1. What is the real nature of judgment? And 2. What is the “last day?”

[Dusty52]

This is an interesting question that prompted me to go searching in the scriptures. I was surprised to find that “final judgment” is not found anywhere in scripture. That made me curious about what has prompted the widespread discussion of a “final judgment” when those words do not show up in scripture.

It turns out that there are several references to judgment at the “last day.” The “last day” is mentioned all through the scriptures. What I am wondering, though, is just what the “last day” means. There are judgments that occur before the “last day” and there are judgments that happen at the “last day.”

Is it worth separating this question into two questions? 1. What is the real nature of judgment? And 2. What is the “last day?”

Interesting!

[gardener4life]

There is a second baptism! And a third! And a fourth! And so on and so on!

That's what's happening when you take the Sacrament! Isn't that exciting! (This is also why people who aren't baptized yet don't need to take the Sacrament!). Although I would separate treatment for habits to make them better everyday and avoiding previous traps different from treatment to receive forgiveness for each one in some cases. We should still try to keep changing for the better, and repenting, even when we think we're good!

[Alaris]

This is an interesting question that prompted me to go searching in the scriptures. I was surprised to find that “final judgment” is not found anywhere in scripture. That made me curious about what has prompted the widespread discussion of a “final judgment” when those words do not show up in scripture.

It turns out that there are several references to judgment at the “last day.” The “last day” is mentioned all through the scriptures. What I am wondering, though, is just what the “last day” means. There are judgments that occur before the “last day” and there are judgments that happen at the “last day.”

Is it worth separating this question into two questions? 1. What is the real nature of judgment? And 2. What is the “last day?”

Two thanks for this. The last day is Saturday. The first day is Sunday. On the morning of the first day we make our covenants with the Son.

[gkearney]

This is an interesting question that prompted me to go searching in the scriptures. I was surprised to find that “final judgment” is not found anywhere in scripture. That made me curious about what has prompted the widespread discussion of a “final judgment” when those words do not show up in scripture.

It turns out that there are several references to judgment at the “last day.” The “last day” is mentioned all through the scriptures. What I am wondering, though, is just what the “last day” means. There are judgments that occur before the “last day” and there are judgments that happen at the “last day.”

Is it worth separating this question into two questions? 1. What is the real nature of judgment? And 2. What is the “last day?”

Two thanks for this. The last day is Saturday. The first day is Sunday. On the morning of the first day we make our covenants with the Son.

The idea of Saturday being day 7 and Sunday day 1 of the week is not universal in Scandinavia and the Baltic nations Monday is day 1 and Sunday day seven.

[Alaris]

This is an interesting question that prompted me to go searching in the scriptures. I was surprised to find that “final judgment” is not found anywhere in scripture. That made me curious about what has prompted the widespread discussion of a “final judgment” when those words do not show up in scripture.

It turns out that there are several references to judgment at the “last day.” The “last day” is mentioned all through the scriptures. What I am wondering, though, is just what the “last day” means. There are judgments that occur before the “last day” and there are judgments that happen at the “last day.”

Is it worth separating this question into two questions? 1. What is the real nature of judgment? And 2. What is the “last day?”

Two thanks for this. The last day is Saturday. The first day is Sunday. On the morning of the first day we make our covenants with the Son.

The idea of Saturday being day 7 and Sunday day 1 of the week is not universal in Scandinavia and the Baltic nations Monday is day 1 and Sunday day seven.

OK. In the scriptures Saturday is the seventh day and Sunday is the first.

[gkearney]

This is an interesting question that prompted me to go searching in the scriptures. I was surprised to find that “final judgment” is not found anywhere in scripture. That made me curious about what has prompted the widespread discussion of a “final judgment” when those words do not show up in scripture.

It turns out that there are several references to judgment at the “last day.” The “last day” is mentioned all through the scriptures. What I am wondering, though, is just what the “last day” means. There are judgments that occur before the “last day” and there are judgments that happen at the “last day.”

Is it worth separating this question into two questions? 1. What is the real nature of judgment? And 2. What is the “last day?”

Two thanks for this. The last day is Saturday. The first day is Sunday. On the morning of the first day we make our covenants with the Son.

The idea of Saturday being day 7 and Sunday day 1 of the week is not universal in Scandinavia and the Baltic nations Monday is day 1 and Sunday day seven.

OK. In the scriptures Saturday is the seventh day and Sunday is the first.

Where do you find that in scripture. In fact the church meets on what ever day the local culture hold to be the day for religious observances.

[Alaris]

Two thanks for this. The last day is Saturday. The first day is Sunday. On the morning of the first day we make our covenants with the Son.

The idea of Saturday being day 7 and Sunday day 1 of the week is not universal in Scandinavia and the Baltic nations Monday is day 1 and Sunday day seven.

OK. In the scriptures Saturday is the seventh day and Sunday is the first.

Where do you find that in scripture. In fact the church meets on what ever day the local culture hold to be the day for religious observances.

https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/ ... f-The-Week

Do you think the restoration whoopsied the first day of the week? I don't. So not sure what rabbit hole you're trying to pull me into but I have zero interest in that.

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bd/lords-day?lang=eng

[nightlight]

This is an interesting question that prompted me to go searching in the scriptures. I was surprised to find that “final judgment” is not found anywhere in scripture. That made me curious about what has prompted the widespread discussion of a “final judgment” when those words do not show up in scripture.

It turns out that there are several references to judgment at the “last day.” The “last day” is mentioned all through the scriptures. What I am wondering, though, is just what the “last day” means. There are judgments that occur before the “last day” and there are judgments that happen at the “last day.”

Is it worth separating this question into two questions? 1. What is the real nature of judgment? And 2. What is the “last day?”

It's called the "Bar of god"

[nightlight]

This is an interesting question that prompted me to go searching in the scriptures. I was surprised to find that “final judgment” is not found anywhere in scripture. That made me curious about what has prompted the widespread discussion of a “final judgment” when those words do not show up in scripture.

It turns out that there are several references to judgment at the “last day.” The “last day” is mentioned all through the scriptures. What I am wondering, though, is just what the “last day” means. There are judgments that occur before the “last day” and there are judgments that happen at the “last day.”

Is it worth separating this question into two questions? 1. What is the real nature of judgment? And 2. What is the “last day?”

Two thanks for this. The last day is Saturday. The first day is Sunday. On the morning of the first day we make our covenants with the Son.

The idea of Saturday being day 7 and Sunday day 1 of the week is not universal in Scandinavia and the Baltic nations Monday is day 1 and Sunday day seven.

OK. In the scriptures Saturday is the seventh day and Sunday is the first.

It doesn't matter what you call the Sabbath day... as long as you have six secular work days followed by the Sabbath day

[Chip]

This is an interesting question that prompted me to go searching in the scriptures. I was surprised to find that “final judgment” is not found anywhere in scripture. That made me curious about what has prompted the widespread discussion of a “final judgment” when those words do not show up in scripture.

It turns out that there are several references to judgment at the “last day.” The “last day” is mentioned all through the scriptures. What I am wondering, though, is just what the “last day” means. There are judgments that occur before the “last day” and there are judgments that happen at the “last day.”

Is it worth separating this question into two questions? 1. What is the real nature of judgment? And 2. What is the “last day?”

Two thanks for this. The last day is Saturday. The first day is Sunday. On the morning of the first day we make our covenants with the Son.

The idea of Saturday being day 7 and Sunday day 1 of the week is not universal in Scandinavia and the Baltic nations Monday is day 1 and Sunday day seven.

What a conundrum for the Seventh Day Adventists! their church gets to be "true" without being different in Scandinavia. It must be anticlimactic to pitch the faith in those countries.

[gkearney]

This is an interesting question that prompted me to go searching in the scriptures. I was surprised to find that “final judgment” is not found anywhere in scripture. That made me curious about what has prompted the widespread discussion of a “final judgment” when those words do not show up in scripture.

It turns out that there are several references to judgment at the “last day.” The “last day” is mentioned all through the scriptures. What I am wondering, though, is just what the “last day” means. There are judgments that occur before the “last day” and there are judgments that happen at the “last day.”

Is it worth separating this question into two questions? 1. What is the real nature of judgment? And 2. What is the “last day?”

Two thanks for this. The last day is Saturday. The first day is Sunday. On the morning of the first day we make our covenants with the Son.

The idea of Saturday being day 7 and Sunday day 1 of the week is not universal in Scandinavia and the Baltic nations Monday is day 1 and Sunday day seven.

What a conundrum for the Seventh Day Adventists! their church gets to be "true" without being different in Scandinavia. It must be anticlimactic to pitch the faith in those countries.

I have wondered the same thing myself but I have never meet any Adventists in Scandinavia to ask that question. Of course some of the posts here would suggest that we would have the same issue by worshiping on day 7 rather than day 1. All of this is rather silly of course calendars are man made inventions and down through the centuries there has been all manner of tinkering with them. Lookup Pope Gregory and the slow adoption of the Gregorian calendar around the world.

[The Airbender]

I for one am not looking forward to having all my dirty linen washed in front of everyone
It's difficult to make sure you have repented of every misdeed or wrong committed
I wish there was a second baptism just to make sure!
And then when that day comes it's there perhaps on a screen everything you've done for everyone to watch! (If this is true? that implies that our lives are being recorded in some way?)
I think that video will decide your fate, to some degree I think we will judge ourselves?
and then on, for me hopefully a life of servitude, that's all I can expect

I believe that at the final judgement we will have to stand and face everyone we every wronged whether we knew it or not and ask them forgiveness (if we didn't take care of it in mortality). Then, I think we will have to sit while everyone who ever wronged us stands before us and asks for our forgiveness (again, if they didn't in mortality).

I believe the Savior will say to us, if we have trouble forgiving, "I will forgive you if you will forgive them."

I believe we will be privy to all the thoughts and intents of their hearts and they will all be aware of ours. We will see as we are seen and know as we are known. I don't believe we will be able to hold a grudge against anyone once we understand their minds and hearts. I think pride is what will stop us from being humble enough to face them.

[Kingdom of ZION]

I for one am not looking forward to having all my dirty linen washed in front of everyone
It's difficult to make sure you have repented of every misdeed or wrong committed
I wish there was a second baptism just to make sure!
And then when that day comes it's there perhaps on a screen everything you've done for everyone to watch! (If this is true? that implies that our lives are being recorded in some way?)
I think that video will decide your fate, to some degree I think we will judge ourselves?
and then on, for me hopefully a life of servitude, that's all I can expect

EDITED AND ENLARGED

When the Last Day comes, you will every be Caught Up into the clouds and this is a prejudgment. You are or will be translated, the two Witnesses will have already been translated but when they are allowed to be killed, they will be brought back to life. This happens simultaneously with the final trump and the Caught Up (rapture) into the clouds. That is you judgment!

IF YOU are NOT CAUGHT UP! Then when the earth is burned and move out of its place (orbit), and those who remain, their deaths will be painful and not sweet, and they will go to Spirit Prison for a thousand years. Self refection without a veil or life distractions will allow them to embrace their deeds in the flesh, repent if they choose to try and except the Messiah as their Savior, if they have not done so.

If you are a Fourth Estate Being, you had your Calling and Election from the foundations of the earth, your names were written in the Lamb's Book of Life before the world was, and as long as they (MEN only) did not commit the unpardonable sin, the women and the men they will rise on that last day if they are mortal or immortal (translated) or have not been dead for 4 day in the grave. If one is in the Spirit World, having been there 4 or more days, they will have to be born again into that kingdom!

If you are a Second Estate Being, it is a prejudgment that you are worthy of a higher kingdom then hell (here!) IF you are Caught Up, as you are prejudged worthy of being translated and to enter into the Terrestrial realm (Third Estate).

Only those who remain in the grave unto the Second Resurrection, shall have to go before the White Throne of G_d to receive judgment. Also all those who sire those second resurrection spirits, during that little season when the adversary is loosed at the end of that realm (the Millennium). For those who broke the Law of that realm, 'The Law of Chastity', shall remain Terrestrial forever!

At the end of this Realm is the place where Third Estate Beings, Terrestrial Beings who kept the Law of Chastity will get to decide whether they wish to move forward by passing on into the Fourth Estate, that they might be added upon. If they choose to remain Terrestrial, it is a place where one may live as a families in the Third Heaven, and though they may not have offspring, they will have eternal life in that kingdom.

Those who continue down the path of Eternal Progression are continuing to risking much and for some, everything!

Shalom Shalom

[Michelle]

First judgement: spirit prison or sharing the gospel in the Spirit World. Second judgement: when we are resurrected (righteous first, wicked last) Final Judgment: Which Kingdom of Glory or Outer Darkness.

[XEmilyX]

there won't be sins you've repented of that will be on display.

I think of it this way. Pretend you're a pro tennis player and you train hard everyday for your big match in Wimbledon. When you play in wimbledon, you're against the adversary. Lets say you didn't win the match, you lost, badly. The adversary won. (you sinned) and you now have it on your professional record.
The cool thing is that God forgets that match (if you repent) , like he has one of those erase memory devices that the spies have in the movies and he erases his memory of it.
It's also not your last wimbledon, there's always more matches, theres always more to hit against the adversary. So it's not the end. You're still a professional that can play more matches.

[Kingdom of ZION]

There is a second baptism! And a third! And a fourth! And so on and so on!

That's what's happening when you take the Sacrament! Isn't that exciting! (This is also why people who aren't baptized yet don't need to take the Sacrament!). Although I would separate treatment for habits to make them better everyday and avoiding previous traps different from treatment to receive forgiveness for each one in some cases. We should still try to keep changing for the better, and repenting, even when we think we're good!

In this life there is Baptism and multiple Rebaptisms allowed in the kingdom! Brigham Young was Baptized/Rebaptized 19 times. Ogden Kraut wrote a book called Rebaptism that explains this doctrine. I have a text file of it if you cannot find it on the web. I also wrote a paper on Baptism, called Tawbal in Hebrew.

The TRUE ORDER of TAWBAL by WATER Known as BAPTISM in the Scriptures and is in reality “ONE of the INITIATORY ORDINANCES of SALVATION”

https://www.academia.edu/4100203/The_TR ... SALVATION_

[Alaris]

There is a second baptism! And a third! And a fourth! And so on and so on!

That's what's happening when you take the Sacrament! Isn't that exciting! (This is also why people who aren't baptized yet don't need to take the Sacrament!). Although I would separate treatment for habits to make them better everyday and avoiding previous traps different from treatment to receive forgiveness for each one in some cases. We should still try to keep changing for the better, and repenting, even when we think we're good!

It's almost like it reflects a heavenly symbol of the covenants we make on the first day.... As opposed to the judgements of the last day.

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

[Red]

I for one am not looking forward to having all my dirty linen washed in front of everyone
It's difficult to make sure you have repented of every misdeed or wrong committed
I wish there was a second baptism just to make sure!
And then when that day comes it's there perhaps on a screen everything you've done for everyone to watch! (If this is true? that implies that our lives are being recorded in some way?)
I think that video will decide your fate, to some degree I think we will judge ourselves?
and then on, for me hopefully a life of servitude, that's all I can expect

I believe that at the final judgement we will have to stand and face everyone we every wronged whether we knew it or not and ask them forgiveness (if we didn't take care of it in mortality). Then, I think we will have to sit while everyone who ever wronged us stands before us and asks for our forgiveness (again, if they didn't in mortality).

I believe the Savior will say to us, if we have trouble forgiving, "I will forgive you if you will forgive them."

I believe we will be privy to all the thoughts and intents of their hearts and they will all be aware of ours. We will see as we are seen and know as we are known. I don't believe we will be able to hold a grudge against anyone once we understand their minds and hearts. I think pride is what will stop us from being humble enough to face them.

I appreciate your comment because of the feelings it stirred inside me. I don’t want to sit for everyone who’s wronged me. I figure that by then they already know and why make them recount it in humiliation? At that point in my (after)life, I’ve already forgiven them, even if they did something I’m unaware of. I don’t wish to cause more pain. Their internal strife is hell enough and has already been met with God’s mercy. At any rate, I hope I’m never made to do that. A wordless hug seems better to me.