Longest blood moon of the century is about to happen

[nightlight]

Ah, to disagree without being disagreeable.... therein lies the true test of edifying discussion.

Personally, I'd like to see some progress made towards the second coming. I know that's a dangerous thing to say, but in an odd sense it also confirms one's faith that we are in the last days.

The silence is often deafening...but it won't be forever.

[Alaris]

Ah, to disagree without being disagreeable.... therein lies the true test of edifying discussion.

Personally, I'd like to see some progress made towards the second coming. I know that's a dangerous thing to say, but in an odd sense it also confirms one's faith that we are in the last days.

Yeah and it probably helps one's motivation to live righteously.

I daresay the ability to live righteously affects one's attitude regarding progress towards the second coming and the signs of such.

[abijah]

Ah, to disagree without being disagreeable.... therein lies the true test of edifying discussion.

Personally, I'd like to see some progress made towards the second coming. I know that's a dangerous thing to say, but in an odd sense it also confirms one's faith that we are in the last days.

Yeah and it probably helps one's motivation to live righteously.

I daresay the ability to live righteously affects one's attitude regarding progress towards the second coming and the signs of such.

Agreed. "Men's hearts shall fail them", but I think the righteous in the endtime will be more than mere men.

Zechariah 12

On that day the LORD will protect the inhabitants of Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them on that day shall be like David, and the house of David shall be like God, like the angel of the LORD, going before them.

[inho]

I really wish people would stop labeling every single lunar eclipse a "blood moon."

On average, there are 154 umbral lunar eclipses per century and another 84 penumbral eclipses. That means there have been 3,080 full lunar eclipses and another 1,680 eclipses where the moon didn't fully enter the umbra for a total of 4,760 lunar eclipses in the last 2,000 years. Do any of you think every single one of these eclipses was a sign that the Second Coming is just a few months away?

If any of you have something from scripture or modern revelation through a recognized and sustained Apostle to suggest that when John wrote of the moon turning to blood he meant another run of the mill lunar eclipse, I would appreciate the reference.

Id really appreciate it if you'd Google the term that is upheld universally due to the red appearance of a total lunar eclipse

I googled it. Wikipedia doesn't even mention John the Revelator:

Blood Moon
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Blood Moon or Bloodmoon may refer to:

Folklore and tradition

• Hunter's moon, the first full moon after the Harvest Moon
• Lunar eclipse, often called a Blood moon due to its red colour
• Xquic, a mythological Mayan heroine sometimes glossed as "Blood Moon" or "Blood Girl/Maiden" in English
• Blood moon prophecy, a prophecy surrounding the tetrad of eclipses beginning April 2014

[Elizabeth]

Well, I am looking now as advised. Seems no different than usual.

[Elizabeth]

Still watching

Well, I am looking now as advised. Seems no different than usual.

[EmmaLee]

Richard Judd's .02 on the subject -

What "Moon Being Turned to Blood" and "Stars Falling from Heaven" Really Mean for Us in the Last Days

by Richard L. Judd, excerpted from "Prophetic Events of the Last Days" | Jul. 26, 2018

"Famines, pestilences, earthquakes, tribulations, hailstorms, scourges, sickness, commotion, killing, iniquity, blood, fire, vapors of smoke, thundering, lightning, darkness, tempests, flooding, and other disasters are among some of the calamities prophesied about in the scriptures.

To some people, a few of the more intriguing prophecies about the last days have to do with the sun being darkened, the moon being turned into blood, the stars falling from heaven, and the powers of the heavens being shaken—all before the Second Coming of the Lord (see D&C 45:42). These events are also mentioned several other places in the scriptures (as examples, see D&C 29:14; 88:87; 133:49; Joel 2:10; Revelation 6:12; Matthew 24:29; Joseph Smith—Matthew 24:33).

I spent one summer of my high school years fighting forest fires near Mount Trumbull, Arizona, which was at that time part of the Kaibab National Forest. My fellow worker and I spent most of our time using chainsaws to trim trees and to clear the roads of fallen timber. Occasionally forest fires broke out, and we were immediately called on to put out the fires. As we worked to extinguish every last spark, the moon at night sometimes appeared to be red in color; at other times, we couldn’t even see it. On occasion, during the day the sun was almost blacked out.

I assumed the moon and sun appeared this way because of all of the smoke in the air. The scriptural references to the sun being darkened and the moon being turned into blood (or not giving its light) took on a different meaning for me. Could it be that these prophecies are showing how these heavenly bodies will appear to men on earth rather than describing actual physical changes in their matter?

I appreciate the insights Elder Bruce R. McConkie gave concerning the sun, moon, and stars and the heavens being shaken:

There may be more than one occasion when the light of the sun and the moon shall be withheld from men, and when it will seem as though the very stars in the firmament are being hurled from their places. What is here recited could mean that the light of the sun is blotted out by smoke and weather conditions, which would also make the moon appear ‘as blood.’ This falling of the stars ‘unto the earth’ could be meteoric showers, as distinguished from the stars, on another occasion, appearing to fall because the earth itself reels to and fro (The Millennial Messiah, 380).

Elder McConkie also gave this understanding:

Knowing that the earth is to reel to and fro, knowing that the mighty deep shall return to its place in the North, knowing the continents and islands shall join together again, what about the stars and their fall from heaven? Our answer is that it will seem to men on earth as though the stars—those great suns in the sidereal heavens around which other planets revolve—are falling because the earth reels. The great fixed stars will continue in their assigned orbits and spheres. The sun also will continue to give light, but it will appear to men to be darkened; and the moon will remain as she has since the creation, but it will seem to mortal eyes as though she is bathed in blood (The Millennial Messiah, 412).

Some people seem to believe that the calamities prophesied about in the scriptures will not really happen. President Ezra Taft Benson gave this warning:

“Too often we bask in our comfortable complacency and rationalize that the ravages of war, economic disaster, famine, and earthquake cannot happen here. Those who believe this are either not acquainted with the revelations of the Lord, or they do not believe them. Those who smugly think these calamities will not happen, that they somehow will be set aside because of the righteousness of the Saints are deceived and will rue the day they harbored such a delusion” (“Prepare for the Days of Tribulation,” Ensign, Nov. 1980, 32).

Elder McConkie summarized various last-day calamities that will happen before the Second Coming in this way:

Before the Lord comes, the whole earth will be in turmoil. Wars and rumors of wars will spread death and destruction and disease that will dwarf anything ever known among men. Plagues and pestilence and pain will punish the people to a degree never before known. Men will be cursed physically and spiritually; the flesh of many will fall from their bones and eyes from their sockets. Earthquakes will destroy many cities and bring death to their municipals; fire and hail will destroy the crops of the earth; rivers and seas and deserts and mountains will be contaminated; the waters of the world will be polluted; famines and poisons and dead bodies will be commonplace. No tongue can tell the desolations and sorrows that are yet to be, all of which will be climaxed by the burning of the vineyard, at which time every corruptible thing will be consumed (A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, 633).

The Lord is hastening His work throughout the world. The increase in the number of missionaries could serve as an example of this. In the early days of the Church in this dispensation, the Lord sent His servants out to warn the people and “prepare the saints for the hour of judgment which is to come” (see D&C 88:81–84). The Lord told the early missionaries that after they had shared their testimony, “wrath and indignation” would come upon the people. He also said, “For after your testimony cometh the testimony of earthquakes . . . and also cometh the testimony of the voice of thunderings, and the voice of lightnings, and the voice of tempests, and the voice of the waves of the sea heaving themselves beyond their bounds. And all things shall be in commotion” (D&C 88:88–91). We see many of these prophetic events happening today.

The Lord’s warning voice concerning “the waves of the sea” could be a reference to the flooding that takes place during storms—and what about the tsunamis that have taken place? Until recent times, we didn’t hear the word tsunami very much, but now many people have been affected by the terrible consequences of these events.

President Henry B. Eyring shared insights about the last days and some very faith-promoting stories about some of these disasters as he spoke to students in a devotional at BYU—Idaho. He said that “the giant earthquake, and the tsunamis it sent crashing into the coasts around the Indian Ocean, is just the beginning and a part of what is to come, terrible as it was.” He then quoted some of the same scriptures to which we have been referring (see D&C 88:88–91) and said:

Fear shall come upon all people. But you and I know the Lord has prepared places of safety to which He is eager to guide us. I think of that often. A few days ago, I heard two accounts of God leading His children to safety on the coast of Thailand when that monstrous tsunami wave struck.

One was of people who accepted His apparently routine invitation to a Church meeting on a Sunday. . . . The meeting was on higher ground, away from the coast. The people who gathered with the Saints were spared from physical death. . . .

The other account I heard was related to me by a Latter-day Saint who was led to safety by the Holy Ghost. He checked into a hotel on the oceanfront in Thailand the day before the wave struck. He walked out on the beach. He felt uneasy. He went back to his hotel determined to check out. . . . He moved to another hotel, away from the beach. It was on higher ground. Because of that, he not only survived but stayed to serve the survivors. The Lord is anxious to lead us to the safety of higher ground, away from the path of physical and spiritual danger (“Raise the Bar,” Brigham Young University—Idaho Devotional, Jan. 25, 2005).

If we “have taken the Holy Spirit for [our] guide” (D&C 45:57), we will be prepared and need not fear (see D&C 38:30). We can know the truth of all things that will be in our best interests (see Moroni 10:5)."

http://www.ldsliving.com/What-Moon-Bein ... dium=email

[brianj]

Richard Judd's .02 on the subject -
What "Moon Being Turned to Blood" and "Stars Falling from Heaven" Really Mean for Us in the Last Days
by Richard L. Judd, excerpted from "Prophetic Events of the Last Days" | Jul. 26, 2018

Thank you for sharing, EmmaLee. As I have said many times, it really aggravates me that people call every single lunar eclipse a blood moon, and that each one of these run of the mill lunar eclipses is somehow a sign that end times tribulations are weeks away.

[brianj]

Unfortunately I don't believe Elder McConkie's words will dissuade anybody from thinking that every single lunar eclipse fulfills John's prophecy.

[Alaris]

Richard Judd's .02 on the subject -
What "Moon Being Turned to Blood" and "Stars Falling from Heaven" Really Mean for Us in the Last Days
by Richard L. Judd, excerpted from "Prophetic Events of the Last Days" | Jul. 26, 2018

Thank you for sharing, EmmaLee. As I have said many times, it really aggravates me that people call every single lunar eclipse a blood moon, and that each one of these run of the mill lunar eclipses is somehow a sign that end times tribulations are weeks away.

If only straw men could apologize to you for aggravating you.

[abijah]

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of course my phone camera cant do it justice. also it’s significantly bigger than it seems from the photo

haunting beauty

[nightlight]

C45B70FD-43A1-4F46-A666-7C4719E90209.jpeg

of course my phone camera cant do it justice. also it’s significantly bigger than it seems from the photo

haunting beauty

My wife and I were just out looking at that... Stunning!!!

[Red]

Also this is Zeppelin's jubilee year.

Coincidence? I think no

Led? I adore LZ. My absolute fave. If the actually have a reunion of some sort like they’re saying, I will try to go. I was SO born in the wrong generation.

[abijah]

Also this is Zeppelin's jubilee year.

Coincidence? I think no

Led? I adore LZ. My absolute fave. If the actually have a reunion of some sort like they’re saying, I will try to go. I was SO born in the wrong generation.

yeah they are likely my favourite band. i love classic rock. i think john’s half-hour of silence refers to a lack of great music!

i guess its been in my mind more so lately. stairway to heaven has always been my favourite song, but its only been the last few weeks that i’ve received revelation which shows me why. zeppelin’s ladder indeed

[Red]

Also this is Zeppelin's jubilee year.

Coincidence? I think no

Led? I adore LZ. My absolute fave. If the actually have a reunion of some sort like they’re saying, I will try to go. I was SO born in the wrong generation.

yeah they are likely my favourite band. i love classic rock. i think john’s half-hour of silence refers to a lack of great music!

i guess its been in my mind more so lately. stairway to heaven has always been my favourite song, but its only been the last few weeks that i’ve received revelation which shows me why. zeppelin’s ladder indeed

Oooh! Me too! If you feel like sharing that in a PM, I’d love to read it, I’d youre comfortable, of course.

[Alaris]

Also this is Zeppelin's jubilee year.

Coincidence? I think no

Led? I adore LZ. My absolute fave. If the actually have a reunion of some sort like they’re saying, I will try to go. I was SO born in the wrong generation.

yeah they are likely my favourite band. i love classic rock. i think john’s half-hour of silence refers to a lack of great music!

i guess its been in my mind more so lately. stairway to heaven has always been my favourite song, but its only been the last few weeks that i’ve received revelation which shows me why. zeppelin’s ladder indeed

Oooh! Me too! If you feel like sharing that in a PM, I’d love to read it, I’d youre comfortable, of course.

Immigrant song was fun in Thor 3. I've been into GNR myself lately. What's this thread about again?


Oh yeah - the moon looks beautiful in AZ - though no red tinge like in some places that may be sinking into the Ocean ... just sayin'

[Red]

Led? I adore LZ. My absolute fave. If the actually have a reunion of some sort like they’re saying, I will try to go. I was SO born in the wrong generation.

yeah they are likely my favourite band. i love classic rock. i think john’s half-hour of silence refers to a lack of great music!

i guess its been in my mind more so lately. stairway to heaven has always been my favourite song, but its only been the last few weeks that i’ve received revelation which shows me why. zeppelin’s ladder indeed

Oooh! Me too! If you feel like sharing that in a PM, I’d love to read it, I’d youre comfortable, of course.

Immigrant song was fun in Thor 3. I've been into GNR myself lately. What's this thread about again?


Oh yeah - the moon looks beautiful in AZ - though no red tinge like in some places that may be sinking into the Ocean ... just sayin'

Lol yeah I loved hearing immigrant song in Thor. Also love GNR.

I love songs with little quips of eternal truth in them. I think Abijah and I were connecting on our mutual observance that stairway to heaven is special on a spiritual plane. Or maybe I’m wrong! Ha! We ended up there bc I believe something said in this thread got him thinking about something revealed to him about the song. Zeppelins jubilee year... but what his exact thoughts are, I am unsure.

Just a little aside: I have a great love for LZ bc I see a lot of spiritual connection in their music. I see this in the lord of the rings trilogy as well. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that some of LZs music was inspired by Tolkien bc I see a lot of spiritual connection in Tolkien’s works. There are nuggets of truth everywhere. It is because we were made by a Creator with incredible skill at weaving together complexities that point at eternal truths in such a way that it feels like coincidence. Except it isn’t coincidence. Our core being reveals these intricacies like clues (usually unknowingly or with limited knowledge) and they come out in our art, whether it’s painting, music, the written word, a gifted counselor.... anywhere and anyone. Or I could be a romanticist. Haha.

[abijah]

yeah they are likely my favourite band. i love classic rock. i think john’s half-hour of silence refers to a lack of great music!

i guess its been in my mind more so lately. stairway to heaven has always been my favourite song, but its only been the last few weeks that i’ve received revelation which shows me why. zeppelin’s ladder indeed

Oooh! Me too! If you feel like sharing that in a PM, I’d love to read it, I’d youre comfortable, of course.

Immigrant song was fun in Thor 3. I've been into GNR myself lately. What's this thread about again?


Oh yeah - the moon looks beautiful in AZ - though no red tinge like in some places that may be sinking into the Ocean ... just sayin'

Lol yeah I loved hearing immigrant song in Thor. Also love GNR.

I love songs with little quips of eternal truth in them. I think Abijah and I were connecting on our mutual observance that stairway to heaven is special on a spiritual plane. Or maybe I’m wrong! Ha! We ended up there bc I believe something said in this thread got him thinking about something revealed to him about the song. Zeppelins jubilee year... but what his exact thoughts are, I am unsure.

Just a little aside: I have a great love for LZ bc I see a lot of spiritual connection in their music. I see this in the lord of the rings trilogy as well. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that some of LZs music was inspired by Tolkien bc I see a lot of spiritual connection in Tolkien’s works. There are nuggets of truth everywhere. It is because we were made by a Creator with incredible skill at weaving together complexities that point at eternal truths in such a way that it feels like coincidence. Except it isn’t coincidence. Our core being reveals these intricacies like clues (usually unknowingly or with limited knowledge) and they come out in our art, whether it’s painting, music, the written word, a gifted counselor.... anywhere and anyone. Or I could be a romanticist. Haha.

tomorrow is my day off and i can offer a more full rendering of my thoughts

i know led zeppelin, in their lyrics and musical composition are inspired. and heavily influenced by lord of the rings! before it was even popular

yeah i know lord of the rings is also inspired. c.s. lewis, tolkien’s close friend, too.

if one has the eyes to see and ears to hear then the truth is so obvious wherever you view it

as he says, after “they have [stood] long”, the new day will dawn and “the forests will echo with laughter”

Isaiah 61

3...that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be glorified.

is it any coincidence the devil has attacked, this of all songs, even with his own tainted reputation? doubt it

zion has stood long, and she will be planted in righteousness, for the glorifying of the Lord

GNR also. slash said his guitar style is a “direct line” from jimmy page. interesting wording. and rose obviously is imitating plant, in considerable success too.

maybe ill also have time for that tomorrow too

[Alaris]

yeah they are likely my favourite band. i love classic rock. i think john’s half-hour of silence refers to a lack of great music!

i guess its been in my mind more so lately. stairway to heaven has always been my favourite song, but its only been the last few weeks that i’ve received revelation which shows me why. zeppelin’s ladder indeed

Oooh! Me too! If you feel like sharing that in a PM, I’d love to read it, I’d youre comfortable, of course.

Immigrant song was fun in Thor 3. I've been into GNR myself lately. What's this thread about again?


Oh yeah - the moon looks beautiful in AZ - though no red tinge like in some places that may be sinking into the Ocean ... just sayin'

Lol yeah I loved hearing immigrant song in Thor. Also love GNR.

I love songs with little quips of eternal truth in them. I think Abijah and I were connecting on our mutual observance that stairway to heaven is special on a spiritual plane. Or maybe I’m wrong! Ha! We ended up there bc I believe something said in this thread got him thinking about something revealed to him about the song. Zeppelins jubilee year... but what his exact thoughts are, I am unsure.

Just a little aside: I have a great love for LZ bc I see a lot of spiritual connection in their music. I see this in the lord of the rings trilogy as well. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that some of LZs music was inspired by Tolkien bc I see a lot of spiritual connection in Tolkien’s works. There are nuggets of truth everywhere. It is because we were made by a Creator with incredible skill at weaving together complexities that point at eternal truths in such a way that it feels like coincidence. Except it isn’t coincidence. Our core being reveals these intricacies like clues (usually unknowingly or with limited knowledge) and they come out in our art, whether it’s painting, music, the written word, a gifted counselor.... anywhere and anyone. Or I could be a romanticist. Haha.

What a coincidence - Durzan and I were just talking the other day about the nuggets of truth in fiction. I've found the spirit flooring me lately at odd times while watching movies for example. In fact, as ridiculous as this sound there was a scene in Thor Ragnarok that brought me to tears.

OK, maybe this should have been a PM.

I cried a little when Gandalf rode his horse out to save Faramir as well ...

[GrandMasterB]

I personally don't believe these localized blood moons have anything to do with what we have in scripture.

Note that in scripture the blood moon is not an isolated sign, it is always accompanied with the sun being darkened and stars falling.

Also, I think when the real deal comes along the sign will be viewable worldwide....

What he said...

[abijah]

I personally don't believe these localized blood moons have anything to do with what we have in scripture.

Note that in scripture the blood moon is not an isolated sign, it is always accompanied with the sun being darkened and stars falling.

Also, I think when the real deal comes along the sign will be viewable worldwide....

What he said...

i agree that those who seek “signs” which conform to their own desires and are not in harmony with the spirit of god are fruitless and therefore false

but those of the other side, go ahead and wait safely behind their safety-net of doctrine.

but i KNOW god’s signs of His prior times and of future.

blue violet and scarlet.

scarlet being the ultimate red. the first and last of the colour spectrum

״adam” means “red”.

“adam” means “blood”.

i don’t care what any pharisee-lds thinks. i know what i felt

[Red]

Oooh! Me too! If you feel like sharing that in a PM, I’d love to read it, I’d youre comfortable, of course.

Immigrant song was fun in Thor 3. I've been into GNR myself lately. What's this thread about again?


Oh yeah - the moon looks beautiful in AZ - though no red tinge like in some places that may be sinking into the Ocean ... just sayin'

Lol yeah I loved hearing immigrant song in Thor. Also love GNR.

I love songs with little quips of eternal truth in them. I think Abijah and I were connecting on our mutual observance that stairway to heaven is special on a spiritual plane. Or maybe I’m wrong! Ha! We ended up there bc I believe something said in this thread got him thinking about something revealed to him about the song. Zeppelins jubilee year... but what his exact thoughts are, I am unsure.

Just a little aside: I have a great love for LZ bc I see a lot of spiritual connection in their music. I see this in the lord of the rings trilogy as well. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that some of LZs music was inspired by Tolkien bc I see a lot of spiritual connection in Tolkien’s works. There are nuggets of truth everywhere. It is because we were made by a Creator with incredible skill at weaving together complexities that point at eternal truths in such a way that it feels like coincidence. Except it isn’t coincidence. Our core being reveals these intricacies like clues (usually unknowingly or with limited knowledge) and they come out in our art, whether it’s painting, music, the written word, a gifted counselor.... anywhere and anyone. Or I could be a romanticist. Haha.

What a coincidence - Durzan and I were just talking the other day about the nuggets of truth in fiction. I've found the spirit flooring me lately at odd times while watching movies for example. In fact, as ridiculous as this sound there was a scene in Thor Ragnarok that brought me to tears.

OK, maybe this should have been a PM.

I cried a little when Gandalf rode his horse out to save Faramir as well ...

Which scene?

I can usually just hear the music and feel my chest swell til it wants to explode. It’s so funny bc I made a comment to my husband the other day when LOTR was on about how LOTR is so symbolic. Then I gave him the example of Gandalf being a Christ figure. So then he teased me the whole way through asking me who everyone represented. My fave was Gollum/Sméagol. I told him that represents our inner selves, a constant battle of choosing right or wrong and who we become when we make those choices. He decided to stop teasing me.

[brianj]

I really wish people would stop labeling every single lunar eclipse a "blood moon."

On average, there are 154 umbral lunar eclipses per century and another 84 penumbral eclipses. That means there have been 3,080 full lunar eclipses and another 1,680 eclipses where the moon didn't fully enter the umbra for a total of 4,760 lunar eclipses in the last 2,000 years. Do any of you think every single one of these eclipses was a sign that the Second Coming is just a few months away?

If any of you have something from scripture or modern revelation through a recognized and sustained Apostle to suggest that when John wrote of the moon turning to blood he meant another run of the mill lunar eclipse, I would appreciate the reference.

Id really appreciate it if you'd Google the term that is upheld universally due to the red appearance of a total lunar eclipse, and unless you have something specific from an apostle or prophet saying this isn't a sign perhaps you can let those who are following the Lords direction to look for signs of His coming without discouraging such as you've done now multiple times.

I can post scriptures that both demonstrate we should look to the signs of heaven and should in fact not engage in a spirit that would discourage such behavior. This is lds freedom forum where folks are welcome to discuss their beliefs freely without being shamed or flamed for their beliefs. Imagine how many more folks works discuss their beliefs if they didn't know posts such as these were inevitable.

If I go to Google I will also find figurative is a valid definition for literal. If literal means figurative, what word identifies the opposite of figurative?

If every single lunar eclipse in the history of the planet is a blood moon, then why does anybody think there is any significance to lunar eclipses?

[Alaris]

I really wish people would stop labeling every single lunar eclipse a "blood moon."

On average, there are 154 umbral lunar eclipses per century and another 84 penumbral eclipses. That means there have been 3,080 full lunar eclipses and another 1,680 eclipses where the moon didn't fully enter the umbra for a total of 4,760 lunar eclipses in the last 2,000 years. Do any of you think every single one of these eclipses was a sign that the Second Coming is just a few months away?

If any of you have something from scripture or modern revelation through a recognized and sustained Apostle to suggest that when John wrote of the moon turning to blood he meant another run of the mill lunar eclipse, I would appreciate the reference.

Id really appreciate it if you'd Google the term that is upheld universally due to the red appearance of a total lunar eclipse, and unless you have something specific from an apostle or prophet saying this isn't a sign perhaps you can let those who are following the Lords direction to look for signs of His coming without discouraging such as you've done now multiple times.

I can post scriptures that both demonstrate we should look to the signs of heaven and should in fact not engage in a spirit that would discourage such behavior. This is lds freedom forum where folks are welcome to discuss their beliefs freely without being shamed or flamed for their beliefs. Imagine how many more folks works discuss their beliefs if they didn't know posts such as these were inevitable.

If I go to Google I will also find figurative is a valid definition for literal. If literal means figurative, what word identifies the opposite of figurative?

If every single lunar eclipse in the history of the planet is a blood moon, then why does anybody think there is any significance to lunar eclipses?

Conversely if one thinks none of them could be significant one will never look closer and see the pattern. The 4 blood moons of 2014-2015 all fell on two of the holiest of Israel's holy days - the Feasts of Tabernacles and Passover. You think that's insignificant? Fine. I do not.

The 2014 blood moon on Passover coincidentally happened on the 2nd day of Passover - the day that is used to calculate the 50 days of Pentecost or Shavuot

You think the celestial alignment on 9/23 that included 40 weeks of Jupiter inside the torso of Virgo, a Solar Eclipse that was 40 days prior that drew a line across ZION to be followed by another 7 years later creating a nice X near the midpoint of ZION - and 9/23 happened to fall on Rosh Hashannah which means "Day of Shouting or Blasting" to accompany the Jewish New Year - that there was many earthly storms and fires and earthquakes during that 40 day period between 8/21 and 9/23 including seven solar flares in seven days during a solar minimum. I'm having difficulty remembering all the coincidences off the top of my head. Oh yeah ...

9/23 was also on Shabat Shuvah which means "The Sabbath of Return"

Yom Kippur - the holiest of Israel's holy days occurred 7 days later.

9/23 just also happened to coincidentally be the day the Jubilee year - the 50th year (there's that number again we associate with the Holy Ghost ... hrm....)

Jubilee also means "a trumpet-blast of liberty" - There's yet another incident of this trumpet motif. hrm....I mean God said Jubilee years were important, but certainly they no longer matter, right? I'm sure what happens in the Jubilee year is insignificant right?

Leviticus 25:8 ¶ And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.
9 Then shalt thou acause the trumpet of the jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.
10 And ye shall ahallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim bliberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubilee unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his cfamily.

Wow, there's that word "return" again? Trumpets and returning ... I seem to recall offering my opinion this all signaling a "sign" that the time of the gentiles was coming to a close gathering of Israel would soon begin. After being mocked and persecuted for stating this, wow President Nelson sure seems to be talking a lot about the Gathering of Israel - oh and the Holy Ghost. I'm sure that's all more coincidence. I'm still waiting to see any apologies in my inbox.

So a blood moon occurs in the middle of the Jubilee year ... and it happens to be the longest blood moon of the century ... and already let's discard it without a second thought? A closer look shows that almost the entire world will see it except the continent of New Jerusalem and a few north countries, including a large area in Siberia that just experienced 3 hours of unexplained total darkness during the day ... exactly 7 days prior to the eclipse. Oh, and Sister Nelson very recently spoke of how she saw all 12 tribes represented in Russia. Nothing to see here folks!

I bet there's a lot more to these signs I don't see or haven't seen yet. But those who harden their hearts will see absolutely nothing.

You think God isn't a mathematician and uses his heavens to signal the signs of the times? Great. I do. So perhaps you can stop haranguing folks for discussing what these signs may mean. I submit to you folks who browbeat other folks for talking about blood moons is an internal reflection of their own insecurity of these times approaching. (Perhaps a self-inventory is in order with the Lord) The method is as wrong as deed - even if these blood moons end up meaning nothing. So what? So we who believe get ourselves a little more ready? And this harassment will be justified? Nope. In either case it's wrong.

And, please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop with these ridiculous straw men attacks that people are saying the second coming is weeks away. Literally nobody is saying that. These are signs that come before ... before How long before? We can only speculate ... well maybe as long as we don't get shamed into silence by those who feel it's appropriate to mock and flame the believer.


The era in which we live is the fulness of times spoken of in the scriptures, when God has brought together all of the elements of previous dispensations. From the day that He and His Beloved Son manifested themselves to the boy Joseph, there has been a tremendous cascade of enlightenment poured out upon the world. The hearts of men have turned to their fathers in fulfillment of the words of Malachi. The vision of Joel has been fulfilled wherein he declared:

“And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

“And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

“And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

“The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the Lord come.

“And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call” (Joel 2:28–32). ~ Gordon B. Hinckley 10/2001 Conference

Now if you take that to mean there are no longer signs in the heavens that include the moon, great. I don't. Conversely, this was spoken in 2001, so if anything, this just means we are approaching ever nearer.

D&C 39:23 And again, it shall come to pass that on as many as ye shall baptize with water, ye shall lay your hands, and they shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, and shall be looking forth for the signs of my coming, and shall know me.

I submit to you that those who publish an attitude of mocking, flaming, persecuting, or any manner of dissuading those who are looking to the heavens for the signs are in danger of condemnation. You can know "with a perfect knowledge, as the daylight is from the dark night" that this attitude is antichrist. Whether these interpretations are correct or incorrect, this behavior shames and discourages even discussing these signs or looking, which is absolutely contrary to the Lord's command.

“He that believeth shall be blest with signs following, even as it is written. And unto you it shall be given to know the signs of the times, and the signs of the coming of the Son of Man” (Doctrine & Covenants 68:10–11); “And it shall come to pass that he that feareth me shall be looking forth for the great day of the Lord to come, even for the signs of the coming of the Son of Man. And they shall see signs and wonders, for they shall be shown forth in the heavens above, and in the earth beneath” (Doctrine & Covenants 45:39–40).

Notice how the Lord says it SHALL be given to know the signs, and notice how only those looking will see. Conversely:

Alma 12:10 And therefore, he that will harden his heart, the same receiveth the lesser portion of the word; and he that will not harden his heart, to him is given the greater portion of the word, until it is given unto him to know the mysteries of God until he know them in full.
11 And they that will harden their hearts, to them is given the lesser portion of the word until they know nothing concerning his mysteries; and then they are taken captive by the devil, and led by his will down to destruction. Now this is what is meant by the chains of hell.

Once those chains are wrapped around tightly, the subject is no longer the only one behind the wheel and the devil will be yanking on that wheel to mock those looking at the signs according to His command.

Edit: Hrm... as I'm pondering this more I realize that a solar (celestial) eclipse starts and ends on the coasts of ZION on 8/21 and about a year later a lunar (terrestrial) eclipse is shown to the rest of the world.

[Alaris]

Immigrant song was fun in Thor 3. I've been into GNR myself lately. What's this thread about again?


Oh yeah - the moon looks beautiful in AZ - though no red tinge like in some places that may be sinking into the Ocean ... just sayin'

Lol yeah I loved hearing immigrant song in Thor. Also love GNR.

I love songs with little quips of eternal truth in them. I think Abijah and I were connecting on our mutual observance that stairway to heaven is special on a spiritual plane. Or maybe I’m wrong! Ha! We ended up there bc I believe something said in this thread got him thinking about something revealed to him about the song. Zeppelins jubilee year... but what his exact thoughts are, I am unsure.

Just a little aside: I have a great love for LZ bc I see a lot of spiritual connection in their music. I see this in the lord of the rings trilogy as well. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that some of LZs music was inspired by Tolkien bc I see a lot of spiritual connection in Tolkien’s works. There are nuggets of truth everywhere. It is because we were made by a Creator with incredible skill at weaving together complexities that point at eternal truths in such a way that it feels like coincidence. Except it isn’t coincidence. Our core being reveals these intricacies like clues (usually unknowingly or with limited knowledge) and they come out in our art, whether it’s painting, music, the written word, a gifted counselor.... anywhere and anyone. Or I could be a romanticist. Haha.

What a coincidence - Durzan and I were just talking the other day about the nuggets of truth in fiction. I've found the spirit flooring me lately at odd times while watching movies for example. In fact, as ridiculous as this sound there was a scene in Thor Ragnarok that brought me to tears.

OK, maybe this should have been a PM.

I cried a little when Gandalf rode his horse out to save Faramir as well ...

Which scene?

I can usually just hear the music and feel my chest swell til it wants to explode. It’s so funny bc I made a comment to my husband the other day when LOTR was on about how LOTR is so symbolic. Then I gave him the example of Gandalf being a Christ figure. So then he teased me the whole way through asking me who everyone represented. My fave was Gollum/Sméagol. I told him that represents our inner selves, a constant battle of choosing right or wrong and who we become when we make those choices. He decided to stop teasing me.

Well I'm really having to shift gears to answer this after my last reply. *ahem*

So in Return of the King, Faramir is sent out to those ruins on a suicide mission by his crazy father. He and the survivors are riding back to the white city and the ringwraiths are chasing them down from their flying beasts and picking them off one by one. Gandalf rides out and holds his staff up high and a bright white light shines out and chases them off. Makes me a bit emotional just writing about it -